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Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
Posted - 2011.07.13 13:48:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: ACY GTMI
I will have been palying for two years on the 18th. 60% of my training time has been spent on industrial pursuits, but I have been building combat skills as well.

I figure I will have enough skills to try them out in about a year.

If you are low on patience, I'm not sure this game is a good fit for you.



I bolded the ******.

I have scout / tackle and DPS alts that have less than 3mil SP. They do pretty well for themselves in PVP.

Velicitia
Gallente
Open Designs
Posted - 2011.07.13 15:07:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Velicitia on 13/07/2011 19:14:22
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Originally by: ACY GTMI
I will have been palying for two years on the 18th. 60% of my training time has been spent on industrial pursuits, but I have been building combat skills as well.

I figure I will have enough skills to try them out in about a year.

If you are low on patience, I'm not sure this game is a good fit for you.



I bolded the ******.

I have scout / tackle and DPS alts that have less than 3mil SP. They do pretty well for themselves in PVP.


QFT.

Took an alt, and it looks like I can have an "OK" PvP toon in a month or two (level 2/3 in most relevant frig skills). I'd say within 3-6 months I'd be able to be considered "good" at PvP (well, at least character skills anyway, player skills will take a lot longer)

see my other post... i completely borked the calcs here...

Garion Irongrip
Posted - 2011.07.13 18:04:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Logahmmed Chance
Edited by: Logahmmed Chance on 12/07/2011 05:44:19
I'm done. I tried. I really did.

I don't mind getting obliterated. I really don't. I'll fleet up, try to do my part, get taken out. No biggie. I know I'm young in the game, I expect the big boys to decimate me.

I don't mind waiting. For big ship battles, a lot of fitting and prep is required before you make that jump. You've got to train your character to get a decent ship for PvP. I get that. I'm okay with it - to a point.

But the culture of the game has such an overwhelming disdain for new players that I just can't stick around. In Rookie Help, I've watched people just asking basic questions get ignored for conversations that have no business in Rookie Help. Then when they get frustrated, they're ridiculed for daring suggest that the channel be used for - you guessed it - newbie questions.

I try joining a new-pilot friendly corps. I ask how often they PvP. They say "every weekend." I'm around for a weekend, ask about going out and getting some fighting done, and they say, "no, you need to train more." I ask what to train, so that I can at least pick a specification and be helpful enough to be brought along. They say "everything." [/Quote]

Have you read the ISK? http://www.isktheguide.com - and I highly recommend picking up EVEMON, so you can plan your skills towards working what YOU find fun.

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Finally, I give up and try faction warfare. Every fleet I jump into - they let me in, and I'm kicked out ten minutes later. No explanation. The last straw was when I was allowed into a fleet, asked what we were doing, they said, "just grouping up and going to PvP" - who then proceeded to pod me after thirty minutes of travel to them. Was the whole thing suspicious? Absolutely. But at this point, tonight, I was desperate to just actually play. And I did, by getting betrayed by the fleet that allowed me to join, who then played dumb and accused me of being a "spy."
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That's the worst and best part of this game... you can do ANYTHING, and you can be a criminal with actual reasons to be one. It's not like WoW where if you are a dastardly player killer, it really has no effect on the player you kill other than them having to go find their body and rez. If they can take advantage of your newness for their gain, then kudos to them - even though I am sorry its ruined your fun.

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This game, for me, has been little more than a series of barriers preventing me from playing the game. If I was able to get into a PvP battle once, just once, even if I got absolutely obliterated early in the running, maybe I could stick it out, but I just can't. There's zero respect for new players who don't want to mine all the time, and any time these issues are brought up, it's responded to with "you need to train more, then it gets fun."
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Just like in real life, you have to earn your own respect. And, unlike most games where you can grind for a few days and be relevant, this IS a game built for the long haul. But there is PLENTY you can do right from the start, and its not just mining. Get some basic combat skills and learn salvaging or something and go ratting. Then you can get combat in, loot them and salvage the wrecks.

Read the ISK, and try to find out what YOU want from the game... the possibilities are endless.

Velicitia
Gallente
Open Designs
Posted - 2011.07.13 19:14:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Garion Irongrip

Originally by: Logahmmed Chance

This game, for me, has been little more than a series of barriers preventing me from playing the game. If I was able to get into a PvP battle once, just once, even if I got absolutely obliterated early in the running, maybe I could stick it out, but I just can't. There's zero respect for new players who don't want to mine all the time, and any time these issues are brought up, it's responded to with "you need to train more, then it gets fun."



Just like in real life, you have to earn your own respect. And, unlike most games where you can grind for a few days and be relevant, this IS a game built for the long haul. But there is PLENTY you can do right from the start, and its not just mining. Get some basic combat skills and learn salvaging or something and go ratting. Then you can get combat in, loot them and salvage the wrecks.

Read the ISK, and try to find out what YOU want from the game... the possibilities are endless.



Bolded bit is ever so slightly wrong. You can be relevant to a fleet inside of a few days, definitely inside of a week.

I've got a completely noob/untrained alt to demonstrate getting into a Rifter (apparently the flavor of the last few years for solo PVP). Note that the toon IS NOT MINMATAR.

Rifter -> 9 hours
Rifter + Certs -> 5 days, 15 hours
All those skills to 4 -> 31 days, 12 hours

So, one month of training and you're going to be (about) 80% as effective as "the best" player who's skilled into Rifters. Taking everything to 5 drags you up to a few more months.

with that one month of training, you'll be exceptionally useful/deadly in small to med sized gangs, and still useful (though maybe not so deadly) to bigger engagements where you're the tackler.

Assuming you just want to be able to (poorly) fly a cruiser after the rifter, it's another week of training, maybe 2 if you want to take the cruiser-specific skills to 4 again. Benefit of getting all the core skills to 4 BEFORE getting the cruiser is that they carry over (only thing that won't is "small projectile turret" since cruisers use medium turrets).

So yeah, taking things slow (at first) is a better plan, since the core skills that you're going to train will carry over to the majority of ships you fly. Gunning directly into a cruiser or BC or BS means you're significantly weaker than you should be... and are more apt to lose the ship exceptionally quickly.


Wa'roun
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.13 19:46:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Logahmmed Chance
Edited by: Logahmmed Chance on 12/07/2011 05:44:19
I'm done. I tried. I really did.

I don't mind getting obliterated. I really don't. I'll fleet up, try to do my part, get taken out. No biggie. I know I'm young in the game, I expect the big boys to decimate me.

I don't mind waiting. For big ship battles, a lot of fitting and prep is required before you make that jump. You've got to train your character to get a decent ship for PvP. I get that. I'm okay with it - to a point.

Yet another misconception you need a ton of SP to do anything in the game. My corp years ago used to take out certain T2 ships with rifters and other T1 ships.

But the culture of the game has such an overwhelming disdain for new players that I just can't stick around. In Rookie Help, I've watched people just asking basic questions get ignored for conversations that have no business in Rookie Help. Then when they get frustrated, they're ridiculed for daring suggest that the channel be used for - you guessed it - newbie questions.

Most online games have jerks. You need a tougher skin. In Rookie Chat there are usually ISDs to handle them. Sometimes in the off hours there are none there.

I try joining a new-pilot friendly corps. I ask how often they PvP. They say "every weekend." I'm around for a weekend, ask about going out and getting some fighting done, and they say, "no, you need to train more." I ask what to train, so that I can at least pick a specification and be helpful enough to be brought along. They say "everything."

Screw them. If they aren't willing to teach, join Eve University and when you have enough ISK, take Agony Unleashed pvp classes.

Finally, I give up and try faction warfare. Every fleet I jump into - they let me in, and I'm kicked out ten minutes later. No explanation. The last straw was when I was allowed into a fleet, asked what we were doing, they said, "just grouping up and going to PvP" - who then proceeded to pod me after thirty minutes of travel to them. Was the whole thing suspicious? Absolutely. But at this point, tonight, I was desperate to just actually play. And I did, by getting betrayed by the fleet that allowed me to join, who then played dumb and accused me of being a "spy."

Take note that I heard a rumor that some corps join FW in order to grief people in FW to do this very thing. By what you describe, this was not in Gallente FW as I have not heard of this happening in it. Also note that they can't do this long before they are auto-booted by the system for dropping their FW faction below a certain level. The way FW works is usually you join general militia chat fleets if not in a FW corp and get your reputation up. Spies have no place in fleets so you have to prove yourself over time.

Call it whining, call it what you want. But it's obvious newbies at this point are regarded as little more than either people to exploit or ignore. Calls for help get ignored, and the best advice I'm given is to take classes for a month. I'm all for learning, but "classes?" Seriously? You want to learn the game don't you? Eve University general ed, Agony Unleashed pvp. Eve Online wiki and other guides>read.

Could've sworn I bought a game. I'm not renewing my subscription, unless someone, for the love of God, shows me that it's possible a low-level newbie who can fly battlecruisers can be allowed to play. You have to fly them, what ever it may be, well first; not just be able to sit in them. It just seems like I'm a first grader, and the sixth graders aren't letting anyone onto the kickball field. Wasn't fun then, not fun now.

Wa'roun
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.13 19:53:00 - [36]
 

continued...

There are plenty of YouTube videos of 1-2 week old characters taking down "bigger guys". Recently someone linked a squad of thoraxes in null sec taking down a group of people until 20 of their friends finally arrived.

Mintchip reposted a video where they had like week old characters taking down a T2 ship (can't find it right now).

ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
Posted - 2011.07.14 02:59:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Wa'roun
continued...

There are plenty of YouTube videos of 1-2 week old characters taking down "bigger guys". Recently someone linked a squad of thoraxes in null sec taking down a group of people until 20 of their friends finally arrived.

Mintchip reposted a video where they had like week old characters taking down a T2 ship (can't find it right now).


Yep. I'd be willing to bet on doing that after 3 weeks. Come to think of it, I tried it after 3 weeks, that's why I'm waiting another year before I try it again.

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2011.07.14 05:08:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: ACY GTMI
Yep. I'd be willing to bet on doing that after 3 weeks. Come to think of it, I tried it after 3 weeks, that's why I'm waiting another year before I try it again.


Protip: the issue wasn't character skill. You need to fly a lot before you are, as a player, able to use your ship 100%. If it was your first try (or so) you were flying at 30% player skill. Even if you end up having 100% character skill, you are still 70% worse than others who fight daily.

ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
Posted - 2011.07.14 08:12:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: foksieloy
Originally by: ACY GTMI
Yep. I'd be willing to bet on doing that after 3 weeks. Come to think of it, I tried it after 3 weeks, that's why I'm waiting another year before I try it again.


Protip: the issue wasn't character skill. You need to fly a lot before you are, as a player, able to use your ship 100%. If it was your first try (or so) you were flying at 30% player skill. Even if you end up having 100% character skill, you are still 70% worse than others who fight daily.


That's exactly the point. I don't really see much chance that the average player is going to be able to have much effect after 3 weeks of Rifter training, assuming that also means 3 weeks of flying experience.

You weren't the one who suggested it, but the one who did seems like the kind of person who might suggest that you are ready for college after completing the third grade.

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2011.07.14 08:53:00 - [40]
 

But if you never start, you will never learn.

You have to come to terms to be curbstomped in the beginning. It shouldn't take you more than a few losses before you earn your first solo win. It will be so sweet, you will never want to go back.

If you decide to fleet up instead, you might earn your first killmail on your first roam. You probably haven't contributed a lot, but it is a start.

Velicitia
Gallente
Open Designs
Posted - 2011.07.14 12:37:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: foksieloy
It shouldn't take you more than a few losses before you earn your first solo win. It will be so sweet, you will never want to go back.


^^This...

Personally, my first solo win was against a Muninn while flying a (lolfailfit) Brutix.

Their fleet beat the **** outta me later that day though Laughing... so I went back to market pvp (srsly, my skills *SUCKED* then)

Reeper 2435
Posted - 2011.07.14 12:47:00 - [42]
 

My first solo kill was an ares, got him with my ishkur. Chased him all over the null sec system. He had destroyed several folks already. I think he got tired and sloppy allowing me to point and web him. But fun guy, was a good gank and greet by him. Hope he's still having fun.
Originally by: Velicitia
Originally by: foksieloy
It shouldn't take you more than a few losses before you earn your first solo win. It will be so sweet, you will never want to go back.


^^This...

Personally, my first solo win was against a Muninn while flying a (lolfailfit) Brutix.

Their fleet beat the **** outta me later that day though Laughing... so I went back to market pvp (srsly, my skills *SUCKED* then)

Phugoid
Posted - 2011.07.14 14:06:00 - [43]
 

Well, sorry u feel that way.....

Im fairly new to Eve, joined in Oct 2010, and basically Im addicted to the game, because I love it! So it doesnt matter what anyone can/will do, I will still play and have fun in Eve.

And yes, I've been ganked, met idiots in chat, can-flipped, podded, etc etc... but so has EVERYONE in Eve at one time or another.
Luckily, Ive also met plenty of people who have helped me out along the way.

Eve is alot like real life. If you dont believe in something, ur not going to win or persevere. Nothing personal, bnut I think you need to "grow up" a little, and dont be so sensitive.
If someone is mean to you in chat, then put them on ignore, or just flag them as a bad contact.

You have to have PATIENCE to play this game. What u said about chat is wrong. Most of the time in HELP a question is answered, but u have to realize that theres literally hundreds of people all at once in htat room, and u cant be first all the time.

What u are running into in Eve, is what you are going to run into in real life you know. Is that how you are going to handle problems and bullies in real life? By running away?

My 2 cents worth is to NOT give up, persevere, ad there are plenty of people who will help you along they way. If you really like the GAME itself, dont let bullies/idiots ruin for ya... fight back by not giving up! :)

Hope to see u around o/

Aeryn Sun Aumer
Posted - 2011.07.14 23:13:00 - [44]
 

I must agree with LC. The game itself is fun, although its players the other hand (especially the older ones!) leave much to be desired. They suck all enjoyment/enthusiasm any new player has to the point they do not want continue and eventually quit. To top it off they always make excuses for their behavior and actions in game and put the fault back on the new player. Total BS! Maybe they will be happy when the player count drops to nil and the game is put to mothballs due to its ever dwindling player base.

So sad because I think it has to potential to be rather fun game.

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2011.07.15 06:22:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Aeryn Sun Aumer
Maybe they will be happy when the player count drops to nil and the game is put to mothballs due to its ever dwindling player base.


Everyone quick! This one figured out our plan! To the batmobile!

REiiGN15
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.15 08:23:00 - [46]
 

I've been playing since Nov. 2010 and man, in this game, when you learn a lesson, you learn it hard.

Spent so many months in a WH corp and everyday did sites with ease...until one day.

I remember reading a WH guide someone wrote that mentioned "You will die" every other sentence.

Sure enough, that day came to me. PvP is fine, getting ganked plain blows, that and being warp-bubbled.

WH fighting is plain sadistic. For one, its hard as hell to get backup. Like going to a Casino, just know that you probably walk out with less cash.

I've probably learned a lot more from a loss than a win. It takes a loss to know you are doing it wrong.

Cipher7
Posted - 2011.07.15 11:38:00 - [47]
 


If you want pvp now now now, join Red vs Blue

Otherwise join Eve University

Mintala Arana
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.15 14:13:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: ACY GTMI
That's exactly the point. I don't really see much chance that the average player is going to be able to have much effect after 3 weeks of Rifter training, assuming that also means 3 weeks of flying experience.
Define "much effect". At around 5 weeks old my main was instrumental in killing a HAC flown by a war target. I went out as bait in a Rifter, he took the bait, I tackled, everyone else came in and DPSed him until he 'sploded. That's plenty of effect for me. (I lost a dozen Rifters in that war, BTW, so it wasn't exactly one-sided.)

You shouldn't give up just because you don't have the player skills yet. Admittedly I was an aggressive S.O.B. as a noob, but if you want the skills there's only one way to get them: get in fights.

Kandreath
Posted - 2011.07.16 09:10:00 - [49]
 

Check out Eve University or Help My Mission.

I've had experience with Help My Mission and it's all been good.

Eve University is setup more formally to help new players.

Dani Leone
Gallente
Positively Idle
Posted - 2011.07.16 10:43:00 - [50]
 

Just to add a few thoughts, as Eve can be quite harsh on the new player.

A 3 week old char flying a BC looks like easy pickings to the cruel, particularly if you are in the basic militia corp and too trusting of others, you wont have the support skills needed to make a decent fist of a fight versus the heavy hitters.
The business about you being a 'spy' is simply extra tear extraction on their behalf. Look to sign on to your militia's forums and join one of the newbie friendly corps if militia life is your aim, and it may take a little while but you'll get to know who you can trust.

Corps that PVP on weekends, dont pvp at all.

Switch down to frigates, specifically the RIFTER or MERLING, both are excellent starter PVP ships. Do a little reading on how to fit them, on Failheap, look for posts by Lady Shaniqua and Sassy B, always good battle tested fits by excellent pilots, and read Wensley's ****ing excellent Rifter Drifter guide, which contains about everything you can learn from a guide on how to pilot frigates in small scale pvp, the rest really does only come with experience.

Go fight folks in low sec asteroid belts, systems next door to Rancer, Old Man Star, Amamake, Tama.

You will lose more often than you win in these early fights, way more often, but don't be afraid after the fight to convo the guy you just fought, and ask them some questions on fittings they used, why they did what they did etc. Eve is a social game, these guys are there because they love dueling and small scale pvp, they will almost all be delighted to share their love of this with you, chatting **** about various ship types, favourite fights etc.
Ignore large scale piratical activity in systems like Amamake for now, yes from time to time large gangs will catch and kill you, but its not worth worrying about, just kit out the next rifter, update your clone and move on.

It probably wont take long before you'll get invited to a public channel belonging to one of the corporations who's pilots you've fought against, particularly if you are improving (which you will be) and get opportunities to fly with them as a tackler etc, and sooner or later you are wearing their corporate colours and beating down young punks trying to get a leg up the ladder same as you were 'back in the day.'

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.07.16 13:01:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: ACY GTMI
Originally by: Wa'roun
continued...

There are plenty of YouTube videos of 1-2 week old characters taking down "bigger guys". Recently someone linked a squad of thoraxes in null sec taking down a group of people until 20 of their friends finally arrived.

Mintchip reposted a video where they had like week old characters taking down a T2 ship (can't find it right now).


Yep. I'd be willing to bet on doing that after 3 weeks. Come to think of it, I tried it after 3 weeks, that's why I'm waiting another year before I try it again.



If you're waiting for EVE to happen to you, I can save you a wait. Not a god damb thing will happen until you get out there and make it happen. All you're doing in the meanwhile is making excuses.

Nova Kira
Ashes Against The Grain
Posted - 2011.07.17 10:48:00 - [52]
 

@ OP,

There are many corps out there that are both rookie-friendly and willing to thrust you straight into the fray of battle. EVE University, T.R.I.A.D, etc. Don't get discouraged, I promise you it'll get better.

Also I stay away from Rookie Chat... the Help channel is very friendly.

William Walker
Amarr
House Aratus
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.07.18 11:25:00 - [53]
 

I will help you out bro, space is a harsh, cold and disgusting place full of vile and horrible characters that are shady and backstabbing. You can either beat em, or join em. We can surf around nullsec and pretend we are pirates woah baby

Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
Posted - 2011.07.18 11:38:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: ACY GTMI
Originally by: Wa'roun
continued...

There are plenty of YouTube videos of 1-2 week old characters taking down "bigger guys". Recently someone linked a squad of thoraxes in null sec taking down a group of people until 20 of their friends finally arrived.

Mintchip reposted a video where they had like week old characters taking down a T2 ship (can't find it right now).


Yep. I'd be willing to bet on doing that after 3 weeks. Come to think of it, I tried it after 3 weeks, that's why I'm waiting another year before I try it again.



If you're waiting for EVE to happen to you, I can save you a wait. Not a god damb thing will happen until you get out there and make it happen. All you're doing in the meanwhile is making excuses.


This is the person who has made an alliance for him and his alts. To mine. The only thing that is going to happen "in a year" is he will be trolled harder in local when he fails terribly.

Just hope I'm nearby.

Shawnm339
Posted - 2011.07.18 12:02:00 - [55]
 

just moved all my stuff to a nice 0.5 lvl 4 agent ive been where you are im now on my own in a 1 man mission and pvp corp hit me up if you want to come flying..dont do alts and sneaky podding if your fit is rubbish ill tell you and i expect the same back..not everyones a w@nker there are tons of nice guys and gals in this game who will give you millions of isk to buy ships and let you tag along on their missions then salvage while you all get drunk and have a laugh on ts...youve had a bad few months it happens...this isnt a quick game it rewards long term planning and persistence I've found myself back in a destroyer with nothing in my wallet and got myself back up....I'd actually hate to have billions in the bank cos I think I'd lose the hunger to keep fighting and scrapping

Sarah Schneider
Posted - 2011.07.18 12:37:00 - [56]
 

saying eve is harsh for new player is probably an understatement. i'm a new player myself, just about in my mid third month or so. in my experience playing eve so far, this game is, without a doubt the HARDEST game to learn so far based on my 8 years of playing MMOs. when other games pat you in the back when you die, eve just punch you in the face for being stupid enough to die in the first place. but since this is also the first sandbox-mmorpg i play, i guess those previous games probably doesn't count anyway.

as for what the TS mentioned. i guess i'm just lucky i found a great community to start with and there's plenty of wikis, guides and how-to's available, so even though it's hard, it can be done, and i'm quite some fun time doing it actually. sure, there are lots of jerks on eve, but isn't there also lots of them in real life? on other games? not to mention there's also a lot of good people on the eve community, people who knows this game is hard for new players and for the same reason that's what makes them willing to sacrifice their time to help noobs like me to go through the first months playing.

Vin Kuntzininov
Posted - 2011.07.18 14:25:00 - [57]
 

I feel your pain but maybe my story may help convince you to stick with this great game. I am an old toon but have quit several times and come back. My skills aren't as high as one might think since I've been in and out of the game quite a bit.

About five or six years ago myself and some friends started playing EVE. After a bit each of us quit playing then we start up again. This last time (about a week ago) I decided to start playing again and have decided to go it alone for awhile.

My suggestion to you would be to start running missions. Security missions specifically. You will make reasonable amounts of isk and hone your fighting skills with each level of mission running you advance. In the meantime I suggest developing an alt for pvping. I'm horrible at pvp but I love it. My favorite thing to do is hop in low sec space, make some hiding places then challenge people to find me. I'm respectful about it. You would be amazed, if you are respectful, how many people will give you tips while they are trying to hunt you down. Finally, they will probably find you then it's game on and nine times out of ten you will lose until that day when things go right for you. I could on and on talking about my escapades with this approach. It has literally been a "blast"!

Daemonspirit
Six Degrees of Separation
Posted - 2011.07.20 13:19:00 - [58]
 

Eve - University. They *do* have classes, but the Wiki is open to all...

But don't just go there for the classes (good as they are). Go there to meet other people as new to the game as you are. Meeting a bunch of people in the same boat as you, at the same point in their careers helps. LOTS! ALSO: They have a place called "the work faire" - it's a forum where corps recruit directly from E-U. MANY good players have found homes there!


Good luck, don't give up!

ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
Posted - 2011.07.26 12:53:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: ACY GTMI on 26/07/2011 12:53:33
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher


This is the person who has made an alliance for him and his alts. To mine. The only thing that is going to happen "in a year" is he will be trolled harder in local when he fails terribly.

Just hope I'm nearby.


I can see how this might be disturbing to someone who doesn't have the intellectual capabilities required to duplicate it.

Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
Posted - 2011.07.26 13:51:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: ACY GTMI
Edited by: ACY GTMI on 26/07/2011 12:53:33
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher


This is the person who has made an alliance for him and his alts. To mine. The only thing that is going to happen "in a year" is he will be trolled harder in local when he fails terribly.

Just hope I'm nearby.


I can see how this might be disturbing to someone who doesn't have the intellectual capabilities required to duplicate it.


Right. Getting all my alts together to go mine some ****ing rocks is challenging.

/facepalm


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