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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.07.12 21:20:00 - [481]
 

Edited by: Bloodpetal on 12/07/2011 21:36:53



I see this as a total turn off for new players.

The most simple set of clothes starts at 50M ISK? When players can barely afford and struggle to earn their first battlecruiser and first battleship legitimately? You need an entry level set of clothes for new players to introduce them to the store. Marketing for competitive behavior.

If you've made a new player you'd know that you start with 5,000 ISK. As you start to learn to play the game and understand value you start to see that Battleships are 50M ISK and rising, as you start to look at clothes, you see that the cheapest that any other player is willing to sell for the AUR they used to buy it is 50M ISK, you're going to get a turn-off negative reaction from new players who can't "socially" compete.


You need a low tier clothing that starts around 10M ISK per item at maximum (if not 1-2M) with a full set costing about 50M ISK maximum.


You're generating negative attention from players that want to be able to enjoy the store and not have to pay more than a ridiculous sum of ISK/AUR away from the game altogether. A new players first impressions coming in and seeing hundreds of million ISK clothing is going to be a total turn off. They want to be able to socialize and "show off" without needing to invest large amounts of dollars so that they don't feel ostracized by the system. People want to be socially competitive, but when they see the initial investment to be competitive is too much then they will simply turn away from the game altogether.

The same thing happens with the Fencing sport. Many potential athletes get turned away because they see it as expensive. Meanwhile, everyone picks up a Soccer ball and kicks it around and can be competitive, the same thing with American Football. You can get in, play, some become professionals, some just stay for the weekend friendly game. Fencing has a low entry level participation to the competitive sport.


Clothes should be destructible as well, and you need to slash prices to represent that material is destructible, or come up with some explanation as to how clothes are indestructible, instant-teleporting and totally un-synchronized with the way the rest of the universe operates.



TK420
Caldari
Navy of Xoc
The Remnant Legion
Posted - 2011.07.13 02:37:00 - [482]
 

Do you plan on adding any new clothing to the game that isn't in the NEX store?

Lemming Lass
Minmatar
Lemmings Online
Posted - 2011.07.13 04:47:00 - [483]
 

Originally by: TK420
Do you plan on adding any new clothing to the game that isn't in the NEX store?


In a way, I hope they don't. Pod Pilot Standard Issue. I'll be proud to wear that, and I'll laugh at the douchebags that pay for their duds. You only need to preen on stations if you can't face space.

Elda Amamiya
Posted - 2011.07.13 05:21:00 - [484]
 

Originally by: Bloodpetal
Edited by: Bloodpetal on 12/07/2011 21:36:53
Clothes should be destructible as well, and you need to slash prices to represent that material is destructible, or come up with some explanation as to how clothes are indestructible, instant-teleporting and totally un-synchronized with the way the rest of the universe operates.



Those free default clothing are indestructible so it may be the same logic for NEX items(when u wearing them).
Or may be they get destroyed but the system just issue new ones for you for free just like your Ibis. Laughing

Hun Jakuza
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
Posted - 2011.07.13 09:47:00 - [485]
 

Edited by: Hun Jakuza on 13/07/2011 09:50:42

CCP NeX Golden Bullets

CCP introduction: The Golden Bullets Stuffs in NeX

Geo Wahs
Posted - 2011.07.13 10:58:00 - [486]
 

Ive no interest in this stuff, in fact Im pretty much against it . . .but micro transactions are kinda supposed to be . . . . .you know . . . micro.

Paying a months sub for something is not a "micro transaction", thats a "rip off".

And much as I have seen CSM's work, Im still struggling on the whole believing they are not going to be selling golden bullets some day, unfortunately so do a lot of folks and they seem to be quitting or putting the game on the back burner.

You had best fix a lot in next major patch CCP ( especially Gallente ) to make up for pedaling all this crap.


stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.13 16:41:00 - [487]
 

Edited by: stoicfaux on 13/07/2011 16:43:34
Apologies in advance, but I'm not going to read through the 17 pages before I post.

If anyone hasn't already mentioned it[1], but:
* the prices are too high (as in you're nucking futs high,)

* the items are vanity items that no one else can see[2] (aside from facewear,)

* none of it is spaceship related. I'm going to go out on a limb[3] and state that most of your customers play Eve for the spaceships.

* the dev blog doesn't actually tell us when the MT store will have anything spaceship related

* the dev blog doesn't mention when we will be able to interact with other avatars

* the dev blog doesn't tell us when you all plan on taking your meds again[4].


[1] Yes, that was sarcasm.
[2] /facepalm
[3] More sarcasm.
[4] Sorry, that was uncalled for.


P.S. I actually feel insulted after reading that dev blog. That's a first.


Lederstrumpf
Posted - 2011.07.13 22:26:00 - [488]
 

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
I've seen some amazing sketches from our fashion designer


You're Senior Director Sales & Marketing right?

Your monocle for sure adds to your credibility.

Ha, ha, ha!

Mibad
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.13 23:31:00 - [489]
 

Edited by: Mibad on 13/07/2011 23:45:44
Your sales and profit will dramatically increase if you sell everything for $2.50- $5, maybe even $10 or $15 for the "rare goods".

"A micropayment is a financial transaction involving a very small sum of money and usually one that occurs online. PayPal defines a micropayment as a transaction of less than 12 USD"

All your prices just put a bad taste in my mouth especially when you throw around the word MICRO-transaction. I'm all for NeX vanity items since it helps CCP which in turn helps EVE. But we already pay a subscription and you want to charge out the nose for barbie stuff, I feel like i'm being gouged for my money. Games like team fortress and league of legends are hugely successful with their MT, 95% of items are $5 and less and they are F2P games...

Rayna Ravenoff
Posted - 2011.07.13 23:55:00 - [490]
 

Okay, seriously, you guys are going about this all wrong. The majority of people are not going to pay to dress up. Yeah, you'll get a few Ken/Barbie types to sign up.

The real money is in Pay-2-Win.

Now, you can't do that with the spaceship folks because, well, you already saw what happens.

But it's all fair game in the Incarna world. Get the Incarna missions going and mix in your Aurum sink along with crafting for guns and armor and vehicles. Don't get too greedy and share the wealth with the players and you'll be fine.

Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.07.14 14:11:00 - [491]
 

CCP: Lets be transparently clear - your MT prices are morally and ethically wrong.

C.

Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.07.15 16:20:00 - [492]
 

Soz, I go to log into EVE a few moments ago. First thing that I see is the new "Dress to Impress" advert. Not interested.

Then I see that the EVE service is down due to database issues -- again.

Please stop investing capital (be it borrowed or subscription fee originated) into **** clothing and re-allocate funding towards game platform stability and the player-generated and science fiction aspects of the game.

Additionally, continued examples of CCP employees spending relatively large amounts of RL currency on designer jeans and rare WoW mounts do nothing for moving the game and public relations positively forward.

It is little wonder that Hilmar tweeted for recommendations on a CMO (I hope that's Marketing). Current CCP employees haven't a ****ing clue.

Tigresze
Posted - 2011.07.15 16:30:00 - [493]
 

Edited by: Tigresze on 15/07/2011 20:19:27
Edited by: Tigresze on 15/07/2011 16:33:11
NeX = NX from Nexon

They are the freaking outside consultants. Bugger off Nexon!!! I had enough of this.

PS: There is nothing noble comming from a capsuleer!

Jon Engel
Intaki Security and Intelligence
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.07.15 22:28:00 - [494]
 

I want a T-shirt with an American Bald Eagle, a pair of sweatpants with a hole in the crotch and a pair of grey sneakers with velcro.

Put that in the Nex Shop.

Morgaaan
Gallente
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2011.07.15 22:32:00 - [495]
 

Just watched this>>>>

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/3689-Microtransactions

may CCP should also.

Lemming Lass
Minmatar
Lemmings Online
Posted - 2011.07.16 03:45:00 - [496]
 

Now I see the "Dress to Impress" NeX store ad on the login screen. Really? Some toon's butt in a long skirt is meant to impress? We will be able to lay on our belly with our legs up in the stations some day? My impression is that anybody that pays so much for a skirt is a total, self-esteem-lacking moron.

And enough with the whining about people who are upset about this crap. Maybe some people are way over the top, but I take no joy in this. I have years and (up until recently) 4 accounts invested in EVE. To see CCP sh*t all over its player base like it is doing is very sad to me. I was looking forward to a day a year or two from now when I would have lots more free time, some RL friends that I could buy accounts for so they could join the fun at my expense, and play in a great sandbox environment, including Incarna. But this complete neglect of the feedback of the core spaceship oriented gamer base and an over-emphasis on this pay-to-dressup nonsense has made me completely lose faith in CCP's vision of EVE as a game to play long-term. And that's no small accomplishment given that I've been understanding and defensive of CCP during all the bumpy-ride expansions that have rolled out over the years.

So don't tell people like me to stop "whining". We are giving accurate and important feedback to a company desperately in need of listening to its customers. The more shrill we sound is a reflection of how much we care, but also are ignored. And if we are ignored, we will be gone. And I guess everyone left can hope that the NeX store will at least offer some decent lingerie at some point. Then you can maybe get one hot screenshot of your space Barbie (or kinky space Ken) before EVE becomes a memory.

Pytria Le'Danness
Posted - 2011.07.16 06:46:00 - [497]
 

Edited by: Pytria Le''Danness on 16/07/2011 06:53:55
"Dress to impress" said the advert for the 'Needlessly Expensive' store today.

Impress whom, with what?

Pay 7000 Owrum for an outfit that only I can see? That's $30 I could spend better wining and dining a REAL female in the real world (well, ok, I should probably invest a little more than that).

Whoever set these prices should have their head examined.

Mind you, it's not that I don't have the ISK - I could buy a few dozen outfits with ISK even if did not want to put RL cash into it.

The thing is, at these prices I feel ripped off. I feel as if CCP is saying behind my back "That guy is so stupid, he'd rather buy a skirt than play for a month longer". Guess what, I don't like being though off as stupid.

Besides, to my eyes the stuff you made is boring and crappy. Why would I spend the equivalent of two months of playtime on it?

JcJet
Caldari
Pretenders Inc
W-Space
Posted - 2011.07.16 10:49:00 - [498]
 

Edited by: JcJet on 16/07/2011 10:52:05
Well, those items are too expensive for noobs. That's true...

But anyway, it's cool, keep up a the good work :)
I think i'll wait 6+ months before i'll buy something, because there will be more things to choose from, and more space for a walking... Rolling Eyes

Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness
That's $30 I could spend better wining and dining a REAL female in the real world (well, ok, I should probably invest a little more than that).

Laughing That's cost nothing for me... Most of the times Rolling Eyes

Chi Quan
Bibkor Enterprises
Posted - 2011.07.17 23:56:00 - [499]
 

unless the avatars have the possibility to interact with other, no one is going to care (except for a VERY limited number).

Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.07.18 15:35:00 - [500]
 

Originally by: Chi Quan
unless the avatars have the possibility to interact with other, no one is going to care (except for a VERY limited number).
Does CCP even have a published (or internal) time-frame for in-station, character-to-character interaction?

CCP's track record points towards placing Incarna into the waste bin of dropped projects (re-vamped ship models, W-space, fleet warfare, etc, etc.).

Elina Tan
Posted - 2011.07.18 17:56:00 - [501]
 

Originally by: Lemming Lass
Now I see the "Dress to Impress" NeX store ad on the login screen. Really? Some toon's butt in a long skirt is meant to impress? We will be able to lay on our belly with our legs up in the stations some day? My impression is that anybody that pays so much for a skirt is a total, self-esteem-lacking moron.

I actually tried out the fancy skirts yesterday, on sisi; and they don't even go well with any of the tops, really. Some of it isn't even looking half bad:

Dressed to impress?

I'm not sure I'd pay monocle prices for these getups, though (the black outfit is supposed to be either Tier 2 or Tier 3, and will be very expensive).

Anyway, like with the skirt having no viable top to go with, your incarnated toon itself has no one to 'dress to impress' for yet. I could see myself do business, for instance, in station, in a nice, fancy, 'executive look' kinda ensemble, but there's no one to meet yet.

In many ways Incarna was simply launched prematurely. No one to impress yet but yourself; and lying on your belly with your legs up? I haven't nearly seen that kind of flexibility yet -- or signs that we'll get such: as it stands (pun intended), we can't even go sit on our bed.

Tadari
Posted - 2011.07.19 08:46:00 - [502]
 

Edited by: Tadari on 19/07/2011 08:51:48
Edited by: Tadari on 19/07/2011 08:51:34
Edited by: Tadari on 19/07/2011 08:50:26
Hi guys.. Eve isn't about spaceships anymore.. its about gay clothes.. O M G!!!
Dear dev.. please give me the option to go naked around a station - and I promise, I wont wear clothes anymore.. Laughing

No seriously.. Incarna and especialy those PLEX4GAYSTUFF things just don't make any sense to me yet.
And why doesnt it make sense?
- I cant build it.
- I cant blow it up.
- I cant fly it.
- I cant mine it.
- I cant scramble it.
- I cant do damage with it.
- I cant show it.
tbc...

Those clothes dont contribute to the fun, you have with a game. Those are just looking good - but no game will ever be a real good game if its only looking good Confused

So please - I really beg you CCP - get rid of this crap! We dont need it.. and most of us dont want it. And we really dont understand why youre wasting youre time, implementing this rubish.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.19 09:29:00 - [503]
 

Originally by: Tadari
Incarna and especialy those PLEX4GAYSTUFF things just don't make any sense to me yet.

And why doesnt it make sense?

- I cant build it.
- I cant blow it up.
- I cant fly it.
- I cant mine it.
- I cant scramble it.
- I cant do damage with it.
- I cant show it.



Shortsighted much? To paraphrase an old saying, If you only have a hammer, you're only looking for a nail.

Elda Amamiya
Posted - 2011.07.19 09:35:00 - [504]
 

Edited by: Elda Amamiya on 19/07/2011 09:35:23
Originally by: Tadari
Edited by: Tadari on 19/07/2011 08:51:48
Edited by: Tadari on 19/07/2011 08:51:34
Edited by: Tadari on 19/07/2011 08:50:26
Hi guys.. Eve isn't about spaceships anymore.. its about gay clothes.. O M G!!!
Dear dev.. please give me the option to go naked around a station - and I promise, I wont wear clothes anymore.. Laughing

No seriously.. Incarna and especialy those PLEX4GAYSTUFF things just don't make any sense to me yet.
And why doesnt it make sense?
- I cant build it.
- I cant blow it up.
- I cant fly it.
- I cant mine it.
- I cant scramble it.
- I cant do damage with it.
- I cant show it.
tbc...

Those clothes dont contribute to the fun, you have with a game. Those are just looking good - but no game will ever be a real good game if its only looking good Confused

So please - I really beg you CCP - get rid of this crap! We dont need it.. and most of us dont want it. And we really dont understand why youre wasting youre time, implementing this rubish.


For me, Looking good is better than PvP :P
I dont care if CCP remove PvP form EVE(which will not happen anyway) but I do appreciate they add these stuff to the game(even though they are way too expensive)

Rainer Unsinn
Posted - 2011.07.19 20:46:00 - [505]
 

Since the new "V" series begun to air in Germany I finally know what the artist who designed the clothes was watching. And it's not really looking overly futuristic in that show either.

However it's looking far better on Morena Baccarin than in game. No way is it worth the asking price unless you deliver that actress with it. Will you?

DoctorMolotov
Posted - 2011.07.20 16:29:00 - [506]
 

Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness
"Dress to impress" said the advert for the 'Needlessly Expensive' store today.


Love the name for Nex. Needlessly Expensive. HA!

Right now there is a picture of a non contributing zero with a monocle stating: FOCUS on your reputation and appearance. Looking glass ocular implant.

I fail to see how this implant is supposed to help you in any way, shape, or form. The only thing it does say about a person is A) they work for CCP and got it for free *glares at some devs*, or B) "look at me, I am a complete and total toolshed that bought into CCPs crap and actually spent money/game time on this ridiculous item even though it does NOTHING to improve the game".

*sigh*

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.21 09:58:00 - [507]
 

CCP needs to fire a few people. Seriously.

Their marketing folks have developed some sort of tunnel vision: the "$1,000 pants syndrome," as I like to call it. It's a highly narrowed vision, based on the single observation that "others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread," in the words of CCP Zulu. And it works. There's already a whole toolshed who bought into the monocle, status-enhancing hype. It's still marketing tunnel vision, of course, as there's always only a very small segment of the buyer population who goes for this stuff. Base a store solely on these type of customers, ignoring more common sense business models, and you have a sure recipe for failure. One of these common sense business models, for instance, is that it's better to sell 10,000x $8 dollar items than 100x $ 80 dollar monocles.

Also, the prices in the NeX store are not harmless. Zulu said we don't have to buy any clothes. True; but if you focus your ingame store on just a few percent (if at that) of your player base, then you will eventually start to p*ss off your clientele. Not because they're jealous, mind you, but simply because you're basically spitting in the face of the vast majority of your other customers, who will increasingly start to feel you're completely ignoring them. Any 'sane' MMO business model caters to its largest common denominator. That's not to say there's not also room for expensive monocles; but essentially, yes, you need to offer stuff that will be within reach of most of your players.

And now a note on fashion. As it stands, there's WAY TOO FEW clothes in the NeX store. Even if I wanted to buy the outrageously expensive Executive Tier 3 dress (not yet in the NeX store), a dress is not a monocle: 'women' (even when role-played) don't want to walk around in 'the' dress, however fancy it is, when others are wearing the one dress too. Clothes are really not like monocles this way; trust me on that. For me, and my alts, it means I prefer walking around in the regular outfits, simple because they allow for rather varied permutations, making my look (relatively) unique. So, if CCP wants to sell an expensive wardrobe, they really need to pull some designers off Dust, and offer a much, much wider range of virtual, fancy clothing.

Lolmer
Amarr
Merciless Reckoning
Executive Solution
Posted - 2011.07.24 10:44:00 - [508]
 

Heya CCP, here's some nice, free advice at the escapist - Extra Credits: Microtransactions. And if you're really serious about joining in on microtransactions, the guy may be hired as a consultant.

Davon Kastire
Caldari
Hit it n' Quit it
Posted - 2011.07.25 04:56:00 - [509]
 

Edited by: Davon Kastire on 25/07/2011 04:57:15
The clothing wasn't the real problem, I thought that was made clear. It's the pricing. I'm not going to buy a plex and use it to buy clothes, I'm going to trade it in for additional game time. The scales are not at balance here. Plexes do not need a second function. There needs to be a better way to obtain Aurum.

Since Loyalty Points seem to grow on trees now, my idea is to trade in LPs and some additional isk in for AURUM Checks and in order to convert those checks INTO AURUM, you have to pay a real money fee. These Checks would cost less LPs and no additional isk in the CONCORD LP store. I'd feel more comfortable spending money on AURUM knowing that I did something other than just flip my wallet open to obtain it.

I'd say more to make my idea more clear but the TL;DR gods would smite me. (I hope I'm not out of line posting an idea in this thread)

Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
Posted - 2011.07.25 18:59:00 - [510]
 

If you're going to charge ridiculous amounts for this crap, at least when a POD gets popped their clothes should get destroyed or left in the pod wreckage for somebody to take from your cold dead corpse.

You want to use daddies credit card for a $70 monocle, you have to live with the fear that you're going to lose it in a laser fight to the death.


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