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Prince Kobol
Posted - 2011.07.12 13:01:00 - [31]
 

All your doing Yarrrrrhh is showing the entire Eve Forum community that you my friend are an arse :)

CCP will always generate extra revenue by making certain Nex items indestructible because many people will refuse to pay real money for items that can be lost by a suicide ganker.

Even if the item in question was only a few pounds it still does not matter as you as by the very nature of Eve, anybody can destroy anybody else.

On top of that, like another poster has already stated, if they could be destroyed all that is going happen is people are going to complain that everytime they undock they are going to have remove the items and they will stop buying items.

As for the argument regarding implants.. they have a direct effect in game where as clothes do not.

Can't see any issue here other then people complain for the sake of it.






Obviously Confidential
Posted - 2011.07.12 13:03:00 - [32]
 

I will try to be there, seriously hope that the CSM can push for some change, latest expansion/month was hardly a "comunication/PR issue" or "bad luck", currently game has stalled, is filled with unfihished or useless content, CCP seems focused elsewhere and the forums/comunity just suck with all the complaints going on.

People aren't shooting statues anymore, this has evolved into a general feeling of dissatisfaction that is corrosive.

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.07.12 13:09:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Prince Kobol


On top of that, like another poster has already stated, if they could be destroyed all that is going happen is people are going to complain that everytime they undock they are going to have remove the items and they will stop buying items.



Some players actually have some sort of pride. I understand that feeling must be alien to you but trust me, those players would undock with destructible NeX clothes, showing the people around them how badass they are by wearing what they're wearing while flying ships that make it hard to be ganked.

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.07.12 13:11:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: jackaloped on 12/07/2011 13:14:52
The election is over you guys won. Why keep campaigning with this townhall type electioneering?

Why doesn't the csm ever communicate with the players on the forums ccp set up for this very purpose? Jita Park has been almost empty since csm 5 left.

Not everyone can make it for your fireside chat. Moreover these sorts of chats don't allow others to follow up and get more of an in depth idea of what you are doing.

We are stuck with your canned soundbite responses. Pretty lame stuff CSM6!

Oh yeah and it doesn't help after mittani's first communication to the players after you "emergency summit" was "Nevermind those leaked memos"

I guess we have to assume you all agree with what he said since you never posted anything in response to him as individuals.

filingo rapongo
Vivicide
ROMANIAN-LEGION
Posted - 2011.07.12 13:15:00 - [35]
 

so when is gold ammo coming out?

i need a lowe to farm up some isk.

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.07.12 13:31:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Obviously Confidential
I will try to be there, seriously hope that the CSM can push for some change, latest expansion/month was hardly a "comunication/PR issue" or "bad luck", currently game has stalled, is filled with unfihished or useless content, CCP seems focused elsewhere and the forums/comunity just suck with all the complaints going on.

People aren't shooting statues anymore, this has evolved into a general feeling of dissatisfaction that is corrosive.


Tune into the fireside chat to listen to CSM's soundbite for you concerns. Will that make you happy?

CSM surely won't address that in any substantive way - like on the forums.

Prince Kobol
Posted - 2011.07.12 13:49:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Prince Kobol


On top of that, like another poster has already stated, if they could be destroyed all that is going happen is people are going to complain that everytime they undock they are going to have remove the items and they will stop buying items.



Some players actually have some sort of pride. I understand that feeling must be alien to you but trust me, those players would undock with destructible NeX clothes, showing the people around them how badass they are by wearing what they're wearing while flying ships that make it hard to be ganked.



Lol.. man you are a hell of a comedian.

by the way, where are the these people you speak of?

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.12 13:57:00 - [38]
 

I think these fireside chats are a great thing, but as another poster said, they should't be replacing other more long term forms of back and forth communication between CSM and players (i.e. forums). I feel that a lot more CSM representation should be happening on the forums, Jita Park specifically. It's been mostly a ghost town for months now.

General Trajan
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:01:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: General Trajan on 12/07/2011 14:01:43
did you forget to add that he only expects "his voters only" to attend?

http://twitter.com/#!/TheMittani/status/88362826040737792

Jewanna
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:02:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow

Your Humble Servant,
Trebor Daehdoow
Secretary of the 6th Council of Stellar Management

Posted by Order of His Eminence, The Chairman.



Laughing

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:21:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
You wrote that in school and it does not apply to the topic at hand. You have no clue about this.

I wrote that based on the experience of running a website using the model, a website that is still around and quite nicely profitable. And sorry to disappoint you, but not only was I not in school when I wrote it, but I had the benefit of 20 years of experience doing marginally relevant things like writing computer games and helping to create the Anime market in the US.

Bottom line: you are entitled to your opinion, but until you lay down some facts to support them, they are unlikely to convince anyone.

PS: The May Minutes are now available.

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:37:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 12/07/2011 14:37:22
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow

Bottom line: you are entitled to your opinion, but until you lay down some facts to support them, they are unlikely to convince anyone.
No arguing on that. That's absolutely valid. So what's your next step now that you've agreed that your former statements are unconvincing?

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:45:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Blane Xero on 12/07/2011 14:46:13
So PLEX are destructible, but Monocles are not.

Neither has a direct impact on the game, and arguably neither are cheap. There is no ~real~ reason to haul PLEX around rather than convenience and yet people still do it despite the fact they are destructible.

What makes virtual clothing different, and therefor exempt from the same rules as every other item in the game?

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:49:00 - [44]
 

Snake Sets cost multiple times the amount of what a monocle costs. People still use them. People fly faction fit Golems which have a paper tank as well, which are worth a lot more than monocles.

The whole argument of "if NeX would be destructible nobody would buy it" is just utter bull****, disproven by items in game right now that are worth more than them.

It's such a shame that we're represented by people who deny that.

Serwrath
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:55:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Serwrath on 12/07/2011 14:55:18
By following that logic we should all have to buy new clothes (starter ones too) EVERYTIME we get podded; and don't try to say "Oh, but they are stater clothes so they should be free!" 'cause it makes no sense when some of the starter ones look better then the NeX ones. If you grant me this then I agree to your argument.

Also, you are quite selective with what you quote and most of times only reply to part of an argument, I'd recommend you don't do that since it makes it look like you are dodging the question, which you are not, are you?

Edit: Crap posted with alt.

dgastuffz
Caldari
Hell's Revenge
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:56:00 - [46]
 

are we allowed to ask for low sec or fw related stuff ?

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.07.12 15:01:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Serwrath
Edited by: Serwrath on 12/07/2011 14:55:18
By following that logic we should all have to buy new clothes (starter ones too) EVERYTIME we get podded; and don't try to say "Oh, but they are stater clothes so they should be free!" 'cause it makes no sense when some of the starter ones look better then the NeX ones. If you grant me this then I agree to your argument.
You're just proving how bad this whole concept is. It doesn't make sense as it is right now. At all. Shoes for the price of multiple battleships just don't make sense. No matter how you twist it. NeX failed, CCP failed, the whole concept is flawed. I'm just pointing out that the people who defend NeX can't even justify it with economic means.

Kevric
Talocan Scrap Metal and Recycling
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.07.12 15:04:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: AnzacPaul
does csm know how vanity items survive being podkilled? Cause ccp wont answer my thread :(

They do this because if worn clothing was destructible, nobody would ever undock wearing any NEX-store goods.


Spaceships are expensive. If CCP continues to allow ships to be destroyed no one who buys an expensive ship will ever undock. This injustice MUST be addressed!

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.07.12 15:04:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: dgastuffz
are we allowed to ask for low sec or fw related stuff ?


Yes, of course, they will have a soundbite prepared for that as well.

If it will make you happy to hear the soundbite make sure you show up.

Kevric
Talocan Scrap Metal and Recycling
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.07.12 15:16:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
You wrote that in school and it does not apply to the topic at hand. You have no clue about this.

I wrote that based on the experience of running a website using the model, a website that is still around and quite nicely profitable. And sorry to disappoint you, but not only was I not in school when I wrote it, but I had the benefit of 20 years of experience doing marginally relevant things like writing computer games and helping to create the Anime market in the US.

Bottom line: you are entitled to your opinion, but until you lay down some facts to support them, they are unlikely to convince anyone.

PS: The May Minutes are now available.


Trebor, is it more "revenue-optimal" to sell 10 $100 monocles or 1,000 $15 monocles?

Portmanteau
Gallente
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.07.12 15:31:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Portmanteau on 12/07/2011 15:32:26
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: AnzacPaul
does csm know how vanity items survive being podkilled? Cause ccp wont answer my thread :(

They do this because if worn clothing was destructible, nobody would ever undock wearing any NEX-store goods.

And because nullsec folks tend to be in danger of being podded, this means they would not buy fancy monocles, because they would always be putting them on and taking them off -- too much of a pain.

And if CCP decided to address this by making it easy to change clothes (so you had party clothes and work clothes), then apart from the occasional person who forgets to change clothes before undocking, you'd never have an opportunity to grief someone and blow up their monocle anyway.

AFAIK this will not apply to items like ship paintjobs, only to clothes and other bodily adornments.


Er .. just make them cheaper and destructible. It's very un Eve to have an implant that "as if by magic" is the only thing to survive a podding (in game effects or not). If the items were much cheaper and destructible, the loss of income from price would be made up for by a) ppl replacing lost items and b) players with less money actually buying nex store goods. BUT.. there's the added benefit of keeping the Eve purists happy and making a lot of players who feel disenfranchised by the nex current store prices (I know dramatic lol) happier that they now get to participate, where only the self proclaimed "elite" could.

And consider this... Eve is about risk/reward right ? I see you point out that vanity items have no in game effects. true ofc, but that doesn't mean they have no in game "reward", if they did not, exactly why would anyone bother to buy them ? The massive monocle trollfest was enough to clearly prove the fact that folks get an enormous amount of fun from the monocle, THAT IS A REWARD

WHERE'S THE RISK ??

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.07.12 15:47:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Portmanteau


And consider this... Eve is about risk/reward right ? I see you point out that vanity items have no in game effects. true ofc, but that doesn't mean they have no in game "reward", if they did not, exactly why would anyone bother to buy them ? The massive monocle trollfest was enough to clearly prove the fact that folks get an enormous amount of fun from the monocle, THAT IS A REWARD

WHERE'S THE RISK ??


THIS! So much this!

Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.12 16:02:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Snake Sets cost multiple times the amount of what a monocle costs. People still use them. People fly faction fit Golems which have a paper tank as well, which are worth a lot more than monocles.

The whole argument of "if NeX would be destructible nobody would buy it" is just utter bull****, disproven by items in game right now that are worth more than them.

Snake sets improve your combat ability. They have a use.
People fly faction fit Golems because faction modules are more efficient or powerful.

The second part of your post is completely irrelevant. Useless monocles are not Estamel Invulnerability fields.


(P.S. Stop double-posting. You're giving the forums literally twice the amount of whining.)

Balthasar Moreq
Posted - 2011.07.12 16:06:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: filingo rapongo
so when is gold ammo coming out?

i need a lowe to farm up some isk.


^^This, I need some more ISK fast.

Pure Tabasco
Posted - 2011.07.12 16:26:00 - [55]
 

Do we all need a Fireplace screensaver for the event?

I will be there to listen

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.07.12 16:26:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Snake Sets cost multiple times the amount of what a monocle costs. People still use them. People fly faction fit Golems which have a paper tank as well, which are worth a lot more than monocles.

The whole argument of "if NeX would be destructible nobody would buy it" is just utter bull****, disproven by items in game right now that are worth more than them.

Snake sets improve your combat ability. They have a use.
People fly faction fit Golems because faction modules are more efficient or powerful.

The second part of your post is completely irrelevant. Useless monocles are not Estamel Invulnerability fields.

Monocles give an instant 500% bonus on ****ing people off. They're not useless you peasant.

Kerrisone
Posted - 2011.07.12 16:39:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Portmanteau


And consider this... Eve is about risk/reward right ? I see you point out that vanity items have no in game effects. true ofc, but that doesn't mean they have no in game "reward", if they did not, exactly why would anyone bother to buy them ? The massive monocle trollfest was enough to clearly prove the fact that folks get an enormous amount of fun from the monocle, THAT IS A REWARD

WHERE'S THE RISK ??


THIS! So much this!


Currently risk is obviously showing people you are a tool who'd rather have a monocle than put that plex money towards something good like 'plex for good', rewarding a new pilot or something really useful like a ship you fit and fly for fun so someone else can ruin your fun.

Then there is the small chance people will harass the monocled fool in game, griefing etc.

Finally in forums 2.0 people can ignore everything monocle wearing trolls ever say, simply because they wear a monocle. So long buddy! http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=author&p=CCP%20Zinfandel

Amar Azaph
Posted - 2011.07.12 16:40:00 - [58]
 

The only question I have is this- When is the next election coming up for new CSM's ?

RAW23
Posted - 2011.07.12 17:12:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: RAW23 on 12/07/2011 17:24:30
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow


The whole point of the NEX store is to generate income. Non-destructible clothes are almost certainly revenue-optimal. And clearly, non-destructible items cannot be allowed to have in-game effects without breaking the sandbox.



Really? Because CCP keep denying precisely that. Is this a personal view or something that CCP told you? If it is a personal view then have you challenged CCP on the fact that you think they are lying to us? If it is something you heard from CCP then have you challenged them on the fact that they either lied to you when telling you this or they are currently lying to the players when they deny this (e.g. Zinfandel's devblog answers p. 1)?

Originally by: csm minutes


CCP is introducing Aurum and vanity virtual goods to reduce EVE's reliance on the subscription business model. The intent is to expand the business model, not replace subscription income with virtual goods income; the objective is primarily risk mitigation as opposed to increasing income.

Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.12 17:35:00 - [60]
 

Hmmm. There are so many good reasons to be ticked off at this CSM, I just don't see either the destructibility of worn vanity items or the price of vanity items on that list.

But yeah, if you want to be ****ed off at the right people for the wrong reasons, glhf. I'm sure they are THRILLED that you want to blow your wad on this crap and not talk about what matters.


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