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Cmdr Baxter
The Synenose Accord
Celestial Imperative
Posted - 2011.07.06 22:41:00 - [1]
 

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[SYNE] Report on Nation Incursion in Hebisa System


Summary: From approximately 1940-2040 UTC, Sansha's Nation conducted unrestricted activities in the Hebisa system. This report is being issued in response to this incident and statements made by the senior Nation field commander, Slave Heavenbound02.

Assessment: It is the SYNE official position that the Nation War of Resurgence has escalated into a new phase, and the capability exists for a short-term "spike" in ship losses in combat situations. Of note, the last time such a spike occurred was in the 72 hours following the beginning of the war on 25.01.113YC. It is our opinion that capsuleer forces should expect a return by Nation to no-warning large-scale, single- or multiple-system incursions, comparable in size to pre-January incursions, over the short-term timeframe. As capsuleers are likely being targeted now, increased casualties should be expected.

  1. Nation has possibly extended upgrades and modifications, previously confined to its second-generation ships, to first-gen vessels. An unconfirmed, single-source report, states that first-gen ships in Hebisa were observed switching targets in response to high damage output. First-gen ships were visually confirmed to be operating in mixed-range weaponry-based tactics, something previously confined to second-gen ships [1], [2].


  2. Multiple sources confirm that Nation deployed a rarely-observed supercarrier in Hebisa, designated a "Nation" class vessel [3]. While the hull configuration was similar to the previously-observed Kundalini Manifest-class supercarriers, this vessel had significantly-strengthened defenses (80% resists) and was operating both Dragonfly and Shadow bombers.


  3. Multiple sources have confirmed that Slave Heavenbound02 stated, prior to deployment of the Nation-class supercarrier, that "[n]egotiations have ended. The Master is no longer accepting New Eden's surrender. We are coming for you, capsuleers."


  4. Of note, and underscoring Slave Heavenbound02's statements, there are no reports of any sorties against planetary citizens in the Hebisa system. Hebisa is home to one temperate planet (P5) which was within range of dropships had they been deployed. The lack of sorties was confirmed by CONCORD Agent Haeldone Dorgiers, who was observed on the field in action alongside anti-Nation forces, for the first time in approximately six months [4].


  5. As was last seen during pre-January incursions, there was no warning of the Hebisa incursion and it lasted for approximately 1 hour. This was the frequent - but not always certain - duration for incursions during the aforemenioned timeframe.

Cmdr Baxter
The Synenose Accord
Celestial Imperative
Posted - 2011.07.06 22:44:00 - [2]
 

---------- ATTACHMENT AS FOLLOWS ----------

[ 2011.07.06 19:50:37 ] Haeldone Dorgiers > Local forces reporting zero dropship launches. Stay frosty, pilots. The baseliners may not be the target this time.
[ 2011.07.06 19:55:02 ] Slave Heavenbound02 > Negotiations have ended. The Master is no longer accepting New Eden's surrender.
[ 2011.07.06 19:55:19 ] Slave Heavenbound02 > We are coming for you, capsuleers.
[ 2011.07.06 20:04:13 ] Slave Heavenbound02 > Shall I bring the fight to you?
[ 2011.07.06 20:06:08 ] Slave Heavenbound02 > Interesting response considering your earlier boasting, don't you think?
[ 2011.07.06 20:11:36 ] Slave Heavenbound02 > Fleet withdrawing. Flagship emerging.
// NATION shows up
[ 2011.07.06 20:26:48 ] Slave Heavenbound02 > Is this all?
[ 2011.07.06 20:32:10 ] Haeldone Dorgiers > Pulling out, pilots. I'm being called back to Yulai. Keep on them.
[ 2011.07.06 20:46:51 ] Slave Heavenbound02 > I see now that this time of trials has greatly improved your tactics, New Eden.
[ 2011.07.06 20:48:17 ] Slave Heavenbound02 > And so we begin again, capsuleers...
[ 2011.07.06 20:49:01 ] Slave Heavenbound02 > Your performance here has been noted.

---------- END ATTACHMENT AND REPORT ----------

Ninavask
Gallente
The Synenose Accord
Posted - 2011.07.07 00:08:00 - [3]
 

This isn't going to be promising...

Xideinis
The Concilium Enterprises
Spectrum Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.07 02:22:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Xideinis on 07/07/2011 02:22:25
Footage of the assault can be seen here.

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.07.07 02:24:00 - [5]
 

This is legit?...

Here we go again.

Medarr
Amarr
Ghost Festival
Naraka.
Posted - 2011.07.07 02:41:00 - [6]
 

escaltion of hostilities iminent. Maybe now we will see wich forces sansha kuvakei really has.

Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.07.07 06:12:00 - [7]
 

Although this does appear significant, there have been indications of "here we go again" before - and they went nowhere.

Smagd
Encina Technologies
Namtz' aar K'in
Posted - 2011.07.07 07:47:00 - [8]
 

So, did anyone explore their wormhole? I was... distracted... by all the light.

Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2011.07.07 12:11:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Medarr
escaltion of hostilities iminent. Maybe now we will see wich forces sansha kuvakei really has.


*which Wink

...agreed, I think we'll start to see "interesting" things from the forces Nation fields from now on.


Mizhara Del'thul
Minmatar
Lutinari Syndicate
Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.07.07 13:14:00 - [10]
 

All this says is that (should Heavenbound's words be true) Nation has completely ceased to be a threat against baseliners, and has thus become utterly insignificant in all ways that matter. Their incursions are laughably easy to both travel through and around, the prime motivation for repelling them has ceased and quite a few of us can now finally start rolling our eyes and just ignore the incursion warnings even in our own space.

Beyond petty vengeance, and maybe exploiting CONCORD's deep pockets, there's no longer reason to go out and hunt them.
Our homes are safe.

Medarr
Amarr
Ghost Festival
Naraka.
Posted - 2011.07.07 13:46:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul
All this says is that (should Heavenbound's words be true) Nation has completely ceased to be a threat against baseliners, and has thus become utterly insignificant in all ways that matter. Their incursions are laughably easy to both travel through and around, the prime motivation for repelling them has ceased and quite a few of us can now finally start rolling our eyes and just ignore the incursion warnings even in our own space.

Beyond petty vengeance, and maybe exploiting CONCORD's deep pockets, there's no longer reason to go out and hunt them.
Our homes are safe.


Quite possible the most flawed reasoning ive ever seen.

Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2011.07.07 14:19:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Syn Callibri on 07/07/2011 14:24:39
Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul
All this says is that (should Heavenbound's words be true) Nation has completely ceased to be a threat against baseliners, and has thus become utterly insignificant in all ways that matter. Their incursions are laughably easy to both travel through and around, the prime motivation for repelling them has ceased and quite a few of us can now finally start rolling our eyes and just ignore the incursion warnings even in our own space.

Beyond petty vengeance, and maybe exploiting CONCORD's deep pockets, there's no longer reason to go out and hunt them.
Our homes are safe.


What you're not catching that this says is...

...the Nation attack force was larger, better outfitted and more coordinated than before and utilized different tactics than we saw in the past. This was no mindless blockade of a system. A pretty clear indicator of what happened to those that were abducted in previous assaults on population centers.


Mizhara Del'thul
Minmatar
Lutinari Syndicate
Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.07.07 14:24:00 - [13]
 

I did see that, but how does that matter? We fight each other on a daily basis and I've both hunted and been hunted across high, low and nullsec space. These Sansha aren't going to be able to compare to determined capsuleer hunters, so I see no reason to be concerned. They're no more important than capsuleer wayfarers, and they can largely be avoided or dealt with in other manners.

As long as they're no threat to the baseliner populations dirtside... they're irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2011.07.07 14:29:00 - [14]
 

...and what exactly do you think they will do if they focus on capsuleers in a particular system and manage to neutralize the local capacity to resist an advance against the baseliner population?






Cmdr Baxter
The Synenose Accord
Celestial Imperative
Posted - 2011.07.07 14:44:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Medarr
Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul
All this says is that (should Heavenbound's words be true) Nation has completely ceased to be a threat against baseliners, and has thus become utterly insignificant in all ways that matter. Their incursions are laughably easy to both travel through and around, the prime motivation for repelling them has ceased and quite a few of us can now finally start rolling our eyes and just ignore the incursion warnings even in our own space.

Beyond petty vengeance, and maybe exploiting CONCORD's deep pockets, there's no longer reason to go out and hunt them.
Our homes are safe.


Quite possible the most flawed reasoning ive ever seen.


I agree with Medarr. Here's why.

  1. Nation ceased to become a threat against baseliners last year. In my opinion this probably happened around December for two reasons. First, we demonstrated an ability to destroy a Nation wormhole (through FCORD’s “Project Hydrogen Bomb”) by using an explosives-packed freighter to abruptly cut short an incursion. Second, Nation was unusually aggressive (two attacks in a single day) in hacking CONCORD files to gain intelligence on the level of our cooperation with Haeldone Dorgiers. In my opinion these two events demonstrate increased recognition of the fact that CONCORD (referred to by Kuvakei as the “king” of New Eden) had levied capsuleers into becoming a proxy Navy.


  2. The incursions may be easy to travel through and around, but some of us within the CAPINT community have suspected that there was more to them than meets the eye. Six months of static incursions with no observable change in TTPs (tactics, training, and procedures) is unlike Nation. If Heavenbound02’s words are taken at face value, for the last six months Nation has been testing our resolve and capability to repel the incursions. Alterations to first-gen warships was unexpected and shows a return to previous Nation TTPs. We should expect further such surprises in the future.


  3. Lastly, vengeance no longer factors into the equation. You seem to fail to realize that Sansha Kuvakei has now locked himself into a situation where he has no choice but to escalate the conflict. For Kuvakei to back down now and allow a return to the status quo is unthinkable. Remember that he seeks to impose unity on chaos. The last time he tried this in YC 37, “chaos” managed to get its act together and beat his empire to shambles, and it took him 75 years to rebuild. He also thinks he has the means to win this time around. Remember that in almost a year of conflict he has yet to deploy the titans or heavy core of the fleet that Mouse Nell’s probe recorded last year.

Unit XS365BT
The Synenose Accord
Celestial Imperative
Posted - 2011.07.07 19:52:00 - [16]
 

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Cmdr Baxter
The Synenose Accord
Celestial Imperative
Posted - 2011.07.08 05:04:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Cmdr Baxter on 08/07/2011 05:09:54
Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul
... These Sansha aren't going to be able to compare to determined capsuleer hunters, so I see no reason to be concerned. They're no more important than capsuleer wayfarers, and they can largely be avoided or dealt with in other manners.

Care to change your tune Capt. Del'thul? I think the engagements yesterday in Hebisa and Zith fairly well demolished your argument, well-intentioned as it was. A hundred of the finest and bravest pilots around couldn't destroy two Kundalini Manifests and a Nation-class supercarrier because they were overrun (repeatedly) by second-generation Nation warships.

If you care for more details, The Synenose Accord's official report is on our website.

Mizhara Del'thul
Minmatar
Lutinari Syndicate
Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.07.08 05:35:00 - [18]
 

Why should I change my tune? It's still just capsuleers that finds it a grand idea to attack superior forces. No baseliners going down unless they signed up with capsuleers in the first place. Secondly, I've watched a few of these engagements, and once I went toe to toe with Heavenbound... and each time, I easily slipped away when the blobs came along.

They're no threat... unless you allow them to be.

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.07.08 06:52:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 08/07/2011 06:53:04
Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul
They're no threat... unless you allow them to be.


Ms. Del'thul ...

Perhaps you can show me what you see that I don't.

As far as I can tell, the only person who said anything at all about the baseliners is Haeldone Dorgiers of CONCORD.

Originally by: Haeldone Dorgiers
Local forces reporting zero dropship launches. Stay frosty, pilots. The baseliners may not be the target this time.


The only comment from Heavenbound as to who the targets are is:

Originally by: Slave Heavenbound02
We are coming for you, capsuleers.


This does not imply that they're not coming for everybody else, too. We just happen to be the ones, mostly, in earshot. We're also New Eden's primary defenders in this war.

Now, what you say about Nation attacks being relatively easily evaded and so on is more or less true. However, you seem to give Kuvakei and his minions very little credit for intelligence. If they were as stupid as you seem to suggest, Kuvakei's carnivorous utopia would have been finished off ages ago.

Sansha Kuvakei is not stupid in that particular way, and neither are his minions. They can't kill us. They know it. It's bleeding obvious to anyone who knows that capsuleers come equipped standard with cloning contracts. Therefore, defeating us means defeating our support network: the human "baseliners."

Defeating our support network Sansha-style means fairly literally eating it alive, so what the hell do you think the Nation is going to start doing if it confirms that it has the necessary force to effectively nullify capsuleer resistance in a system?

The term "banquet" comes to mind.

But surely, you must see something I don't?

Caviar Liberta
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2011.07.08 07:50:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Caviar Liberta on 08/07/2011 07:50:30
After reading though this communique it should be clear what needs to be done. It is in my opinion that we we need to start petitioning CONCORD. CONCORD needs to have an emergency summit to do the following.

1. Implore the Gallente,Caldari, Amarr and Matari to agree to stand down all hostile actions between them till further notice until the Sansha threat has been dealt with.

2. Upon Agreeing with the first point, the formation of a joint strike force from the 4 races that will work in concert with anti-Sansha forces.

3. The deactivation of cyno jammers in effected systems .5 security or above for deployment of capital ship assets.

If anyone can think of any other ideas to add to this please do so.


Mizhara Del'thul
Minmatar
Lutinari Syndicate
Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.07.08 10:33:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Caviar Liberta
Edited by: Caviar Liberta on 08/07/2011 07:50:30
After reading though this communique it should be clear what needs to be done. It is in my opinion that we we need to start petitioning CONCORD. CONCORD needs to have an emergency summit to do the following.

1. Implore the Gallente,Caldari, Amarr and Matari to agree to stand down all hostile actions between them till further notice until the Sansha threat has been dealt with.


I don't know what boosters you are mixing, but I think you've found a perfect mix to completely detach yourself from all reality. If you think there's even the slightest chance that the Matari will put themselves in a vulnerable non-combat position towards the Amarr Empire, or the other way around, you're delusional. Nation have completely failed to show themselves as anywhere near the kind of threat to our people that the Amarr Empire is, and thus will most certainly not be worthy of a ceasefire.


Jenneth:

I don't have any information you don't, but there's no indications of Nation aiming for baseliners at the moment, so I don't see them as even the slightest threat anymore. Should they do so, I might pop by... if it is within Tribal space. If they don't... they're no longer worthy of much attention. Angels and Amarrians are greater issues to deal with, as they still target baseliners.

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.08 12:19:00 - [22]
 

Nation abandonning civilian abduction is a total nonsense. They have done it for decades now, and they eventually need it for questions of manpower. The goal of these massive incursions may have changed, but the same old facts remain true, independantly of the new incursions they are operating.

Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:40:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Caviar Liberta
Edited by: Caviar Liberta on 08/07/2011 07:50:30
3. The deactivation of cyno jammers in effected systems .5 security or above for deployment of capital ship assets.



I support this idea. Twisted Evil

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.07.08 17:05:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul
... there's no indications of Nation aiming for baseliners at the moment, so I don't see them as even the slightest threat anymore.


Let's hope the Nation doesn't give you cause to regret your attitude, Ms. Del'thul.

Let's also hope what you've got isn't catching. Normally, I tend to think that those who depend on the stupidity of their enemies deserve what they get, but it isn't going to be you suffering, either way, is it?

Not for a long time, anyway.

Unit CA108AF
Posted - 2011.07.08 17:57:00 - [25]
 

"Pilot" Del'thul's credibility is minimal in this situation and her bias towards the Amarr Empire clouds her better judgement in this matter. Unit does not suggest listening to her "claims."

Cmdr Baxter
The Synenose Accord
Celestial Imperative
Posted - 2011.07.08 18:38:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Cmdr Baxter on 08/07/2011 18:41:38
Originally by: Lyn Farel
Nation abandonning civilian abduction is a total nonsense. They have done it for decades now, and they eventually need it for questions of manpower. The goal of these massive incursions may have changed, but the same old facts remain true, independantly of the new incursions they are operating.

Capt. Farel, Nation ceased civilian abductions six months ago. They answered the manpower issue with resurrection facilities deployed as part of every constellation-wide incursion. However, Nation may now consider capsuleers a preeminent threat to be negated before returning to civilian abductions.

Caviar Liberta
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2011.07.08 19:08:00 - [27]
 

Pilot Del'thul is simply expressing her view of my proposal. When someone tries to look far enough to imagine a possible end situation to a conflict then it might give the impression of a detachment from reality. My proposal for action from CONCORD will probably never happen, but I figure the extreme situation that is developing from the change in Nation tactics requires extreme actions to counter it.

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.07.08 19:16:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Caviar Liberta
Pilot Del'thul is simply expressing her view of my proposal.


Would that this were true, pilot. Your willingness to be understanding does you credit, but, if you scroll up, you'll find that her primary assertions predate yours. Ms. Del'thul playing the part of a prize fool is not something we can give you sole credit for.

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.08 19:27:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Lyn Farel on 08/07/2011 19:29:30
Originally by: Cmdr Baxter
Edited by: Cmdr Baxter on 08/07/2011 18:41:38
Originally by: Lyn Farel
Nation abandonning civilian abduction is a total nonsense. They have done it for decades now, and they eventually need it for questions of manpower. The goal of these massive incursions may have changed, but the same old facts remain true, independantly of the new incursions they are operating.

Capt. Farel, Nation ceased civilian abductions six months ago. They answered the manpower issue with resurrection facilities deployed as part of every constellation-wide incursion. However, Nation may now consider capsuleers a preeminent threat to be negated before returning to civilian abductions.


Commander Baxter, I am stunned to read something like this from you. Nation has never ceased its abductions, as I said above, for that they have lasted decades now. When we take adbuctions into account, we are not speaking of the current incursions, but the whole Nation in itself over the years. The true slavery and sansha standard slavery still exist and more, continue to this day.

Go tell that to the people losing their families or relatives to the Nation every day in space, or in remote worlds. Even the most standard agent in Amarrian space could tell you a lot about Sansha slavery, and that it is also not a myth of the past but something still happening, as it has been for decades. Just travel in Devoid for example, and take a visit in most of the asteroid belts here : I am pretty sure you will find old generation Sansha vessels looking for preys.

Again, read what I said in the first place.

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.07.08 20:07:00 - [30]
 

Commander, I'm afraid I must agree with Ms. Farel. Even if the Nation is targeting us specifically for the moment, our relative indestructibility must lead them, inevitably, to target New Eden's human populations as a primary means to victory.

With the humans, we cannot be easily killed. Without the humans, we will not survive. Ergo, we must assume that any attack on us is simply an attempt to reduce our effectiveness in defending human population centers.


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