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Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.07.13 20:25:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson


Do you feel this CSM represents you and what's your top ten list? How hard would it be to find out what players want if CCP really wanted to know?


the more little annoyances that get fixed, the better. IMO, of course.

Lakuma
Posted - 2011.07.13 20:37:00 - [62]
 

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And who is seriously going to take time out of their day to sit back and read through all of CCPs pop up questions and checkboxes. What's more likely is that they will give you the option to skip till later and most people will end up not filling them out anyway. Just like most players did not bother to actually vote in the CSM elections. You run into the same wall of apathy. Except only this time it ends up eve worst because you don't even have representatives for CCP to call. You just have checkboxes that are so annoying people never fill them.


I am reluctant to use a more or less failed game as an example, but they employed this quite well - Aion.

Dialogue Boxes actually work very well for broad based voting. Will you get an exact answer on what ships need improvement and how? No of course not. You WOULD get an answer "GUESS WHAT 90% THINK BLACK OPS SUCH" or some such. Dialogue boxes are employed throughout development of features and their continued maintenance - CCP is notorious for smoke and mirrors on expansions, so this is where the polls fail.

But the fact is a simple dialogue box that can't be closed that pops up four times a month (if needed) with whatever question CCP needs answered - not the surveys they do via the newsletter, which obviously haven't had an incredible impact - would probably be helpful.

Of the Features Below, which do you wish was revisited?
-Faction Warfare
-Sovereignty
-Missions
-Other

This is a really simple question and it takes you 5 seconds to pick. Will your choice win? Maybe, not the point - it's a VOTE. Other is there to indicate that there are players (maybe a majority?) that don't care about those mechanics or think they are fine. What this question tells you is that X number of accounts think Faction Warfare needs to be revisited. You don't get flak on how, just that it needs doing.

There are thousands of threads with different ideas...and very few have large player support, which really doesn't help devs at all. Where CCP screws up is seeing POS MISERY and not working on POSs - screw what the players think, none of them can agree but that POSs need changing. You almost wish the Assembly Hall didn't HAVE discussions - just the OP's text and thumbs up or down! This is where polling is at its best - it's not designed for discussion, just straightforward answers on what people want - not how they want it. Discussion follows afterwards.

Scoto Timta
EveMerc's
Posted - 2011.07.13 21:00:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: ChromeStriker
The CSM is allot more informed than the rest of us, they know things we dont, surprise surprise if they make decision that seem odd to us.

And on some topics they are LESS informed than we are, and make ludicrous suggestions because of that ignorance. Case in point, page 29 of the minutes just released....
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Based on comments by CCP Greyscale in a previous session, the subject of removing "ABC" minerals from wormholes was raised by nullsec-resident CSMs, who were surprised to learn that WH space was nullsec and that ABC minerals were available in them. ... An argument was made by some CSMs that the prices of ABC ores and refined products were being crashed by "daytrippers" mining in easily-accessible wormhole space.

That said, I do think the CSM has value. Members just need to be sure that they actually have a clue before spouting nonsense like their argument about "daytrippers". Like the old saying, "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

Malachor Jankor
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.07.13 21:33:00 - [64]
 

Every time I see a thread *****ing about the CSM I know it was made by some whiney little butthurt baby that didn't get elected and really wants to go to Iceland.

Demon Azrakel
Gallente
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.07.13 21:40:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Demon Azrakel on 13/07/2011 21:51:01
Originally by: Khamelean

*Snip*
I'm interested in your opinion on how plex ad nex differ relative to game mechanics and economy?.
*snip*



You did not ask for my opinion in particular, but I will give it.

In the Pre-NeX Era (PNE), CCP only ever provided one service to us players: they ran and developed the game and kept it more-or-less playable.

PLEX for gametime:
CCP: Receives $$$, Gives Gametime, does not care who they give it to (in this case, player B).
Player A: Gives CCP $$$, Receives ISK
Player B: Gives Player A ISK, Receives Gametime

Now, in the NeX Era (NE):

The Above situation as normal

and...

PLEX for NeX:
CCP: Recieves $$$, Gives Barbie Clothes
Player A: Gives CCP $$$, Receives Barbie Clothes
Player B: Why did my PLEX prices go up? (this assumes that CCP actually prices stuff so it will be bought...)

Now, weak as it is, Barbie Clothes are the only content added in this patch (before you mention Captain's Closet, CCP should pay us to have to use it or watch the door). Aside from screwing Player B, someone has to pay extra real money beyond their subscription for someone to access the content of a supposedly free expansion. To say it again if no one redeemed a plex (and someone did have to pay for that) for Aur and NeX goods, none of the **** poor Incarna content would be in the game. This is what ****es me off, Zinfandel, CCP claiming to introduce free expansions (after subscription) every six months when the only actual content (which CCP had to pay to develop, instead of directing resources at working on the **** the playerbase wants) has to be paid for with additional real world money. Better to not release an expansion than "add" that.

EDIT: Added

Originally by: Khamelean


I was simply answering your question.

Vanity items can be traded on the in-game market
How do vanity items compete with the regular market?
They are destructible, if you put them in your hanger, just like anything else.




And yet, unlike other implants, if you put them in your head or on your body, they somehow do not go away when you explode (Implants, after all, are also not left in your cargo, unless you are moving them to Jita or doinitrong.

Players cannot create these items without going to the NeX store, so I honestly don't see how they compete with the player's market. This is, however, a part of the problem; it does compete with gametime. CCP is offering access to ingame content (****-poor content at that) for real world money, so it may not be pay-to-win, but it certainly is pay (extra) to access.

Cashcow Golden Goose
Posted - 2011.07.13 22:26:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins
Originally by: Cashcow Golden Goose

They're not my voice. This is my voice.
The CSM were not summoned to Iceland to find out what CCP could fix. CCP did not change their position on any matters after that visit. The CSM was summoned to placate the forums with additional platitudes and truthlessness. It worked.

The CSM were not summoned to Iceland to be the voice of the customers, the customers were already using their voices long before the CSM were summoned.

They will never be my voice, not while I have a voice, legs and arms. CCP's newcastle office is less than 15 minutes away from me, when I want them to hear me, they will hear me. Just like Royal Mail hear me when I want them to hear me, why TV licensing hear me when I want them to hear me, and every other private company that believes it can cross lines I have no intention of allowing them to cross with me.

The CSM is for weak individuals who need somebody else to speak for them, to speak to them in soft placating tones, a spoonful of sugar to help the medicine go down. To me they are but a cost I'm ok with paying because of the delicious entertainment they bring to the forum with their sense of entitlement, sense of empowerment and ultimate lapdog or poodle status with CCP. It's entertainment to watch them, it's entertainment to watch those that defend them and those that attack them.

When I get home from work, I get to play Eve as well. For 50 cents a day, it's damm good value for money product.


Because mob rule is always a better option than representative democracy. Rolling Eyes

Call me when we start lynching minorities and immigrants. Wink


I don't care what the mob do, they're not my voice either.

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2011.07.13 22:51:00 - [67]
 

Except for Trebor, Seleene, Meissa and maybe UAX, the rest of the CSM are in it so that their coalition can benefit and they can make sure they can RMT freely, Mittani, Vile Rat, White Tree have openly said many times that their only goal as CSM is to prevent CCP from changing the game which will result in RMT losses for them or affect their NAP train.

Ironically when Mittani was openly saying this at fanfest, being all smug assuming he could do what he wants, CCP the next day announced a change that resulted in more than 95% of all bots becoming inefficient, this resulted in NCs demise.

Fortunately CCP only listen to the CSM that actually have a clue, lucky for us none of those CSM have been part of NC

In fact according to the minutes and open information I dont even think CCP have once done what Mittani or his flying monkeys have said, if anything Trebor / Seleene / Meissa seem to have ALL the influence over CCP.

Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.16 18:22:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Kalle Demos
In fact according to the minutes and open information I dont even think CCP have once done what Mittani or his flying monkeys have said, if anything Trebor / Seleene / Meissa seem to have ALL the influence over CCP.

Alex is a goon spy.

Touborg is a goon spy.

Touborg has said:

"I’ve started using the CSM quite a lot. They’re the first line of sanity check we do, so whenever we make a large change, that’s been run by the CSM. The original design/thoughts are put on the CSM forum, they give us feedback, and we make changes to the design and then implement it. You shouldn’t underestimate just how important they have become to the process. We’re doing 0.0 development work right now, and they’ve been shown most of the stuff we’ve come up with, pretty much straight away. It’s a bit strange at first, to have work reviewed like that, but once you get used to it the feedback is invaluable."

But you think Alex has no/negligible influence with his old buddy, Kris?

Prince Kobol
Posted - 2011.07.16 18:25:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Kalle Demos
Except for Trebor, Seleene, Meissa and maybe UAX, the rest of the CSM are in it so that their coalition can benefit and they can make sure they can RMT freely, Mittani, Vile Rat, White Tree have openly said many times that their only goal as CSM is to prevent CCP from changing the game which will result in RMT losses for them or affect their NAP train.

Ironically when Mittani was openly saying this at fanfest, being all smug assuming he could do what he wants, CCP the next day announced a change that resulted in more than 95% of all bots becoming inefficient, this resulted in NCs demise.

Fortunately CCP only listen to the CSM that actually have a clue, lucky for us none of those CSM have been part of NC

In fact according to the minutes and open information I dont even think CCP have once done what Mittani or his flying monkeys have said, if anything Trebor / Seleene / Meissa seem to have ALL the influence over CCP.


Can you provide any direct quotes where you claim that members of the CSM have openly said they there aim is to prevent CCP from changing the game which will result in RMT losses for them or affect their NAP train?

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.23 02:02:00 - [70]
 

Also from the May Summit Minutes(as mentioned by this guy):

"Next, the Incarna store (now called the Noble Exchange) and Aurum were presented to the CSM...The consensus appeared to be that it would be a welcomed addition."

I'm not getting the sense that this CSM knows what's important to the players.

Uearel Atram
Posted - 2011.07.23 02:05:00 - [71]
 

CSM. They were voted by US. Getting input from tens of thousands of EVE players would be impractical.

Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.23 02:39:00 - [72]
 

The current CSM is the best one yet. The Mittani should be Chairman For Life.

Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.07.23 02:42:00 - [73]
 

Posting in another Ferguson thread, still asking for your stuff. Please let me know when i'll be getting those contracts. TY TY

Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.25 00:17:00 - [74]
 

The latest pearls of wisdom from Alex, the CSM chair:

"hi i can't say this on eveo but you're a pathetic aspie and people like you make me wonder why i put up with this game (perhaps it is to hurt people like you?) - when i say you are pathetic i mean that i actually feel some vague pity for you and your sad life and your hyperlinked posts to idiotic arguments you think matter in some way

i've kind of overdone 'kill yourself' so let's back it off a bit and say 'your life is poop, perhaps a bag or a ball or some other kind of dense accretion of poop'; failing that let's go for 'you are an unloveable person with few friends, consumed with delusions'

lol poop poop is a funny word~"

And CCP wonders why we don't have any confidence in them and their 'player-elected' PR meatshield?

GeoBlue
Posted - 2011.07.25 02:19:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Ladie Scarlet
The current CSM is the best one yet. The Mittani should be Chairman For Life.




God I hate goons, bunch of rejects!!!

Zirise
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.07.25 02:44:00 - [76]
 

This is the best CSM yet.

The highest percentage of interested players voted for this current CSM. Nothing was stopping the thousands of pubbies in empire from voting against them, except lack of interest.

Now, because you failed to organize yourselves, you think the rest of the forums need to listen to you and your four alts spam the same crap over and over about your lack of voice.

Get the **** outside man, its summer.

Important Person
Posted - 2011.07.25 02:46:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson
The latest pearls of wisdom from Alex, the CSM chair:

"hi i can't say this on eveo but you're a pathetic aspie and people like you make me wonder why i put up with this game (perhaps it is to hurt people like you?) - when i say you are pathetic i mean that i actually feel some vague pity for you and your sad life and your hyperlinked posts to idiotic arguments you think matter in some way

i've kind of overdone 'kill yourself' so let's back it off a bit and say 'your life is poop, perhaps a bag or a ball or some other kind of dense accretion of poop'; failing that let's go for 'you are an unloveable person with few friends, consumed with delusions'

lol poop poop is a funny word~"

And CCP wonders why we don't have any confidence in them and their 'player-elected' PR meatshield?


The truth hurts?

Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.07.25 02:48:00 - [78]
 

Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 25/07/2011 02:55:00
Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 25/07/2011 02:49:08
Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson
The latest pearls of wisdom from Alex, the CSM chair:

"hi i can't say this on eveo but you're a pathetic aspie and people like you make me wonder why i put up with this game (perhaps it is to hurt people like you?) - when i say you are pathetic i mean that i actually feel some vague pity for you and your sad life and your hyperlinked posts to idiotic arguments you think matter in some way

i've kind of overdone 'kill yourself' so let's back it off a bit and say 'your life is poop, perhaps a bag or a ball or some other kind of dense accretion of poop'; failing that let's go for 'you are an unloveable person with few friends, consumed with delusions'

lol poop poop is a funny word~"

And CCP wonders why we don't have any confidence in them and their 'player-elected' PR meatshield?


If THIS is the position of our CSM...


I say elect them to another term. Turd ferguson, i'm still waiting on your stuff~~!

Ed: Yeah poop is much more amusing, thought-provoking, and exciting than your posting.

Ed2: Take that solid fail-heap response to heart and end it (your posting).

Takashi Kaeda
Posted - 2011.07.25 03:35:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson
The latest pearls of wisdom from Alex, the CSM chair:

"hi i can't say this on eveo but you're a pathetic aspie and people like you make me wonder why i put up with this game (perhaps it is to hurt people like you?) - when i say you are pathetic i mean that i actually feel some vague pity for you and your sad life and your hyperlinked posts to idiotic arguments you think matter in some way

i've kind of overdone 'kill yourself' so let's back it off a bit and say 'your life is poop, perhaps a bag or a ball or some other kind of dense accretion of poop'; failing that let's go for 'you are an unloveable person with few friends, consumed with delusions'

lol poop poop is a funny word~"

And CCP wonders why we don't have any confidence in them and their 'player-elected' PR meatshield?


You are literally so stupid that I find myself waiting for your next post with eager anticipation.

Your argument is essentially thus:

"THE CSM DOESN'T REPRESENT ME, THIS IS NOT FAIRRRRR"

Grow up. The CSM represents the people who bothered to vote.


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