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Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.06 21:12:00 - [1]
 

CCP Hilmar : "I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say."

Where does this revolt rank in EVE's history?

CCP Zulu: "Not to be dismissive, but I think EVE has seen more defining moments than this. The first titan loss, the first alliance tournament, the first proper large-scale alliance warfare. Those are defining moments in EVE's history. This is a bit of noise."

CCP is watching what we do, not what we say.

Other game companies are watching to see if CCP is going to get away with this.

If you let CCP stall for a week and a half, then release a meaningless PR fluff statement, then proceed exactly as they intended all along, what message do you think that will send to CCP?

How do you think that will make EVE better in the future if CCP knows it can continue to ignore its customers with impunity?

How do you think other game development companies will react when they see that a niche subscription game with a passionate customer base can switch over to the P2W MT model and not suffer for it?

If you want EVE to be great, let CCP know, unsubscribe.

If you've given up on CCP but want other companies to make a game that's as great as EVE could have been, unsubscribe.

If you want no say in the products you pay for, and if you want every game out there to be crap, keep drinking the Koolaid. But remember, those of us with a spine will already be long gone, so the next time, CCP won't even give you the illusion of a voice, they'll just tell you to shut up and pay.

ChaeDoc II
Gallente
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.07.06 21:21:00 - [2]
 

Still on this are we?

Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson

If you let CCP stall for a week and a half, then release a meaningless PR fluff statement, then proceed exactly as they intended all along, what message do you think that will send to CCP?



Well... since CCP has made it clear that their intention is to have only vanity items available through MT i fail to see where your whining has any kind of relevance.

The rest of your post is also irrelevant.

Juliette DuBois
Posted - 2011.07.06 21:28:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: ChaeDoc II
Still on this are we?

Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson

If you let CCP stall for a week and a half, then release a meaningless PR fluff statement, then proceed exactly as they intended all along, what message do you think that will send to CCP?



Well... since CCP has made it clear that their intention is to have only vanity items available through MT i fail to see where your whining has any kind of relevance.

The rest of your post is also irrelevant.


I fail to see where OP asked an opinion?

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.07.06 21:31:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Juliette DuBois
Originally by: ChaeDoc II
Still on this are we?

Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson

If you let CCP stall for a week and a half, then release a meaningless PR fluff statement, then proceed exactly as they intended all along, what message do you think that will send to CCP?



Well... since CCP has made it clear that their intention is to have only vanity items available through MT i fail to see where your whining has any kind of relevance.

The rest of your post is also irrelevant.


I fail to see where OP asked an opinion?


Then perhaps the OP would do better to post his rant on his own blog instead of on a discussion forum.

Juliette DuBois
Posted - 2011.07.06 21:32:00 - [5]
 

You`re ranting too. Laughing These forums truly are best part of EVE.

Brujo Loco
Amarr
Brujeria Teologica
Posted - 2011.07.06 21:38:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: ChaeDoc II


Well... since CCP has made it clear that their intention is to have only vanity items available through MT i fail to see where your whining has any kind of relevance.

The rest of your post is also irrelevant.


His post is as irrelevant as yours as you failed to grasp the notion of the idea behind the post.

Lemme explain this to you for my own trolling reasons.

Equating CCP's printed/aired words to actual ingame mechanics being rescrutinized is equal to having faith in gravity bending down to allow a metahuman fakir stand on a bed of nails to amaze easily duped tourists.

See, we are "content tourists" by nature, imagine a voyeuristic mindset of sorts since we gobble up everything delivered to us by either TV/ADS/Interwebz, we are trained to equate visual stimulation with satisfaction, and this trend can easily be seen in current movies of these days that just want to make you have a seizure with the amount of CGI and bright colors and 3d crapness thrown at you. Problem is this model is not sustainable, as proven by the downfall of 3D <again> in several movies, since most people prefer to watch regular movies than 3d ones as the 3D fad is again on the downturn.

In some more years we will see 3D being pushed up again but that would be beating a dead horse with a pointy stick.

Now, as "content tourists" we will see the market is rapidly expanding to adapt to this, as now more and more MMO's for that matter need to cater up to the 3 to 6 months long subber that will "tourist" around an mmo, buying the trinkets offered at the tourist trap shops.

All of this to equate in their minds they have "visited" places outside their regular environment to feel "superior" to the other poorer tourists that simply tour their country of origin. Tourism is on the boom now because big companies discovered that by offering cheap semi affordable tourist packs of destination people would travel more since travelling equates socioeconomical power and social sites like FB thrive on PICTURES showing what you do and how great you think your life is.

IMAGES, IMAGES is what makes this world go round. So we are gorged out in visual stimuli so great, that we are now hedonistic "content tourists" that want to see more and more for cheaper but ironically leaving enough money in the destination countries for it to be profitable.

In Europe this has gone to a point where there are airlines now that CHARGE nominal fees of say 40 to 80 euros, sometimes lower, for round trips across most of europe VIA PLANE. And they are managing to become greater than trusted BIG AIRLINES because BIG AIRLINES have failed to graps the concept that LESS is MORE.

Now, with tourism it translates perfectly to the virtual world, since its a parallel world where people need to digest new stimuli to satiate created desires.

The point being made by OP is simply, the guy that moved to Thailand and now sees thailand being bombarded by tourists that trample upon his pristine secluded piece of paradise. I include myself in that category.

So, you fail to grasp the concern of OP by implying CCP having said one thing is not going to do what it has been doing lately. The Pent up anger is the anger of those used to living a certain way being swarmed by the faceless horde of "content tourists" that are more profitable to the countries as a whole than the lame weird USA EXPAT living in a third world country off a pension.

Please, for the sake of the children, learn to understand the intricacies of a post before retorting to it in a simplistic "irrelevant" way. Instead of saying the Ministry of Tourism proclaimed the UNESCO site is not going down but is being worked around, realize the UNESCO site is being torn down for a new theme park. That assumption, though proven false BY TIME is not at THE MOMENT satiated by empty words, thats all.

Thank you for not understanding.

San Severina
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.06 21:43:00 - [7]
 

Agree 100%, I really do hope people are paying attention, because I'd love to see EvE saved for the people who love the game.

I have my doubts it will happen but I live in hope.

Thanks for continuing the fight Jonathan, great OP as usualWink

QuIlliO
Posted - 2011.07.06 21:54:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson
Whiney

Originally by: Brujo Loco
Babies


It's their game. Not yours. It's clear that they've made their decisions and are willing to live with the consequences. The battle is now over.

The only metric that matters is are players having fun? Considering EVE is a niche game and has had difficulty achieving the success of more prominent games, it's pretty obvious the majority of gamers think EVE is not fun. Is CCP going to cave in totally? No. But they have Dust coming and console FPS players are a whole different breed. They've got the future to think about. Why argue the details with a group of people who cannot possibly all be pleased and who should not be relied upon for advice that affects the financial bottomline.

If 5k people want to walk away over something so trivial, its only proof that the overcommitted and inflexible were never going to be happy in the CCP world of the future. They're telling the community they're going to use restraint and, you're right, to bite their shiny metal asses. If this is such a principled matter, why wait? EVE is dead etc etc. Bury it and move on.

Eyup Mi'duck
Posted - 2011.07.06 22:01:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson
Stuff... If you want EVE to be great, let CCP know, unsubscribe. More stuff....


Muppet... how can unsubscribing ever make EVE great? It will just hasten its demise. Just show your discontent by ignoring anything involving Aurum or walking around.

ChaeDoc II
Gallente
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.07.06 22:03:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Brujo Loco
Originally by: ChaeDoc II


Well... since CCP has made it clear that their intention is to have only vanity items available through MT i fail to see where your whining has any kind of relevance.

The rest of your post is also irrelevant.


His post is as irrelevant as yours as you failed to grasp the notion of the idea behind the post.



But you agree his post is irrelevant, right?

Squidely
Posted - 2011.07.06 22:09:00 - [11]
 

Fergie...time to shaddap. It's over man. You're the last one that cares

Ayame Yubari
Posted - 2011.07.06 22:11:00 - [12]
 

Well, in all honesty, what can we do? We need to be able to trust CCP when they say "no game breaking items" in an official statement. What other choice do we really have? Continue to protest forever until... what?

You can be sure that if CCP breaks that promise, then all hell will break lose. I'm willing to bet it will be much worse than what we've seen in recent days.

Dr Lebroi
Posted - 2011.07.06 22:13:00 - [13]
 

Cancelled subscriptions brought CCP to the table. That's what "we look at what our players do and less of what they say." means. As a result we got the promise of no game changing items for sale - not a promise for ever perhaps but for the foreseable future. That was the result.

CCP measures 'metrics', it's their system that allows them to decide if something is 'really serious' (i.e. it effects company profit and future developments) or 'forum serious' (i.e. it gets them a week of bad press with the players - they apologise and it all blows over).

Perhaps where this case is interesting is that it went from 'forum serious' to 'really serious' in a few hours and caught CCP out because 'metrics' (presumably) need to be read over a time period and don't give a snapshot of how serious an issue is on an hour to hour basis.



Juliette DuBois
Posted - 2011.07.06 22:14:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Juliette DuBois on 06/07/2011 22:16:35
Originally by: Squidely
Fergie...time to shaddap. It's over man. You're the last one that cares


Cute but clumsy attempt to isolate him. Laughing Keep the entertainment flowing.

More seriously, just don`t subscribe for couple years. Trusting companies, no matter how well intentioned, is foolish. If you feel you need to have trust or faith, stop! Look what they do, not what the say they intent to do as Hilmar so correctly put it.

Dr Lebroi
Posted - 2011.07.06 22:16:00 - [15]
 

Oh and I forgot to say, the one thing we still don't know is how close to a settlement the internal CCP argument over gold ammo was. My guess is that without the cancelled accounts, gold ammo would have been with us before too long.

Pizzar
Posted - 2011.07.06 22:19:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Juliette DuBois
Originally by: Squidely
Fergie...time to shaddap. It's over man. You're the last one that cares


Cute but clumsy attempt to isolate him. Laughing Keep the entertainment flowing.


lol

..at the end of the day though, someone looking for something to be mad at will always find it. I'd quit all of it if I was really this upset though. What's fun about worrying about something that hasn't even happened yet.

AlleyKat
Gallente
The Unwanted.
Posted - 2011.07.06 22:40:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: QuIlliO

It's their game. Not yours. It's clear that they've made their decisions and are willing to live with the consequences. The battle is now over.

The only metric that matters is are players having fun? Considering EVE is a niche game and has had difficulty achieving the success of more prominent games, it's pretty obvious the majority of gamers think EVE is not fun. Is CCP going to cave in totally? No. But they have Dust coming and console FPS players are a whole different breed. They've got the future to think about. Why argue the details with a group of people who cannot possibly all be pleased and who should not be relied upon for advice that affects the financial bottomline.

If 5k people want to walk away over something so trivial, its only proof that the overcommitted and inflexible were never going to be happy in the CCP world of the future. They're telling the community they're going to use restraint and, you're right, to bite their shiny metal asses. If this is such a principled matter, why wait? EVE is dead etc etc. Bury it and move on.


I think that's a bit harsh.

The simple fact is: MMO's have dedicated communities who are fanatical about the world they play in.

The problem with CCP's recent track record is that it allowed long-worn bitterness to come to the surface.

You need to remember that if the players of your game do not see you as interested in your world as you do, or they take decisions which threaten the fabric we weave then bitterness is quick to set in. The only thing which stops people from not playing the game any longer is the hope that things will get better, and in the amount of time people personally invest in the world.

As there are many issues with the game which are perceivably not getting the sort of attention which players want over very long periods of time, like drones, gallente PvP, capital warfare, factional warfare, pos issues, rockets, division of attainable wealth amongst high/low/zero for low time-impact activities, lag, unbalanced game mechanics, bounty systems, worm holes, planetary interaction, basic ship balance...(I could go on)...you end up with an overwhelming outburst of emotion when stuff like the last few weeks happens.

I do not believe the recent player action would have resulted in as many unsubs as it did - if the game wasn't so perceivably 'broken'.

MMO gamers will forgive, but they will never, ever forget.

In the future, if CCP do not make good on any promise or fail in any area whatsoever, then the players will call them on it instantly - and this could be something as straightforward as a typo in a forum post in the out of pod section. Someone will see the typo, and say 'hey you misspelt that, did you also make mistakes in the game design document for Incarna?'.

The players even make meme's out of CCP's PR disasters, remember '18 months'? In other non-EVE forums I'm seeing references to 'Monocles'.

I really, genuinely, truly believed that 2011 would be CCP's finest hour and what I've seen players say in the last few weeks, and the actions they have taken have shocked me.

I never thought it would or could ever get this bad.

CCP have got some tough times ahead and nothing but pure brilliance will allow them to claw themselves back to an even keel. To get back in the players 'good books' will take nothing short of gaming nirvana in an EVE sense of the word.

The worst thing is this: it could have been avoided.

AK


Lonox
Gallente
Hilmar is Lord
Posted - 2011.07.06 22:50:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Brujo Loco

Lemme explain this to you for my own trolling reasons.


You're doing it wrong. Laughing


Jaroslav Unwanted
Posted - 2011.07.06 22:53:00 - [19]
 

Hate to burst your bubble, BUT

Its happening at gaming industry for past ten years.

Glad you opened your eyes but you change nothing.

DrDan21
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.07.06 22:54:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: DrDan21 on 06/07/2011 22:55:22
They said vanity items only, which is all anyone really cared about (well that and the performance issues / ship spinning loss)

I don't care if monocles cost $60, at least now I have an isk sink that I can troll with

Besides it could be worse. We could have had to deal with EA customer support.

San Severina
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.06 22:58:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: QuIlliO
Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson
Whiney

Originally by: Brujo Loco
Babies


It's their game. Not yours. It's clear that they've made their decisions and are willing to live with the consequences. The battle is now over.

The only metric that matters is are players having fun? Considering EVE is a niche game and has had difficulty achieving the success of more prominent games, it's pretty obvious the majority of gamers think EVE is not fun. Is CCP going to cave in totally? No. But they have Dust coming and console FPS players are a whole different breed. They've got the future to think about. Why argue the details with a group of people who cannot possibly all be pleased and who should not be relied upon for advice that affects the financial bottomline.

If 5k people want to walk away over something so trivial, its only proof that the overcommitted and inflexible were never going to be happy in the CCP world of the future. They're telling the community they're going to use restraint and, you're right, to bite their shiny metal asses. If this is such a principled matter, why wait? EVE is dead etc etc. Bury it and move on.


1/10 Your trolling skills are ordinary, I'm not convinced you are applying yourself 100% to the task, more effort pleaseWink

San Severina
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.06 23:03:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Eyup Mi'duck
Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson
Stuff... If you want EVE to be great, let CCP know, unsubscribe. More stuff....


Muppet... how can unsubscribing ever make EVE great? It will just hasten its demise. Just show your discontent by ignoring anything involving Aurum or walking around.


Dear Oh Dear.

Read Hilmar's famous internal email.

Think about itWink

San Severina
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.06 23:06:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: DrDan21
Edited by: DrDan21 on 06/07/2011 22:55:22
They said vanity items only, which is all anyone really cared about (well that and the performance issues / ship spinning loss)

I don't care if monocles cost $60, at least now I have an isk sink that I can troll with

Besides it could be worse. We could have had to deal with EA customer support.


Actually, they didn't say anything of the sort, but you keep believing what you like Wink

Jonathan Malcom
Gallente
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.07.06 23:24:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Brujo Loco
Originally by: ChaeDoc II


Well... since CCP has made it clear that their intention is to have only vanity items available through MT i fail to see where your whining has any kind of relevance.

The rest of your post is also irrelevant.


His post is as irrelevant as yours as you failed to grasp the notion of the idea behind the post.

Lemme explain this to you for my own trolling reasons.

Equating CCP's printed/aired words to actual ingame mechanics being rescrutinized is equal to having faith in gravity bending down to allow a metahuman fakir stand on a bed of nails to amaze easily duped tourists.

See, we are "content tourists" by nature, imagine a voyeuristic mindset of sorts since we gobble up everything delivered to us by either TV/ADS/Interwebz, we are trained to equate visual stimulation with satisfaction, and this trend can easily be seen in current movies of these days that just want to make you have a seizure with the amount of CGI and bright colors and 3d crapness thrown at you. Problem is this model is not sustainable, as proven by the downfall of 3D <again> in several movies, since most people prefer to watch regular movies than 3d ones as the 3D fad is again on the downturn.

In some more years we will see 3D being pushed up again but that would be beating a dead horse with a pointy stick.

Now, as "content tourists" we will see the market is rapidly expanding to adapt to this, as now more and more MMO's for that matter need to cater up to the 3 to 6 months long subber that will "tourist" around an mmo, buying the trinkets offered at the tourist trap shops.

All of this to equate in their minds they have "visited" places outside their regular environment to feel "superior" to the other poorer tourists that simply tour their country of origin. Tourism is on the boom now because big companies discovered that by offering cheap semi affordable tourist packs of destination people would travel more since travelling equates socioeconomical power and social sites like FB thrive on PICTURES showing what you do and how great you think your life is.

IMAGES, IMAGES is what makes this world go round. So we are gorged out in visual stimuli so great, that we are now hedonistic "content tourists" that want to see more and more for cheaper but ironically leaving enough money in the destination countries for it to be profitable.

In Europe this has gone to a point where there are airlines now that CHARGE nominal fees of say 40 to 80 euros, sometimes lower, for round trips across most of europe VIA PLANE. And they are managing to become greater than trusted BIG AIRLINES because BIG AIRLINES have failed to graps the concept that LESS is MORE.

Now, with tourism it translates perfectly to the virtual world, since its a parallel world where people need to digest new stimuli to satiate created desires.

The point being made by OP is simply, the guy that moved to Thailand and now sees thailand being bombarded by tourists that trample upon his pristine secluded piece of paradise. I include myself in that category.

So, you fail to grasp the concern of OP by implying CCP having said one thing is not going to do what it has been doing lately. The Pent up anger is the anger of those used to living a certain way being swarmed by the faceless horde of "content tourists" that are more profitable to the countries as a whole than the lame weird USA EXPAT living in a third world country off a pension.

Please, for the sake of the children, learn to understand the intricacies of a post before retorting to it in a simplistic "irrelevant" way. Instead of saying the Ministry of Tourism proclaimed the UNESCO site is not going down but is being worked around, realize the UNESCO site is being torn down for a new theme park. That assumption, though proven false BY TIME is not at THE MOMENT satiated by empty words, thats all.

Thank you for not understanding.


Holy ****. This is a good post.

Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
Posted - 2011.07.06 23:42:00 - [25]
 

CCP hasn't yet satisfied everyone. I for one am still waiting for the real solution.

dicen3
Posted - 2011.07.06 23:45:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Malcom
Originally by: Brujo Loco
Originally by: ChaeDoc II


Well... since CCP has made it clear that their intention is to have only vanity items available through MT i fail to see where your whining has any kind of relevance.

The rest of your post is also irrelevant.


His post is as irrelevant as yours as you failed to grasp the notion of the idea behind the post.

Lemme explain this to you for my own trolling reasons.

Equating CCP's printed/aired words to actual ingame mechanics being rescrutinized is equal to having faith in gravity bending down to allow a metahuman fakir stand on a bed of nails to amaze easily duped tourists.

See, we are "content tourists" by nature, imagine a voyeuristic mindset of sorts since we gobble up everything delivered to us by either TV/ADS/Interwebz, we are trained to equate visual stimulation with satisfaction, and this trend can easily be seen in current movies of these days that just want to make you have a seizure with the amount of CGI and bright colors and 3d crapness thrown at you. Problem is this model is not sustainable, as proven by the downfall of 3D <again> in several movies, since most people prefer to watch regular movies than 3d ones as the 3D fad is again on the downturn.

In some more years we will see 3D being pushed up again but that would be beating a dead horse with a pointy stick.

Now, as "content tourists" we will see the market is rapidly expanding to adapt to this, as now more and more MMO's for that matter need to cater up to the 3 to 6 months long subber that will "tourist" around an mmo, buying the trinkets offered at the tourist trap shops.

All of this to equate in their minds they have "visited" places outside their regular environment to feel "superior" to the other poorer tourists that simply tour their country of origin. Tourism is on the boom now because big companies discovered that by offering cheap semi affordable tourist packs of destination people would travel more since travelling equates socioeconomical power and social sites like FB thrive on PICTURES showing what you do and how great you think your life is.

IMAGES, IMAGES is what makes this world go round. So we are gorged out in visual stimuli so great, that we are now hedonistic "content tourists" that want to see more and more for cheaper but ironically leaving enough money in the destination countries for it to be profitable.

In Europe this has gone to a point where there are airlines now that CHARGE nominal fees of say 40 to 80 euros, sometimes lower, for round trips across most of europe VIA PLANE. And they are managing to become greater than trusted BIG AIRLINES because BIG AIRLINES have failed to graps the concept that LESS is MORE.

Now, with tourism it translates perfectly to the virtual world, since its a parallel world where people need to digest new stimuli to satiate created desires.

The point being made by OP is simply, the guy that moved to Thailand and now sees thailand being bombarded by tourists that trample upon his pristine secluded piece of paradise. I include myself in that category.

So, you fail to grasp the concern of OP by implying CCP having said one thing is not going to do what it has been doing lately. The Pent up anger is the anger of those used to living a certain way being swarmed by the faceless horde of "content tourists" that are more profitable to the countries as a whole than the lame weird USA EXPAT living in a third world country off a pension.

Please, for the sake of the children, learn to understand the intricacies of a post before retorting to it in a simplistic "irrelevant" way. Instead of saying the Ministry of Tourism proclaimed the UNESCO site is not going down but is being worked around, realize the UNESCO site is being torn down for a new theme park. That assumption, though proven false BY TIME is not at THE MOMENT satiated by empty words, thats all.

Thank you for not understanding.


Holy ****. This is a good post

fart

Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.07 00:38:00 - [27]
 

OP is a moron.

While there were many complaints in the recent protests, the ONE, ONLY, LONE 'core complaint' was that PLEX needed no company (even if that was not one of YOUR complaints, it is still true). No additional Pay to Win of ANY sort (and for the record, PLEX has a couple of mitigating aspects that make it not so bad, even if it is a bad feature.....)

PLEX is bad enough by itself, we don't need more of the same.

And CCP agreed. Prehaps grudgingly, but they did.

And you want them punished for it? Idiot.

Yes, no matter what they say, they could go back on that. If they do, THEN unsubscribe. Its that simple.

Tanya Fox
Posted - 2011.07.07 00:43:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Tanya Fox on 07/07/2011 00:46:54
Edited by: Tanya Fox on 07/07/2011 00:43:40
Originally by: San Severina
Agree 100%, I really do hope people are paying attention, because I'd love to see EvE saved for the people who love the game.

I have my doubts it will happen but I live in hope.

Thanks for continuing the fight Jonathan, great OP as usualWink



Lol, you and the OP are like some comedy double act. See you're agreeing 100% again, you might as well not bother as we already know what you're going to say.

Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.07 00:45:00 - [29]
 

If, in the course of life, you can't handle that other people have differing drives and objectives, and can't handle that rough hewn compromises are the reality of simply moving on and getting things DONE, then you DESERVE any hell you get.

Perfection is the enemy of actual accomplishment in actual human interactions.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.07 00:50:00 - [30]
 

I love EvE and it venomous community and hope it never dies.

SWG died and Star Wars is one of the biggest brand names out there. I don't want EvE to go the way of SWG, and mentioned it several times during all this.

Maybe CCP was going the way of the NGE and maybe they were not, I will never know for certain. But when it looked like they were going to, many of us took up arms and protested. Maybe we stopped something from happening, and maybe we did not.

The fact of the matter is that we care about the sandbox and did what we felt was right.

Now there's 2 things you can do about it. You can get in a ship and come show your disdain, or you can post about it.



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