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Gallion
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:33:00 - [61]
 

Ive got no complaints about the Pricing of things, and I think Strongly on the Whiners of the Currant Price. I think 3,500 aurum for 1 plex is reasonably good. but I would like to ask if their is gonna be any Very Unique Outfits like the kind that makes your character a Playboy bunny (Quafe Bunny?) or perhaps some robotic Ligaments(I'm assuming it be with the cloths and not on a Individual Slot)? I'd Really like to see some Militaristic Outfits, Career Specialized outfits(Overalls), Jumpjet booties!, Space-like combative Armor, I wanna see some CCP Signature Eve-Santa Suits(or hats), incase ur wondering im making a To-do list for your NoXe store Laughing.
I'm probably as poor as the majority of players in this game and from my view things are Just great. CCP(& Fallout) Kudos on the great work. (p.s. the recent melodramas is just silly)

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:33:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel

We aren't making a lot of money but that's not the point.

Any questions?


Yes.

A while back, a company called Apple discovered that if you sell songs for 99 cents people will buy them. Using this information, and combining it with an intuitive interface, the company became wildly successful and fabulously wealthy.

You, on the other hand, have decided to market $60 sets of virtual clothes hardcore geeks who are here to blow up spaceships and to casual newcomers with no real ties to the game. In fact the only group you've had any success with are forum trolls who use monocles as tear dispensors and even those are one-time purchases.

So my question is: When is the last time you updated your resume? Laughing

wiLik
Zor Industries
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:34:00 - [63]
 

CCP, your pricing strategy for entry level items still seems a little on the outrageous side.

Surely having much lower entry level prices would attract more poeple and therefore would be a much higher uptake which in turn would make you more $. Question

Aineko Macx
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:34:00 - [64]
 

Your pricing is still off by two orders of magnitude.

Lower the prices substantially, and make the vanity items dropable & destroyable AND show on the kill mails. That would be 100% more eve-like.

Mors Magne
Astral Adventure
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:35:00 - [65]
 

I like these dev blogs - I really enjoy reading about progress in Eve! Very Happy

I would like to hear more about content in future rooms that players will meet up in - mini games, such as Slay (and maybe Chess?) for example.

Personally, I would look forward to PvPing in mini games. My aspiration is to be like the character in the book Player of Games!

William Brooklyn
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:35:00 - [66]
 

Am i the first one to say fix the bloody game first before you start working on useless stuff?

Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:35:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Vuk Lau
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
Hey guys,

Important note here. This is about learning. We need to learn about this stuff. We are just dipping our toes into the water here, seeing how this all works while being careful not to mess up the economy. So far, we've been successful at protecting the EVE economy. PLEX prices on the ISK market are currently unaffected.

We aren't making a lot of money but that's not the point.

Any questions?


Thanx for coming out to the players, but I am positive that we are all sharing the same concern the clothes are overpriced. I mean paying 45-60$ for piece of midtier virtual cloth is kinda...insulting. I could ALMOST swallow that price for some VIP ultra exclusive piece of thongs made of titanium, but not for midtier Tshirt. Please reconsider your price politics or we will stay naked (or maybe thats the REAL intention of CCP marketing dept - naked pilots everywhere)


Being naked IS the VIP ultra exclusive outfit they are talking about. I'll get one if you do. Very Happy

Niraia
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:36:00 - [68]
 

This breaks immersion. Why can't I buy a few girls, some materials, and a few sewing machines for like 100k ISK or less?

Also, the skirts are too short. If nobody can see my underwear, this is pointless.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:36:00 - [69]
 

Personally I dont care that much about the prices, I wont buy it anyway.

However CCP said they wanted to attract new people with the playing barbie concept (well they probably put it nicer).

Now imagine a new player, the new player is not interested in this, but he reads it anyway, and walks away laughing for a week straight with these insane prices.
Now we also have a new player who is intrested in playing barbie. She (hey lets hope it result in more females) is looking forward to putting her avatar in good looking clothes and is willing to spend a bit on that. But the idea behind MT is that she spends a bit on that. Here the mid-range cloths are as expensive as IRL. Now I wont claim to be an expert on females, but I am pretty sure most of them rather go shopping IRL than in a spaceship game if it costs just as much.

And that is just the mid tier. Someone like this wants to look good, better than the average spaceship geek, so she wants the high tier stuff. For a single outfit she could have bought a new mid-end gaming computer, and that is even ignoring the extreme-tier stuff. That is simply ridiculous.


Yes we will have eve players that will buy such stuff since they simply buy PLEX because they got way too much ingame ISK. While it is nice you can buy it like that, it doesnt really help attracting new players. A high end outfit will be in the order of a supercarrier, that doesnt really attract new players either.

Morgan Polaris
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:37:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: Morgan Polaris on 08/07/2011 11:39:07
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
nonsense


Here:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0131856774

Look for: Reference Price Effect, buyer’s price sensitivity for a given product increases the higher the product’s price relative to perceived alternatives (e.g. real clothes).

Really brosefs, the learning has been done for you. Like forever ago.

Mitchello
B O R G
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:39:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Morgan Polaris
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
nonsense


Here:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0131856774

Look for: Reference Price Effect, buyer’s price sensitivity for a given product increases the higher the product’s price relative to perceived alternatives (e.g. real clothes).




You may want to start at the basis, and teach them the differences between retail concepts and service model operations before even exploring the limitations of consumerism in these matters as a concept to experiment with.

Shasz
Angels of Anarchy
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:40:00 - [72]
 

The whole MT thing is fine - there are definitely people out there with more money than brains. Witness all the monocles already sold.

But if you want the expensive clothing to even remotely seem exclusive, you've got to have common items too. Otherwise the owners of the exclusive and "unique" high priced items will all just look alike. I know you're experimenting, but put a little thought into it first maybe?

Regardless, you've reduced your revenue stream from me and my wife until you start working on addressing issues with the game itself. Dress up dolls is frivolous and pointless until you can actually see other people in stations, and you've introduced several flaws in the UI with the last several patches that you've not fixed - so I'm not spending any extra on a broken game I have no desire to play right now, or maintaining any extra accounts.

Fix it please.

Bethor Invictus
New Eden Recon Force
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:40:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: Bethor Invictus on 08/07/2011 11:40:24
Really cool i can now buy a top tier pair of pants for the price of a RL pair of pants. guess who will be playing eve naked..

..not me at least

Zagdul
Gallente
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:40:00 - [74]
 

Hello CCP Zinfandel,

Has the potential for a 3rd party or standalone development tool been discussed to possibly allow for players to design their own clothes?

My thought process behind this if you'll hear me out for a moment.

CCP is trying to allow for 3rd party devs to make money, real money. If those developers were able to create clothing and put it into an EVE store where they received a royalty from CCP themselves for the development of something, I think it would kill a lot of birds with a single stone and provide for a way that everyone can contribute to EVE.

This later can be further developed into "addons" that people can create if you were to develop a framework that is releasable to the public to do things like, create restaurants/homes/hotels/toy stores/body augmentation/barber shops/hat shops...

The possibilities are endless for everything to furniture manufacturers all the way through commercial design for store fronts and display cases.

This is a HUGE project for CCP to undertake and quite possibly if the framework for something that the community can develop, you'd allow for more player generated content, a way for CCP and the players to make some money and an entire mini-game within the EVE universe to allow for complete immersion.


Thank you for taking the time to read my long winded idea.

CCP Zinfandel

Posted - 2011.07.08 11:41:00 - [75]
 

We added some new items to the store just now during downtime. May I draw your attention to the "Nightstalker" goggles for 1500 Aurum?

Obvious part: we need a lot more affordable items in the store. As soon as I can, I will get them and stock them.

QwaarJet
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:42:00 - [76]
 

I still don't agree with these vanity items at all. Feels like EVE is being changed into something unpleasant.

Mitchello
B O R G
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:43:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
We added some new items to the store just now during downtime. May I draw your attention to the "Nightstalker" goggles for 1500 Aurum?

Obvious part: we need a lot more affordable items in the store. As soon as I can, I will get them and stock them.


I hate to say this, but this feedback thread is not an advertising channel =P

Meanwhile, in the aftermath of recent events of which the most important lesson of all was the gap in communications, would you agree that it is perhaps an idea to go into questions and feedback?


Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:43:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Bethor Invictus
Edited by: Bethor Invictus on 08/07/2011 11:40:24
Really cool i can now buy a top tier pair of pants for the price of a RL pair of pants. guess who will be playing eve naked..

..not me at least

A top tier of pants are arround 10 plex according to this blog, so you can buy more than one normal pair of pants. It is roughly same price as you would pay for top tier RL pants.

Zagdul
Gallente
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:43:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: Zagdul on 08/07/2011 11:45:54
Originally by: Jada Maroo
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel

We aren't making a lot of money but that's not the point.

Any questions?


Yes.

A while back, a company called Apple discovered that if you sell songs for 99 cents people will buy them. Using this information, and combining it with an intuitive interface, the company became wildly successful and fabulously wealthy.

You, on the other hand, have decided to market $60 sets of virtual clothes hardcore geeks who are here to blow up spaceships and to casual newcomers with no real ties to the game. In fact the only group you've had any success with are forum trolls who use monocles as tear dispensors and even those are one-time purchases.

So my question is: When is the last time you updated your resume? Laughing


Hi.

I think the point you and a LOT of people have missed is that
if they had released the lower tier first on the Incarna release, a metric fu%Kton of PLEX's would have been cashed in for AUR and the market would have literally crashed.




Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
Hey guys,

Important note here. This is about learning. We need to learn about this stuff. We are just dipping our toes into the water here, seeing how this all works while being careful not to mess up the economy. So far, we've been successful at protecting the EVE economy. PLEX prices on the ISK market are currently unaffected.

We aren't making a lot of money but that's not the point.

Any questions?



Bolded and underlined the important part you may have read over.



Morgan Polaris
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:44:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
Downtime starts in 15 minutes and will make some small tweaks to the store goods at that time (and add a few new items.)


Nice going, suckers.

Hosiden
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:45:00 - [81]
 

Quote:
An exceptional tier is rumored to exist that represents a very special and rare investment for the wealthiest members of the EVE community.


Am i the only one that find this abit disturbing?

Reilly Duvolle
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:46:00 - [82]
 

ROFL @ "Exceptional tier". I actually laughed tears in my eyes at that one. Good one CCP. This seems to be one giant experiment for you to determine just how much real money you can suck out of the players. I am gonna go out on the limb here and estimate that griefbuys aside (monocles), you are not gonna see much sales at the upper 3 tiers, and little more at the bottom tier. If the numbers from EA are correct, only 2-3% of the pouplation can be considered peacocks anyway.

What really bugs me however, is just how much of your dev resorces you are pouring into this bull****.

DeBingJos
Minmatar
Goat Holdings
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:46:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: QwaarJet
I still don't agree with these vanity items at all. Feels like EVE is being changed into something unpleasant.


Welcome to yesterday. Rolling Eyes

@Zinnfandel: How does this all fit in from a roleplaying perspective? I could buy 2 carriers for the price of one (1) monocle? This may seem not important to you, but I really breaks immersion...

Trinneth
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:46:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel

We aren't making a lot of money but that's not the point.

Any questions?


Yes.

Firstly, is it fair to say there's been no rethink on price in response to both the player and media reaction over the last few weeks?

Secondly, if it's not making you much money, and it is eating up developer time, then aren't microtransactions doing exactly what many players feared - diverting precious development resources away from core gameplay and into content most players won't have access to?

Ydnari
Gallente
Estrale Frontiers
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:47:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
We added some new items to the store just now during downtime. May I draw your attention to the "Nightstalker" goggles for 1500 Aurum?

Obvious part: we need a lot more affordable items in the store. As soon as I can, I will get them and stock them.

$8.50 for what looks like some badly rendered welding goggles?

And again, more expensive than the real life version.

Zagdul
Gallente
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:47:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Hosiden
Quote:
An exceptional tier is rumored to exist that represents a very special and rare investment for the wealthiest members of the EVE community.


Am i the only one that find this abit disturbing?
I don't.

They're vanity items.

Stuff that doesn't effect gameplay.


Htrag
The Carebear Stare
Hydroponic Zone
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:49:00 - [87]
 

What the F has my Eve become?

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:49:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
So far, we've been successful at protecting the EVE economy. PLEX prices on the ISK market are currently unaffected.

We aren't making a lot of money but that's not the point.
…and tbh, I think that's one of the main problems here. If you had gone after it as a money-making enterprise, you would probably have chosen prices that are more in line with what people have come to expect from, say, the ST:O C-store (~$3 for an outfit, ~$10 for a whole bundle) or Aion ($10 for a skin change), or any of the FPS customization stores ($0.5–$6).

Instead, you've gone for an puny-income strategy that rather seems to be dictated by the in-game value of your IG-to-OOG value transfer veichle (PLEX). You seemingly want to make stuff insanely priced in-game (a billion ISK for a full outfit), which isn't all that unreasonable, but you're constrained by this transfer vehicle that immediately sets an out-of-game cost that is beyond ridiculous when compared to what customization options costs in other games, and which at at the same time has an important role to play as a subscription mechanism. Double-loading it with two completely different functions this way has created an impasse for what you can and cannot do with the prices and with the goods that are generated.

Had the NeX been fully functioning at release, and capable of accepting other forms of payment than just AUR, you could have worked around this to some extent — make it cost $2.50 for a shirt (500 AUR), but also make it require the sacrifice of pure ISK, to the tune of, say, 300M ISK. In terms of pure $$ price, it would have been much more in line with what people expect, but it would still have set you back ~1 PLEX (350M ISK, of which 50M comes from the AUR price and 300M from the ISK price).

Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:50:00 - [89]
 

Love how much info we are getting, love the fact that new stuff is inbound, love my free clothing.

There is seriously nothing here worth complaining about. Starter outfits will be the new "elite" in two more years.

Great job Zinfandel, don't let the naysayers get you down.

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:50:00 - [90]
 

Edited by: Jada Maroo on 08/07/2011 11:55:26
Originally by: Zagdul


Hi.

I think the point you missed and a LOT of people have missed is that if they had released the lower tier first on the Incarna release, a metric fu%Kton of PLEX's would have been cashed in for AUR and the market would have literally crashed.



Oh no, I've thought about that and I agree with you. But that's not an excuse to make the items $50-60.

That just proves AUR shouldn't come from breaking up PLEX. AUR should just be purchased with money, pure and simple. Or even take out the AUR entirely and just give me a price list. Then make everything 99 cents to a maximum of 4.99.

They would have had me there, and I would have bought stuff from the NEX store. Lord knows I buy cheap **** on impulse all the time in the Apple store. Maybe I should thank CCP for preventing me from doing that in Eve. Very Happy


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