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Alisha Firesale
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:12:00 - [1]
 

It is better and more time efficient to work in reallife and use that money to buy plexes to sell for isk than to grind for hours:

Cost of 1 Plex = 20e (euros)
European average minimum wage = 6 euros an hour
So if you get paid slightly higer than the minimum wage it takes 3 hours buy 1 plex

Plex ISK price = 375m / 3 = 125m a hour

No other profession in eve pays out 125million isk an hour. Not only that by working you are advancing your work career and socialising instead of sittig infront of a PC all day grinding for 15mill a hour.

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:13:00 - [2]
 

NO ****?

Alisha Firesale
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:15:00 - [3]
 

In conclusion anyone who grinds for ISK is massively wasting time. Time you will never get back, time you wont be able to spend with your girlf....... nvm

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:18:00 - [4]
 

Totally agree with the OP, unless of course you enjoy the "grind" like I do from time to time.

Kunming
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:21:00 - [5]
 

And thats why I'm advocating that ETC/GTC/PLEX or any RMT legal/illegal is breaking the game, since the concept of GTC was ever published.

Ever since PLEX, EVE has been turning into Counter Strike in space abit more everyday.


Alisha Firesale
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:21:00 - [6]
 

Even looking at the biggest and most reputable isk selling site you can buy 400mill for $12 (7 euros). So one hours work in real life gets you 1 plex and 75mill left over.


mechtech
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:23:00 - [7]
 

Well I can't exactly go out and go "hey, I'd like to work another 3 hours today to fund my MMO". Most people have fixed work hours, and thus fixed incomes, and spending RL $$ for PLEX is just about the absolute bottom of my list for things to spend money on.

Many of us make more than 125m an hour too, keep that in mind. Trading, industry, and some other creative occupations can absolutely make far more than 125m an hour. Of course in trading and industry there is usually a set-up cost time wise, but once the routes or production lines are paying off, it's often more than 125m per hour for the actual work you put in day to day assuming you have sufficient capital to work with.

Xtreem
Gallente
The Collective
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:25:00 - [8]
 

I agree with the OP, i managed to stumble on a few money makers in game that made me rich enough to pay with isk from plex and won't have to earn any isk other than for fun for the next few years or so, but I earn a good wage IRL, and if isk ever was needed i would prob just buy some GTC.

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:25:00 - [9]
 

To many making isk is not a grind, its fun. So its how we play. Besides, someone has to have the isk to buy your PLEXs.

Also as Im salaried, working an extra hour does not result in an extra hour of pay. To make more money Id have to get a second job. There are very few jobs out there that involve just one hour a week of work.

Uuali
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:25:00 - [10]
 

Tell this to the fanboi nerds on daddy's credit card.

This is what people don't understand about the difference in PLEX and MT win items (if implemented). It's not the effect of being able to get an uber ship to win a fight. It is about straight out buying a win vehicle period vs. simply buying isk to do all the other things you can do in the game but don't have the time in which to grind.

I buy PLEX to catch up with the high schoolers who have the summer off to play this game. If you are an adult with a job and grind that much on this game you are one sad individual.

Jita Jenn
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:26:00 - [11]
 

Yes, let's all just buy plex instead of running missions or plexes. Didn't want all that faction ammo or those 1 billion isk deadspace mods anyway.

Jose Black
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:28:00 - [12]
 

If you have the feeling you're grinding and wasting time in a game you should not stop thinking at how you could optimize it. Instead you should just leave the game it altogether and use your time properly elsewhere.

I for myself play for the fun of it. If I can pile up ISK and assets while having a good time it's even better.

Also taking part in a community that is spread all around the world even in far countries I'll probably never visit in person is not socializing? I do socialize far less being at work I'm afraid. Again if you miss socializing in game you're doing it wrong - in my opinion.

Gurgeh Murat
Minmatar
Blue Republic
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:30:00 - [13]
 

I totally agree with OP and to that end, Ive decided to utilise his revolutionary theories to revamp the way I live my life.

For instance, its a much more efficent use of my time to work for a few days, buy a gun and shoot kasparov rather than foolishly spending years learning strategies, engaging in multiple pointless matches and finally approaching some level of mastery of a game.

Owai...

From wikipedia : A game is structured playing, usually undertaken for enjoyment and sometimes used as an educational tool. Games are distinct from work, which is usually carried out for remuneration.

Believe it not there ARE some people who play for the fun of the competition. A r/l friend who is well on his way to being a millionare (the ****) hasnt spent a r/l penny on this game in years. Every hour he spends on here literally costs him hundreds of dollars. But what price fun and a sense of achievement?

So OP...technically your correct, but I also suspect your the kind of guy who puts ringers into friendly softball games. Its more efficient, amirite?

Tammarr
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:31:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Tammarr on 12/07/2011 14:32:06
posting to confirm my grinding with two characters only gives a sustainable 350m/hour income =(
edit: +1 hour per week average lost to trading the goods away.

Alisha Firesale
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:32:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Jose Black
If you have the feeling you're grinding and wasting time in a game you should not stop thinking at how you could optimize it. Instead you should just leave the game it altogether and use your time properly elsewhere.

I for myself play for the fun of it. If I can pile up ISK and assets while having a good time it's even better.

Also taking part in a community that is spread all around the world even in far countries I'll probably never visit in person is not socializing? I do socialize far less being at work I'm afraid. Again if you miss socializing in game you're doing it wrong - in my opinion.


You are so attacking when i havent even mentioned anything about my gaming habits. I love playing eve. I much rather spend an hour or 2 working and buy a plex to sell at the end of it than grind indoors for a fraction of the isk a hour. Only a small number of professions let you grind for isk as a team in eve otherwise its you doing it solo. I socialise enough in eve and withput having to grind i can spend 90% of my time doing stuff with corpmates, i dont know why you posted that last sentence

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:33:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 12/07/2011 14:34:38
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
It is better and more time efficient to work in reallife and use that money to buy plexes to sell for isk than to grind for hours:

Cost of 1 Plex = 20e (euros)
European average minimum wage = 6 euros an hour
So if you get paid slightly higer than the minimum wage it takes 3 hours buy 1 plex

Plex ISK price = 375m / 3 = 125m a hour

That's basically correct.

Quote:
No other profession in eve pays out 125million isk an hour. Not only that by working you are advancing your work career and socialising instead of sittig infront of a PC all day grinding for 15mill a hour.

Assuming that your post attempts to advise people to stop grinding and work RL instead: This is where your logic breaks down. ISK != Euro. Real life work is paid in real life cash, which you exchange for ISK. This exchange can only work if people generate isk, which is only possible through grind. More people following your advice would raise the :ISK exchange ratio and affect your calculation accordingly. You'd have to put in more RL work per ISK.

So in essence: BE careful what you wish for. You just might get it.

Kunming
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:33:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Jose Black
If you have the feeling you're grinding and wasting time in a game you should not stop thinking at how you could optimize it. Instead you should just leave the game it altogether and use your time properly elsewhere.

I for myself play for the fun of it. If I can pile up ISK and assets while having a good time it's even better.

Also taking part in a community that is spread all around the world even in far countries I'll probably never visit in person is not socializing? I do socialize far less being at work I'm afraid. Again if you miss socializing in game you're doing it wrong - in my opinion.


+1

The only thing I socialize with at work is the render server.

Alisha Firesale
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:35:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Gurgeh Murat
I totally agree with OP and to that end, Ive decided to utilise his revolutionary theories to revamp the way I live my life.

For instance, its a much more efficent use of my time to work for a few days, buy a gun and shoot kasparov rather than foolishly spending years learning strategies, engaging in multiple pointless matches and finally approaching some level of mastery of a game.

Owai...

From wikipedia : A game is structured playing, usually undertaken for enjoyment and sometimes used as an educational tool. Games are distinct from work, which is usually carried out for remuneration.

Believe it not there ARE some people who play for the fun of the competition. A r/l friend who is well on his way to being a millionare (the ****) hasnt spent a r/l penny on this game in years. Every hour he spends on here literally costs him hundreds of dollars. But what price fun and a sense of achievement?

So OP...technically your correct, but I also suspect your the kind of guy who puts ringers into friendly softball games. Its more efficient, amirite?


Ive been playing eve for years, i know how everything is run. It is far easier for me to buy a plex and get a pvp ship than do all that grindign for isk.

Yes maybe buying plexes isnt good for newbies who have no idea buy for people who have a clue about the game is it far more efficient. By running lvl4s for hours doesnt teach you how to pvp in 0.0

Flynn Fetladral
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:36:00 - [19]
 

lol while I've come to agree with this somewhat. I'd also say there is ways to make a lot of isk in EVE Online for not a massive amount of effort if you invest your time wisely. I seriously hate the grind, I wanna come on and do something like pvp, or whatever with my friends. But it comes down to the individual, some people like running L4 missions or mining, or whatever they do.

Cpt Greagor
Caldari
Liquid Relief
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:36:00 - [20]
 

And I suddenly start working overtime.

Alisha Firesale
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:37:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: MaiLina KaTar
Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 12/07/2011 14:34:38
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
It is better and more time efficient to work in reallife and use that money to buy plexes to sell for isk than to grind for hours:

Cost of 1 Plex = 20e (euros)
European average minimum wage = 6 euros an hour
So if you get paid slightly higer than the minimum wage it takes 3 hours buy 1 plex

Plex ISK price = 375m / 3 = 125m a hour

That's basically correct.

Quote:
No other profession in eve pays out 125million isk an hour. Not only that by working you are advancing your work career and socialising instead of sittig infront of a PC all day grinding for 15mill a hour.

Assuming that your post attempts to advise people to stop grinding and work RL instead: This is where your logic breaks down. ISK != Euro. Real life work is paid in real life cash, which you exchange for ISK. This exchange can only work if people generate isk, which is only possible through grind. More people following your advice would raise the :ISK exchange ratio and affect your calculation accordingly. You'd have to put in more RL work per ISK.

So in essence: BE careful what you wish for. You just might get it.


The logic does not break down. Working in RL WILL give you a better rate of return than grinding in most professions in eve. There is always going to be an abundance of isk in EVE

Eliza Capri
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:42:00 - [22]
 

Psht. I'm guessing no one ever told the OP about this little thing called MACRO MINING?

Makko Gray
Pheno-Tech Industries
Crimson Wings.
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:44:00 - [23]
 

I like to have an alt logged on hunting out miners and bumping them away from their 'roids whilst I grind.

I can't see nothing wrong with a little bump and grind...

Jose Black
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:45:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Alisha Firesale
[..] i dont know why you posted that last sentence
Well, pretty much because of that:
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
Not only that by working you are advancing your work career and socialising instead of sittig infront of a PC all day grinding for 15mill a hour.
If you insist you have to grind solo for the most effect you may have a valid point there. Still I don't agree. I solo if I feel like it and join a team if I feel like it. Also while for example running missions solo you could still socialize, even if you're not in a fleet.

Again -in my opinion - if grinding or "being indoor for isk" even comes to your mind while playing you're doing it wrong to begin with. It is a game - you should either enjoy it or leave it.

Gurgeh Murat
Minmatar
Blue Republic
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:49:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Alisha Firesale


Ive been playing eve for years, i know how everything is run. It is far easier for me to buy a plex and get a pvp ship than do all that grindign for isk.

Yes maybe buying plexes isnt good for newbies who have no idea buy for people who have a clue about the game is it far more efficient. By running lvl4s for hours doesnt teach you how to pvp in 0.0


I would agree its easier, but do we play eve for it to be easy?. I check my markets for half to an hour a day and make 2-4 hundred million. I also enjoy every second of gouging people on the markets. My isk came from enjoyment, not work. Its not easy, but still an enjoyable game.

I gotta say I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but working for my isk aint one Cool

This incidentally was one of the "stick in the craw" things from the recent forum ****fest, the potential of easy pay to win buttons. I know its here already in the form of plex, still dont make it right, not for me anyways.

Alisha Firesale
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:50:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Jose Black
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
[..] i dont know why you posted that last sentence
Well, pretty much because of that:
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
Not only that by working you are advancing your work career and socialising instead of sittig infront of a PC all day grinding for 15mill a hour.
If you insist you have to grind solo for the most effect you may have a valid point there. Still I don't agree. I solo if I feel like it and join a team if I feel like it. Also while for example running missions solo you could still socialize, even if you're not in a fleet.

Again -in my opinion - if grinding or "being indoor for isk" even comes to your mind while playing you're doing it wrong to begin with. It is a game - you should either enjoy it or leave it.


Ohh yea dont get me wrong, ill going a mission fleet or do some mining with a bunch of guys in corp but i dont think it gives out anywhere near the isk/hour ratio than working in RL to buy plexes.

I work more to be able to buy plexes to sell. I then have the isk to do anything i want, i can run missions with corp, mine, go pvp, trade in jita...etc My fun in eve has gone up because i dont do any solo grinding for isk, all i do in eve is to have fun without any isk worries

Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:52:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Kunming
And thats why I'm advocating that ETC/GTC/PLEX or any RMT legal/illegal is breaking the game, since the concept of GTC was ever published.

Ever since PLEX, EVE has been turning into Counter Strike in space abit more everyday.




This^^

It's clear that working at normal job is more profitable (if you covert $$$ to ISK) than sucking roids or blowing up NPC's. One hour at the office can earn me more than 1 plex. Let's say, plex is 375 mill. That means that in less than 1h I can earn more than 375mill ISK. There's no Eve profession that allows this. And unlike some ppl in this thread, I can work as many hours as I want and the boss will only say "Thank you" Wink.

Question is - if it's good for the game. Answer is (IMHO of course) - no, it's very bad for the game. Eve was always about consequences. But I don't care about consequences if all it takes is sitting for 20 more minutes in front of the monitor (something I will probably have to do in any case).

Corp AdminSec
Posted - 2011.07.12 15:01:00 - [28]
 

In my work I can buy 2 plexes an hour. Every so often id buy two and sell them for 750mill. I dont waste a single second missioning, trading or mining to make isk for personal gain because its a waste of time. This gives me more time to have fun in RL without having to grind for the next ship and gives me time to progress the corp by doign stuff noone else wants to do

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2011.07.12 15:03:00 - [29]
 

It depends what you enjoy.

(and any time for $ analysis has to take into account after tax money, ability and desire to work extra hours for extra pay (salary employees don't get extra pay nor are all hourly employees offered unlimmited over-time), family budgets and demands for disposable incomes like choices of summer camps for kids vs extra isk, etc.)

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.12 15:06:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Alisha Firesale
It is better and more time efficient to work in reallife and use that money to buy plexes to sell for isk than to grind for hours:

Cost of 1 Plex = 20e (euros)
European average minimum wage = 6 euros an hour
So if you get paid slightly higer than the minimum wage it takes 3 hours buy 1 plex

Plex ISK price = 375m / 3 = 125m a hour

No other profession in eve pays out 125million isk an hour. Not only that by working you are advancing your work career and socialising instead of sittig infront of a PC all day grinding for 15mill a hour.


You fail at eve and deserve to pay RL money for it. Thank you for the PLEX's jackass.



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