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E man Industries
Posted - 2011.07.08 19:52:00 - [301]
 

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
It takes a lot more work to be able to make a system where the players can make the goods. We will do it. We want that very much. But it's going to take time. All of these goods are going to be a lot more fun if they are being made by players.


I hope this happens. same for CQ decor and furnature...also want by dang striper pole w/ stripper for the corp lounge.

Ra Vhim
Black Bag Ops
Posted - 2011.07.08 19:56:00 - [302]
 

Originally by: Ruffio Sepico

It would have been sad if EVE hadn't changed/evolved since it launched.



I agree. It would be even better if most developers actually helped Eve to evolve instead of putting Eve on life support while overextending and fearlessly developing 2 other games.

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As for many players posting on the forums claiming to unsub and such, fine for them, its their way to disagree. It's not what you say, but what you do right? But at same time I see a lot of new players in EVE these days as well. CCP will notice with subs going either way. Having people post on the forums saying they unsubing doesn't mean much before the actual numbers show it.



Yes. People should unsub and stay away until Eve gets back on track (from their perspective), but as you said, people are emotionally attached. Some will leave, other will stay but become (even more) bitter. I believe that what people say are very important. Most players here are playing Eve because someone sold to them how awesome Eve and CCP is. It is a different message going out ATM which isn't especially good.

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.07.08 19:57:00 - [303]
 

Edited by: Vandrion on 08/07/2011 20:01:29
Edited by: Vandrion on 08/07/2011 20:00:41
Originally by: E man Industries
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
It takes a lot more work to be able to make a system where the players can make the goods. We will do it. We want that very much. But it's going to take time. All of these goods are going to be a lot more fun if they are being made by players.


I hope this happens. same for CQ decor and furnature...also want by dang striper pole w/ stripper for the corp lounge.


No, you don't want this to happen... This will open the door for CCP to introduce all the new ship and module bpos/bpcs for sale in the NeX only.....

Remember that CCP is "learning" with this crap. They are "learning" what they can get away with and what the players will find acceptable. They will then push those limits and spin themselves out of a hole by saying---"Well you liked it with the $1000 pants. The new T3 frig introduction is no different."

You can't give CCP an inch or they will take 200 miles.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.08 20:05:00 - [304]
 

Edited by: Adunh Slavy on 09/07/2011 12:56:24
edit - nvm, just discovered by "player created" you do not mean player designed.

Valasaria
Posted - 2011.07.08 20:06:00 - [305]
 

I know that MT is here to stay. That is fine. I know that CCP is proud of their virtual clothing. You can tell that by how enormously over priced the items are. The question I have though is directed to CCP Basement Ben and the fashion designers on the team developing these items.

Are any of the clothes actually going to be cool, original, and fashionable?

For example the monocle looks like an eyepiece from a Space Marine and/or Imperial Guardsman in the Warhammer 40,000 universe. Some of the jackets and shirts for the male characters look like they were also taken from the Imperial Guard and/or the uniforms of the original Star Trek movies like Wrath of Khan. The newest female jacket and pant looks like you stole the style from a Star Wars female Jedi. The newest goggles are Chronicle of riddick goggles. Anyway just curious if you ever planning on putting out anything that has sex appeal, not just department store quality goods. Just because you say they are Japanese boutique worthy doesn't mean they are.

P.S. CCP Zinfandel if it isn't about the money, then why are the items destroyable and still in a 30-80 dollar price range. I though after this last fiasco the Devs of CCP where going to try and stop lying and talking to us like we are to stupid to see what this is about. The fact of the matter is more effort is being put forward to a system that will bring extra cash, than toward fixing the **** Incarna broke. I heard you loud and clear it was more important for CCP to introduce the NeX than it was for CCP to finish every race’s CQ. Also heard you loud and clear that EVE and it players are the Beta Test Group for systems and mechanics that will be in CCP's other games. I get it CCP needs to practice and polish the MT mechanic and system before they put it into DUST 514 and World of Darkness.

E man Industries
Posted - 2011.07.08 20:07:00 - [306]
 

Happy as long it remains vanity only...

also more player created stuff.

Kuhn Arashi
Caldari
Wrecking Shots
Posted - 2011.07.08 20:10:00 - [307]
 

As long as every time someone leaves station with something fancy, It shows up on their picture.

That way I know exactly who I'm gonna hold ransom YARRRR!!

All I see is the nest best thing to visible pirate implants.
now I will Know who has something worth paying ransom for not losing


Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.07.08 20:13:00 - [308]
 

Originally by: Kuhn Arashi
As long as every time someone leaves station with something fancy, It shows up on their picture.

That way I know exactly who I'm gonna hold ransom YARRRR!!

All I see is the nest best thing to visible pirate implants.
now I will Know who has something worth paying ransom for not losing




Only way they go poof is if they are transporting them in the ships hold..... The only thing you get is the satisfaction of killing an idiot in $1000 pants.

Kuhn Arashi
Caldari
Wrecking Shots
Posted - 2011.07.08 20:15:00 - [309]
 

Originally by: Vandrion
Originally by: Kuhn Arashi
As long as every time someone leaves station with something fancy, It shows up on their picture.

That way I know exactly who I'm gonna hold ransom YARRRR!!

All I see is the nest best thing to visible pirate implants.
now I will Know who has something worth paying ransom for not losing




Only way they go poof is if they are transporting them in the ships hold..... The only thing you get is the satisfaction of killing an idiot in $1000 pants.


If you get podded everything on you and in your head goes poof.
Even if they dont. just Seeing a billion isk monocle will make it kind of hard to not
know they can't pay a ransom.

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.08 20:15:00 - [310]
 

So now they have officially a "pricing strategy" and it turns to be as insane as it looked, as it doesn't haves a target nor a market. Confused

See, I'm OK to spend a plex to dress one of my girls. But alas, they call that "low end". Yep, of course. Join EVE, the game where you may be able to dress up your toon with a T-shirt after playing for, like, 6 months, and only for the price of a T1 BS. Very encouraging, isn't it?

Also, I can't figure who said that players who own billions will give a damm of Incarna, let alone the NEx.

So what's the target? Where is the market for NEx?

As a last note, I am worried by how they admit that actually there is no reason as to why something is "high" middle" or "low" tier...

AveryFaneActual
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.07.08 20:19:00 - [311]
 

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XIRUSPHERE
Gallente
Deadly Intent.
Posted - 2011.07.08 20:20:00 - [312]
 

Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
So now they have officially a "pricing strategy" and it turns to be as insane as it looked, as it doesn't haves a target nor a market. Confused

See, I'm OK to spend a plex to dress one of my girls. But alas, they call that "low end". Yep, of course. Join EVE, the game where you may be able to dress up your toon with a T-shirt after playing for, like, 6 months, and only for the price of a T1 BS. Very encouraging, isn't it?

Also, I can't figure who said that players who own billions will give a damm of Incarna, let alone the NEx.

So what's the target? Where is the market for NEx?

As a last note, I am worried by how they admit that actually there is no reason as to why something is "high" middle" or "low" tier...


The target market for NeX is the one fabricated by metrics analysis, and by those who will say anything and sink to an abyss without an end to pander, lie, and outright cheat to attempt to take blood from stone.

RAW23
Posted - 2011.07.08 20:21:00 - [313]
 

Edited by: RAW23 on 08/07/2011 20:24:29
Edited by: RAW23 on 08/07/2011 20:22:02
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel

We are using a combination of in-house designers, outside art production, and in house art direction to make these pieces.




Awww, look. He thinks they are real clothes and he is a real fashion mogul. Isn't that sweet?

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And yes, we are hoping they can eventually pay for themselves and contribute to the EVE development budget.

Cool - and until that time we'll carry on paying for the development of this stuff WITH OUR SUBSCRIPTIONS!

Edit - And just in case this hasn't been mentioned yet, I am literally embarassed to be associated with a game in which people will pay these amounts for very poorly made generic crap (the monocle is a truly terrible piece of art that looks like it was attached in Paint). There was always something a bit cool in describing to friends the scale and scope of eve by telling them how much real money a Titan was worth. Telling them how much real money a pair of boots is worth, on the other hand, has quite the opposite effect.

ITTigerClawIK
Amarr
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
Posted - 2011.07.08 20:22:00 - [314]
 

wait, what do you mean these items are "indestructable" i want to take these goods from the wreak of the guy who just left Jita IV-IV after paying stupid sums of ISK or £ for this crap.

Titus Phook
Posted - 2011.07.08 20:27:00 - [315]
 

Edited by: Titus Phook on 08/07/2011 20:34:59
The tier pricing strategy is insane, CCP are trying to attract a new generation of players with the promise of walking in stations and instantly ripping them off for the cost of 1 month game time if they want their avatar to have nice stuff?

If capsuleer clothing is that expensive, I'm happy dressing my characters in the same clothing worn by the mudbound planet dwellers that supposedly exist.

A few $/£/€ is an impulse buy, 15-20 is not. That kind of sum is for spending on game time and real life stuff, especially considering the financial state of most countries after the recent bank failscades. Hell a low tier outfit is nearly half a tank of petrol for me (little car, little fuel tank).

I won't spend those kind of figures on real life clothes let alone a bunch of pixels for use in a game that is primarily about spaceships, and inflicting violence on said spaceships.

Non destructable items is also taking the urine somewhat. If I blow someones pod up they lose their clone and their implants, surely their clothes and their "trollocle" would also be destroyed. Blowing up suggests fire, violent dismemberment and sudden freezing, if the clothes survive that.. I want my pod made from same materials the clothes are made from Rolling Eyes

I'thari
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.08 20:29:00 - [316]
 

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
I've got one pair of "cute high heels" coming in the next month.

The suits and tuxedos and such are being developed as part of our "corporate collection" which is months from now. We are in the "military collection" now. Also coming up is our "cyberpunk collection."

I've seen some amazing sketches from our fashion designer for the cyberpunk collection. I may have to create a female character one of these days.
How about not having "high heels" as something mandatory for a change?


Also, you pricing is still ridiculous... try harder. Look at what other game companies are asking for such stuff and keep in mind that they (for the most part) are NOT asking subscription on top of it. If you going to copy from others, at least think why it is priced so, not show people that you desperately need money instead.

I'thari
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.08 20:38:00 - [317]
 

Originally by: ITTigerClawIK
wait, what do you mean these items are "indestructable" i want to take these goods from the wreak of the guy who just left Jita IV-IV after paying stupid sums of ISK or £ for this crap.
Well, accordng to lore, you don't wear clothes in POD so it makes sense... clothing that costs more than fited capital ship does not ($5 billion japanise designer jeanse anyone?).

Perfect descision (in terms of "immersion", at least) would be to separate incarna currency from isk completely, but it's CCP we talking about....

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2011.07.08 20:42:00 - [318]
 

Originally by: E man Industries
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
It takes a lot more work to be able to make a system where the players can make the goods. We will do it. We want that very much. But it's going to take time. All of these goods are going to be a lot more fun if they are being made by players.


I hope this happens. same for CQ decor and furnature...also want by dang striper pole w/ stripper for the corp lounge.


"I need a loan for some furniture."

Well, here at 1st Local Bank, we believe in helping our customers! Now, is this a homeowners loan for your house on 85 Elm street, Mr. Smith?

"It's for a video game. Set in space. I want to make my space apartment prettier."

. . .

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.08 20:46:00 - [319]
 

Edited by: J Kunjeh on 08/07/2011 20:53:02
I just couldn't resist...I broke down and bought myself some spiffy flight goggles (I now wear my sun-goggles at night). I wanted the new commando pants too, but there just aren't any boots available that look good with them, free or paid (the new boots added today look nice, but they need to be in black not olive/tan). I'll wait on the pants until I can find a nice pair of boots and a killer shirt to go with them (though I do fancy one of the military shirts currently available).

I guess CCP won...signed: Sucker

Sylthi
Minmatar
Coreward Pan-Galactic
Holy Empire of The Unshaven
Posted - 2011.07.08 20:49:00 - [320]
 

WAAAAAY too much money for WAAAAAY too little effort CCP.

You actually have fashion designers working on this crap? They must be the "low end" fashion designers you could get on the cheap, just like your "low end" coders and QA people that let stuff get broken with EVERY patch.

You need to try much, MUCH, harder if you expect me to pay EXTRA for something that has NO effect in game.

Sell it to the Peaco_cks if you like. Maybe they will buy it.

Oh, and btw, since this stuff is EXTRA, as in: On TOP of what you already charge; when are the REST of your paying customers actually going to see some new content?!? Or, are we all just PAYING a base fee now for the PRIVILEGE of accessing your STORE where you will then charge us MORE?!?


Faith Clothos
Posted - 2011.07.08 20:54:00 - [321]
 

Edited by: Faith Clothos on 08/07/2011 20:56:42
Feedback:

Your prices are ridiculous and Zirfindel should be allowed to find new opportunities somewhere else.


Zakurai
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.08 20:55:00 - [322]
 

I'm starting to think this is prime time to freeze my account for a year and let all this bull**** play out. This NeX BS is really killing the core fundamentals of a game I would have recommended to anyone in a heartbeat. The reason CCP was successful, IMO, is that your subscription paid for the content that was realized. I'm guessing all of the clothes available now are the only ones we can access for free (without buying from NeX) I'm going on a wild guess here, but with all this faulty logic everywhere you're going to use the NeX as the metric for what kind of clothes people want, and once everyone doesn't want any, you have validated any excuse to fix this currently broken mechanic of this expansion. I would not be surprised if we have to spend aurum for accessing the next expansion; after all, who gives a **** what we think, right?

Abaidaa
Posted - 2011.07.08 20:58:00 - [323]
 

Edited by: Abaidaa on 08/07/2011 20:59:16
I have to say I like some styles of the Nex, but probaly won't buy any of it, as it has no use (which is good!)

But maybe you could offer a playstation3 in the Nex?! So I could attach it to the big screens in my cq and play Dust514 on it.

Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr
Indicium Technologies
Hephaestus Forge Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.08 20:59:00 - [324]
 

Originally by: Jada Maroo
Edited by: Jada Maroo on 08/07/2011 10:59:44

So basically we've seen the end of free character creator updates, minus the new tattoos when they get them working.

No more new clothes, no more near hairstyles, no more jewelry... unless you pay through the butt for them.

Congratulations, CCP, you managed to make a feature I was enthusiastic about, Incarna, into something I wish would just go away. Zin, you're just clueless about how to make a game enjoyable, you know that?

Seriously, your participation in it has just sucked the fun right out of this whole expansion.


^^This pretty much, I do remember that €€P originally said that clothes would be player made, guess that gets in the way of all that juicy MT $$ though.

Sri Nova
Posted - 2011.07.08 21:05:00 - [325]
 

I'm disappointed that player crafting does not appear to be apart of this new system.

Faith Clothos
Posted - 2011.07.08 21:06:00 - [326]
 

Originally by: Solomunio Kzenig
Originally by: Jada Maroo
Edited by: Jada Maroo on 08/07/2011 10:59:44

So basically we've seen the end of free character creator updates, minus the new tattoos when they get them working.

No more new clothes, no more near hairstyles, no more jewelry... unless you pay through the butt for them.

Congratulations, CCP, you managed to make a feature I was enthusiastic about, Incarna, into something I wish would just go away. Zin, you're just clueless about how to make a game enjoyable, you know that?

Seriously, your participation in it has just sucked the fun right out of this whole expansion.


^^This pretty much, I do remember that €€P originally said that clothes would be player made, guess that gets in the way of all that juicy MT $$ though.


I don't think fun is his objective.

Ruffio Sepico
Minmatar
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
Posted - 2011.07.08 21:09:00 - [327]
 

Originally by: Sri Nova
I'm disappointed that player crafting does not appear to be apart of this new system.


Well if you read back and see one of the dev comments, its hinted towards that is what they would like to see down the line.

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2011.07.08 21:17:00 - [328]
 

Mid-tier outfits will be priced such that an outfit will total approximately 3-4 PLEX, depending on individual elements.


You guys absoloutly FAIL to understand the concept of micro transactions.

Mid tier should NOT be 3-4 plex it should be at most 1

Lower tier should cost maybe HALF a plex while the EXPENSIVE **** should be 3-5.


Sri Nova
Posted - 2011.07.08 21:23:00 - [329]
 

Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
Originally by: Sri Nova
I'm disappointed that player crafting does not appear to be apart of this new system.


Well if you read back and see one of the dev comments, its hinted towards that is what they would like to see down the line.



wow some how scrolled right by that .. thanks for pointing out .

Pytria Le'Danness
Posted - 2011.07.08 21:25:00 - [330]
 

Originally by: Sader Rykane
Mid-tier outfits will be priced such that an outfit will total approximately 3-4 PLEX, depending on individual elements.


You guys absoloutly FAIL to understand the concept of micro transactions.

Mid tier should NOT be 3-4 plex it should be at most 1

Lower tier should cost maybe HALF a plex while the EXPENSIVE **** should be 3-5.



Hell, even half a PLEX is too much. I just bought BioShock off a bargain bin for 5€, why should I pay around €7.5 for some pixels no one but me can see?

Sorry €€P if I don't join the happily dancing crowd that celebrates being ripped off. I would have gladly spent some money on pixels, but these prices - I rather buy myself another Bhaalgorn or Vindi for that.


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