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VKhaun Vex
Posted - 2011.07.10 04:29:00 - [61]
 

lol soulbound

iseewatudidtheir

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.07.10 04:31:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: VKhaun Vex
Yeah because the space game with a permanent 'up' and one gun puts 2-3 on your ship that can't fire at the same time is the perfect place to whine about immersion.

Your portrait is just that. A portrait your naked goo-covered self puts out for the world to see, INSTEAD OF A NAKED GOO COVERED LIMP FACE. The Monocle doesn't get blown up because you're not wearing it. It goes to the new clone the same way YOUR OLD CLOTHES DID. Your clones haven't been showing up naked the past eight years have they? Nothing new. If it hurts your immersion now it should always have. It didn't, because back then you weren't butthurt whiners.

What a stupid thread. Rolling Eyes


If you read through what you just posted, you'd realise you contradicted yourself in the first 4 sentences.

First you say you never even wear the monocle, which is wrong because even though I dont have one and cant confirm, IT WOULD BE PRETTY STUPID IF IT DIDN'T APPEAR ON YOU IN YOUR CAPTAINS QUARTERS. Then you say it gets "automatically" transferred to your new clone.

So what if i'm just moving station and don't get killed, does the same happen to all my clothes?

You never left your pod prior to Incarna. What clothes were displayed on you avatar was a non-issue, because they didnt represent anything in the game. It was just a way of differentiating players.

Your monocle gives your argument no weight, and the sooner you lose them when you get podded, the better.


Tuggboat
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.10 04:40:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Shepard Book
Originally by: AnzacPaul
This makes absoloutely no sense at all CCP. My implants are lost, my medical clone is lost, MY CORPSE IS IN SPACE, yet apparently your clothing and/or monacle are indestructible?

Could a dev just jump in here and sort this out nice and quick for me please?


This was brought up weeks ago. You can search for it.


does search suddenly work?

Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2011.07.10 04:42:00 - [64]
 

When you buy a NeX item, you are actually signing a contract which includes the replacement at the cloning facilities around our stars.
It is stored in a compartment of your POD while you are in the goo.

Seriously, is this what worries you in EVE?

VKhaun Vex
Posted - 2011.07.10 04:59:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 10/07/2011 05:00:02
Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 10/07/2011 04:59:08
Originally by: AnzacPaul

If you read through what you just posted, you'd realise you contradicted yourself in the first 4 sentences.

First you say you never even wear the monocle, which is wrong because even though I dont have one and cant confirm, IT WOULD BE PRETTY STUPID IF IT DIDN'T APPEAR ON YOU IN YOUR CAPTAINS QUARTERS. Then you say it gets "automatically" transferred to your new clone.

So what if i'm just moving station and don't get killed, does the same happen to all my clothes?

You never left your pod prior to Incarna. What clothes were displayed on you avatar was a non-issue, because they didnt represent anything in the game. It was just a way of differentiating players.

Your monocle gives your argument no weight, and the sooner you lose them when you get podded, the better.




I didn't say you NEVER wear it. This knocks down your whole post like a row of dominos. Sorry you don't know how to read.







Originally by: Barkaial Starfinder
When you buy a NeX item, you are actually signing a contract which includes the replacement at the cloning facilities around our stars.
It is stored in a compartment of your POD while you are in the goo.

Seriously, is this what worries you in EVE?


More concise then I could make it.
Thank you.Very Happy

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.07.10 05:07:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Barkaial Starfinder
When you buy a NeX item, you are actually signing a contract which includes the replacement at the cloning facilities around our stars.
It is stored in a compartment of your POD while you are in the goo.

Seriously, is this what worries you in EVE?


Ok cool, if ccp come out and state this as canon, then its no problem.

But what happens to that contract when your pod gets smartbombed to oblivion?

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.07.10 05:10:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: VKhaun Vex




I didn't say you NEVER wear it. This knocks down your whole post like a row of dominos. Sorry you don't know how to read.




Ok so how does your monocle get from jita to your 0.0 outpost.

I would like to know cause next time I buy a truckload of stuff from Jita I would like to get in insta-safe-transported to my destination of choice whenever,wherever, regardless of being podded or not

gtfo.

Bklyn 1
Posted - 2011.07.10 05:13:00 - [68]
 

It is very un-Eve-like that your Nex stuff does not drop or get destroyed when you get podded.

-1 CCP

VKhaun Vex
Posted - 2011.07.10 09:44:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 10/07/2011 09:56:16
Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 10/07/2011 09:53:41
Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 10/07/2011 09:45:20
Originally by: AnzacPaul
Originally by: VKhaun Vex




I didn't say you NEVER wear it. This knocks down your whole post like a row of dominos. Sorry you don't know how to read.




Ok so how does your monocle get from jita to your 0.0 outpost.

I would like to know cause next time I buy a truckload of stuff from Jita I would like to get in insta-safe-transported to my destination of choice whenever,wherever, regardless of being podded or not

gtfo.



The same thing happens with my monocle as what happens to get you YOUR clothes when you spawn there. Why would a monocle be special? You're arguing it should be destroyed for continuity/realism but you aren't separating non-mt clothes from your argument in any way. If you were right everyone should be naked the entire time and we should all have to buy all our clothes over again.

You're arguing completely against station walk/live avatar because if you can walk in a station you have these clothes issues. Before station it could just be said you took a picture and never left the pod/never dealt with clothes or at least didn't bother with the EXACT SAME clothes.

But now we do. We have specifically the clothes we choose where ever we go, where ever we clone. Not just MT clothes, not just MT Monocles. Everything from character creation.


Even the scars and sun tans.


The anti-incarna protest failed.
Maybe you missed the memo...
The patch is live.





Originally by: Bklyn 1
It is very un-Eve-like that your Nex stuff does not drop or get destroyed when you get podded.

-1 CCP


Even if they were destroyed, your portrait is not a current photo, it's an avatar. Even if on death you could not use the Monocle, you wouldn't see it disappear from the person. They're not wearing it in their pod anyway. You would still see it on their portrait until they decided to change it.

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.07.10 10:00:00 - [70]
 

So by your way of thinking, everytime I dock in a station to change ammo, I also have to have an implant surgically implanted into my eye? and then before I undock have it taken back out again, upon when arriving at another station to accept a mission I get a brand new one implanted, I accept the mission, the monocle is removed, I undock, I deliver a courier package to another station, dock up when once again I am given a brand new monocle inserted, before having it removed prior to undocking?




Gurgeh Murat
Minmatar
Blue Republic
Posted - 2011.07.10 10:42:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Bklyn 1
It is very un-Eve-like that your Nex stuff does not drop or get destroyed when you get podded.

-1 CCP


I concur, an opportunity to harvest tears has been sidestepped by ccp. Its also pretty ****ed that you can put on a monocle, create your avatar then take it off and sell it. Im surprised everyone in EvE isnt wearing one by now.

Oh wait, its because they look like a brass @nus coupled with a monobrow Rolling Eyes

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.07.11 02:01:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Gurgeh Murat
Originally by: Bklyn 1
It is very un-Eve-like that your Nex stuff does not drop or get destroyed when you get podded.

-1 CCP


I concur, an opportunity to harvest tears has been sidestepped by ccp. Its also pretty ****ed that you can put on a monocle, create your avatar then take it off and sell it. Im surprised everyone in EvE isnt wearing one by now.

Oh wait, its because they look like a brass @nus coupled with a monobrow Rolling Eyes


Bumping this for a Dev answer.

If we have to have M/T, make it cheap, make it vanity only, and make it DESTRUCTIBLE.

Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.11 02:19:00 - [73]
 

The amount of derp in this thread is incredible.
If monocles could be destroyed simply by being worn NO ONE WOULD WEAR THEM.
Who would spend over a billion ISK on something which does nothing AND can be destroyed?
CCP want sales in the NeX store. Monocles are replaced upon being podded. This is the reason vanity items aren't destroyed.

If you want an idiotic role-playing reason, then I'll supply one for you. It's not a stretch if the imagination considering that EVE has submarine physics.
You don't buy a monocle. You buy a license to use the monocle. This license can be destroyed, if it's in your cargo bay.
You get unlimited replacement monocles, courtesy of the NeX store. The NeX store are a part of stations as much as fitting services, now.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.07.11 02:35:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
If monocles could be destroyed simply by being worn NO ONE WOULD WEAR THEM.
You mean just like how no-one uses pirate implants?

Oh, wait…
Quote:
Who would spend over a billion ISK on something which does nothing AND can be destroyed?
That sounds more like an argument for adjusting a nutty price than an for them being indestructible.
Quote:
CCP want sales in the NeX store.
Actually, making money from the NeX store "is not the point". If it was sales they were after, they'd definitely make them both destructible and cheaper — they'd get a lot more sales (and more money) that way.

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.07.11 02:37:00 - [75]
 

Can anyone with items bought from the nex store confirm that a license is stored in your cargo whilst travelling between stations?

Didnt think so.

Funny, theres alot of things in Eve that cost more than 1.6b, even single mods and guess what, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM IS DESTRUCTIBLE. The cost of the item has no bearing on its replacement. Eve has always been about risk and introducing a "god mode" item that is invincible and can travel magically from station to station, even though your not actually wearing it in your pod, or is it being stored on your ship, goes against the stance CCP has taken on such issues since the beginning.

As soon as plex were able to be transported in cargo, they were made destroyable. Now we have goggles, which are cheaper than 1 plex, but they arent destroyable?

What you are suggesting is a lifetime insurance brand new replacement for an item every time you dock/undock/get podded/change ships. For 1.6billion?

Now a freighter costs half that, you rarely lose one, let alone every time you dock and undock, yet they dont have a lifetime replacement warranty, but an item of clothing or an implant does?


Nth Ares
Posted - 2011.07.11 02:45:00 - [76]
 

Why is this so difficult to rationalize?

Here's my unfounded theory!

When you buy clothes or implants with NEX, this includes an agreement with the network managing you medical clones to procure and provide replacement items upon activation. Every time. Forever. Hence, why they cost so bloody damn much. High fashion is a challenge to provide for near-immortals who die ALL THE TIME.

The initial items are stored in your pod, destroyed when you are destroyed. When you are podded, YOU DO NOT RESPAWN at your target destination, you respawn at your medical clone, where they have received (along with your infomorph) the go-ahead to provide reissues of the destroyed NEX items. They do not have license to provide these to you until your pod is confirmed destroyed, which presumes your stored clothes and implants are also destroyed. This prevents devaluation of these highly exclusive brands.

Jump clones do not automatically get the NEX clothes and monocle, don't you need to purchase a set for each jump clone? I have not tested, but I got a message to that effect in-game.

Clothes in cargo DO get destroyed.

So, no problem. However, we need confirmation.

CCP, get on it!

Nachshon
Caldari
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2011.07.11 05:03:00 - [77]
 

You leave all vanity items behind when you enter pod.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.07.11 06:11:00 - [78]
 

It would suit me just fine if the items were destructible and the price was dropped to 10th of it's current level.

Pun intended. Very Happy

NoobPwn
Posted - 2011.07.11 06:22:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Nachshon
You leave all vanity items behind when you enter pod.


No. You don't take off your pants when you undock, do you?

NoobPwn
Posted - 2011.07.11 06:27:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Nth Ares
Why is this so difficult to rationalize?

Here's my unfounded theory!

When you buy clothes or implants with NEX, this includes an agreement with the network managing you medical clones to procure and provide replacement items upon activation. Every time. Forever. Hence, why they cost so bloody damn much. High fashion is a challenge to provide for near-immortals who die ALL THE TIME.

The initial items are stored in your pod, destroyed when you are destroyed. When you are podded, YOU DO NOT RESPAWN at your target destination, you respawn at your medical clone, where they have received (along with your infomorph) the go-ahead to provide reissues of the destroyed NEX items. They do not have license to provide these to you until your pod is confirmed destroyed, which presumes your stored clothes and implants are also destroyed. This prevents devaluation of these highly exclusive brands.

Jump clones do not automatically get the NEX clothes and monocle, don't you need to purchase a set for each jump clone? I have not tested, but I got a message to that effect in-game.

Clothes in cargo DO get destroyed.

So, no problem. However, we need confirmation.

CCP, get on it!



YO MAD BRO?
Like you said so, there should be a chance to loot your pants from your pod wreck then?

Or how'd you manage to destroy all your pants before your pod explodes?

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.07.11 08:08:00 - [81]
 

Maybe its a grand ploy to reintroduce the Jovian race, they have evolved into the ultimate metrosexuals with clothing that is indestructible. Laughing

Khamelean
Posted - 2011.07.11 08:28:00 - [82]
 

They are destroyed, you just get replacements when you re-dock.

That's why they're expensive, you get infinite supply of them :)

TrimethylChromiumdioxide
Caldari
Infinatech
Posted - 2011.07.11 08:55:00 - [83]
 

Perhaps all implants will soon be indestructible. For a price.

Rolling Eyes

Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.07.11 09:16:00 - [84]
 

This:

Originally by: Ydnari
Because of money.


And this:

Originally by: Vasha Rin
It's very simple to explain, actually... the NEX clothing and monocles are MAGIC.

It's why they cost so much. NEX items are enchanted against casual destruction and are soulbound items. Such objects of power can only be crafted through the most powerful and dangerous of magicks, and wizards are not known to offer their services cheaply...


And because marketing/BizDev was allowed to make a game mechanics decision sadly enough.

Boom is boom, however you paint it a monocle should be destroyed when you wear in on your body IN your pod.

DeBingJos
Minmatar
Goat Holdings
Posted - 2011.07.11 09:32:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Khamelean
They are destroyed, you just get replacements when you re-dock.

That's why they're expensive, you get infinite supply of them :)


This would give traders an unfair advantage in moving these items.

Equip vanity item
self-destruct pod
wake up in a medical clone at your (nullsec) destination
unfit vanity item
sell at local market
????
profit

where is the risk in moving these goods? All the other stuff can be destroyed, NeX items should be destructable as well.

This is indeed a case of the marketing depertment making gameplay decisions. (Not good imo)

Darq Vixen
Posted - 2011.07.11 09:39:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
If monocles could be destroyed simply by being worn NO ONE WOULD WEAR THEM.
You mean just like how no-one uses pirate implants?

Oh, wait…
Quote:
Who would spend over a billion ISK on something which does nothing AND can be destroyed?
That sounds more like an argument for adjusting a nutty price than an for them being indestructible.
Quote:
CCP want sales in the NeX store.
Actually, making money from the NeX store "is not the point". If it was sales they were after, they'd definitely make them both destructible and cheaper — they'd get a lot more sales (and more money) that way.


/thread

Ehdward
Caldari
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.07.11 09:40:00 - [87]
 

Oh look, another stupid reason for people to whine about Incarna.

Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.11 10:30:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet on 11/07/2011 10:59:26
Tippia, I thought you were intelligent. ugh
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
If monocles could be destroyed simply by being worn NO ONE WOULD WEAR THEM.
You mean just like how no-one uses pirate implants?

Oh, wait…

You're just being stupid, here. Pirate implants have a combat enhancing effect. Pants don't. Really, this should be obvious enough for me not to explain. Don't quote me out of context.

Quote:
Quote:
Who would spend over a billion ISK on something which does nothing AND can be destroyed?
That sounds more like an argument for adjusting a nutty price than an for them being indestructible.

Out of context again. Note how I said "AND can be destroyed". More on this at the end of my post.
Quote:

Quote:
CCP want sales in the NeX store.
Actually, making money from the NeX store "is not the point". If it was sales they were after, they'd definitely make them both destructible and cheaper — they'd get a lot more sales (and more money) that way.

You're not CCP. People would not buy destructible vanity items. Billion ISK implants are bought, because they actually do something. Read below.


There are several different systems non-vanity items could be implemented.

1. (Current system)
High prices, indestructible unless in cargo bay.

2.
High prices, destructible.
Some idiots have the nerve to suggest this. No one would buy any clothing under this system. A one billion+ ISK monocle which does nothing, and can be destroyed in the blink of an eye? Bad idea.

3.
Low prices, destructible.
A reasonable suggestion, but it wouldn't work for several reasons. Firstly, there is the issue of implementation 2. Buying destructible vanity items, no matter the price, is unlikely to occur. No one will buy anything. Secondly, there will be a saturation of vanity items in the economy. Everyone will will own special goggles, and all character portraits would be pimped out.
Rolling Eyes
(And yes, I had to orange this text to get extra attention)

You may notice a slight contradiction between my first and second point of the third implementation. However, this is not the case. The market will become saturated with cheap items, and things like monocles will simply cease to be bought. Players will tire of buying vanity items which are frequently destroyed, and purchasing will cease.

Implementations 2 and 3 have huge flaws, and CCP's current take is nearly perfect. There's no saturation or under-purchasing of items. The only issues I can see are:
1. Poor people wanting monocles.
-This is fine. I want a solid gold toilet, but I'm not getting one.
2. A "RP" perspective.
-RPers should do what they normally do, and use their imagination. EVE has submarine physics, CONCORD do nothing for incursions, we can warp through planets and capsuleers can kill an entire crew of their own battleship by suicide ganking. Excuses have been invented for all of these, and Incarna won't be any different.

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2011.07.11 10:43:00 - [89]
 

Actually, you should be able to rip the monocle right out of that frozen corpse. Then on your character sheet there should be an extra tab where you can put them just to show them off as trophies.

Wacktopia
Sicarius.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2011.07.11 10:47:00 - [90]
 

CCP are so "fearless" they don't care if a $70 monocle gets dropped on death... oh wait!!

tl;dr - CCP pee'd their pants over making nex stuff destroyable.


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