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Roh Voleto
Posted - 2011.07.09 13:47:00 - [391]
 

Edited by: Roh Voleto on 09/07/2011 13:49:51
Originally by: Raid'En
so a bit of rage now, but not much.




I am sure the initial shock about the NeX prices contributed to the rage, but I believe this devblog would have been stupid enough to get the rage machine going at full tilt again, if even the tiniest portion of the player base actually cared about cosmetic items.

Edit: Replaced "the Aurum shop" with "cosmetic items".

Cerious Gote
Posted - 2011.07.09 14:07:00 - [392]
 

Still too expensive. The cheapest outfit costs more than a fitted t2 ship.

I know that it won't feed the micro-transactions as well but the pricing should be such that the affordable end is under 100m ISK equivalent, the mid-tier is under 1b ISK equivalent, and the high end above that.


Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.09 14:38:00 - [393]
 

Originally by: J Kunjeh
One thing I'd like to see in the NeX store is a "try before you buy" feature that allows us to see what we look like in certain rags before actually purchasing them. A virtual dressing room? What say ye CCP?


Sisi is your friend... until CCP spoils it.

Alex Roggen
Posted - 2011.07.09 14:54:00 - [394]
 

Edited by: Alex Roggen on 09/07/2011 14:59:03
I thing CCP is missing the whole concept of Micro Transactions and is trying to create MACRO TRANSACTIONS. $15 for a low tier virtual outfit is going to fail. I think you will be hard pressed to make elite items worth $15.00 or a month of game time.

I will never buy an outfit that is cosmetic only for more than a T1 Frig!!!!!

I see CCP trying to attract new players to this game with walking in stations, bring a whole new market segment of players, and do so with new forms of in game social interactions, possibly new professions inside Eve. CCP, you are going to fail if you think for one second that they will pay hundreds of real world dollars just to have a outfit. That market segment loves to dress up thier virtual avatars and you will do nothing more that push that whole market segment away once more.

The point of Micro Tranactions is to make the items cheap enough that impulse buying occurs and you make your profits over the vast quantity of purchases. Again, I think CCP is trying to make MACRO TRANSACTIONS not Micro Tranactions. It almost seems that someone at CCP made some promises to some boss on the merit of Quick Return on Investement that may not have been very realistic.

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.09 15:01:00 - [395]
 

Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Originally by: J Kunjeh
One thing I'd like to see in the NeX store is a "try before you buy" feature that allows us to see what we look like in certain rags before actually purchasing them. A virtual dressing room? What say ye CCP?


Sisi is your friend... until CCP spoils it.


Hmm...yeah, I suppose, but it would be much better just to have something like that in the game proper.

buck herrick
101st Space Marine Force
Posted - 2011.07.09 15:04:00 - [396]
 

absoultely amazing.

not one thing learned and now rushed additions to the damn NEX.

seriously, what a waste of dev time and ccp money. fix the game that used to be good - you know, the spaceship one we used to have. make that work the way it should.

oh - and perhaps listen to your customers, ultimately, as customers they are always right. customer proven otherwise are now someone elses customer and no longer yours.

to quote your poster/video child (the one that looks like the bearded lady of old) this is a "DEBACLE".


Alex Roggen
Posted - 2011.07.09 15:06:00 - [397]
 

It's cheaper for me to buy a shirt in the EVE ONLINE STORE than it is in game!!!

Lauren Ambraelle
Posted - 2011.07.09 15:36:00 - [398]
 

It's really sad to hear that the 'low' tier will still cost about 4 times more than other games. I think CCP is really missing the mark on what Micro Transactions are all about.

ProContractor
Caldari
Viagra Lovers
Posted - 2011.07.09 15:42:00 - [399]
 

i still like CCP Shadows reply here http://t.co/43zFO9T

" Edited by: CCP Shadow on 24/06/2010 17:30:40
Just for clarification, the skillpoints CCP will be giving pilots to make up for the extended downtime in this case is not tied to microtransactions.

Editing to add this: We do not have plans to go microtransaction with EVE. "

Smoking Blunts
Posted - 2011.07.09 15:50:00 - [400]
 

lmfao. barbie dress up in space..

eve has gone down hill with this addition and ccp you have just confirmed what everyone has been suspecting, your just trying to milk every last cent of the addicts you have left.

****ing barbie in space. way to go




Khamelean
Posted - 2011.07.09 17:32:00 - [401]
 

Edited by: Khamelean on 09/07/2011 17:32:37
Originally by: Smoking Blunts
lmfao. barbie dress up in space..

eve has gone down hill with this addition and ccp you have just confirmed what everyone has been suspecting, your just trying to milk every last cent of the addicts you have left.

****ing barbie in space. way to go




If CCP was trying to maximise cash from the NEX store they would have made it cheap as chips. You make more money from lots cheap things than you do from a few expensive things. CCP has chosen this model to add something unique to eve's gameplay, you may not see any benefit in the items on the nex store, but that doesn't mean that others don't.

If the items added to the store were much cheaper than they are now, it would cause havoc in the plex market and likely destabilise most the economy.

Hence:
Quote:
We are just dipping our toes into the water here, seeing how this all works while being careful not to mess up the economy. So far, we've been successful at protecting the EVE economy. PLEX prices on the ISK market are currently unaffected.



Lemming Lass
Minmatar
Lemmings Online
Posted - 2011.07.09 17:55:00 - [402]
 

Originally by: Miraqu
Will there be a quick way just to change clothes/accessories or do we always have to recustomize?

e.g. :

You undock for PvP, so just put on sth suitable to killing others and leave the nice ones at home.

Preferably 2 clicks in the character menu.


Like a few customized presets for attire: Lounge, Casual, Business, Battle, Party, etc. Once configured just click which one you want.

That makes a lot of sense. So it will never happen. And it's still virtual dressup for $, so I will never care.

Dalilus
Posted - 2011.07.09 18:05:00 - [403]
 

I never thought I'd say it but EVE is being dumbed down to the pre-tween level of - my clothes are prettier than yours! Will muggers be able to steal clothes, shoes, eyeglasses, etc after knocking the victim out? Will EVE in station combat look something like Mortal Kombat or Dust?

If CCP is looking for an isk sink why not turn lowsec into carebear space where carebears, who are the majority of players, will most definetly spend billions of isk fitting out super pimped up capitals to run lvl 5s? Piwates could always gank the unlucky carebear if they chose to and CONCORD response could be delayed even more to compensate for a capitals uber tank.

Clothes? Evil or Very Mad Lowsec mission running? Very Happy

Written Word
Written Word's Tax Haven
Posted - 2011.07.09 18:26:00 - [404]
 

Originally by: Tarinara
Originally by: Written Word
Edited by: Written Word on 09/07/2011 04:59:19
Seriously

F*ck you guys. F*ck you for making them indestructible. F*ck anybody who made it possible for them to be indestructible.

Being indestructibility doesn't belong in EVE. Remember risk/reward, don't undock what you can't afford to lose?

It might have something to do with the risk/reward of CCP having customers who spend real world money charging that purchase back on their credit card. Too many charge backs and CCP runs the risk of loosing their merchant account.

Almost any MMO which has a cash shop that sells items ( with the exception of consumables such as ammo, etc. ) does so in a manner were the items aren't destroyed by other players or are lootable/stealable. No matter how many layers of dollars to PLEX to Aurum CCP goes through - there still may be real world consequences to a merchant when customers money somehow goes *poof* in a video or computer game.

I've never read anything definitive on the subject, but my guess would be a credit card company siding with the consumer on the issue. Especially with the hundreds of dollars CCP is expecting us to pay for their 'designer japanese jeans'...


You can't do charge backs, that would be credit card fraud on the consumer's end if they caught you doing that. No credit card company is going to side with a consumer would made a legitimate purchase, and who lost all legal rights to the money the second they made it a PLEX. You threw it in the hole, its gone.

If I bought 2 PLEX, sold them for ISK, bought +5 implants and got podded, they'd be gone. Nobody has an issue with this, it should be the same for clothing.

Isn't this a Cold Harsh Universe? It could be 100K Aurum for thongs, I don't care, but indestructible stuff has no place in a game like EVE.

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.09 18:42:00 - [405]
 

Edited by: Selinate on 09/07/2011 18:44:15
confirming that i was excited about this nex store until I found out that one of the cheapest outfits cost 1 plex, total.

Really? ~100 mil isk per item? And this is just for the cheapest items???

There's not a chance in hell that I'd participate in this.

edith prickley
Posted - 2011.07.09 19:06:00 - [406]
 

Edited by: edith prickley on 09/07/2011 19:10:49
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
I've got one pair of "cute high heels" coming in the next month.



And I've never been more proud of this hardcore space game that I used to play.

We've come a long way, girls.

Kaylith Sen
Posted - 2011.07.09 19:13:00 - [407]
 

You are trying to make lots of real life ISK right? If so your not doing it right. 1 PLEX for a cheap outfit is not cheap! It's easier to sell a million things for a £1 than 1 thing for a million!

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.07.09 19:30:00 - [408]
 

Originally by: Kaylith Sen
You are trying to make lots of real life ISK right?
No, they're not. That's what keeps people from understanding the strategy and the decision-making behind these obviously unprofitable prices:
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
We aren't making a lot of money but that's not the point.

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.09 19:40:00 - [409]
 

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel

We are using a combination of in-house designers, outside art production, and in house art direction to make these pieces. And yes, we are hoping they can eventually pay for themselves and contribute to the EVE development budget.


This will NEVER happen unless you lower the prices on all the items by a LARGE amount.

Megalift
Omni Tech Engineering
Needless Friends
Posted - 2011.07.09 19:45:00 - [410]
 

I want a battleaxe!

I'thari
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.09 20:15:00 - [411]
 

Edited by: I''thari on 09/07/2011 20:16:06
Originally by: Dalilus
If CCP is looking for an isk sink why not turn lowsec into carebear space where carebears, who are the majority of players, will most definetly spend billions of isk fitting out super pimped up capitals to run lvl 5s? Piwates could always gank the unlucky carebear if they chose to and CONCORD response could be delayed even more to compensate for a capitals uber tank.
FYI: isk sink is something that removes isk from system... completely. If anything, killing stuff actually creates isk (from bounties), plus, as result of stuff destruction, increases isk/stuff ratio in eceonomy, thus making things even worse (from "we need more isk sinks" perspective).

Originally by: Megalift
I want a battleaxe!
Me too, if I'll be able to kill people /dancing in station with it...

Steph Wing
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.07.09 20:46:00 - [412]
 

Zin, you's trollin' us? That's seriously your pricing strategy?

Oh well. Best of luck to you, CCP. You can shoot yourself in the foot however you like so long as it doesn't affect my spaceship game.

Koos Kombuis
Posted - 2011.07.09 21:07:00 - [413]
 

I'm glad we don't HAVE to buy these items, because I sure as hell won't spend 3-4 month's worth of gametime on a destructable 'medium' tier outfit.

How can a piece of clothing cost more than a handful of battleships, how does that even make sense?

The role-playing part of EVE just died.

Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Posted - 2011.07.09 21:33:00 - [414]
 

EVEningwear Online. vOv

Adrian Dixon
Posted - 2011.07.09 22:56:00 - [415]
 

People are paying a montlhy subscription for a game that is full of serious bugs. The game is broken and all your doing is working on ways to charge us twice for the pleasure.

The NeX/Aurum/Microtransaction project should be put in a freighter and flown into a black hole never to be seen again, I am serious this entire microtransactions project is an utterly ridiculous greed fueled sack of nonsesense. The Devs should be concentrating on bugs and gameplay, there should be one currency ISK and there should never be microtransactions in EVE since it is a subscription based game. I am sick of greed in every part of life!!

...And when will docking be fixed to make it "space -> hanger -> captains quarters"? Without this immersion and basic logic is ruinned just so you guys can make your NeX sales pitch! thanks!

Aronis Contar
Caldari
Independent Manufacturers
Posted - 2011.07.10 00:25:00 - [416]
 

Oh boy...

Well first of all, thank you for making your pricing strategy clear, at least it should remove any uncertainties from the player side.

Second of all... HAHAHAHAHA Very Happy

Quote:
Important note here. This is about learning. We need to learn about this stuff. We are just dipping our toes into the water here, seeing how this all works while being careful not to mess up the economy.


I can't get rid of the feeling that some of your designers obediently ate up all the bull**** that is being dished out at GDC, gamescom and similar conferences.

Personally, I don't care about the NEX store at all, and about the real world money prices that are attached to the items. What irks me most, is that by making PLEX (and therefore, indirectly, Aurum) buyable with ISK, you also attached an ISK value to each NEX item - and I hate the economic realism breakdown thats introduced by having shoes in the game that cost about as much as three battleships.

This ISK to Aurum exchange rate is btw. one of the reasons the NEX store is going to perform significantly worse than it could - but I'm sure you'll be able to figure this out yourself after all the learning you're going to do Laughing

Ciao, Aronis!

Seth Evens
Posted - 2011.07.10 00:38:00 - [417]
 

Edited by: Seth Evens on 10/07/2011 00:41:14
I wonder where the CCP people in this thread went? I still dont know what I am more outraged about, CPP posting another blog which raises more questions than it answers, the pricing "strategy" involved, or the lack of any response to any but the trivial questions.

XIRUSPHERE
Gallente
Deadly Intent.
Posted - 2011.07.10 01:57:00 - [418]
 

Here is an informative link posted before about Icelandic economics and the attitudes abound and the sheer collapse. It's a long but informative read. Some of these spaced out men own the biggest chunks of EVE online. It is their voices we see reverberated through this game. Voices of insanity and greed.

Wall Street on the Tundra

Cooper Anderson Stewart
Caldari
Casalt Corp
Posted - 2011.07.10 02:56:00 - [419]
 

Pricing. You are doing it wrong™…

Pure Tabasco
Posted - 2011.07.10 03:23:00 - [420]
 

I'm starting to think that Incarna its going to be specially made for the Japanese.

1000$ Japanese pants, fully localization, prices for things only a japanese hardcore will buy... OH ****, this expansion its for JAPAN!


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