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Dr Lebroi
Posted - 2011.07.08 20:56:00 - [1]
 

Everywhere I go I see dramiels and other pirate and faction frigs, it's getting pretty rare to see an interceptor these days. The new CCP video reminded me of what a cool little ship the Taranis is and I was wondering if these are still used much for PVP? I've done lots of PVP in the Incursus and I'm tempted to train interceptors as the Taranis hull is only about 10 million isk which seems cheap when compared to the pirate/faction frigs.

I'm wondering if a Taranis pilot could give me some guidance on what sort of targets I would be able to enagage. I'm guessing all T1 frigs and T1 cruisers if you can get under the guns but wondered about how the little gnat would fare against assault frigs and the aforementioned faction/pirate frigs.

If anyone fancies posting a good fit then that would also be appreciated. I'm guessing from the reading I have done that dual prop is the way to go and manual piloting onto the target is the way to fly it.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.07.09 00:14:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Lady Spank on 09/07/2011 00:17:14
The Taranis is a mighty, MIGHTY frigate. I love it to bits, literally till the point all the bits of my Taranis explode and fly off into space.... then I go and refit another one and go back at it :P

The dual prop one is very useful as a versatile ship since it can engage a wide range of ships, including ships above its class. For 0.0 solo roaming it's brilliant as it has the survivability and versatility.

For low sec, especially factional warfare areas (and to a degree 0.0 but you are limiting yourself) a rail fit is also really effective. In fact, an ab rail ranis can take down 95% of frigates out there with a stunning reliability. The only trouble with an AB fit being its ability to catch things in the first place. For this reason I like to fly about in an mwd fit with an AB in the cargohold. I do it this way (rather than fit AB as priority) since most of the time you NEED an AB is when you are dealing with plex camping AF's and Dramiels and you have time to dock and refit.

Therefore here are some standard fits. Feel free to ask about specifics. I'm by no means a top tier PVPer but I have good experience with this ship ♥♥♥~


[Taranis, DP AWU IV]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
1MN Afterburner II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
[empty high slot]

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I


Warrior II x2

The most standard DP fit and works with AWU IV. If you have AWU V and a bit more money to throw around...


[Taranis, DP AWU V]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core

Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
[empty high slot]
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I


Warrior II x2

The DPS difference between the two is significant although the cheaper one is considerably more throwaway.

AS for a rail ranis I love the following, which is the one I use to swap between mwd and ab as and when...


[Taranis, RAIL MWD]
Internal Force Field Array I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator

125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
[empty high slot]

Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator II


Warrior II x2

Rail ranises are not as cheap as DP fits unfortunately since the IFFA is about 20m at the moment :( I bought a bunch of them at 8m ish a while back and am not looking forwards to running out of them. Put an AB in the hold for when you need it.

If you want a pure AB fit (mostly for low sec really) then you can fit better tackle. This (and the above with an AB) are extremely good at kiting things like Jaguars that think they can kick your butt. Admittedly the only difference if the web, but you can't fit it on the above fit when using an MWD.


[Taranis, RAIL AB]
Internal Force Field Array I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

1MN Afterburner II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
[empty high slot]
125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator II


Warrior II x2

Also bear in mind that some implants that greatly help the ship are dirt cheap. Especially the hull 3% implant ZET 300

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.07.09 00:25:00 - [3]
 

Ran out of space but in light of the cost of IFFA's at the moment you can fit a Pseudo or even an F85 Damage control on the AB only fit railranis.

Dr Lebroi
Posted - 2011.07.09 11:13:00 - [4]
 

WOW - that is double excellent info. Many thanks for taking the time to write it, I've got plenty to chew on now. I'm going to plug these fits into EFT and see which ones I'm liking most - must say the idea of running a rail fit is great as rails are mostly useless for most applications so it would be nice to get some use out of the skills I once trained!! Many thanks I'll be back with some questions.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.07.09 11:49:00 - [5]
 

lady spank knows what she's talking, even if I hate and abhor dual prop shipsRazz

Hiroshima Jita
Posted - 2011.07.09 15:07:00 - [6]
 

I disagree with lady spank somewhat.
If you go to the right place you can probably find a use for a Taranis.
Most 0.0 space is not the right place. Faction frigs dominate there. I can't remember the last time a saw a Taranis.

That AB Rail Ranis looks interesting. A standard fit Dramiel would probably have a hard time with it. Trying to travel 0.0 with that would get you killed though.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.07.09 18:50:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Lady Spank on 09/07/2011 18:51:23
Originally by: Hiroshima Jita
I disagree with lady spank somewhat.
If you go to the right place you can probably find a use for a Taranis.
Most 0.0 space is not the right place. Faction frigs dominate there. I can't remember the last time a saw a Taranis.

That AB Rail Ranis looks interesting. A standard fit Dramiel would probably have a hard time with it. Trying to travel 0.0 with that would get you killed though.


So everyone should stop flying any other frigates and just fly Dramiels right?

Cassiopeia Andromedae
Posted - 2011.07.09 21:52:00 - [8]
 

Well it was great times...

Nanoage...

Large polyrigged intys, deadspace MWDs...

200+ M ISK interceptors, and yes, ppl did fly them daily...

Flying 10kms into a fight...

With HG snakes...

DAMN I MISS NANOAGE!!!

ImInAmarr
Posted - 2011.07.15 06:32:00 - [9]
 

Lady Spank, I have a question about your dual prop blaster fits. You're using CN Antimatter charges, but that means you have to be at about 1km away from the target to get reliable hits. I'm concerned about two things with that. One being tracking, and two being able to even orbit that close at interceptor speeds.

I've never flown an interceptor before so wanted to clear those two things first before I try them.

Oh also that second fit with AWU5 (which I have) requires a +4 pg implant according to EFT with my skills. Those rigs really draw a lot of PG. What about with your skills? Do you fly with that implant? Or are there some other skills I can take to lvl 5 to reduce PG usage?

Thanks in advance!

DraconisAlpha
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.15 07:07:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
Edited by: Lady Spank on 09/07/2011 18:51:23
Originally by: Hiroshima Jita
I disagree with lady spank somewhat.
If you go to the right place you can probably find a use for a Taranis.
Most 0.0 space is not the right place. Faction frigs dominate there. I can't remember the last time a saw a Taranis.

That AB Rail Ranis looks interesting. A standard fit Dramiel would probably have a hard time with it. Trying to travel 0.0 with that would get you killed though.


So everyone should stop flying any other frigates and just fly Dramiels right?



Right. He asked if taranis is still viable...I don't think so.
It was my 1st totally pvp ship, I got anything with it, now, after faction buff, it is nomore competitive.
A dramiel can trow it into pieces.
Close range it is 2500ehp+250dps vs 7500ehp+150dps, speed is 4000m/s vs 6000m/s, rail taranis vs artillery dramiel -> dramiel wins.

I'm not saying taranis is useless, simply there are better ships (dramiel and daredevil). And I dont like that. I wish CCP will fix it soon.

Izida
Caldari
EVE-EX Express Courier Service
Posted - 2011.07.15 12:35:00 - [11]
 

Most importantly is dramiel is almost as fugly as dominix i wouldn't fly if I got paid to fly dram.
Besides dev said they are going to fix it so it's not faster than inties.

Suzu Fujibayashi
Happy Dudes
Posted - 2011.07.15 16:17:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: ImInAmarr
Oh also that second fit with AWU5 (which I have) requires a +4 pg implant according to EFT with my skills. Those rigs really draw a lot of PG. What about with your skills? Do you fly with that implant? Or are there some other skills I can take to lvl 5 to reduce PG usage?


Your hybrid weapon rigging skill is most likely not good enough. With lvl 4 you don't need a rig.


And concerning the dual prop fits. It's mostly at a disadvantage in low-sec where most frigs fly with AB, web, scram. It's more useful in null-sec.

Gibbo3771
Posted - 2011.07.15 16:21:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
Edited by: Lady Spank on 09/07/2011 18:51:23
Originally by: Hiroshima Jita
I disagree with lady spank somewhat.
If you go to the right place you can probably find a use for a Taranis.
Most 0.0 space is not the right place. Faction frigs dominate there. I can't remember the last time a saw a Taranis.

That AB Rail Ranis looks interesting. A standard fit Dramiel would probably have a hard time with it. Trying to travel 0.0 with that would get you killed though.


So everyone should stop flying any other frigates and just fly Dramiels right?


Try undocking or leaving our bear system, you will realise ranis are still about...as are jags/ishkurs etc etc.

Drams are the most over flown frig in the game and I do not see why, it has great gtfo ability but compare a dramiel to a ranis in a straight up brawl situation and the ranis comes out on top, mainly because its sheer damage can down other ceptors/frigs before the gang can land, dramiel cant do that, it can only run away.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.07.15 16:58:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: ImInAmarr
You're using CN Antimatter charges, but that means you have to be at about 1km away from the target to get reliable hits. I'm concerned about two things with that. One being tracking, and two being able to even orbit that close at interceptor speeds.

Suzu answered the AWUV fitting question, you need hybrid rigging IV and solid fitting skills. I suppose I should have mentioned that before.

The Taranis gets a tracking bonus and has the agility to maintain a tight orbit. You only keep in close on certain targets, the ammo used in the fits is really for illustration only rather and you would probably use Null in more situations, certainly on a dual prop fit since you don't have a web and may not be able to control range as well. You would also be orbiting with AB on rather than microwarpdrive.

Ichies
Posted - 2011.09.07 15:24:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Ichies on 07/09/2011 15:25:11
Hi i fly taranis on my toon i love them loads
i have taken out drams 1v1 in mine
yes they are hard but when u compare a dram costs like 60-80 for the hull and then most faction fit it so they cost around 100mill avarage for a good one and my tarnais costs a max of 20mill they are very viable

most people fly drams and other faction frigs coz they are very tough for there size but if i was u fly a taranis for abit then get a daredevil as they are almost the same flying style.
but at the end of the day if u have the isk to spend and the skills to fly it (cant beat them join them) get a dram or daredevil

p.s taranis ftw cheap and great fun

Shayla Sh'inlux
Eve Space Exploration Guild
Posted - 2011.09.07 16:43:00 - [16]
 

Quote:

Drams are the most over flown frig in the game and I do not see why, it has great gtfo ability but compare a dramiel to a ranis in a straight up brawl situation and the ranis comes out on top, mainly because its sheer damage can down other ceptors/frigs before the gang can land, dramiel cant do that, it can only run away.


You just named the single most important reason why people fly Drams so much. It can almost always get away. You either kill your opponent, or you get to run away. Nanoships shared this property, which is why everyone flew them. You can pick targets as you see fit, and if you get jumped or things don't go your way, you simply run.

In a game where losing ships has actual consequences, keeping them in one piece is infinately more important than killing something.

s0lar pulse
Posted - 2011.09.07 18:49:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: s0lar pulse on 07/09/2011 18:58:41
I've gone head to head against Dramiels, with proper setups that I would fly in 3 different interceptors. The only one that was able to win 7 out of the 15 times I've tried with that specific ship, was the Taranis. I lost 5 times with the crusader and won 1 with a afterburner-crusader setup. I lost 11 times with a Claw and won once with a afterburner-claw setup.

The Taranis is the Only interceptor that is very effective against multiple classes of frigates. You can engage the most powerful class of frigates (assault frigates) and win a fair amount of the time (in null or low sec).

The Federation Comet is pretty much the same, but with Ecm drones, more rigs, and a little more tank etc.

Anyways, I only rock these setups in both low and null.

[Taranis, Taranis]
Damage Control II
Small Armor Repairer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Warp Scrambler II

125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
[empty high slot]

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I


Hobgoblin II x2


[Federation Navy Comet, Cheap Version]
Coreli C-Type Small Armor Repairer
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Internal Force Field Array I

Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small 'Knave' I Energy Drain

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I
Small Algid Hybrid Administrations Unit I


Hobgoblin II x3
Hornet EC-300 x2
Hornet EC-300 x1


-proxyyyy

Dynast
Osirians Of Eve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.09.09 09:19:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
So everyone should stop flying any other frigates and just fly Dramiels right?

If they want to win fights in null sec, yes. It's unfortunate that ships like the Dramiel and Daredevil were introduced, but they were, and they grossly outclass every interceptor and t1 frigate in a way that none of the ceptors or frigs ever did to each other.

I used to love roaming in the Taranis and Crusader, but they just won't win against a faction frig unless your opposing pilot is really, really bad. And I like winning fights against more people than just those.


 

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