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Larla Rosethorn
Minmatar
Renegade Pleasure Androids
Posted - 2011.07.30 06:57:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Barbie D0ll
minmatar have the best sub-cap t1 ship line there is, they have the best PVP and PVE ships if you don't include the tengu, drake, and golem, they have the dramel, daredevil, mach, hurricane (double damage bonus with two spare highs), have the ability to deal damage as well as or better than anyone else (alpha fleets), they have capless weapons, can do all damage types, their long range ammo gets a tracking bonus, have better tracking than everyone else, a majority of their sub-cap ships have double damage bonuses, sig tank and DPS tank everything else in PVP and you are complaining that the mimatar carrier needs to be even with everyone else when clearly minmatar and faction related sub-caps are OP.
minmatar shine with everything sub-cap, stop complaining about minmatar carriers not being OP


As was explained multiple times by multiple people in this thread, ship balance should be done per ship class, not per race. Go ahead and re-read it again then come back.

Larla Rosethorn
Minmatar
Renegade Pleasure Androids
Posted - 2011.08.03 00:10:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Larla Rosethorn on 03/08/2011 00:13:07
Edited by: Larla Rosethorn on 03/08/2011 00:11:27
Originally by: Barbie D0ll
minmatar have the best sub-cap t1 ship line there is, they have the best PVP and PVE ships if you don't include the tengu, drake, and golem, they have the dramel, daredevil, mach, hurricane (double damage bonus with two spare highs), have the ability to deal damage as well as or better than anyone else (alpha fleets), they have capless weapons, can do all damage types, their long range ammo gets a tracking bonus, have better tracking than everyone else, a majority of their sub-cap ships have double damage bonuses, sig tank and DPS tank everything else in PVP and you are complaining that the mimatar carrier needs to be even with everyone else when clearly minmatar and faction related sub-caps are OP.
minmatar shine with everything sub-cap, stop complaining about minmatar carriers not being OP


Double damage bonus?? Where did you pull that out from? Better tracking than everyone else?? Blasters have better tracking than autocannons and railguns have better tracking than artillery. All damage types?? Show me how Minmatar can do kinetic damage plzzz. I'm sorry but what kind of junk have you been smoking? According to you everybody who PVPs should be flying minmatar. However majority of PVP battleships in armor fleets are Abaddons and majority of PVP BCs are Drakes.

Regardless of all this nonsense, what does this have to do with Nidhoggur? It seems that you agree with the basic premise that Nidhoggur sucks. You would never fly Nidhoggur for any reason. Why is Nidhoggur in the game? Remove it or make it useful.

Newt Rondanse
Posted - 2011.08.03 13:50:00 - [33]
 

Rate-of-Fire bonus and direct damage bonus on the Hurricane.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Titanium_Sabot_M
Plenty of Kinetic damage and +20% tracking

Do try to look like you know what you are talking about if you are going to present yourself as a subject matter expert.

Larla Rosethorn
Minmatar
Renegade Pleasure Androids
Posted - 2011.08.06 20:31:00 - [34]
 

Latest edit: I think what CCP should do is just like with other ships, give Nidhoggur a niche it excels at. That way players will be encouraged to train multiple carriers and keep interest in the game. Right now Nidhoggur is inferior in every possible situation, it has no use.

Larla Rosethorn
Minmatar
Renegade Pleasure Androids
Posted - 2011.08.06 20:40:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Newt Rondanse
Rate-of-Fire bonus and direct damage bonus on the Hurricane.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Titanium_Sabot_M
Plenty of Kinetic damage and +20% tracking

Do try to look like you know what you are talking about if you are going to present yourself as a subject matter expert.


Titanium sabot is a snipe ammo with low dps. There is no close range high dps equivalent. You can safely say that Minmatar can't deal kinetic damage in most situations Einstein.

Tracking on 1400mm artillery II: 0.009rad/sec
Tracking on 425mm railgun II: 0.00965rad/sec, better range than artillery
Tracking on Tach II 0.0139rad/sec, better range and higher dps than artillery

Regardless as it was pointed out multiple times it's pointless to argue about Nidhoggur based on other Minmatar ships. I don't think you are paying attention.


Larla Rosethorn
Minmatar
Renegade Pleasure Androids
Posted - 2011.08.15 07:13:00 - [36]
 

Nidhoggur still needs a buff. Hello CCP anyone there?

Larla Rosethorn
Minmatar
Renegade Pleasure Androids
Posted - 2011.08.22 05:30:00 - [37]
 

just making sure people don't forget :)

Amber Villaneous
Posted - 2011.08.22 05:58:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Larla Rosethorn
As was explained multiple times by multiple people in this thread, ship balance should be done per ship class, not per race. Go ahead and re-read it again then come back.


If you balance by ship class are you not by default balancing across races also?

If you balance by race are you not by default balancing across ship classes also?

See how I switched a few key words there but they are saying the same thing.

Larla Rosethorn
Minmatar
Renegade Pleasure Androids
Posted - 2011.08.22 07:33:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Amber Villaneous
Originally by: Larla Rosethorn
As was explained multiple times by multiple people in this thread, ship balance should be done per ship class, not per race. Go ahead and re-read it again then come back.


If you balance by ship class are you not by default balancing across races also?

If you balance by race are you not by default balancing across ship classes also?

See how I switched a few key words there but they are saying the same thing.


This is meaningless.

Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
Posted - 2011.08.22 09:24:00 - [40]
 

A better idea would be to nerf the Archon I think.

Larla Rosethorn
Minmatar
Renegade Pleasure Androids
Posted - 2011.08.22 11:31:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Gypsio III
A better idea would be to nerf the Archon I think.


I agree, Archon could use a nerf (also, slaves shouldn't work with capitals) but too many people would get ****ed off so that will definitely never happen :)

bolianavitchfantuleanpie
Posted - 2011.08.22 13:27:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: bolianavitchfantuleanpie on 22/08/2011 13:34:56
last i checked only about 3% of all carriers in the game consist of niddy. 50% of all carriers in game are nyx's last time i checked. and theirs almost 18,000 carriers in the game (and over 450 titans too, most of wich are an erebus). what we should realy be asking ourselves is, why is gallente supercaps and titans so widely used? because they need to be nerfed to be equal to the others.

Larla Rosethorn
Minmatar
Renegade Pleasure Androids
Posted - 2011.08.22 20:55:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: bolianavitchfantuleanpie
Edited by: bolianavitchfantuleanpie on 22/08/2011 13:34:56
last i checked only about 3% of all carriers in the game consist of niddy. 50% of all carriers in game are nyx's last time i checked. and theirs almost 18,000 carriers in the game (and over 450 titans too, most of wich are an erebus). what we should realy be asking ourselves is, why is gallente supercaps and titans so widely used? because they need to be nerfed to be equal to the others.


Erebus is widely used because of 37% fleet armor bonus. CCP decided for some reason that it's a good idea to nerf shields into oblivion for caps. There is no equivalent to slaves for shields, a bunch of other implants and rigs are missing for shields and carriers have major fitting problems. Also high end invulnerability fields are mega expensive (a couple of them will run the same cost as supercarrier or even titan). High end eanms and hardeners are way cheaper. Bonus on Ragnarok is a joke considering that supercaps have 10km+ sig radius and triage. Really, tracking bonus for caps? hahaha. Hel is also a complete joke compared to other scs. Nerfing Erebus might not be the answer, but CCP should actually consider putting some THINKING into cap warfare balancing.

Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD
Tragedy.
Posted - 2011.08.22 21:20:00 - [44]
 

I notice the OP didn't even bother to mention the Chimera...why? Because it is just THAT bad. So bad it isn't even worth mentioning...it must need more things fixed. Get on that CCP. Balance cap ships like you say you are doing.

Larla Rosethorn
Minmatar
Renegade Pleasure Androids
Posted - 2011.08.28 00:39:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Larla Rosethorn on 28/08/2011 00:46:44
Edited by: Larla Rosethorn on 28/08/2011 00:40:00
Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi
I notice the OP didn't even bother to mention the Chimera...why? Because it is just THAT bad. So bad it isn't even worth mentioning...it must need more things fixed. Get on that CCP. Balance cap ships like you say you are doing.


Well, Chimera is actually better than Niddy as a shield tank. It has more CPU and can fit more remote shield reppers.. Also shields have the advantage that Invulnerability fields give a better resist across the board (per slot) compared to EANM. Problem with shield fleets though is that
1. not enough CPU to field a decent local tank + remote reppers (quite possible on archon.. 2 local reppers + 4 remotes as mentioned in op)
2. no equivalent rigs for many capital modules present for armor
3. no equivalent to slaves and other armor related implants
4. high end invuln fields are mega expensive and even midrange invulns are 450m (caldari navy etc) so decent shield fleets are much more expensive than armor. top of the line invuln is 25b, top of the line eanm is sub-1b.. maybe if the drop rate on officer stuff is rebalanced or deadspace invulns are introduced this could partially improve the situtation.
5. CPRs give much more capacitor compared to Cap flux coils and cap rechargers but penalize local shield reps, again giving archon and aeon a massive advantage (additional 10-15%) due to abundance of low slots
6. probably more stuff i forget

so once you add all this up.. that's why i say that cap shield fleets are nerfed into oblivion


Larla Rosethorn
Minmatar
Renegade Pleasure Androids
Posted - 2011.08.28 00:45:00 - [46]
 

Does anyone else like the idea of reducing the price on Niddy by 25%? I think that would make it an interesting strategic alternative to other carriers from the total fleet risk/reward perspective.


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