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Tarryn Nightstorm
Minmatar
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
Posted - 2011.07.12 19:58:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm on 12/07/2011 19:59:01
(Transmission begins)

Right, mates, I'll keep this brief:

Recently, whilst out prospecting for salvage and other....aaaaah...useful things...in Ruvas system, I came upon the aftermath of a tremendous battle between forces of the Republic Fleet, and an independent capsuleer-piloted Golem-class marauder.

(Tarryn sighs, shakes his head as his eyes go cold--and not a little haunted, as if by old, old pain--the eyebrows drawing down into a hard scowl)

It went...Yeah: It went exactly as well for the RepFleet as you might expect for non-capsule-controlled vessels going up against a Marauder with an egger at the stick-and-throttles. What I found in that dead-space complex was...not pleasant. Not at all.

But, to my great surprise, and on a much happier note, what wreckage and cargo-canisters that the blithely uncaring Ret4rded Bird-Thing-pilot had left behind did contain living--and surprisingly healthy, given what they'd just been through--people, including 12 "freedom fighters," (their words, not mine, I might add: Their cause is likewise, their business, not mine) as well as 20 former slaves.

It should go without saying that, for me, it feels so completely wrong to just sell these poor sods on the freaking market, like so much cattle, so I ask you, my fellow podders: Is anyone willing to take on these people, or does anyone know where I can send them such that they will have decent homes, jobs, medical care, etc.? My organisation already has everyone it needs, otherwise I'd gladly hire some of them myself.

So...yeah, I guess that's all there is to it: 32 individuals total, more or less physically healthy (though non-physically might well be another matter), and able to travel pretty much anywhere--and most of them raring to go, I can tell you.

Respond via this post, or contact me via NeoComm if you're interested, I'm willing to transport them to you, within reasonable limits, at no cost. (Tarryn's lips quirk upward in a slightly sideways grin) Unless you want me to travel like 60 jumps one-way, in which case I'd have to charge a nominal fee Cool

(I think at least two of them may be capsule-compatible, by the way--One almost certainly is in, if I remember the criteria correctly, in the 99th percentile of the compatibility range....Hmmmmmmm: I wonder just how far into that I should look?)

Much appreciated, Pilots.

Tarryn Nightstorm
CEO, Hellstar Towing & Recovery

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.12 20:06:00 - [2]
 

Captain Nightstorm, I am pretty sure that other people will be more suited to welcome these people, though if you ever need someone I am available.

On another note, I noticed that you sound 'disgusted' by these events and the acts of the capsuleer in question. You might want to take some detachement and consider that he was obviously working for a credited Caldari agent to repel an unauthorized hostile force in Caldari controled space. The crews and commanders of the intruding republic force was - I hope - well aware of what they were doing by entering into enemy territory.

Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.12 20:22:00 - [3]
 

I will be contacting you shortly, Captain Nightstorm.

Tarryn Nightstorm
Minmatar
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
Posted - 2011.07.12 20:39:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm on 12/07/2011 20:45:47
Originally by: Lyn Farel
Captain Nightstorm, I am pretty sure that other people will be more suited to welcome these people, though if you ever need someone I am available.

On another note, I noticed that you sound 'disgusted' by these events and the acts of the capsuleer in question. You might want to take some detachement and consider that he was obviously working for a credited Caldari agent to repel an unauthorized hostile force in Caldari controled space. The crews and commanders of the intruding republic force was - I hope - well aware of what they were doing by entering into enemy territory.


Well, it's nice to know you're out there, at any rate, Ms. Farel.

Not so much disgusted as...well, disappointed, and not a little saddened.

Of course, those RepFleet crews knew the risks, and I'm sure they knew (subject to how much such information would be compartmentalised during this kind of operation, anyway) that they were intruding illegally into the sovereign territory of another nation--even building an unauthorised star gate in its' space, if you can believe that!--blatantly counter to the Yulai Convention, but...

...Hells, I dunno--I just can't help wondering what some of these peoples' last thoughts and experiences might have been--I mean, I could see that a lot of these people were frigging barely more than children, FFS. Did they know the end was upon them? If so, then did they scream? Did they cry and whimper? I can't help visualising that--I have waaaaay too much imagination for my own good, always have, even if I hadn't seen the actual results of this.

That, plus this kind of thing is a reminder of...well, experiences from my youth. Let's just leave it at that. Among us--and you as well, I think--certain people go on and on and on, ad infinitum/nauseum about "good and glorious deaths."

(Tarryn's voice pitches down into a harsh, bass growl as he continues)

Well, if they had a f***ing clue, then they would bloody well know that there is no such thing, and the reality of dying in battle, or in any kind of accident, for everyone, is exactly the same: Filthy, dirty, frightening, and lonely, surrounded by people themselves reduced to puling, little animals from fear that they're next, to care.

Children, now just blithely reduced to human wreckage. Maybe if the RF vessels had been pod-controlled, I'd find it easier to...detach, as you put it. I mean, this wasn't really a battle, per se, this was pure slaughter, and it's so....so, ingrained in its' routine nature, so ingrained that it should be this way, if you see what I mean.

(Tarryn blows out a breath, seemingly exasperated...)

That's what disgusts me, I think...How ingrained this is, and how easy, and always how predictable the outcome. I mean, something as huge as the murder of thousands should at least be a bit of a challenge, don't you think? (Chuckles darkly) As it is now, it borders on farcical.

Bah, whatever: That romantic/empathetic "nice-guy" in me, looking for "honour" where the adult knows there is none...I just wish he'd hurry up and die, already.

Tarryn Nightstorm
Minmatar
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
Posted - 2011.07.12 20:53:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Raze Valadeus
I will be contacting you shortly, Captain Nightstorm.


Very good, Sir. I look forward to it.

Aryan Jaynara
Posted - 2011.07.12 22:20:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Aryan Jaynara on 12/07/2011 22:20:38
Slavers asking for freed slaves to be returned? Interesting.

Michael Bross
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.07.12 22:22:00 - [7]
 

Mr. Nightstorm,

Please do not give the individuals you have rescued over to the evil that is the Empire.

I am more than willing to recieve them so that they may return to the cause or be resettled on the station of their choice.

Tarryn Nightstorm
Minmatar
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
Posted - 2011.07.12 22:46:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Michael Bross
Mr. Nightstorm,

Please do not give the individuals you have rescued over to the evil that is the Empire.

I am more than willing to recieve them so that they may return to the cause or be resettled on the station of their choice.


It was certainly never my intention to sent them back into slavery--Actually, KotMC strikes me as some of the more reasonable of the Imperial-affiliated corporations to me, but...yeah: They're still Imperial. So, I'm taking a wait-and-see attitude to this. I know they'll be safe and properly looked after as long as they stay with me, it's just that I can't keep them here forever.

But, by the same token, it can't hurt to talk to the Knighthood, at least see what they have to say.

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.12 23:03:00 - [9]
 

This is why I said I may not be the best suited to that task.

Well this is not even about the Knighthood in any case. In my case it is about me and me alone. If you need proofs of good will then know that I own no slaves and worked really hard to gather and free all the ones of my family. But I also had to find someone with the right connections and the ability to travel in the Republic and the Federation to repatriate all the ones willing to go in these regions. That in mind I can only offer you to take care of the ones willing to go to the Empire space or remain in the Caldari space.

Though I am very interested in the freedom fighters.

Originally by: Aryan Jaynara
Edited by: Aryan Jaynara on 12/07/2011 22:20:38
Slavers asking for freed slaves to be returned? Interesting.


Where did you see such a thing ?

Michael Bross
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.07.12 23:50:00 - [10]
 

Whether you personally hold slaves, I give not a damn.

That you support an evil regime predicated on the backs of slaves is all that I need to see proof of your corruption.

Know this Mr. Nightstorm. Should you give those men and women over to the Amarrian beasts their blood will be on your hands.

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.07.12 23:52:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Michael Bross
Whether you personally hold slaves, I give not a damn.

That you support an evil regime predicated on the backs of slaves is all that I need to see proof of your corruption.

Know this Mr. Nightstorm. Should you give those men and women over to the Amarrian beasts their blood will be on your hands.


Tch.

Noisy creature....

Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Moira.
Posted - 2011.07.13 00:41:00 - [12]
 

I'll take them...

Lucius Vindictus
Amarr
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.13 03:11:00 - [13]
 

Lady Farel, surely you weren't intending to return these terrorists home, and you would have handed them over to the Ministry of Internal Order instead?

Saikoyu
Amarr
Rho Dynamics
Posted - 2011.07.13 05:13:00 - [14]
 

If you wish for a neutral entity to take care of these individuals, I can place them in the New Life program, where they will be cared for until physically and mentally capable of living by themselves, at which point they will be given passage to the destination of their choice. Please contact me with their location if you decide upon this and I can transport them. And thank you for your kindness in rescuing them. It is something that is very rare in our world and something that should be treasured.

Arkady Sadik
Minmatar
Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.07.13 07:37:00 - [15]
 

If you are looking for a decidedly non-neutral entity, Electus Matari has a Freedom Program to support resocializing of people found in sad situations (purely voluntary, of course; if these "freedom fighters" wish to go elsewhere, we won't stop them).


Oh, and Ms. Farel - one day you might find out that you can not fight a war for oppression and slavery and at the same time claim that you are, as an individual, a nice person. You are not. You are a barbaric monster. The main thing that makes you different from people like Rodj Blake is that you cling at being human still. That you do not wish to accept what you have become.

You have my compassion, for when you arrive at this insight, it will be very hard for you. And I do hope that when that time comes, what remains inside you of being human will win out.

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.07.13 08:08:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 13/07/2011 08:11:06
Originally by: Arkady Sadik
Oh, and Ms. Farel - one day you might find out that you can not fight a war for oppression and slavery and at the same time claim that you are, as an individual, a nice person. You are not. You are a barbaric monster. The main thing that makes you different from people like Rodj Blake is that you cling at being human still. That you do not wish to accept what you have become.

You have my compassion, for when you arrive at this insight, it will be very hard for you. And I do hope that when that time comes, what remains inside you of being human will win out.


What rot.

Mister Sadik, thank you for providing us a lovely demonstration of self-righteousness in action. Speaking as a relatively moderate to low-grade sample of the genuine article where "inhuman" beings are concerned, I assure you Ms. Farel is quite a "human" creature, much as slavery is and long has been a "human" institution practiced by various groups of humans against various other groups down the ages.

I can't speak for your own status, however.

Of course, using some supposed moral or political wrong (if there's even a difference) to dehumanize your opponents and thereby make it morally justifiable or even compulsory slaughter them out of hand after treating them in a suitably shabby manner is a time-honored human trick. But, and here's the real question, Mr. Sadik-- how exactly, if you paint your enemies this way, will you be able to tell if you start becoming something like me?

I left the State to avoid talking like you are.

Your cause has strength enough to stand on its own two feet without claiming you are fighting "monsters." It's the tool of a weak will to bolster itself with claims that its enemies objectively deserve everything they get.

The Amarr, at least, view the whole blasted universe through the lens of their faith, which they're mostly brought up with. The Gallente are virtually raised on a broth of cultural heroism simmered in rights and freedoms.

What lovely role models for you, but even taking Matari outrage into account I don't see that you have a similar excuse. Do you actually see the universe like this, or are you just too weak in the knees to face and kill your enemy while admitting her humanity?

Myyona
Minmatar
Ataraxia Pharmacies
Posted - 2011.07.13 10:30:00 - [17]
 

Not that I would ever put a claim on other people’s lives, but Ataraxia Pharmacies have been helping and supporting homeless and refugees on to new and better futures for years now. Our program involves not only sheltering and immediate medical care but also help in resettling and educational schooling.

It is not uncommon that former clients become employees of the corporation.

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.13 11:37:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Michael Bross
Know this Mr. Nightstorm. Should you give those men and women over to the Amarrian beasts their blood will be on your hands.


You make me want even more to accept these people for the sake to demonstrate the contrary.

Originally by: Lucius Vindictus
Lady Farel, surely you weren't intending to return these terrorists home, and you would have handed them over to the Ministry of Internal Order instead?


The freedom fighters ? Their terrorist status would have to be proved before calling them terrorists, don't you think ? They can be freedom fighters without having even hurt a single Amarrian. They can be freedom fighters and hunt Angels too. I wouldn't bother too much with words and names.

In any case no, actually, I have something else in mind for them than turning them to the MIO. Returning them back home is part of the plan, actually. Symbols and change of mentalities, mostly. Though it is pointless to discuss about the details while there is still probably other people best suited for the task than myself. Note : I can vouch for Miss Saikoyu.

If was offering to take care of these people in the first place is because as much as I am no humanitarian organization, for having had to deal with this a lot in the recent past, I have contacts here and there.

Originally by: Arkady Sadik

Oh, and Ms. Farel - one day you might find out that you can not fight a war for oppression and slavery and at the same time claim that you are, as an individual, a nice person. You are not. You are a barbaric monster. The main thing that makes you different from people like Rodj Blake is that you cling at being human still. That you do not wish to accept what you have become.

You have my compassion, for when you arrive at this insight, it will be very hard for you. And I do hope that when that time comes, what remains inside you of being human will win out.


I am sorry but I do not think I have ever claimed to be "a nice person".

Concerning the rest of your slanderous and meaningless argument, it is irrelevant for the simple reason it constitutes only ad hominem attacks based on nothing/void/thin air. See what you want to see ultimately, but it will never serve you in a good way if you continue to please yourself in convenient lies. Comparing me to Admiral Blake is another proof of these delusions.

You have my compassion for your ignorance.

Aodha Khan
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.13 11:41:00 - [19]
 

I'll take the pretty ones.

Have plenty of use for them as we indulge our hedonistic lifestyles out in Curse.

Dilaro thagriin
Posted - 2011.07.13 11:58:00 - [20]
 

Hello Tarryn.

Should no other come forward with the true intention of returning these unfortunates to the Matari Republic, I'll take them home.

My brother and I will ensure they are returned to their homes and families.

Contact me. We will arrange a place to exchange them.

- Dilaro

Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.13 12:18:00 - [21]
 

Captain Bross,

Your gross generalizations are not only based entirely on ignorance but on your own prejudices that blind your ability to see reason and individuality. Before issuing hostile accusations, at least attempt to understand the one you are accusing.

Captain Nightstorm,

I apologize for being unable to contact you yesterday, I was unfortunately preoccupied with a matter of extreme personal significance. I will be contacting you today, instead. I commend you on your willingness to at least listen to what I have to say, it speaks highly of you. Until then, fly safe.


Lucius Vindictus
Amarr
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.13 14:11:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Lucius Vindictus on 13/07/2011 14:12:45
Originally by: Lyn Farel
The freedom fighters ? Their terrorist status would have to be proved before calling them terrorists, don't you think ? They can be freedom fighters without having even hurt a single Amarrian. They can be freedom fighters and hunt Angels too. I wouldn't bother too much with words and names.


Regardless of the label I give them, I hope that you agree that an unauthorized entry by armed militants into sovereign Imperial space is a crime in itself. And even if there is doubt, I don't see how releasing them without further investigation would be be the proper response. You are not directly involved it seems, so we are talking about a theoretical situation. But I admit I'm a little alarmed by your proposed methods here.

Originally by: Lyn Farel
In any case no, actually, I have something else in mind for them than turning them to the MIO. Returning them back home is part of the plan, actually. Symbols and change of mentalities, mostly. Though it is pointless to discuss about the details while there is still probably other people best suited for the task than myself. Note : I can vouch for Miss Saikoyu.


Prisoner exchange would be the only acceptable alternative I could imagine. But true enough, there is no use in debating options that are no longer relevant.

Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.13 14:34:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Lucius Vindictus

Regardless of the label I give them, I hope that you agree that an unauthorized entry by armed militants into sovereign Imperial space is a crime in itself. And even if there is doubt, I don't see how releasing them without further investigation would be be the proper response. You are not directly involved it seems, so we are talking about a theoretical situation. But I admit I'm a little alarmed by your proposed methods here.


Lord Vindictus,

The Ruvas system is actually in State sovereign space and it would need to be proven that these 'freedom fighters' were, at any time, in Imperial Space before we could even pretend to claim jurisdiction. The proper course of action would be to turn them over to the State for legal processing, not the Empire. Unless I am misunderstanding the situation. The Empire and the State are on peaceful terms, I see no reason to infringe on their jurisdiction.

Lucius Vindictus
Amarr
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.13 14:42:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Lucius Vindictus on 13/07/2011 14:55:04
Originally by: Raze Valadeus
Lord Vindictus,

The Ruvas system is actually in State sovereign space and it would need to be proven that these 'freedom fighters' were, at any time, in Imperial Space before we could even pretend to claim jurisdiction. The proper course of action would be to turn them over to the State for legal processing, not the Empire. Unless I am misunderstanding the situation. The Empire and the State are on peaceful terms, I see no reason to infringe on their jurisdiction.


I stand corrected, Squire Valadeus. Thank you. That does change the situation considerably. I agree that we'd do well to leave Caldari affairs to the Caldari. I'm happy that our trade routes to the State are just a little more secure thanks to the efforts of the Marauder pilot.

Ugleb
Minmatar
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.07.13 15:36:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Aodha Khan
I'll take the pretty ones.

Have plenty of use for them as we indulge our hedonistic lifestyles out in Curse.


Remember Mabnen, old friend, lest we fall into old bad habits.

As for these freedom fighters, if they are interested in it then perhaps I could offer employment that might be to their tastes.

The civilians I think would be well cared for by one of several offers already given, if they are Republic citizens seeking to return home then others such as Sadik are it seems well set up to facilitate in their repatriation.

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.13 16:03:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Lyn Farel on 13/07/2011 16:04:16
Lord Vindictus,

A prisonner exchange is a good idea, even if I had another idea in mind.

Concerning the laws, we are in a capsuleer and CONCORD sanctionned case here, not in an infringement to Caldari legality, even if it was the case before the Caldari agent choosed instead to entrust a capsuleer in a CONCORD sanctionned mission in Caldari space (for the simple reason that capsuleers operate and are monitored by CONCORD and nobody else). I support the logical course that consists into handling the freedom fighters back to the State official bodies, but this is not an obligation. In virtues of the CONCORD interstellar law concerning capsuleer matters, they are under the care of Mr Nightstorm until further notice. Eventually and legaly, it is up to him.

Another question comes to mind : what were slaves and freedom fighters doing aboard unauthorized republic ships flying in Caldari Space ?

Carcosa Hali
True Slave Foundations
Posted - 2011.07.13 18:57:00 - [27]
 


Captain Nightstorm,

I would be remiss if I did not offer to extend my hand to these poor people who have been through so much. My colleagues and I have a long history of relocating political refugees, war survivors, and other displaced people for many years now, as demonstrated through the Safe Harbor Program.

Rest assured, they would receive the finest of care and rehabilitation (where needed) among my people. Furthermore, we are particularly skilled at helping individuals prepare themselves for happy fulfilling lives in whatever career they may choose.

Unlike so many others, I can also offer guaranteed asylum, so that any mistakes or unfortunate associations they may have made (doubtless the fault of their ships captains' and not their own) would not result in imprisonment or similar draconian measures by the Caldari; who are known for knee-jerk reactions from time to time.

Lastly, given the situation in which these individuals were found, I would like to offer a reward for your valiant and heroic actions. Call it a donation if you will, to aide you in further efforts to scan down wreckage left behind by irresponsible and careless pilots, and give shelter to those unfortunates within. Say... four or five? Yes, 5 million isk.

Anything for a kindred spirit.

Aryan Jaynara
Posted - 2011.07.13 21:36:00 - [28]
 

As if the Amarrians weren't bad enough, now the Sansha scum comes crawling out from the depths.

Must be getting hard to recruit for your perverted utopia if you must now buy people to be forcibly implanted.

Tarryn Nightstorm
Minmatar
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
Posted - 2011.07.13 23:59:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm on 14/07/2011 00:29:49
Ah, perhaps I should have made it clear before:

No Slavers...and no frigging Toasters, either! That said, though, the sentiment is very much appreciated, Ms. Hali--us salvagers should stick together, hmm?

Sorry for the lack of response recently, all, I can't get into a pod, or onto a reliably-working NeoCom consistently at the moment (and my GalNet connection clearly dislikes heavy rain).

Thanks to all for your responses--it's nice to see that some podders still have some small scraps of decency in them, even if they represent institutions or entities that I do not support or agree with.

Will advise soon (hopefully in the next day or two), That dirt-side...well, crap Rolling Eyes...I've been putting off, refuses to be put off any longer.

That guy I mentioned who is pod-compatible, by the way, is staying with me, though: For now, at least, I can use some extra crew on the Noctis-class vessel I just bought for the company, and this will give him some great background experience and training--not to mention money to help pay for it--if he decides to go that way.

Tarryn Nightstorm
Minmatar
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
Posted - 2011.07.14 00:43:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm on 14/07/2011 01:38:39
Originally by: Myyona
Not that I would ever put a claim on other people’s lives, but Ataraxia Pharmacies have been helping and supporting homeless and refugees on to new and better futures for years now. Our program involves not only sheltering and immediate medical care but also help in resettling and educational schooling.

It is not uncommon that former clients become employees of the corporation.


Yay'z! back in-pod soon!

Having done some research, I think I can say--with all due respect, and again, thanks and appreciation to all other interested parties--that Ataraxia seems like the best place to send these people.

Plus (grins rakishly), I like your style, Ms. Myyona.

Shall we make the arrangements? I'll contact you through NeoComm presently.


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