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Ketaros Thunderclap
Warrioth Clan
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:39:00 - [211]
 

Exacly Carai!

Thats why I said: if CCP wants money, stop RIGHT now with any connection between ISK and Real Money.
All other ideas mixing and messing with those two universes, real and Eden, will make things WORST.

Sister Bliss
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:40:00 - [212]
 

Good to see you prioritising assigning resources to the things in eve that really matter! Well done CCP on continuing to ignore the playerbase and waste our subscription revenue! Your lead game designer needs to be sacked.

Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:41:00 - [213]
 

Originally by: Carai an'Caldazar
Edited by: Carai an''Caldazar on 08/07/2011 14:36:12
How is immersion into the EVE universe supposed to be kept when a single article of (dare I say common) clothing costs, for all intents and purposes, more than a Faction Battleship?

Completely ignoring the RL money issue here, and just focusing on the ISK aspect.

Seems somewhat silly in a virtual universe, to completely break immersion in this way.

Just my thoughts... Very Happy


You're quite right there Carai, it will break immersion but you're perhaps missing a fundamental point in this exercise from CCP in that its sole intention is to...

MAKE LOADSA MONEY!!!!!!

C.

Auric Aurumfinger
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:44:00 - [214]
 

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
It takes a lot more work to be able to make a system where the players can make the goods. We will do it. We want that very much. But it's going to take time. All of these goods are going to be a lot more fun if they are being made by players.


Indeed. Instead of selling the clothes coming from CCP NPCs, would be awesome to buy "Designs" the clothing blueprints.

Players would then have to procure the materials to manufacture them with a supply chain that involves both space and planetary interaction.

This could evolve into integrating the Dust 514 economy with EVE's.

That would be the EVE way to do it. The whole gold store seems silly, like Maple Story.

Auric Aurumfinger
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:46:00 - [215]
 

Originally by: Carai an'Caldazar
Edited by: Carai an''Caldazar on 08/07/2011 14:36:12
How is immersion into the EVE universe supposed to be kept when a single article of (dare I say common) clothing costs, for all intents and purposes, more than a Faction Battleship?

Completely ignoring the RL money issue here, and just focusing on the ISK aspect.

Seems somewhat silly in a virtual universe, to completely break immersion in this way.

Just my thoughts... Very Happy


Agree. Clothing will cost more than fully fitted faction BS with faction everything.

Auric Aurumfinger
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:49:00 - [216]
 

How about new ship designs? Don't you dare sell a Stabber in full golden glory. It will look like a flying dildo.

How about more spaceship science fiction and less space dolls?

Jag'Deo
Gallente
Funky Chill Collective
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:53:00 - [217]
 

LOL CCP you are dumb

Dierdra Vaal
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:55:00 - [218]
 

Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 08/07/2011 15:02:10
Quote:
If you are currently wearing an outfit, it is effectively indestructible so put it on before you leave if you're making your purchase at a well-traveled market hub like Jita.


How does this work? EVE canon tells us we're naked in our pod. This is told in chronicles, eve novels and the trailer where a capsuleer leaves his pod.

So how do you justify/explain my clothes magically traveling with me - even after being podded (and losing normal implants but somehow magically not losing a monocle implant)?

Other than that, this blog did nothing to explain what CCP's pricing strategy is (and as with all these things, the imporant why), it did not explain the reasoning and strategy beyond the pricing tiers other than that there are tiers. I would point you to one of Team Gridlock's technical devblogs to show how a real explanation is done properly.

LC Sulla
Caldari
House Mekarae
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:56:00 - [219]
 

Edited by: LC Sulla on 08/07/2011 16:07:50
Edited by: LC Sulla on 08/07/2011 15:01:09
I just can't get my head around why you (CCP) insist on calling these thing 'microtransactions'. You don't call a 1 month subscription a micro-transaction because it's a macro-transaction (15 Euro).

If the cheapest tier (admittedly a whole outfit) will be equivalent to a single PLEX then there is no micro about it. Why not throw out a ton of low tier vanity items for, say, a buck then more people might use it.

I personally think it's an odd business decision to start at the top (i.e. expensive) then be forced work your way down rather than start at the bottom with real MICRO-transactions then work your way up.


Celeste Benal
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:57:00 - [220]
 

Originally by: Aineko Macx
Your pricing is still off by two orders of magnitude.

Lower the prices substantially, and make the vanity items dropable & destroyable AND show on the kill mails. That would be 100% more eve-like.



^this. All of this. I was just thinking to myself that CCP could either increase the amount of Aur given per PLEX or drop some prices by 2-3x.

I actually like the look of some of the outfits in the NeX store.

Ryas Nia
Minmatar
Veto.
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:58:00 - [221]
 

your NEX items are breaking eve game play because they are not destructible, they need to be like implants and explode with your clone.

Teir 1 = $1-$2 an item
Teir 2 = $3-$4 an item
Teir 3 = $5+ an item

if they blow up then you will make far far more in the long haul as people will buy the same outfit more than once, at best your going to get $20 per 100 accounts (notice i did not say people) once a year with your current pricing and the fact that clothing does not explode.

Zinfandel, you should quit, you dont get Eve, or go work on WOD your pricing and fashion taste makes more sense there. Eve is hyper capitalism and there is no such thing as persistent objects (other than stations which needs to change too :P )

Smagd
Encina Technologies
Namtz' aar K'in
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:59:00 - [222]
 

Lol.

Reading these Dev Blogs starts to amuse me in the same way old Godzilla movies amuse me.

Juggalo Stazz
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.08 15:02:00 - [223]
 

I can give a crap about what goes into the Nex store. The only thing I never want to see is a splash screen or a site update saying "Down time has been extended do to issues with stocking items in the Nex store" or anything to that effect.

Zarnak Wulf
Posted - 2011.07.08 15:06:00 - [224]
 

I'd prefer that CCP spends more of it's time balancing ships. Unless of course they make some Red Baron fighter goggles. I probably couldn't resist those...

Celeste Benal
Posted - 2011.07.08 15:09:00 - [225]
 

Originally by: Zagdul
if they had released the lower tier first on the Incarna release, a metric fu%Kton of PLEX's would have been cashed in for AUR and the market would have literally crashed.


You don't understand markets at all. A sudden increase in demand (cashing in) of PLEX would have resulted in a drop in supply, thus increasing PLEX prices for isk. That is not a crash.

Personally, I was kind of hoping there would be a huge sudden bubble. I would have bought some PLEX and put them on the market.

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2011.07.08 15:11:00 - [226]
 

Why does the preview of NeX' items takes insane long times to load? This is NO fun at all.


SwissChris1
Playboy Delivery Service
S E D I T I O N
Posted - 2011.07.08 15:13:00 - [227]
 

Stop making clothes and continue making ship re-designs! Seriously, it's been over a year since the new Scorpion model was released...now we got the Maller...

time to give people what they REALLY want!


Palovana
Caldari
Inner Fire Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.08 15:18:00 - [228]
 

CBA to read through the whole thread, only read the devblog and blue posts.

The default clothes cover my naughty bits just fine.

What's next CCP? Removing the clock from the bottom of the screen and letting us buy virtual watches for Aurum?

I couldn't care less about buying any of this stuff.

Enough of this posterior-oriented haberdashery! Stop trying to milk me for more $, my nipples hurt! Grumpy old men don't give milk!

Dodgy Past
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Posted - 2011.07.08 15:24:00 - [229]
 

Edited by: Dodgy Past on 08/07/2011 15:27:33
Suddenly PLEX has gone from a necessary evil to combat RMT to CCP actively promoting it as their own 'official' form of RMT. ( Encouraging people to buy PLEX, convert to Aurum, buy stuff then put on the market )

Why would anyone want to go through the effort re-establish an emotional connection with this game.

That's even before the fact that non-vanity items are so obviously on the way since the only reason it would be difficult to classify them would be if you want an excuse to sell some non-vanity items and argue that they are for vanity.

What bemuses me is Eve is the 2nd most successful MMO to ever be produced, the original model has worked extremely well and the only thing holding it back is bitterness at neglected features preventing more people recommending the game to others.

So you'd think the obvious thing would be to work on the obvious flaws, not introduce MT and throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Celgar Thurn
Minmatar
Department 10
Posted - 2011.07.08 15:24:00 - [230]
 

Most people will get miles more enjoyment from spending 15 on a plex, selling it for ISK, and spending that on ships,bpc's,modules etc than on one 'affordable' uniform.
You have no idea on the pricing whatsoever. I would suggest one plex (15) would buy a complete uniform,or four separate pieces for those who wished to 'mix n match',of the highest quality/rarest designs of clothing.The affordable would probably be priced at quarter or third of one plex ( 4 to 5.) for a complete uniform or four separate pieces.
Better designs need to be made. Distinctive racial military uniforms for each four races need to be made. Other ranges of clothing coul be brought out such as industrial/mining clothing, 'business/trading' style designs, and mercenary/pirate influenced designs.
The basic principle of the Nex store and Aurum is sound but it has been very poorly implemented and I fear without drastic changes it will fail miserably and have a negative effect on the EVE universe.

Asta Ddu
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.08 15:25:00 - [231]
 

What on earth are CCP thinking, cheap clothes costing more than a Battleship!!!

Get a grip on reality, stop adding stuff that doesnt affect the game and put people on to fixing bugs, some of which are as old as the game!

And get someone to explain to your shareholders that growth in income will come once the other projects you are working on are finished!

Concentrate on keeping your core customers not trying to alienate them!

Mors Magne
Astral Adventure
Posted - 2011.07.08 15:31:00 - [232]
 

Most people whining on this thread are basically saying the same thing, "these clothes are irrelevant".

Well, at the moment they are irrelevant. This is why rooms for socialising (bars etc) should be made available as soon as possible.

I don't agree that "worn clothing should be treated like cargo when it comes to combat". This is because the clothes you wear form part of your personal identity - losing them may cause reduced emotional attachment to Eve Online.

SwissChris1
Playboy Delivery Service
S E D I T I O N
Posted - 2011.07.08 15:41:00 - [233]
 

Edited by: SwissChris1 on 08/07/2011 15:41:25
Originally by: Mors Magne

Well, at the moment they are irrelevant. This is why rooms for socialising (bars etc) should be made available as soon as possible.



Yep this is where CCP failed big time...releasing the store before walking in stations...there would be marginally less whining imo

Solosky
Posted - 2011.07.08 15:41:00 - [234]
 

So CCP is about to transfer social in-equality from real world into the game - so 95-99% of gamers could see and feel themselves as bitterly poor peasants?

I demand $500 monocle (which should look gorgeous btw - not like present dog's a**hole) to feel myself at the same level of superiority as in RL!

=)

Toriessian
Amarr
Helion Production Labs
Independent Operators Consortium
Posted - 2011.07.08 15:42:00 - [235]
 

Originally by: SwissChris1
Stop making clothes and continue making ship re-designs! Seriously, it's been over a year since the new Scorpion model was released...now we got the Maller...

time to give people what they REALLY want!




Dude a few posts above you said he wanted Red Baron fighter goggles....lol thats kind of ironic

kanmi
Posted - 2011.07.08 15:45:00 - [236]
 

Ahhhhhhh!!
Wanna make some money CCP! Got another AMAZING idea:

FIRE that cloths designers team, majority of your costumers realy dont wanna, dont need it or even care.

See.. saving money firing useless employees... BEST way! :P How amazing huh!?

SwissChris1
Playboy Delivery Service
S E D I T I O N
Posted - 2011.07.08 15:45:00 - [237]
 

Originally by: Toriessian

Dude a few posts above you said he wanted Red Baron fighter goggles....lol thats kind of ironic


I would totally pay 1 plex for Red Baron fighter goggles Laughing...but not 4 plex or whatever CCP will want for them

drinking12many
Minmatar
Nine Inch Ninja Corp
Posted - 2011.07.08 15:49:00 - [238]
 

Swing and a miss.... space barbie ftmfl

Doc Bizarro
Posted - 2011.07.08 15:53:00 - [239]
 

LOL CCP

Ruffio Sepico
Minmatar
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
Posted - 2011.07.08 15:57:00 - [240]
 

Edited by: Ruffio Sepico on 08/07/2011 15:58:08
Originally by: Tarinara
Originally by: Resivan
No matter how many times you trot out the "you can buy them for isk" line, it doesn't change the fact that a PLEX has a par value of $15. I'm not willing to spend more than a couple of bucks an item, especially as long as the items are this ugly. Show me prices in the AUR 250-500 range and I'll think about it.

I'm with Resivan on this point. Everything in that NeX store gets converted to 'Real Money' in my head. $20 for a PLEX to 3,500 Aurum ( because ultimately that's the path you want us taking to inject money into the game ). Plus considering you have to shell out $20.00 for a PLEX just to get in the door, that puts a damper on impulse buys to begin with.

It also seems y'all have a different definition of the phrase 'Micro Transaction'. I would think CCP would want these to fall under impulse purchases, much like the racks of magazines, candy and other assorted goodies at the check out in grocery stores. A buck or two for an individual item and maybe $5.00 or so for an entire 'outfit'. That puts it into the 'yeah sure, why not' category.

I doubt I'm in the minority when I say: '$20.00 for some digital bits that I can't really touch or take with me - I think not'... Wink



You can already price ships in $ how many plex for a titan, mom and so on if you want. The only difference this is vanity items that you don't really need. I don't undestand why people think this way? Do you start ponder about the $ value of a titan you buy PLEX to get would been a nice downpayment on a new car?

If players don't care about or wont use the NEX shop, then dont use it or bother about it. If others do, let them do it. I got no intentions to use it, but cba either way if other players does.

As with supply and demand else in the world. If prices to high, no one will go for it. And as with EVE else. Just because something is in the game, doesn't mean everyone is able to use it or get it.

Why so much emo rage from serious inernetspaceships pilots anyways over barbie clothes Laughing


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