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AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.07.09 21:17:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: AnzacPaul on 10/07/2011 04:44:37
This makes absoloutely no sense at all CCP. My implants are lost, my medical clone is lost, MY CORPSE IS IN SPACE, yet apparently your clothing and/or monacle are indestructible?

Could a dev just jump in here and sort this out nice and quick for me please?

Bloodcrow
Posted - 2011.07.09 21:19:00 - [2]
 

Your naked in your pod...

Ydnari
Gallente
Estrale Frontiers
Posted - 2011.07.09 21:20:00 - [3]
 

Because of money.

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.07.09 21:21:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Bloodcrow
Your naked in your pod...


From CCP Zinfandel

Quote:
If you are currently wearing an outfit, it is effectively indestructible so put it on before you leave if you're making your purchase at a well-traveled market hub like Jita.

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.07.09 21:21:00 - [5]
 

It's CCP's way of fearlessly dealing with customers complaining their 80$ monocle was destroyed when they undocked in Jita.

Think about it - if high tier NEX clothing actually ever enters the game nobody wearing the high end stuff could ever undock anywhere while wearing this ****. Because everyone would be suicide ganking them.

CCP makes sure to ***** out of that problem by making clothing indestructible. If it wasn't nobody would buy it.

Ivoto
Gallente
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.07.09 21:22:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Bloodcrow
Your naked in your pod...


This...actually.

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.07.09 21:25:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Ivoto
Originally by: Bloodcrow
Your naked in your pod...


This...actually.


Then I counter with this;

What happens to the items you have purchased, or are wearing when you get into your pod? And if they are stored on the ship somewhere, once again, refer to the op.

Shepard Book
Posted - 2011.07.09 21:28:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: AnzacPaul
This makes absoloutely no sense at all CCP. My implants are lost, my medical clone is lost, MY CORPSE IS IN SPACE, yet apparently your clothing and/or monacle are indestructible?

Could a dev just jump in here and sort this out nice and quick for me please?


This was brought up weeks ago. You can search for it.

Ben Morto
The Hatchery
Posted - 2011.07.09 21:28:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: AnzacPaul
Originally by: Ivoto
Originally by: Bloodcrow
Your naked in your pod...


This...actually.


Then I counter with this;

What happens to the items you have purchased, or are wearing when you get into your pod? And if they are stored on the ship somewhere, once again, refer to the op.


Clothing is digitally stored in your wallet. The clothing is not physical, but projected onto your body.

Aldan Romar
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.09 21:30:00 - [10]
 

The purchase price includes a lifelong insurance so they are automatically replaced at every station and at each cloning facility.

Vasha Rin
Posted - 2011.07.09 21:33:00 - [11]
 

It's very simple to explain, actually... the NEX clothing and monocles are MAGIC.

It's why they cost so much. NEX items are enchanted against casual destruction and are soulbound items. Such objects of power can only be crafted through the most powerful and dangerous of magicks, and wizards are not known to offer their services cheaply...

Chiggy W
Posted - 2011.07.09 21:46:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Chiggy W on 09/07/2011 21:46:33
I see you've never bought a $1000 pair of jeans from a Japanese fashion boutique. If you had, you'd understand that when CCP were comparing these things to real items in those devblogs, they weren't lying. You see, $1000 jeans bought from a Japanese fashion boutique are actually indestructible, hence that why in game.

Of course it could just be that CCP are worried about the reaction of little Timmie`s mum when the new outfit she just paid $500 for is destroyed by someone who doesn`t get or appreciate CCP`s fearless new metro sexual in space direction, and she cancels little Timmie`s barbie in space account rather than buy him a new one. We can`t have that now!

Dark and harsh universe is soooooooo 2005 darling, colorful and fabulous is the new direction! Fearless!


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Tautut
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.09 21:50:00 - [13]
 

We're podded (some of us at least) and automatically get reborn in clone vats trillions of miles away - and you're worried about monocles and pants?

I'm bored of this groundhog day wha wha wha - 'I've found a hole in this logic' - tear festival. It's a game. Get over it.



Ivoto
Gallente
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.07.09 21:55:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: AnzacPaul
Originally by: Ivoto
Originally by: Bloodcrow
Your naked in your pod...


This...actually.


Then I counter with this;

What happens to the items you have purchased, or are wearing when you get into your pod? And if they are stored on the ship somewhere, once again, refer to the op.

It's called Captain's CLOSET for a reason, friend. Wink

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.07.09 21:56:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Tautut
We're podded (some of us at least) and automatically get reborn in clone vats trillions of miles away - and you're worried about monocles and pants?

I'm bored of this groundhog day wha wha wha - 'I've found a hole in this logic' - tear festival. It's a game. Get over it.





well why cant implants survive? If a monocle can, why cant my slaves?

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.07.09 22:01:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Tautut
We're podded (some of us at least) and automatically get reborn in clone vats trillions of miles away - and you're worried about monocles and pants?

I'm bored of this groundhog day wha wha wha - 'I've found a hole in this logic' - tear festival. It's a game. Get over it.



It's a massive multiplayer online ROLEPLAYING game.

Do you understand what ROLEPLAY means?

It means that one plays a ROLE.

And in eve that ROLE means that we pretend that EVE is a harsh universe where things die and get destroyed. It does not matter if you're naked because the ****ing monocle is IMPLANTED. You know. Like an IMPLANT. It even says it's an IMPLANT in the ****ing description.

And you know what happens to IMPLANTS when you get podded? They get destroyed. Unless they're a monocle.

You know what that means? That means someone is not playing their role anymore. That means anyone wearing a monocle is somehow godmoding because they have an indestructible item. When someone does something like that in a roleplay they usually get banned.

Not in so in EVE. Which means EVE isn't a roleplaying game anymore. It totally breaks the immersion, not making sense even on its own terms. It's broken.

Ivoto
Gallente
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.07.09 22:03:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: AnzacPaul
MY CORPSE IS IN SPACE


Your naked corpse...

Plenty of material to read up on about this. I'm sure Japanese Boutique pants don't take well to being drenched in ectoplasm everytime you hop into your pod.

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.07.09 22:06:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Ivoto
Originally by: AnzacPaul
MY CORPSE IS IN SPACE


Your naked corpse...

Plenty of material to read up on about this. I'm sure Japanese Boutique pants don't take well to being drenched in ectoplasm everytime you hop into your pod.


Read through my posts in this thread properly, and then see why what you said makes no sense.

Surely the devs have lore for this? All im asking is they come in quick and tell me how a monocle survives a podding, but my implants dont?

Ivoto
Gallente
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.07.09 22:07:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: AnzacPaul
Originally by: Tautut
We're podded (some of us at least) and automatically get reborn in clone vats trillions of miles away - and you're worried about monocles and pants?

I'm bored of this groundhog day wha wha wha - 'I've found a hole in this logic' - tear festival. It's a game. Get over it.





well why cant implants survive? If a monocle can, why cant my slaves?

Honestly man read up and educate yourself. Your brain is turned to mush as a part of the cloning process when your pod's hull is breached. Implants in your brain = fried when you go pop.

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.07.09 22:10:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Ivoto
Originally by: AnzacPaul
Originally by: Tautut
We're podded (some of us at least) and automatically get reborn in clone vats trillions of miles away - and you're worried about monocles and pants?

I'm bored of this groundhog day wha wha wha - 'I've found a hole in this logic' - tear festival. It's a game. Get over it.





well why cant implants survive? If a monocle can, why cant my slaves?

Honestly man read up and educate yourself. Your brain is turned to mush as a part of the cloning process when your pod's hull is breached. Implants in your brain = fried when you go pop.
And how does the monocle get magically teleported over to the new clone?

Nomad Vherokic
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.09 22:11:00 - [21]
 

This is all very 'Emperor's New Clothes'.

I see an EPIC(fail) arc in this. 'The Quest for the Missing Monocle', help the Khanid Royal Family find the right lens of the Great Spectacles of Khanid Prime. Apparently invulnerable until broken in two by an angry fish-wife and her 250mm 'Scout' Rolling-pin I... Solve the mystery of why it ended up for sale for 120$, eat fine cheese on the journey, play flute with the flautists of AAA(Citizens branch), and spend 3 hours on the toilet afterwards. All this coming soon from an EVE trailer(park) near you!

Tautut
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.09 22:15:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Tautut
We're podded (some of us at least) and automatically get reborn in clone vats trillions of miles away - and you're worried about monocles and pants?

I'm bored of this groundhog day wha wha wha - 'I've found a hole in this logic' - tear festival. It's a game. Get over it.



It's a massive multiplayer online ROLEPLAYING game.

Do you understand what ROLEPLAY means?

It means that one plays a ROLE.

And in eve that ROLE means that we pretend that EVE is a harsh universe where things die and get destroyed. It does not matter if you're naked because the ****ing monocle is IMPLANTED. You know. Like an IMPLANT. It even says it's an IMPLANT in the ****ing description.

And you know what happens to IMPLANTS when you get podded? They get destroyed. Unless they're a monocle.

You know what that means? That means someone is not playing their role anymore. That means anyone wearing a monocle is somehow godmoding because they have an indestructible item. When someone does something like that in a roleplay they usually get banned.

Not in so in EVE. Which means EVE isn't a roleplaying game anymore. It totally breaks the immersion, not making sense even on its own terms. It's broken.


So just roleplay that your monocle is insured and they give you a new one? Big deal - I can live with that. Why the fuss -it's a pixel that has no impact on gameplay. You're honestly telling me that you can't get beyond this and it's hurting your gameplay? After you've done your pvp and waded through the corpses - you sit there thinking '**** - we just tore the opposition a new ******* - but the ****ers are going to wake up and still have a monocle handed to them when they're reborn.'

I hope they have Kleenex in the NEX store - it may just be your first purchase.

Ivoto
Gallente
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.07.09 22:16:00 - [23]
 

There's logical explanation to why you don't lose your clothing. As to the monocle, I have no idea...have fun trying to get a dev to answer

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.07.09 22:19:00 - [24]
 

No, I just want implants to be treated like implants.
If it says it's an implant and implants get destroyed when you get podded then monocles should be destroyed when you get podded. It's that easy.

If monocles somehow get an insurance policy free of charge then I'd like to have the same for a high-grade slave set.

Would make total sense, wouldn't it?

democrities
Zebra Corp
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.07.09 22:21:00 - [25]
 

1 word: DOLEMITE.

"Dolemite! Its the shiney black metal that doesn't cop out when there's heat all about!"

Ivoto
Gallente
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.07.09 22:23:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
No, I just want implants to be treated like implants.
If it says it's an implant and implants get destroyed when you get podded then monocles should be destroyed when you get podded. It's that easy.

If monocles somehow get an insurance policy free of charge then I'd like to have the same for a high-grade slave set.

Would make total sense, wouldn't it?

Go troll in your own thread. (which itself is afaik attempt at trolling). Simple fact is people would shot themselves if they had to pay $60 for a new one every time they got podded. Not to mention monocles have zero effect on gameplay.

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.07.09 22:24:00 - [27]
 

While we're at it: why can't we built spaceships out of monocles?

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.07.09 22:29:00 - [28]
 

I dont really mind how each individual comes to terms with it.

I want to know how from a role playing/game play/story telling point of view how these items survive. CCP talks all the time about not breaking immersion.
What i'm asking isnt unreasonable really is it?

Pytria Le'Danness
Posted - 2011.07.09 22:31:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
While we're at it: why can't we built spaceships out of monocles?


Because it would only have windows on one side Very Happy


I'm mostly annoyed at the crap being indestructible not due to role play concerns, but because it's stupid to make them this safe. If they had sold them for $10 and made them destructible it would have been much more EVE and probably generated a lot more income in the mid- to long run. THAT's what I don't get, and I am not even a doctor of economy who supposedly is on the payroll of CCP. Didn't they ask him, or was he too busy making PDFs?

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.07.09 22:58:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness


I'm mostly annoyed at the crap being indestructible not due to role play concerns, but because it's stupid to make them this safe. If they had sold them for $10 and made them destructible it would have been much more EVE and probably generated a lot more income in the mid- to long run. THAT's what I don't get, and I am not even a doctor of economy who supposedly is on the payroll of CCP. Didn't they ask him, or was he too busy making PDFs?



My view is that the economist was told to make a m/t plan for a game, without an understanding of the game or the community. If he/she had, perhaps they would of seen an awesome market for low priced items that would be destroyed.

just my 2 cents though and I could be completely wrong.


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