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Cmdr Baxter
The Synenose Accord
Celestial Imperative
Posted - 2011.07.08 20:49:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Cmdr Baxter on 08/07/2011 20:53:33
Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Commander, I'm afraid I must agree with Ms. Farel. Even if the Nation is targeting us specifically for the moment, our relative indestructibility must lead them, inevitably, to target New Eden's human populations as a primary means to victory.

With the humans, we cannot be easily killed. Without the humans, we will not survive. Ergo, we must assume that any attack on us is simply an attempt to reduce our effectiveness in defending human population centers.

I personally believe that in military terms, our center of gravity is CONCORD. Baseliners do not pay us to attack the constellation-wide incursions. They do not furnish us with the special incursion communication channels to coordinate our efforts, and they never provided us with access to the Nation portal. They have never served as points-of-contact to coordinate the myriad of proposals and projects individual pilots and corporations have no doubt submitted to agents like Haeldone Dorgiers, and never appeared on the battlefield as something akin to a small morale booster. Without CONCORD none of the above would have happened, and high-sec would have been overrun long ago.

I do not mean this to say that I fully agree with CONCORD's policies. I recognize and acknowledge the fact that The Synenose Accord no doubt remains under Task Force Ishaeka's surveillance. I resent the fact that Commander Crieston once blamed capsuleers for creating the circumstances which permit the incursions. But we are in the uncomfortable position of being dependent on CONCORD and its existence to facilitate our winning this war.

That being said, I agree that baseliners are critical to the war effort. And let me rephrase what I said earlier, Capt. Farel, for clarification. What I meant to say was that the large-scale abductions that we grew accustomed to over the course of last year ceased six months ago. The threat to baseliners is diminished because they are no longer the primary target of the war's major military operations. But I agree that the threat nonetheless remains.

Saying they are no longer in danger is at best foolish, at worst criminally naive.

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.07.08 20:53:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Cmdr Baxter
... in military terms, our center of gravity is CONCORD.


Given a hasty summit and a few days' notice, CONCORD can be resupplied, restructured, or replaced if the need really comes.

Otherwise, I agree.

Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.07.09 02:52:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Aria Jenneth
With the humans, we cannot be easily killed. Without the humans, we will not survive.


I very much doubt this will be conceded by any of those who insist there is no threat.

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.09 11:38:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Cmdr Baxter
Edited by: Cmdr Baxter on 08/07/2011 20:53:33
Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Commander, I'm afraid I must agree with Ms. Farel. Even if the Nation is targeting us specifically for the moment, our relative indestructibility must lead them, inevitably, to target New Eden's human populations as a primary means to victory.

With the humans, we cannot be easily killed. Without the humans, we will not survive. Ergo, we must assume that any attack on us is simply an attempt to reduce our effectiveness in defending human population centers.

I personally believe that in military terms, our center of gravity is CONCORD. Baseliners do not pay us to attack the constellation-wide incursions. They do not furnish us with the special incursion communication channels to coordinate our efforts, and they never provided us with access to the Nation portal. They have never served as points-of-contact to coordinate the myriad of proposals and projects individual pilots and corporations have no doubt submitted to agents like Haeldone Dorgiers, and never appeared on the battlefield as something akin to a small morale booster. Without CONCORD none of the above would have happened, and high-sec would have been overrun long ago.

I do not mean this to say that I fully agree with CONCORD's policies. I recognize and acknowledge the fact that The Synenose Accord no doubt remains under Task Force Ishaeka's surveillance. I resent the fact that Commander Crieston once blamed capsuleers for creating the circumstances which permit the incursions. But we are in the uncomfortable position of being dependent on CONCORD and its existence to facilitate our winning this war.

That being said, I agree that baseliners are critical to the war effort. And let me rephrase what I said earlier, Capt. Farel, for clarification. What I meant to say was that the large-scale abductions that we grew accustomed to over the course of last year ceased six months ago. The threat to baseliners is diminished because they are no longer the primary target of the war's major military operations. But I agree that the threat nonetheless remains.

Saying they are no longer in danger is at best foolish, at worst criminally naive.


This is why I was answering to other people initially that were stating that the Nation was now unsignificant and not a threat anymore to the baseliners - which could probably be taken as a blatant insult to them if they happen to read this, and I am pretty sure they are plenty to do it - and so I was surprised to read your answer.

On another note, CONCORD are funded by the same baseliners that we are talking about. CONCORD is funded and supported by every empire and takes all of its power from them. As Ms Jenneth said above, I would add with that in mind that either Sansha is totally clueless to fight the tool that cannot really die (capsuleers) instead of killing what feeds him every day (the human society), either he has something else in mind.

Ollie Rundle
The Synenose Accord
Posted - 2011.07.10 01:53:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Gosakumori Noh
Originally by: Aria Jenneth
With the humans, we cannot be easily killed. Without the humans, we will not survive.


I very much doubt this will be conceded by any of those who insist there is no threat.


Conceeded or not, it's as pure a truth as you're likely to find on these channels.

The capsuleer definition of 'immortality' - setting aside the controversies of a persistent infomorph state - very much depends on trusted, non-capsuleer technicians given the responsibility of standing watch over our clones and overseeing the activation of them when required to. Exterminating the technicians, corrupting their ranks, infiltrating and corrupting the data archives they secure or otherwise disturbing the highly controlled environment capsuleers rely on to reanimate themselves is the only way to make sure we stay dead when the pod cracks open.

And it's entirely likely that Sansha understands this.

Grideris
Gallente
Fleet Coordination Command
Fleet Coordination Coalition
Posted - 2011.07.10 15:49:00 - [36]
 

Well I guess this means that I'll be coming back to take the helm at FCORD. Might need a few days to get everything sorted out and back up to working order. I must admit, it feels good to be plugged back in after such an extended break.

Unit XS365BT
The Synenose Accord
Celestial Imperative
Posted - 2011.07.11 00:22:00 - [37]
 

Welcome back Grideris, your return is welcome news in these testing times.

Super General
Gallente
Fleet Coordination Commission
Fleet Coordination Coalition
Posted - 2011.07.12 18:49:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Grideris
Well I guess this means that I'll be coming back to take the helm at FCORD. Might need a few days to get everything sorted out and back up to working order. I must admit, it feels good to be plugged back in after such an extended break.


Ready and waiting for your command sir o/

Already checked the known Sansha public nodes for new data, nothing found as of yet.


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