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Captain's Courageous
Posted - 2011.07.13 03:09:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Captain''s Courageous on 13/07/2011 03:37:20
Recently, the CSM has, in a publicized article, implied that the gamers who quit in protest over the recent micro-transactions controversy were as irrelevant as the Tea Party. First, that's insulting and degrading to gamers who have spent years paying for the privilege of playing EVE, and second, the implication is wrong. Over 1/4th of Americans identify themselves with the Tea Party, and the Tea Party have currently usurped the issue positions of the GOP. I believe that this level of unprofessionalism and ignorance speaks volumes about the integrity of the CSM, and must therefore request that a motion for a vote of no confidence be filed.

Signed,

Matthew L.

Original quote: "They are always going to be there. It is not relevant on any level, in any democratic process what the lunatic fringe thinks. Just look at, in America, the Tea Party, the John Birch Society, or what have you. Any of these isolated movements, on the fringes, they are very loud, but they donít actually impact sh*t. So, thatís pretty much my view of that.Ē

- http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/14/feature/5382/page/2

Edit: I am not supporting or defending the Tea Party. I am objecting to the CSM's statement of comparison.

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.07.13 03:11:00 - [2]
 

/signed.

I guess thats what happens when Goons are voted in.

I Love Boobies
Amarr
All Hail Boobies
Posted - 2011.07.13 03:12:00 - [3]
 

Total non-issue and you're going to be laughed at because you're bringing politics into the game, so don't get upset if you get trolled quite a bit, especially over a quote like this.

Wangston Hughes
Posted - 2011.07.13 03:14:00 - [4]
 

lol

Clavian Voi
Posted - 2011.07.13 03:18:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Clavian Voi on 13/07/2011 03:18:28
Originally by: I Love Boobies
Total non-issue and you're going to be laughed at because you're bringing politics into the game, so don't get upset if you get trolled quite a bit, especially over a quote like this.


No, actually the OP was responding to The Mittani bringing his politics into the game. In all fairness, it seems reasonable to comment on CSM members making idiotic statements supposedly on our behalf.

CSM chairman commenting on how irrelevant the players are? The irony is strong with this one.

mkint
Posted - 2011.07.13 03:20:00 - [6]
 

Who cares about confidence in the CSM? It's CCP I have no confidence in. When (not if) CCP fails, nothing the CSM does will be able to save them.

Also, the only thing relevant about the TP (toilet paper party?) is what their existence implies about the state of America. Their philosophies and policies are just Republicans in khaki's, nothing revolutionary or even interesting. Bringing them up as an argument as to why CCP and the CSM are incompetent is an absolute failure of an argument.

I Love Boobies
Amarr
All Hail Boobies
Posted - 2011.07.13 03:21:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: I Love Boobies on 13/07/2011 03:23:34
Originally by: Clavian Voi
Edited by: Clavian Voi on 13/07/2011 03:18:28
Originally by: I Love Boobies
Total non-issue and you're going to be laughed at because you're bringing politics into the game, so don't get upset if you get trolled quite a bit, especially over a quote like this.


No, actually the OP was responding to The Mittani bringing his politics into the game. In all fairness, it seems reasonable to comment on CSM members making idiotic statements supposedly on our behalf.

CSM chairman commenting on how irrelevant the players are? The irony is strong with this one.


Perhaps, but he is still gonna get trolled big time for it, especially from the Euro players since the OP seems more concerned about the Tea Party reference than being called irrelevant. Wink

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.07.13 03:23:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: mkint
Who cares about confidence in the CSM? It's CCP I have no confidence in. When (not if) CCP fails, nothing the CSM does will be able to save them.

Also, the only thing relevant about the TP (toilet paper party?) is what their existence implies about the state of America. Their philosophies and policies are just Republicans in khaki's, nothing revolutionary or even interesting. Bringing them up as an argument as to why CCP and the CSM are incompetent is an absolute failure of an argument.


Since the CSM is suppose to be a bridge between CCP and the players, what is the point of that bridge being just one way?

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.07.13 03:30:00 - [9]
 

OP,

Try reading the ENTIRE article, you ****ing moron, he was speaking directly to you. I've cancelled my sub, and I have considered hanging out till the time runs out, but douche bags like you make it hard to give a **** about the community at all.

As for the rest of it? Well, ďThe MittaniĒ doesnít mince words:

ďOn EVE-O and other forums there are a minority of people who are whiny little babies. This is politics. The CSM is a political entity; this means that after any situation you are always going to have a minority of loud people who are saying that anything EVE accomplished is bull**** and that itís all just window dressing and herf-derf.
OH AFTER THE CSM MEETING, maybe NOT AT ALL WHAT YOU SAID. You ****ing douche bag.


"I spend a lot of time on Failheap Challenge, which is a forum for primarily the most bitter of that long tail of bitter players. I donít really give a *snip* what they say. In fact, if you look at any of my posts in dealing with them, I actively go out of my way to antagonize them because Iím a cruel person and I enjoy making people like that angry, and from a political perspective itís also good to marginalize them.

"They are always going to be there. It is not relevant on any level, in any democratic process what the lunatic fringe thinks. Just look at, in America, the Tea Party, the John Birch Society, or what have you. Any of these isolated movements, on the fringes, they are very loud, but they donít actually impact *snip*. So, thatís pretty much my view of that.Ē

Please do not evade the profanity filter. Spitfire

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2011.07.13 03:34:00 - [10]
 

Except the Tea Party is not as impotent as this guy would have you believe...

P42ALPHA
Gallente
Epidemic.
THE D0MINION
Posted - 2011.07.13 03:49:00 - [11]
 

LAWL, Mittani is what is best described. A royal Turd, and like any of those ppl on the CSM there internets are clearly to important to them for any company like CCP to really give a crap about.

But props to CCP for truly trolling the crap out of a few individuals. CSM = Hardest Core RP enviroment, ever given to a small group of ppl.

Any one that had any confidence in a Role Playing group to be taken serious by a company, should unlpug for a little bit.

What a joke.

Strecs Moliko
Posted - 2011.07.13 04:02:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Captain's Courageous
Vote of No Confidence in CSM


I think I saw this movie, she has two kids and dies in the end.

Trig Onami
Caldari
Onami Corporation
Posted - 2011.07.13 04:07:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Strecs Moliko
Originally by: Captain's Courageous
Vote of No Confidence in CSM


I think I saw this movie, she has two kids and dies in the end.



LOL!

Simetraz
Posted - 2011.07.13 04:17:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Captain's Courageous
"So, thatís pretty much my view of that.Ē


Quoting your Quote.

I see A CSM member expressing his/her PERSONAL opinion and guess what, CSM members have a right the their opinion just like you.


Important Person
Posted - 2011.07.13 04:19:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Important Person on 13/07/2011 04:23:08
CHANGE PLACES!

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Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.13 04:24:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Jonathan Ferguson on 13/07/2011 04:25:38
This CSM sucks. No real surprise there. CSM is a PR stunt by CCP and should be done away with. CSM V tried to make it more than that and got put in their place.

Mittens is a drunken clown who doesn't even play the game. The rest of them are sycophants. All they do is protect CCP from the full force of customer outrage/unsubscriptions by letting CCP pretend that they listen to their customers. And act as meatshields.

The whole CSM had read Fearless weeks ahead of its public release and none of them were concerned about it. They chalk up the protests to a 'communications issue' (in other words, CCP needs to lie more convincingly.)

Anyway, complaining about them is a waste of time because they're more useless than anything else and there are bigger fish to fry. But it would be nice if the council were abolished or at least there were a formal way for the players to express the 'vote of no confidence' mentioned in the thread title.

Important Person
Posted - 2011.07.13 04:26:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson
way for the players to express the 'vote of non confidence' mentioned in the thread title.


You could always try playing a game you enjoy instead?

Valei Khurelem
Posted - 2011.07.13 04:28:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Valei Khurelem on 13/07/2011 04:28:03
Originally by: Important Person
Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson
way for the players to express the 'vote of non confidence' mentioned in the thread title.


You could always try playing a game you enjoy instead?


It's hard to when the game you enjoy is being taken apart piece by piece.

I got an Nvidia driver error just now when I tried to log in.

Digital Messiah
Gallente
N7 Corporation
PandaMonium.
Posted - 2011.07.13 04:33:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Digital Messiah on 13/07/2011 04:34:29
Lets see here... Hmm
Community suspects CCP of P2W... CSM's hear the community cry out for them. They then go to iceland, have a chatter with CCP. And it turns out there will be no P2W, just vanity items to help boost the income of an eight year long investment. "A wise choice for any company that has invested this long. To simply wish to increase revenue so they can continue making a game about flying spaceships."

Oh but wait, the CSM's came back. And in their opinions were ok with there being a system that in no way, shape, or form, effects combat, or game play.
1. fake money "Aurum" buys re-skin/useless doodad.
2. player is excited to look cool "in their opinion".
3. other player gets upset he doesn't look cool?
4. ?????
5. The community rages harder than losing a 6 year old account with 3 titan characters. "titans included"

The moment CCP introduces a p2w product, item, or anything, I will severely change my tune about this game. But you have ranted and raved, danced under the in game statue that can be respawned with a console command, and are now redirecting your blind hatred to others.

At what point did this community of players turn into whiney children, trolls, and ignoramuses?!

I have a pun actually, seeing as it is ever so popular.
I was there when EQ went down the toilet for EVE and SWG and finally WOW.
I was there when SWG decided to have "New Game Enhancements".
I was there when WOW decided to make you grind entire levels and armor sets just to play as you had before.
And I was there when Micro Transactions became popular in video games.

EVE online is not suffering from a new game enhancement, nor are they asking you to retrain drones - space ship command level 5, nor are they so drastically changing the game that you lose everything you worked for and have no choice or freedom to level as you like. And is not like every single other dungeons and dragons rip off you see today.

So stop whining, nothing has changed, you can still fight for sov, mine, grind level 4's, invent, explore, manufacture, and research. You just can't blow up monocles.

Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.13 04:36:00 - [20]
 

Speaking of CSM, I remember how big a deal dunderheads like Jayne and Jade (okay, mostly Jade) made out of the whole 'stakeholder' status horse****. Ooooh, they're STAKEHOLDERS now! Hurray!

My take (back in November) was a little different:

"I'm sure that CCP definitely DIDN'T come up with that name by trying to think of a word that sounds kind of significant but when translated to icelandic means 'one who can be ignored.' Good heavens, no!"

The ONE singular accomplishment of CSM V was preventing CCP from going forward with non-vanity MT (other than PLEX.) Turns out CCP didn't even want them to have that one accomplishment and were conspiring to introduce exactly what they'd promised not to.

Put the CSM out of its misery already.

Adrian Idaho
Posted - 2011.07.13 05:14:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Captain's Courageous
Edited by: Captain''s Courageous on 13/07/2011 03:37:20
Recently, the CSM has, in a publicized article, implied that the gamers who quit in protest over the recent micro-transactions controversy were as irrelevant as the Tea Party. First, that's insulting and degrading to gamers who have spent years paying for the privilege of playing EVE, and second, the implication is wrong. Over 1/4th of Americans identify themselves with the Tea Party, and the Tea Party have currently usurped the issue positions of the GOP. I believe that this level of unprofessionalism and ignorance speaks volumes about the integrity of the CSM, and must therefore request that a motion for a vote of no confidence be filed.

Signed,

Matthew L.

Original quote: "They are always going to be there. It is not relevant on any level, in any democratic process what the lunatic fringe thinks. Just look at, in America, the Tea Party, the John Birch Society, or what have you. Any of these isolated movements, on the fringes, they are very loud, but they donít actually impact sh*t. So, thatís pretty much my view of that.Ē

- http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/14/feature/5382/page/2

Edit: I am not supporting or defending the Tea Party. I am objecting to the CSM's statement of comparison.

Waaaahhhhh, somebody call the waaahhmbulance!
Show us on the doll where the evil Mittens hurt your little American feelings.

Cyprus Black
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2011.07.13 05:19:00 - [22]
 

Yeah, in regards to the No Confidence in CSMs, that ship has sailed long ago. I'm surprised it took you this long to come to that realization.

Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.13 05:29:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Jonathan Ferguson on 13/07/2011 08:35:17
Originally by: Cyprus Black
Yeah, in regards to the No Confidence in CSMs, that ship has sailed long ago. I'm surprised it took you this long to come to that realization.

I dunno. Until now it didn't seem like they were a net negative. (CSM V worked their asses off for the good of the game.) Now they clearly are (albeit a relatively insignificant one.)

They act as CCP damage control/meatshields. They get no tangible results (CCP's statement about microtransactions had been written BEFORE the summit even happened and wasn't changed.) They argue for changes that will benefit their alliances over the good of the game. Time to throw the bums out.

Nikayte Askiras
Posted - 2011.07.13 05:37:00 - [24]
 

wow...i offer a big fuk u to the CSM douche that said that.

Yoa Loother
Posted - 2011.07.13 05:48:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Yoa Loother on 13/07/2011 05:48:54
You guys are aware that threads like these only feed the Mittaniīs ego even more?

I donīt want to find out what happens when it grows so big that the event horizon breaches his skull, so stop feeding the troll and just enjoy the show:

An Italian in Iceland.

Mina Sulva'r
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.13 05:51:00 - [26]
 

If this body is not capable of action, I suggest new leadership is needed. I move for a Vote of No Confidence in Chancellor Valorum's leadership, or whatever that guys name was that kept talking over CCP Zulu in this video.

Eyup Mi'duck
Posted - 2011.07.13 07:00:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Captain's Courageous
Edited by: Captain''s Courageous on 13/07/2011 03:37:20
Recently, the CSM has, in a publicized article, implied that the gamers who quit in protest over the recent micro-transactions controversy were as irrelevant as the Tea Party. First, that's insulting and degrading to gamers who have spent years paying for the privilege of playing EVE, and second, the implication is wrong. Over 1/4th of Americans identify themselves with the Tea Party, and the Tea Party have currently usurped the issue positions of the GOP. I believe that this level of unprofessionalism and ignorance speaks volumes about the integrity of the CSM, and must therefore request that a motion for a vote of no confidence be filed.

Signed,

Matthew L.

Original quote: "They are always going to be there. It is not relevant on any level, in any democratic process what the lunatic fringe thinks. Just look at, in America, the Tea Party, the John Birch Society, or what have you. Any of these isolated movements, on the fringes, they are very loud, but they donít actually impact sh*t. So, thatís pretty much my view of that.Ē

- http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/14/feature/5382/page/2

Edit: I am not supporting or defending the Tea Party. I am objecting to the CSM's statement of comparison.


4/4ths of the non-American player base hasn't got a clue what you are on about? Rolling Eyes

Maddi5on
Posted - 2011.07.13 07:07:00 - [28]
 


Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.07.13 07:12:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 13/07/2011 07:29:42
Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson
Speaking of CSM, I remember how big a deal dunderheads like Jayne and Jade (okay, mostly Jade) made out of the whole 'stakeholder' status horse****. Ooooh, they're STAKEHOLDERS now! Hurray!

My take (back in November) was a little different:

"I'm sure that CCP definitely DIDN'T come up with that name by trying to think of a word that sounds kind of significant but when translated to icelandic means 'one who can be ignored.' Good heavens, no!"

The ONE singular accomplishment of CSM V was preventing CCP from going forward with non-vanity MT (other than PLEX.) Turns out CCP didn't even want them to have that one accomplishment and were conspiring to introduce exactly what they'd promised not to.

Put the CSM out of its misery already.

Instead you have people like The Mittani (or you) who have simply no idea how the term "stakeholder" is used in business management and go on a posting spree to "educate" the gullible masses with false information.

Employees are stakeholders, investors are stakeholders, banks are stakeholders, customers are stakeholders, suppliers are stakeholders, the government is a stakeholder, ...

Stakeholders are "those groups without whose support the organization would cease to exist".

CCP's announcement was that the CSM had now the position of a "stakeholder" in its SCRUM process. In a business sense the customers (and as their representative the CSM) have been stakeholders forever.

(mittens' line was "trololol, look at all these people who don't realize they are just SCRUM stakeholders and not "real" stakeholders" which only showed his ignorance and/or a dangerous desire to redefine words to suit his agenda)

The stakeholder concept may sound trivial but is surprisingly useful - it prevents comapnies from chasing after one or two stakeholders (e.g. customers and suppliers) while completely ignoring all other ones. Of course some stakeholders tend to be more important than others but starting to write down a list of stakeholders gives you a good idea which groups you have to cater to.
Many companies only realize very late that a stakeholder group you don't do any direct business with can **** you over at the worst moment if you leave its concerns unattended.

dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
Posted - 2011.07.13 07:58:00 - [30]
 

The CSM is nothing more then a PR tool, to make it seems like CCP wants to involve the eve community in the design and development of eve. They are bought and payed for by CCP, sadly it does not takes more then a few trips to Iceland and some drinks with the devs, to make the CSM members drop their pants and bend over.

The stakeholder roll basically only means that when CCP agrees with an CSM idea that can be added to the backlog, which again means that CCP if and when they fell like can implement the idea. In the end CCP can both now and later turn down any suggestion made bu the CSM.

CCP also fully control the information given to the CSM, and regulates what information the CSM can pass on to the community. Time and time again we have seen that the CSM says that they are not being given the information need to fulfill their roll, and even worse they don't complain about it, as long as they get their free trips to Iceland.

The CSM was ment to be a way for the players to influence the design and development of eve, but it ended up being a tool CCP would use to influence the eve player base.


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