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Anabella Rella
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.07.11 04:29:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Diana Kim

But should he possess real threat to the State, I will gladly help you with extraction or termination.



I wouldn't recommend you try entering Republic space with hostile intentions pilot. The TLF, Republic Fleet and/or various capsuleer organizations loyal to the Republic would take a very dim view of such provocative action and would most likely respond with force.

Just a word to the wise.

Nachshon
Caldari
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2011.07.11 05:32:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Diana Kim
I don't think these actions are really necessary. Employees often run from their employers to others, it happens here and there. Of course, the fact that Eifyr and Co. belongs to hostile regime causes some concern, I don't think they are connected to minmatar military forces. In my opinion, he just run to make his research more efficient.

But should he possess real threat to the State, I will gladly help you with extraction or termination.



I'd like to see you try.

Nur AlHuda
Amarr
Callide Vulpis
Posted - 2011.07.11 09:23:00 - [33]
 

Im CEO in amarrian combat unit within the 24th IC and our unit will try to help enforce the sanctions.

Caldari technology is too much advanced for minmatars and its very likely in wrong hands (minmatar)it will be used as a weapon. We cant tolerate such a development. I agree with caldari loyalists that research was not his personal asset as he used corporation and state facilities, equipment and personnel to continue his research.

He commited a theft and violated corporate and state laws. To add to his crimes he works for enemies of amarr empire to unfairly help them advance technology without being held in amarr controled enviroment.

Kalaratiri
Minmatar
Teraa Matar
Posted - 2011.07.11 09:52:00 - [34]
 

Quote:
Caldari technology is too much advanced for minmatars and its very likely in wrong hands (minmatar)it will be used as a weapon.


Shamelessly racist, and incorrect. I myself fly caldari ships all the time, and I find them quite simple to use. Also, do you expect us to believe that had he come to you, you would not use whatever he has against the Minmatar?

Quote:
We cant tolerate such a development. I agree with caldari loyalists that research was not his personal asset as he used corporation and state facilities, equipment and personnel to continue his research.


He did, but said assets and research are now outside the state. From the sound of the interview with him, he did not force 250 people to come with him, so I would assume they came of their own free will. They certainly sound willing enough to follow his instructions.

Quote:
He commited a theft and violated corporate and state laws. To add to his crimes he works for enemies of amarr empire to unfairly help them advance technology without being held in amarr controled enviroment.


Let me translate this for you. "The Minmatar may have an advantage. This is not fair. We deserve that possible advantage, not them. They should give this advantage to us, so we can use it instead."

Enkill Eridos
Draconian Enforcers Available To Hire
Property Management Solutions
Posted - 2011.07.13 17:19:00 - [35]
 

Forgive me for my ignorance but what is the Arek'Jaalan project? I have not seen any information on this. As a free pilot, I don't understand what the big deal is? With piracy on the rise we care about this why? Maybe I don't understand State loyalty like the State and Republic puppets, but after reading the interview done by The Scope I agree with his attitude. I will offer my services to the one who pays the most, but since I do not really see any crime committed I would like evidence of guilt or innocence beforehand. Which neither side has really given as of yet.

Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Posted - 2011.07.14 02:36:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
You act like this seldom happens. Certainly the scale is different, but the man and his team have not yet posed a threat to the State.

I realize it happens very often, especially between various State corporations. However, most of the time it is not a team of 250 employees and State registered corporations can be brought to the CBT and forced to buy-out the individuals' contracts or return them to the offended corporation based on the finds of the Tribunal.

Having fled to the Republic, Hilen Tukoss and the research team, have made such recourse difficult. Sanctions from State corporations against Eifyr and Co. seem the best step in establishing our dissatisfaction with an entity not subject/party to the CBT.

Originally by: Kesmine Kyriel
I am quite confident that, should an employee of, say, CreoDron, take all his staff and materials with him and flee to, say, Lai Dai, and a Federation official ask to have Lai Dai sanctioned as a result, people in the State would roll their eyes and laught.

In the case of the Lai Dai Corporation, indeed. Lai Dai lacks significant trade with or within the Federation. Also, I do not know what additional sancations the Federation would empose on the Lai Dai Corporation. There are already exstensive sancations on what State corporations can and can not do in the Federation. Also, CreoDron, having a presence in the State, might be able to bring a suite against Lai Dai in the CBT.

However, the Ishukone Corporation has been at the forefront of trying to reduce the existing Federation sanctions against the Ishukone Corporation because those sancations directly impact some aspect of Ishukone's business.

From all the evidence I can find, Eifyr & Co. is only located in the Republic and the potential for Zainou Biotech Research to bring a suite against Eifyr & Co. to have Tukoss's teams' contracts bought out is distinctly lacking.

Sanctions and a boycott of the Eifyr & Co.'s goods and projects by State capsuleer corporations may have a limited impact on the company. However, accepting the defection of even a single employee without any response will only cause more brazen actions by competitors of State corporations.

Originally by: Khali Nephtys
You'd think with the current resurgence of the sansha we'd be a little more cautious about welcoming this particular kind of scientist. I suppose the notion that Ishukone allowed him to escape because he was a liability, never crossed anyones mind here? Never ceases to amaze me how Extremely Myopic, some of the Matari people are. When this all blows up in our faces, I do hope the 'geniuses' who thought it was a good idea to bring him to the Republic will be held to account.

There is also the possibility that Tukoss and his team will abandon Eifyr & Co. as easily as they did Zainou Biotech Research. Once they have obtained the information they want, they could flee to yet another jurisdiction in search of someone else with access to the knowledge they seek. For example, the Angel Cartel, Syndicate, or Gurista.

Originally by: Enkill Eridos
I will offer my services to the one who pays the most, but since I do not really see any crime committed I would like evidence of guilt or innocence beforehand.

Based on the actions of the Ishukone Watch, it appears Tukoss fled his employee contract with Zainou Biotech Research.

Reverse your position for a moment, from one of service provider to service acquirer.

You establish a contract with another party (capsuleer, research team, etc), but then someone else, potentially a competitor, comes along and offers them what they believe is a better contract. Instead of completing your contract or working to negotiate an end to the contract, they simply stop working on your contract and do not repay you for the work, time, resources, etc left incomplete. Would you simply accept their decision to snub you or would you attempt to take some action to make your dissatisfaction clear?

Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.07.14 04:26:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Dex Nederland
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
You act like this seldom happens. Certainly the scale is different, but the man and his team have not yet posed a threat to the State.

I realize it happens very often, especially between various State corporations. However, most of the time it is not a team of 250 employees and State registered corporations can be brought to the CBT and forced to buy-out the individuals' contracts or return them to the offended corporation based on the finds of the Tribunal.

Having fled to the Republic, Hilen Tukoss and the research team, have made such recourse difficult. Sanctions from State corporations against Eifyr and Co. seem the best step in establishing our dissatisfaction with an entity not subject/party to the CBT.


While I don't agree with your course of action or its breadth, I think your elaboration on the "why" question was quite informative. Shaai.

Diana Kim
Caldari
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.07.14 04:32:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Anabella Rella
Originally by: Diana Kim

But should he possess real threat to the State, I will gladly help you with extraction or termination.



I wouldn't recommend you try entering Republic space with hostile intentions pilot. The TLF, Republic Fleet and/or various capsuleer organizations loyal to the Republic would take a very dim view of such provocative action and would most likely respond with force.

Just a word to the wise.



Thank you for concerning with my wellbeing. But I assure you, it won't be my first and the last hostile operation inside Minmatar space.

Originally by: Nachshon
I'd like to see you try.


My mentor told me once, don't wish or your wishes may become true. Now I am telling this to you.

Originally by: Kalaratiri
I myself fly caldari ships all the time, and I find them quite simple to use.

This is what is called the technology. You don't need to pull ropes, inject duct tape and scratch rust all the time.

Originally by: Kalaratiri
From the sound of the interview with him, he did not force 250 people to come with him, so I would assume they came of their own free will.

I am sorry, but did the freighter come with him of its own free will too?

Originally by: Dex Nederland
Would you simply accept their decision to snub you or would you attempt to take some action to make your dissatisfaction clear?


Of course you need to take some action. However I still think that proposed sanctions won't have any good effect and will do more harm to the State than to said runaway personnel. It is in our best interests to use them as much as we can without just surrendering them to Republic.

With the action you need either to get them back to the State or to cut Minmatars from their progress, not Caldari. Even if this means termination of scientists under discussion.

Kalaratiri
Minmatar
Teraa Matar
Posted - 2011.07.14 09:41:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Diana Kim

Originally by: Kalaratiri
I myself fly caldari ships all the time, and I find them quite simple to use.


This is what is called the technology. You don't need to pull ropes, inject duct tape and scratch rust all the time.

Originally by: Kalaratiri
From the sound of the interview with him, he did not force 250 people to come with him, so I would assume they came of their own free will.


I am sorry, but did the freighter come with him of its own free will too?



To your first point, I have never 'injected' duct tape into anything. Also, ropes are so old fashioned. Chains are where it's at girl.

To your second, I doubt he bothered asking it. Freighters don't often know how to talk.

Arkady Sadik
Minmatar
Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.07.14 10:22:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Dex Nederland
All State loyal corporations and capsuleers should [...] avoid supporting the Arek'Jaalan project.



I fully support this call for sanctions.


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