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Tarinara
Posted - 2011.07.08 13:23:00 - [181]
 

Originally by: Resivan
No matter how many times you trot out the "you can buy them for isk" line, it doesn't change the fact that a PLEX has a par value of $15. I'm not willing to spend more than a couple of bucks an item, especially as long as the items are this ugly. Show me prices in the AUR 250-500 range and I'll think about it.

I'm with Resivan on this point. Everything in that NeX store gets converted to 'Real Money' in my head. $20 for a PLEX to 3,500 Aurum ( because ultimately that's the path you want us taking to inject money into the game ). Plus considering you have to shell out $20.00 for a PLEX just to get in the door, that puts a damper on impulse buys to begin with.

It also seems y'all have a different definition of the phrase 'Micro Transaction'. I would think CCP would want these to fall under impulse purchases, much like the racks of magazines, candy and other assorted goodies at the check out in grocery stores. A buck or two for an individual item and maybe $5.00 or so for an entire 'outfit'. That puts it into the 'yeah sure, why not' category.

I doubt I'm in the minority when I say: '$20.00 for some digital bits that I can't really touch or take with me - I think not'... Wink

Ketaros Thunderclap
Warrioth Clan
Posted - 2011.07.08 13:24:00 - [182]
 

Well,

I have read amazing replies, and very good analyses, Jada Maroo and few others resumed perfecly, 5 other pages here are just being cycles of whine about price and game strategy that I dont see nothing special...

The whole point is simple, and resumes to a marvelous simple move:
- Make AUR be only bought with real money, without ANY connection with ISK.

I know PLEX was a big business mistake you guys did, dont try to correct a mistake doing another.
CCP, do the math, separate real money from ISK, ASAP. I know MANY will hate me for saying this...

In the last 4 years I have been a Market Player on EVE, and I know and CCP know that like me there are few other players more kidding with 3 digits billions ISK accounts, that we could be the one interested by this tyer/clothing thing, make profit or even make our avatar look cool, but I can tell right away: we are not. I know for fact thats not a game thing being placed for those like me who play EVE like a Market Tycoon.

CCP, do that thing for the huge majority of players you have:
- Set this fashion thing only traded by AUR, and make that AUR only tradable by real money and make a item costs around a dollar. You will get WAY more money.

My 2 ISKs,

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2011.07.08 13:33:00 - [183]
 

Originally by: Ketaros Thunderclap
The whole point is simple, and resumes to a marvelous simple move:
- Make AUR be only bought with real money, without ANY connection with ISK.
Makes little sense. They would need to invent the wheel again, especially the trouble with accounting, billing etc. is way too high. Actually nothing useful can be gained by introducing a second, completely independent currency into EVE. Instead you have only PLEX and fractions of PLEX called Aur. They should have called it Plexicent instead of Aur though. The integration of Aur into EVE (through PLEX) is a great move and a very good thing.

Quote:
I know PLEX was a big business mistake you guys did, dont try to correct a mistake doing another.
CCP, do the math, separate real money from ISK, ASAP. I know MANY will hate me for saying this...
PLEX was the second best thing CCP ever did, the best one was GTC.

Quote:
In the last 4 years I have been a Market Player on EVE, and I know and CCP know that like me there are few other players more kidding with 3 digits billions ISK accounts, that we could be the one interested by this tyer/clothing thing, make profit or even make our avatar look cool, but I can tell right away: we are not. I know for fact thats not a game thing being placed for those like me who play EVE like a Market Tycoon.

They aren't aiming for you. They are trying to attract *shock* new players! A different kind of player, those that like dress up etc. Too difficult to understand that? Looks like.

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.07.08 13:34:00 - [184]
 

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
It takes a lot more work to be able to make a system where the players can make the goods. We will do it. We want that very much. But it's going to take time. All of these goods are going to be a lot more fun if they are being made by players.


Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

We found you Zinfandel! Perhaps you should should add helmets and matching drool cups for your toons.....

Tvaishk Suzuki
Long Night Industries
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.08 13:35:00 - [185]
 

Tbh I feel your still pricing things to high for even the average player, you should be looking at a minimum at least 2 of not 4 outfits per a plex for the affordable tear.

The way you have things set out here really isn't very good, I welcome more items coming, we really really need alot out there, I'd love to see people with hundreds of outfits and capsuleas employing workers to make these. but the main point is price, you've gone to high.


And then theirs the immersion and scale factor. your basically setting it fo a low end outfit will cost nearly the same as a faction bs ISK wise, I can understand there being a discrepancy but but this is just to big.


also while this is hard to put into words really I feel certainly and I think quite alot of others do, that we are worried about such high prices and your seeming of pushing of plex to get these as if you need us to get rid of plex.

Crasniya
Gallente
Dragon's Legion of New Eden
Posted - 2011.07.08 13:38:00 - [186]
 

Even the "affordable" tier is way too pricey when you consider the cost of PLEX. A set of clothes at the cheapest being around, possibly a little less, than $20?

For a game like Champions Online, you can pick up a clothing pack, which contains more than one possible suit, for $4. So... even the affordable tier looks to be overpriced by a factor of five.

That being said... vanity items are vanity items, unless I saw one I really wanted, I won't buy in. Show me something I like, at a good price, and yeah, I'll splurge. I've splurged on vanity items for Warcraft and Champions.

Shonion
FREE GATES
HUN Reloaded
Posted - 2011.07.08 13:39:00 - [187]
 

Go Go SpaceBarbieeees!...

Tvaishk Suzuki
Long Night Industries
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.08 13:40:00 - [188]
 

Originally by: Gnulpie

Quote:
In the last 4 years I have been a Market Player on EVE, and I know and CCP know that like me there are few other players more kidding with 3 digits billions ISK accounts, that we could be the one interested by this tyer/clothing thing, make profit or even make our avatar look cool, but I can tell right away: we are not. I know for fact thats not a game thing being placed for those like me who play EVE like a Market Tycoon.

They aren't aiming for you. They are trying to attract *shock* new players! A different kind of player, those that like dress up etc. Too difficult to understand that? Looks like.



However the way there doing it here there not going to get many new players, who will have to A) but the game b) pay the sub then c) pay more then the sub again for each new outfit.

this just doesn't seem like a good way to attract new players.

Vuk Lau
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.07.08 13:40:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Vuk Lau
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
Hey guys,

Important note here. This is about learning. We need to learn about this stuff. We are just dipping our toes into the water here, seeing how this all works while being careful not to mess up the economy. So far, we've been successful at protecting the EVE economy. PLEX prices on the ISK market are currently unaffected.

We aren't making a lot of money but that's not the point.

Any questions?



Thanx for coming out to the players, but I am positive that we are all sharing the same concern the clothes are overpriced. I mean paying 45-60$ for piece of midtier virtual cloth is kinda...insulting. I could ALMOST swallow that price for some VIP ultra exclusive piece of thongs made of titanium, but not for midtier Tshirt. Please reconsider your price politics or we will stay naked (or maybe thats the REAL intention of CCP marketing dept - naked pilots everywhere)


Being naked IS the VIP ultra exclusive outfit they are talking about. I'll get one if you do. Very Happy


We have a deal.

Dennie Fleetfoot
Posted - 2011.07.08 13:42:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
It takes a lot more work to be able to make a system where the players can make the goods. We will do it. We want that very much. But it's going to take time. All of these goods are going to be a lot more fun if they are being made by players.


Ok. If this is the eventual aim, with a player driven manufacture cycle and market force driven pricing structure, then I'm fine with it. With a small number or uber rare CCP seeded items. As long as it stays vanity. If this had been explained like this earlier before the launch, we wouldn't have had the kicking off that happened. But then it wouldn't be CCP if they didn't screw up the communication to their customers in some way.

I still think your an idiot if you decide to spent the equivalent of £50+ for a virtual piece of clothing however...

Lotus Starshine
Posted - 2011.07.08 13:45:00 - [191]
 

I can only imagine the experience for new players now.

I liked Eve when I started- a fairly quick tutorial, then out into space to mess around.

I'm on a two year old Mac- but I imagine most people aren't on new machines. If I was new to Eve now. I could imagine spending an hour and a half as my machine tries to get up the juice to use the character creator.

Then another 30 minutes as I load into my first station.

I'm afraid they would have lost me. Which sucks, because when you get into the real part of the game- it can be a lot of fun.

I will be very curious to see their new subscription rates in the next report.

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.07.08 13:49:00 - [192]
 

Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
It takes a lot more work to be able to make a system where the players can make the goods. We will do it. We want that very much. But it's going to take time. All of these goods are going to be a lot more fun if they are being made by players.


Ok. If this is the eventual aim, with a player driven manufacture cycle and market force driven pricing structure, then I'm fine with it. With a small number or uber rare CCP seeded items. As long as it stays vanity. If this had been explained like this earlier before the launch, we wouldn't have had the kicking off that happened. But then it wouldn't be CCP if they didn't screw up the communication to their customers in some way.

I still think your an idiot if you decide to spent the equivalent of £50+ for a virtual piece of clothing however...


Would you feel the same if the only way to get T2 bpc were from the NeX?????

HyperZerg
Posted - 2011.07.08 13:51:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
Hey guys,
We aren't making a lot of money but that's not the point.

Any questions?


Your make 10-15€ for every Plex convertet to Aurum.

Why aren't you making a lot of money ? Too many customers quit because you want them to pay double ?

Also, why this funny prices ? 15€ is LOW for an item that just enhances your look ?

Persephone 66
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.08 13:52:00 - [194]
 

Attn anyone at CCP that actually gives a ****:

I didn't come here to play dress up. If I wanted to **** away real money on virtual clothes, I'll get an account on Second Life.

I came for the spaceships. I came for the epic fleet battles. For the combat.

Get your priorities straight and quit breaking my favourite game.

Tar om
Minmatar
Octavian Vanguard
Posted - 2011.07.08 13:53:00 - [195]
 

Will CCP be hiring any talented designers to create clothes worth paying for or will they continue to produce the "Clothes designed by game geeks" range?

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.07.08 13:59:00 - [196]
 

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
We are just dipping our toes into the water here
…what I think I'm saying is this: dipping your toes will only make the whole thing unpleasant and protracted. A good swim begins with a head-long dive and a lot of splashing around.

Mo'Chuisle
Gallente
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:02:00 - [197]
 

Edited by: Mo''Chuisle on 08/07/2011 14:02:44
I don't know what exactly you guys are all complaining about, IRL I'm just preparing my outfit for going out tonight and it's going to run me about 600 million dollar, which is roughly one F-35. Compare that with being able to afford an entire outfit for the cost of merely 7 dominix class battleships in eve (which are clearly outdated technology compared to a F 35 in the real world) I feel not only are these noble items affordable, they also make good sense from a RP perspective and help my immersion a lot.

I do feel bad for the roughly 35000 crew members (a battleship had about 5000 crew in the eve lore back in the day, right) that will be laid off when I refine a couple of my unused old ship to buy more new outfits for standing in front of the mirror in

Orpheus Ovid
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:04:00 - [198]
 

I like it. I would have liked it better if you would have included the BPOs with the item or at least a BPC.

I believe that CCP seriously needs to look into other career paths that people can take in EVE besides space. For instance, perhaps someone would like to set up and run a bar/restaurant in one of the stations. Eventually, they could franchise. The examples are as endless as there are real careers in the world. Don't let the opportunity of increasing the number of paths we can take pass you by.

Luke S
Zeta Corp.
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:08:00 - [199]
 

You still fail to understand the "Micro" in Microtransaction. your reasoning is still not good enough. I can pay for real life close for the costs you have set.

if you said, "we picked theses prices because we need to pay the clothing designers" then I would have accepted it.

whatever you say, your nex market STILL says you want money and only money. I'm sorry, but I'm not coming back. Yes you respect the players and their comments, yet it seems like your are not.

Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:08:00 - [200]
 

If that's your military theme, then I'm disappointed.

Where's our Gallente, Caldari, Minmatar and Amarr militia uniforms?

Persephone 66
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:11:00 - [201]
 

Originally by: Tar om
Will CCP be hiring any talented designers to create clothes worth paying for or will they continue to produce the "Clothes designed by game geeks" range?


Yeah really. Would it hurt to hire a few queens and queers to design your clothes?

And before anyone *****es, I am a queen and a queer.

Hey, here's a thought that I'm sure has been said before - give the players a design option!

Captain Drifter
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:12:00 - [202]
 

So... you are telling that those funny prices on my screen when I first launched this NEX-thing weren't a bug at all ?.....

c'mon...


Jaggfab
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:14:00 - [203]
 


yeah.... and next step is to make our battlecruisers wearable as clothes ?? or what ??

300'000'000 isk for a suit ? .... Question

Di Mulle
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:20:00 - [204]
 

Not so long ago when Incarna was just a name, I remember lots of fanboys screaming in joy how they will get their corps uniformed...

Can't blame them, If I wasn't a rather cynical spreadsheet user, I probably would find some fun in that too.

Look, the train of joy finally arrived. Or it didn't... ?

John McCreedy
Caldari
Eve Defence Force
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:20:00 - [205]
 

I still think you're all confused over the issues. Most people in Eve don't give a toss about vanity items. All we ever wanted to know was whether there where plans, as per the leaked document, to introduce items that provided distinct advantages to the purchaser and circumvented the player economy that could be bought with real world currency. It was never about price of monocles.

If you really want to move on from all this debacle, I suggest a blog outlining plans to deal with rampant botting in 0.0 and all the other issues we have regarding internet spaceships as opposed to space barbies.

Daedalus II
Helios Research
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:20:00 - [206]
 

Originally by: Jaggfab

yeah.... and next step is to make our battlecruisers wearable as clothes ?? or what ??

300'000'000 isk for a suit ? .... Question

Well that's exactly what you would get if you guys got it the way you wanted and have *ALL* CCP employees (including clothes designers) working on the spaceships Razz

Not-Apsalar
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:23:00 - [207]
 

Edited by: Not-Apsalar on 08/07/2011 14:23:32
Originally by: Jaggfab

yeah.... and next step is to make our battlecruisers wearable as clothes ?? or what ??

300'000'000 isk for a suit ? .... Question


Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

What a battlecruiser wearable as clothes may look like

/I want hats. Ship shaped hats.

Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:29:00 - [208]
 

I thought this line was particularly amusing;

"We are planning to offer clothing and accessories at an affordable tier, a mid-tier, and a deluxe tier, with occasional exceptional offers of rare goods for a very limited number of customers".

i.e all tiers after the 'affordable' tier are, by default, not affordable. Very Happy

C.

Edgar Loke
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:33:00 - [209]
 

Its all still WAY overpriced for what I would pay in microtransactions. Isn't the point of microtransaction based stuff to be lots of super cheap items that are picked up peacemeal by the community, and then the people with WAY too much damn money run off and buy everything?

I can't afford this stuff at these prices.

Carai an'Caldazar
Amarr
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:34:00 - [210]
 

Edited by: Carai an''Caldazar on 08/07/2011 14:36:12
How is immersion into the EVE universe supposed to be kept when a single article of (dare I say common) clothing costs, for all intents and purposes, more than a Faction Battleship?

Completely ignoring the RL money issue here, and just focusing on the ISK aspect.

Seems somewhat silly in a virtual universe, to completely break immersion in this way.

Just my thoughts... Very Happy


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