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Alisha Firesale
Posted - 2011.07.12 15:08:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
It is better and more time efficient to work in reallife and use that money to buy plexes to sell for isk than to grind for hours:

Cost of 1 Plex = 20e (euros)
European average minimum wage = 6 euros an hour
So if you get paid slightly higer than the minimum wage it takes 3 hours buy 1 plex

Plex ISK price = 375m / 3 = 125m a hour

No other profession in eve pays out 125million isk an hour. Not only that by working you are advancing your work career and socialising instead of sittig infront of a PC all day grinding for 15mill a hour.


You fail at eve and deserve to pay RL money for it. Thank you for the PLEX's jackass.




I can easily afford 3 Plexes with one extra hour of work. I would much rather that than say in my pitchblack mothers basement grinding missions for 32 hours to get a fraction of what i made in an hour

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.12 15:10:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Alisha Firesale
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
It is better and more time efficient to work in reallife and use that money to buy plexes to sell for isk than to grind for hours:

Cost of 1 Plex = 20e (euros)
European average minimum wage = 6 euros an hour
So if you get paid slightly higer than the minimum wage it takes 3 hours buy 1 plex

Plex ISK price = 375m / 3 = 125m a hour

No other profession in eve pays out 125million isk an hour. Not only that by working you are advancing your work career and socialising instead of sittig infront of a PC all day grinding for 15mill a hour.


You fail at eve and deserve to pay RL money for it. Thank you for the PLEX's jackass.




I can easily afford 3 Plexes with one extra hour of work. I would much rather that than say in my pitchblack mothers basement grinding missions for 32 hours to get a fraction of what i made in an hour


Which is why you fail at eve. Again, thanks.

Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
Posted - 2011.07.12 15:34:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
It is better and more time efficient to work in reallife and use that money to buy plexes to sell for isk than to grind for hours:

Cost of 1 Plex = 20e (euros)
European average minimum wage = 6 euros an hour
So if you get paid slightly higer than the minimum wage it takes 3 hours buy 1 plex

Plex ISK price = 375m / 3 = 125m a hour

No other profession in eve pays out 125million isk an hour. Not only that by working you are advancing your work career and socialising instead of sittig infront of a PC all day grinding for 15mill a hour.


You fail at eve and deserve to pay RL money for it. Thank you for the PLEX's jackass.




I can easily afford 3 Plexes with one extra hour of work. I would much rather that than say in my pitchblack mothers basement grinding missions for 32 hours to get a fraction of what i made in an hour


Which is why you fail at eve. Again, thanks.


I prefer failing at Eve to failing at life.

Corp AdminSec
Posted - 2011.07.12 15:36:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
It is better and more time efficient to work in reallife and use that money to buy plexes to sell for isk than to grind for hours:

Cost of 1 Plex = 20e (euros)
European average minimum wage = 6 euros an hour
So if you get paid slightly higer than the minimum wage it takes 3 hours buy 1 plex

Plex ISK price = 375m / 3 = 125m a hour

No other profession in eve pays out 125million isk an hour. Not only that by working you are advancing your work career and socialising instead of sittig infront of a PC all day grinding for 15mill a hour.


You fail at eve and deserve to pay RL money for it. Thank you for the PLEX's jackass.




I can easily afford 3 Plexes with one extra hour of work. I would much rather that than say in my pitchblack mothers basement grinding missions for 32 hours to get a fraction of what i made in an hour


Which is why you fail at eve. Again, thanks.

^ obviously cant afford to buy plexes or dad wont let him use his CC

Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus
Posted - 2011.07.12 15:44:00 - [35]
 

It's not like the ISK just comes out of nowhere. If everybody bought GTCs to sell PLEX with and nobody made money through ingame means, there would be a problem.

Alxea
Posted - 2011.07.12 15:50:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Alxea on 12/07/2011 15:51:50
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
It is better and more time efficient to work in reallife and use that money to buy plexes to sell for isk than to grind for hours:

Cost of 1 Plex = 20e (euros)
European average minimum wage = 6 euros an hour
So if you get paid slightly higer than the minimum wage it takes 3 hours buy 1 plex

Plex ISK price = 375m / 3 = 125m a hour

No other profession in eve pays out 125million isk an hour. Not only that by working you are advancing your work career and socialising instead of sittig infront of a PC all day grinding for 15mill a hour.
Its funny that you say that. Because I only lift a finger every 3 months to make my isk. Besides the other night in w-space I made 200mil in a hour and that was only a C3. On the same day I made 500mil in trade. I lost count after I past about 20 bil... I don't keep track of how much isk I have in assets. I need to liquidate my T2 BS production from highsec witch is I don't know how many billions worth of T2 components and moon goo. lol A few mil m3 for sure.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.07.12 16:02:00 - [37]
 

I haven't paid for my 8 accounts since 2008 or whenever plex were introduced. I do about 2-3 hours of 'grind' a month in game to afford both the accounts and whatever ships I use.

It is better and more time efficient to not grind for ISK and keep your real life money for real life things. Thinking in ISK per hour is for scrubs who don't know how to genuinely make money.

Borun Tal
Minmatar
Space Pods Inc
Posted - 2011.07.12 16:08:00 - [38]
 

OP: like the saying says, "Stupid is as stupid does."

Nothing in Eve pays 125m per hour? lrn2play ftw.

Jose Black
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.07.12 17:53:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Alisha Firesale
There is always going to be an abundance of isk in EVE
I can't help feeling you don't understand the greater correlations. If that statement was true selling PLEX for isk would simply not work.
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
I can easily afford 3 Plexes with one extra hour of work. I would much rather that than say in my pitchblack mothers basement grinding missions for 32 hours to get a fraction of what i made in an hour
While that wasn't addressed specifically at me I'd still like to note that I've got two large windows in the room where I use to play. Facing south even and no curtains or sunblinds either. Pitch black is not going to happen.
Also I lost a ship now and then going for a walk in the garden while being in a mission, but still no abundance of ISK.

Don't get me wrong either. I both used to buy GTC with ISK and sell PLEX for ISK in the past. I'm not against the feature. But in my opinion your initial statement could use some thinking in a broader scope. It's just not that simple. It looks smart-assed - and I hate that.

Ana Vyr
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.12 18:26:00 - [40]
 

The way I look at it is that making money inside the game using the game mechanics is part of the game. Why play a game you don't want to play? Buying in game currency is cheating to me.

I'm a roleplayer though, so I likely see things differently that some of you other folks.

Corp AdminSec
Posted - 2011.07.12 18:27:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Jose Black
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
There is always going to be an abundance of isk in EVE
I can't help feeling you don't understand the greater correlations. If that statement was true selling PLEX for isk would simply not work.
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
I can easily afford 3 Plexes with one extra hour of work. I would much rather that than say in my pitchblack mothers basement grinding missions for 32 hours to get a fraction of what i made in an hour
While that wasn't addressed specifically at me I'd still like to note that I've got two large windows in the room where I use to play. Facing south even and no curtains or sunblinds either. Pitch black is not going to happen.
Also I lost a ship now and then going for a walk in the garden while being in a mission, but still no abundance of ISK.

Don't get me wrong either. I both used to buy GTC with ISK and sell PLEX for ISK in the past. I'm not against the feature. But in my opinion your initial statement could use some thinking in a broader scope. It's just not that simple. It looks smart-assed - and I hate that.


Its pretty simple... working in real life gets you more isk/hour than most professions in eve.

Pure Tabasco
Posted - 2011.07.12 18:30:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Alisha Firesale
It is better and more time efficient to work in reallife and use that money to buy plexes to sell for isk than to grind for hours:

Cost of 1 Plex = 20e (euros)
European average minimum wage = 6 euros an hour
So if you get paid slightly higer than the minimum wage it takes 3 hours buy 1 plex

Plex ISK price = 375m / 3 = 125m a hour

No other profession in eve pays out 125million isk an hour. Not only that by working you are advancing your work career and socialising instead of sittig infront of a PC all day grinding for 15mill a hour.


What about people that doesn't have a decent job??

Alisha Firesale
Posted - 2011.07.12 18:31:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
I haven't paid for my 8 accounts since 2008 or whenever plex were introduced. I do about 2-3 hours of 'grind' a month in game to afford both the accounts and whatever ships I use.

It is better and more time efficient to not grind for ISK and keep your real life money for real life things. Thinking in ISK per hour is for scrubs who don't know how to genuinely make money.


If someone has a great deal of disposable income then they can afford to do it but obv if you are just scraping by then dont. Dont whine if you cant afford it.

So you make 3 bill in 4 hours grinding to fund your 8 characters? Most people cant do what you do because if it was that easy and simple everyone would be doing it

Dbars Grinding
Posted - 2011.07.12 18:47:00 - [44]
 

A lot of mad peasants irl in this thread. Think i will buy 6 plex just for the lolz.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.12 18:57:00 - [45]
 

Quote:

I prefer failing at Eve to failing at life.


Sounds like you have tried both and made an informed decision. Therefore you are not trolling.

DECEPTIBROW
Posted - 2011.07.12 18:59:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: DECEPTIBROW on 12/07/2011 19:01:56
Originally by: Dbars Grinding
A lot of mad peasants irl in this thread. Think i will buy 6 plex just for the lolz.


This is why Eve hasn't been a competitive mmo since plex.

I personally don't care at all when I loose a ship because I am wealthy irl and have practically unlimited isk.

And just to be clear before PLEX most of us wouldn't buy from RMT'ers because I would never risk my accounts being banned.

Neftaran
Posted - 2011.07.12 19:01:00 - [47]
 

That would be fine if majority of people only played 1 account. The game mechanics pretty much force you into multiple accounts if you wish to play more than one aspect of the game. I don't know to many people that would be willing to pay out 6,9,12,15+ hours of their paycheck to play.

BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2011.07.12 19:33:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: DECEPTIBROW
I personally don't care at all when I loose a ship because I am wealthy irl and have practically unlimited isk.

And just to be clear before PLEX most of us wouldn't buy from RMT'ers because I would never risk my accounts being banned.

Agreed to both statements.

I play to have fun, grinding is no fun so I buy GTC's for my ISK. It's a win win, I'm happy, buyer is happy and all sanctioned by CCP. Ant the number of GTC's I see being sold tells me ALOT of people out there do the same. I only use my On-Call pay for GTC's which I get simply by carrying a pager. 45 minutes of RL income gets me a GTC I can sell for 700 Million. I have 6 accounts, pay cash for all of them.

But for me it goes a lot further. I am disabled and unable to do much and get out. I work, play PC Games mostly EVE and watch TV while playing. It all keeps me from going insane from boredom.

I'd give it all up in a heartbeat to have my health back... Crying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sad

Qansh
Gallente
Triskelion Ouroboros
Posted - 2011.07.12 19:36:00 - [49]
 

What I liked about EVE (I'm back after a couple of years away) is that it felt like a closed little petri-dish of an environment where whatever happens in EVE stays in EVE and whatever happens outside of EVE can't get in. Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not the world's greatest economist), but even botters, gold-sellers, or what-not had to make their money through the grind, whatever their motivation. It was a sealed world. Am I right?

Now, I can't say I have a problem at all with the Aurum/Vanity side of things. What's discouraging is how what should essentially be (or feels essentially like) two different games (as measured most obviously by their different valuations) are being mashed together into one game world. I just don't get that. One of the glories of EVE as it was was that everything had an explanation (down to the camera drones why-you-are-seeing-your-ship-from-the-outside thing). I loved that. Loved it. It was a tightly sealed, totally explainable world, a game without Hand Waves!

You bring this other world into that and you break it. BUT you could still have that other world and a cool social game on the inside with vanity and what-have you purchases up the kazoo. That could all matter in terms of how you relate to people or advance with them socially (say, by looking good in the latest fashions). You could even make it possible to make money in THAT world. What you couldn't do is let pilots flood the vanity markets with untold billions of ISK or vendors buying battleships with monocles.

I see that working because it would maintain a hard dividing line. People could play the game they wanted, or both. Most importantly, it would maintain the core spaceship game as that neat little-petri dish that was one of its attractions. The social game could/would embrace and love the petri dish. If the social game went free-to-play it could even support the petri-dish. That to me would be the continuance and even ehancement of EVE-love. The vanity game should be a social mediator to the actual game, much like a glorified, 3-D iPod app on your computer.

If CCP could do that and stop any illogic bleed-through, then I'd be a happy space-pilot indeed.

The one fly in the ointment to this, I guess, is DUST 514. It wants to be more than a vanity game. It wants to have real effects in the world of EVE. I guess you could have a situation where a corp having massive ISK might wonder why it can't afford a special rifle planet-side, but the fact is that they can, because you can, because EVE made you better! (Hey, it works for me). So fork over that twenty bucks, pilot.

I could live with that... or, as an alternative, be willing to put planet-side to a dice-roll if I didn't like the color of whatever "black box" was on offer.

I'll leave it to economists or game-designers to suggest what I might be missing here, but I know what I'm feeling.

Kurfin
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.12 20:11:00 - [50]
 

Grinding for ISK is less soul destroying than going to work, especially if you work in accounts. And it's not like I can work longer AND get paid for it.

Beavizzz
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.12 23:17:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Alisha Firesale
It is better and more time efficient to work in reallife and use that money to buy plexes to sell for isk than to grind for hours


4/5 of the World don't agree with you, because "over 80 % of the world population lives on less than 10 US$/day." (Wiki)

USA+EU != Whole world !!!

Thomas Orca
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.12 23:59:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Beavizzz
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
It is better and more time efficient to work in reallife and use that money to buy plexes to sell for isk than to grind for hours


4/5 of the World don't agree with you, because "over 80 % of the world population lives on less than 10 US$/day." (Wiki)

USA+EU != Whole world !!!


Those people have a little more to worry about then EVE

Shova Kais
Caldari
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
Posted - 2011.07.13 00:04:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Alisha Firesale
grinding missions


I've found your problem.

Grapy
Posted - 2011.07.13 00:20:00 - [54]
 

Calculated today: if I use money from one day of my real life work to purchase PLEXes and sell them for ISK - I'll have more money than I was able to gather during first year in EVE.

Now I cannot see any point in mining/missions/WH/PI/industty/trading/etc anymore. Even PvP doesn't feel interesting now because I realized I can purchase like 30-50 Dramiels (or equipped Drakes/Hurricanes) daily if needed.

Bklyn 1
Posted - 2011.07.13 00:31:00 - [55]
 

Is it my imagination, or is this a stealth 'how do I make lots of isk' thread?

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.13 00:48:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Alisha Firesale
No [...] profession in eve pays out 125 million isk an hour.

I beg to differ.

Quite a few things in EVE yield noticeably more than 125 mil ISK/hour.
And some of them are grind-based.

In fact, it is not just theoretically, but also practically possible to have an income well in excess of 1 bil ISK per actual hour "worked" in trading... hell, even much more.

Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
Posted - 2011.07.13 01:01:00 - [57]
 

The problem is, if everyone just bought the gtc's and sold for isk, then nobody would be out there grinding the isk...

At the extreme end of that, you end up being able to charge less isk for your GTC, and then the opposite becomes true, it'd be easy to earn a plex worth of isk in a few hours. Left to it's own devices, the economy will balance itself out to a price that slightly favors the earners of real cash.

Factor in that most people are just lazy, they'l just buy GTC cos the idea of grinding sucks, and you'l see a steady decline in amount of isk earners in game. Coupled with nerfs to 0.0 ratting, massive controversies, and many other factors, and you find a market with tens of thousands of gtcs floating on it.

It's about that time that you realize that your company spent all the money you took from those GTC's, and you no longer wish to honor the sale, so you introduce some shiny clothes or something to make them go away, and make people pay for their game time again... Laughing




BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2011.07.13 01:28:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Soi Mala
The problem is, if everyone just bought the gtc's and sold for isk, then nobody would be out there grinding the isk...

But that's never gonna happen. So everything works out. I get my ISK, the buyer of my GTC gets to play...

Toovhon
Posted - 2011.07.13 01:49:00 - [59]
 

I use passive income like R&D agents and BP R&D to pay for my PLEX. Yes there was an initial grind, but now I need only spend an hour a month collecting datacores and managing my R&D jobs, and most of that is travel with my doing something else at the same time.

Flakey Foont
Posted - 2011.07.13 01:59:00 - [60]
 

What grind? You can't help but make ISK enough to pay the rent...


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