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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2011.07.05 23:33:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Seriphyn Inhonores on 05/07/2011 23:37:57
On behalf of the Federal Defence Union and as a senior chief amongst tactical forces, I release the following briefing on how the social, political and economic climate will change amongst any systems under Caldari occupation within the Federation contested zone. The mandate of the State Protectorate is the conquest of the Federation, as per its public advertisement towards capsuleers, and this is exactly what many Caldari pilots are currently undertaking. Whereas earlier this year, the previous campaign was composed of only a few, elite pilots, this effort comprises a significant chunk of the State Protectorate. STPRO are targeting Intaki specifically due to its political value, with their stated intention to destabilize the Federation as an ultimate goal. However, other systems are under threat.

In midyear 111, the Caldari State consolidated total control of the area known as the Federal Defence Cordon, which comprises much of Placid along with small portions of the Verge and Essence. The Caldari Providence Directorated issued a blind auction for corporate ownership of the occupied systems, with the results being announced ten days later. Under State law, any of these systems that are held under Caldari military control are considered the property of whatever megacorp that successfully purchased the system.

As a society that is motivated primarily by profit gains, without a concept of civil governance, living under Caldari occupation was unpleasant for the most part. Foreign regimes did not have to be concerned with the local population, and thus, mortality rates were not recorded (as has not been done with the occupation of Caldari Prime). Reports that received exposure on Scope capsuleer newsnets included details of the destruction of civilian vessels (Gallentean and neutral) by the Caldari Navy and acts of piracy by outsourced corporate paramilitaries. However, a communications blackout was established on the occupied areas, meaning that any further details became sketchy. For a point of reference though, take the ruthless, hypercapitalistic society of the Caldari, and impose it on a mostly peaceful Intaki population native to the region.

We do not suspect any Caldari megacorporations to begin planetside operations so quickly this time around, as the previous Federation counterattack towards the end of 111 and into 112 sent the State into economic upheaval, with many corporations simply not prepared for ferocity of the offensive. Nonetheless, if uncontested for long enough, we can expect a repeat of what occured groundside almost two years ago now. We encourage local capsuleers to make use of the CONCORD Planetary Development Treaty and their non-hostile relations with planetary governments (meaning, non-STPRO) to deny occupying megacorps any industrial use for these sovereign planets.

There is the question of Intaki. Under State law, once Intaki falls to Caldari occupation, it is regarded as Ishukone property as per Heth's auction. When not under occupation, Ishukone's activities in the system is of its own accord. Under Federal law, Ishukone is operating legally as per franchise laws in the Federal Charter. It does not recognize Executor Heth's blind auction, and neither does CONCORD (reflected by no recognized changes in sovereignty, despite the installation of Caldari rule across the occupied Placid worlds).

Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2011.07.05 23:34:00 - [2]
 

From a Caldari perspective, it could be said that the State militia campaign into Intaki is to guarantee Ishukone's investment and protect it from Federal intervention. However, this is a fallacy at best. As mentioned, Ishukone's investment is protected under local and Federal law, while Villore itself has not had any influence amongst the Intaki system for decades. It is also heinous that thousands have been killed for this moot objective. As far as the FDU is concerned, the State Protectorate wish to reassert Caldari rule over the Placid area (capsuleers should take note that Intaki is not the only system under threat here). Granted, Ishukone's presence means that it acts as a warden and custodian from the excesses of other megacorporations, who were rather rough with the other occupied systems. The question remains though; what is to stop Tibus Heth ordering a planetside invasion of the Intaki homeworld? The megacorporations of the Caldari State are oft-known for going at each other's throats, and Executor Heth has stepped on the toes of the megacorporations. There is nothing stopping him for trying to do the same with Ishukone.

Intaki aside, many other worlds are under threat here, who do not have the benefit of a Gallente-friendly megacorporation as custodian. This war is no longer about dots on a map; it is about the lives of millions of people. Do not make that mistake.

Diana Kim
Caldari
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.07.06 10:26:00 - [3]
 

Ah, I am really tired of gallente spokesmen who try to convince others that ownership by megacorporation is not good.
Well, being owned by megacorp means being part of megacorp. And when you are part of megacorp, you are developed by megacorp so you can develop that megacorp yourself.

If you want to question efficiency of Caldari management - go ahead, and compare huge crumbling Federation with much smaller, but highly organized State, that succeed in capturing planet deep inside Federation territory. Our State gave so much trouble for Federation, that they even changed their president.

With help of mischievous capsuleers, Federation was able to get once captured systems back. We have already stopped their advance and are fighting hard to reclaim corporate property. But it's never enough for Federation, that tries to recruit more capsuleers by trying to worsen us with usual gallente-style propaganda.

ENOUGH.

Pilots of the State!

If the State means for you more than just place to leave, if you hate to watch plundering of corporate properties, if you long for something greater instead of running small tasks for corporations...

ENLIST YOURSELF NOW
and help us recapture systems in Placid and other regions.

Together we will push frogs back to their hole that they call Villore, and bring glory to the State!

D.Kim, Wing Commander

Jesmine Kyriel
Amarr
House Kyriel Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.06 11:11:00 - [4]
 

Are you ill, pilot Kim? Your linguistical skills seems to degrade by the day.

Diana Kim
Caldari
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.07.06 13:25:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel
Are you ill, pilot Kim? Your linguistical skills seems to degrade by the day.


Sorry for making it hard to read, it wasn't by intention.
Indeed, I do not have certificates in intergalactic language like most of diplomats do.
However, I assure you my skills are pretty enough for interrogation of captured gallente officials. At least if it is not enough, red hot iron always help them to understand me.

Nick Bete
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.07.06 14:03:00 - [6]
 

As if Gen. Inhonores' facts weren't enough reason to push back against the Statist threat then the admission of torture on the part of Pilot Kim certainly are. In one post she rails against the Gallente (spews blind bigoted hatred actually) then in the next admits to using torture implements against POWs.

Kim, you are a semi-literate sociopath. The day you and your ilk are pushed back to Caldari space will be a day of rejoicing.

Best of luck to Gen. Inhonores and the brave men and women of the FDU in repelling the Caldari menace. Unlike genocidal maniacs like Kim I don't wish the destruction of the State, I just want them out of Federal systems.

Nausea
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.07.06 14:08:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Diana Kim


However, I assure you my skills are pretty enough for interrogation of captured gallente officials. At least if it is not enough, red hot iron always help them to understand me.




You know, nothing quite gets someone to fight to their very last breath, to give everything for their cause, quite like knowing that brutal torture awaits them should they fail...

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.07.06 14:42:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Diana Kim
Ah, I am really tired of gallente spokesmen who try to convince others that ownership by megacorporation is not good.


Except he's provided facts that show clear examples of mismanagement, abuse, neglect and outright incompetence on the part of the State occupation, whereas all you have to show for it are very clear bigotry, jingoism and outright lies.

Originally by: Diana Kim
If you want to question efficiency of Caldari management - go ahead, and compare huge crumbling Federation with much smaller, but highly organized State, that succeed in capturing planet deep inside Federation territory. Our State gave so much trouble for Federation, that they even changed their president.


And the Federation's liberation of the systems which suffered under your brutal occupation crippled your economy.

Originally by: Diana Kim
With help of mischievous capsuleers, Federation was able to get once captured systems back. We have already stopped their advance and are fighting hard to reclaim corporate property.


It's not corporate property. The State has no right to a single cubic metre of Placid. Those systems belong to the Federal citizens who live in them.

Originally by: Diana Kim
and help us recapture systems in Placid and other regions.


So it's "capture". You're a pathetic, crawling worm who can build nothing for yourself, and so you must subsist by sucking dry the accomplishments and property of others. You are everything that is wrong with the State, and it is no wonder that the reasonable Caldari are fleeing the State in droves.

Nur AlHuda
Amarr
Callide Vulpis
Posted - 2011.07.06 14:46:00 - [9]
 

Problem with Intaki is that Gallente Federation never developed that part of space and also did everythink possible to not secure it properly. Those Intakis who left home played major part in the federation but on national level Intaki prime was left dry in a very sorry state.

Federation wants to abolish nations and establish rule of equality under one goverment. Thats why during federation history all planets that housed major nations were left to fend for themselves and when they stepped out of the line they were punished. Caldari Prime was actualy bombarded from orbit in the name of democracy...

Intaki will one day decide for themselves what is best for them but but i dont see it happen that they would be interested in gallente federation who didnt lift a finger in the entire history to help the region.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.07.06 14:53:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Nur AlHuda
Problem with Intaki is that Gallente Federation never developed that part of space


Incorrect. The Intaki system alone has six major stations, innumerable smaller facilities and thriving planetary economies.

Originally by: Nur AlHuda
and also did everythink possible to not secure it properly.


Incorrect. The Intaki system is low-security by agreement in the Federation's founding charter.

Originally by: Nur AlHuda
Intaki prime was left dry in a very sorry state.


Incorrect. Intaki Prime has one of the strongest economies in the Federation.

Originally by: Nur AlHuda
Thats why during federation history all planets that housed major nations were left to fend for themselves and when they stepped out of the line they were punished. Caldari Prime was actualy bombarded from orbit in the name of democracy...


Gross oversimplification and misrepresentation of the entire situation for the benefit of propoganda.

Originally by: Nur AlHuda
Intaki will one day decide for themselves what is best for them but but i dont see it happen that they would be interested in gallente federation who didnt lift a finger in the entire history to help the region.


Incorrect.

Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.06 15:54:00 - [11]
 

As much as it pains me to say it, I have to agree with Mister Ixiris in this instance.

I make no judgment on whether or not the Intaki system will be better served under the Federation or the State as I am not qualified to make such a statement and it isn't my decision to make to begin with.

But if you're going to make statements regarding the state of affairs in the Intaki system and the history regarding it, at least base your statements on factual information.

Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2011.07.06 17:23:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Bataav on 06/07/2011 17:32:25
Edited by: Bataav on 06/07/2011 17:25:22
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Nur AlHuda
and also did everythink possible to not secure it properly.


Incorrect. The Intaki system is low-security by agreement in the Federation's founding charter.

I'd be interested to read more on this as it's not the first time I've heard this.

I was of the understanding that the entire security rating mechanic was a CONCORD system whether applied to regions of space, such as the Intaki system, or to individual capsuleers.

As the mechanic is applied universally across the cluster it makes sense that a single organisation be responsible for it's administration and coordination and following it's creation by all four empires, CONCORD is perfectly placed to do so.

Interestingly if the security status of the systems within the Federation's borders are indeed the creation of the Senate itself, I have difficulty reconciling this with my brief research into the public records regarding security status and it's impact on capsuleer activities. The line that immediately caught my attention was:
Quote:
Sectors the empires have found of special interest tend to a high security rating, with patrols policing those sectors for known criminals and enemies of the state.

In my mind Intaki is, or should be, of special interest to the Federation both as the Home system of a Charter signatory and as a strategic region in terms of the Federation / State border zone.

Originally by: Raze Valadeus
I make no judgment on whether or not the Intaki system will be better served under the Federation or the State as I am not qualified to make such a statement and it isn't my decision to make to begin with.

There are those of us who believe those are not the only options available, despite the assertions of others.

Originally by: Raze Valadeus
But if you're going to make statements regarding the state of affairs in the Intaki system and the history regarding it, at least base your statements on factual information.

Unfortunately the nature of Intaki debate means we are often discussing unknowns, the details and facts that could settle an issue often unavailable to us. I'm happy to accept it as fact, if it can be shown that Mr Ixiris' assertion that the current low security designation for the system is indeed by Federation design, even though it appears to condradict what could be expected in light of the text linked above. I'd note though that I'm not so sure that when championing the Federation in response to criticism I'd want to name the Charter as the cause. That said, as a secessionist I'd be more than happy to refer to the revelation.

However, if I am correct that CONCORD is the body that designated Intaki with a 0.1 rating then the Senate is cleared of being responsible for Intaki's low rating, and consequently the risks it brings.

[Edit: Typo]

Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.06 17:53:00 - [13]
 

Captain Bataav,

My ignorance regarding the Intaki system and Federation/State relations was, I hope, clearly stated. (Hence why I will not try and pretend to have some manner of authority or relevant opinion on the matter.)

I had heard of the low security based on the charter argument before and had been shown proof of it at one point but I cannot remember where or by whom, I offer my sincerest apologies for that.


Diana Kim
Caldari
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.07.06 19:14:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Nick Bete
Kim, you are a semi-literate sociopath. The day you and your ilk are pushed back to Caldari space will be a day of rejoicing.

Well, I may not be skilled in Intergalactic language, however monks, who were my masters, have taught me very beauty ancient language named taistoiitsu. You may not know the word, by I assure you, it's the best language you can use to show your love to gallente. Should you ever consider coming to my Captain Quarters and talk with me eye-to-eye, I'll show you that you was absolutely wrong, and how much diplomatic I can be. *grins*

Originally by: Nausea
You know, nothing quite gets someone to fight to their very last breath, to give everything for their cause, quite like knowing that brutal torture awaits them should they fail...

Why, but why... I didn't mean any brutal tortures or other indecent actions. Red hot iron is just... just a tool... for gallente to understand us (and to compensate my lack in skill of using Intergalactic language)
There is no need to use red hot iron when gallente understands you.

Originally by: Raze Valadeus
As much as it pains me to say it, I have to agree with Mister Ixiris in this instance.

Woe upon you for doing this *shakes head*

Originally by: Raze Valadeus
I make no judgment on whether or not the Intaki system will be better served under the Federation or the State as I am not qualified to make such a statement and it isn't my decision to make to begin with.

This is simple - you can't please anyone. Just can't. While Federation tries to talk otherwise and pretends to act in interests of people, the Corporations just do their job. Not for everyone, but for themselves. And for those, who are working for them.
For economic in systems? Of course management of megacorporations will be way more efficient than of gallente politicians.

But you should understand, this war is not for Intaki. It is for resources Intaki has. This includes planets themselves, mineable resources from planets, built infrastructure, different commercial assets, and even people, who can be hired for work.

We don't need people votes, but the gallente propaganda shows our corporations as 'bad and evil', that hits employment. Well, someone said, that I myself is an example of 'bad and evil' or whatever, but I do not represent any of corporations. I am part of the force that deals with enemies of corporations, and all I want to show you, is that you, my dear readers, would better not become enemy of the State ;)

Nur AlHuda
Amarr
Callide Vulpis
Posted - 2011.07.06 19:41:00 - [15]
 

Lets also not forget the fact that Federation signed the agreement about creating militias which led to gallente defeat in the region and aquiring the systems by caldari state. Whole systems around Intaki becomed battlegrounds and as last lets not forget that Ishukone aquired Intaki as corporation property.

Intakis must feel very proud how fast federation tossed them under the bus.

Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.06 19:43:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Diana Kim

But you should understand, this war is not for Intaki. It is for resources Intaki has. This includes planets themselves, mineable resources from planets, built infrastructure, different commercial assets, and even people, who can be hired for work.



Really? This sort of statement justifies exactly what General Inhonores was saying in his original post. It is also not very effective if you're hoping to convince the Intaki people to work with you instead of against you.

It does, however, shine new light on this statement:

Originally by: Diana Kim

Ah, I am really tired of gallente spokesmen who try to convince others that ownership by megacorporation is not good.


It appears you'd rather go about doing that job yourself.

I begin to understand why you are on the front lines of the war and not the CEO of one of the State's megacorporations or involved in diplomatic affairs of any kind. No doubt the State has discovered you are most efficient when speaking with ammunition and not with words.

I can only be thankful that you do not actually represent or speak for the State. If you truly are as patriotic as you are claiming to be, you would serve the State and its allies better by sticking to missiles and turrets.



Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.06 20:06:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Raze Valadeus on 06/07/2011 20:06:16
Originally by: Nur AlHuda
Lets also not forget the fact that Federation signed the agreement about creating militias which led to gallente defeat in the region and aquiring the systems by caldari state. Whole systems around Intaki becomed battlegrounds and as last lets not forget that Ishukone aquired Intaki as corporation property.

Intakis must feel very proud how fast federation tossed them under the bus.


You mean the Emergency Militia Powers Act, which was brought about primarily due to the actions of the Elder Invasion and the collapse of CONCORD communication by the destruction of their presence in the Yulai system? The very same act which declares specific systems as contestable through recognition by CONCORD, not any of the four major empires? The very same act that was designed to protect CONCORD from being further victimized by the aggression and tactics of any of the four major empires and regulated warfare through proxy by capsuleers? The very same act that was ratified by all four major empires?

That act?


Nur AlHuda
Amarr
Callide Vulpis
Posted - 2011.07.06 22:13:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Raze Valadeus
Edited by: Raze Valadeus on 06/07/2011 20:06:16
Originally by: Nur AlHuda
Lets also not forget the fact that Federation signed the agreement about creating militias which led to gallente defeat in the region and aquiring the systems by caldari state. Whole systems around Intaki becomed battlegrounds and as last lets not forget that Ishukone aquired Intaki as corporation property.

Intakis must feel very proud how fast federation tossed them under the bus.


You mean the Emergency Militia Powers Act, which was brought about primarily due to the actions of the Elder Invasion and the collapse of CONCORD communication by the destruction of their presence in the Yulai system? The very same act which declares specific systems as contestable through recognition by CONCORD, not any of the four major empires? The very same act that was designed to protect CONCORD from being further victimized by the aggression and tactics of any of the four major empires and regulated warfare through proxy by capsuleers? The very same act that was ratified by all four major empires?

That act?




I dont why you bring concord into this because federation willingly without any democratic procedures tossed this planets into a warzone area. Even if higher goal was at stake do you think Intaki will forget the gallentean defeat and Ishukone aquisition of the planet? For you it might look high and noble but a common citizen of the planed will be fed up with entire federal goverment. For him words like yulai, concord doesnt mean anythink because they were never present. You are mixing stuff up. Maybe concord is important to someone in highsec but in lowsec worlds it doesnt mean anythink and never meant.

Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.06 22:17:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Nur AlHuda
Originally by: Raze Valadeus
Edited by: Raze Valadeus on 06/07/2011 20:06:16
Originally by: Nur AlHuda
Lets also not forget the fact that Federation signed the agreement about creating militias which led to gallente defeat in the region and aquiring the systems by caldari state. Whole systems around Intaki becomed battlegrounds and as last lets not forget that Ishukone aquired Intaki as corporation property.

Intakis must feel very proud how fast federation tossed them under the bus.


You mean the Emergency Militia Powers Act, which was brought about primarily due to the actions of the Elder Invasion and the collapse of CONCORD communication by the destruction of their presence in the Yulai system? The very same act which declares specific systems as contestable through recognition by CONCORD, not any of the four major empires? The very same act that was designed to protect CONCORD from being further victimized by the aggression and tactics of any of the four major empires and regulated warfare through proxy by capsuleers? The very same act that was ratified by all four major empires?

That act?




I dont why you bring concord into this because federation willingly without any democratic procedures tossed this planets into a warzone area. Even if higher goal was at stake do you think Intaki will forget the gallentean defeat and Ishukone aquisition of the planet? For you it might look high and noble but a common citizen of the planed will be fed up with entire federal goverment. For him words like yulai, concord doesnt mean anythink because they were never present. You are mixing stuff up. Maybe concord is important to someone in highsec but in lowsec worlds it doesnt mean anythink and never meant.


Miss AlHuda,

I am not mixing anything up, the fact is that those events are the same. Secondly, you now presume to speak for the Intaki people? I am no supporter of the Federation, my only issue with the statements given here are that they are not factually based.

If you're going to attempt to debate against people like Mister Ixiris and General Inhonores on a public forum, you may wish to bring solid facts to the debate as well as be able to reference those facts for others to find. Otherwise you're going to not only give them fuel to obliterate your argument, you're going to do far more damage to your cause than good.

It's really quite that simple. Suppositions, opinions and presumptions have a very specific purpose in debate. Debating historical facts and relevancy is not one of those places.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.07.06 22:27:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Nur AlHuda
I dont why you bring concord into this because federation willingly without any democratic procedures tossed this planets into a warzone area.


And what was the Federation to do? Hamstring itself with sanctions by rejecting the Militia Powers Act? Leave CONCORD and void all protections it was entitled to under its aegis? The Federation was forced into this war by the actions of others.

Dirk Smacker
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
Posted - 2011.07.06 23:24:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Nausea
Originally by: Diana Kim

You know, nothing quite gets someone to fight to their very last breath, to give everything for their cause, quite like knowing that brutal torture awaits them should they fail...

If by "nothing quite gets someone to fight to their very last breath, to give everything for their cause" you mean "wait for Demar to go to sleep and fly next to Federation ships in complexes" then yes, the Gallente are doing that.

Sakaane Eionell
Intaki Liberation Front
Posted - 2011.07.07 00:16:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Diana Kim
But you should understand, this war is not for Intaki. It is for resources Intaki has. This includes planets themselves, mineable resources from planets, built infrastructure, different commercial assets, and even people, who can be hired for work.

Why does the State think it has any right to acquire those resources for its own use in the first place? I'm not aware of any Caldari actually answering this question. Because you can? Because you enjoy creating opportunities to use your red hot iron?

If your neighbor has access any number of better resources than you do--a faster hovercar to get to work on time, a stronger transmitter to send and receive communiques to/from more remote locations, a larger home in which to live and raise a healthy family, and so on--do you just one day decide to help yourself to what he has without his permission? No, because that would be theft. So why do you think you can help yourself to Intaki's resources without the permission of its native population?

The State reduces itself to the lowest form of piracy by insisting it has the right to "capture" or "recapture" any part of Placid for its own use. Just because the State wants to slap a "Property of the State" sticker on our space doesn't actually change the fact it was never yours to begin with.

Placid is rightfully territory of the Federation as negotiated between Gallente and Intaki ancestors after first contact was made. The Intaki people opted to join the Gallente at that time and helped form the Federation. What part did the State have in any of that? Absolutely none. Regardless of the damage Gallente society wrought upon traditional Intaki culture thereafter, the Placid region and everything in it still belongs to the Federation. The Assembly has never rescinded its Federation membership. But not expelling Ishukone does not equate to accepting, or wanting, State rule.

Personally, if you, Diana, think anyone actually enjoys living in a state of fear where not conforming to the State means they will be tortured with red hot irons (for being, as you say, "an enemy of the State"), or would actually be happy about having such a lifestyle imposed upon them, you are very sadly disillusioned. I pity you for not seeing what a sorry society you come from, and applaud every Caldari who has left the State, regardless of where they choose to live thereafter.

Korsavius
Minmatar
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.07.07 03:13:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Sakaane Eionell

Personally, if you, Diana, think anyone actually enjoys living in a state of fear where not conforming to the State means they will be tortured with red hot irons (for being, as you say, "an enemy of the State"), or would actually be happy about having such a lifestyle imposed upon them, you are very sadly disillusioned. I pity you for not seeing what a sorry society you come from, and applaud every Caldari who has left the State, regardless of where they choose to live thereafter.


Do not seek to try and befoul the name of our State, Miss Eionell.

Diana Kim represents only one side of the Caldari State, and she does not speak for all of us. Not every Caldari is out to seek the total annihilation of the Federation, I would think someone such as yourself would know this by now.

Rikaato.

Mammal Tafren
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2011.07.07 04:09:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Korsavius

Do not seek to try and befoul the name of our State, Miss Eionell.

Diana Kim represents only one side of the Caldari State, and she does not speak for all of us. Not every Caldari is out to seek the total annihilation of the Federation, I would think someone such as yourself would know this by now.

Rikaato.


Kor,

Don't blame Sakaane for taking a dim view of the State - Diana Kim is the only one doing the talking.

This is the same Diana Kim who said in this very thread that Caldari occupation would involve exploiting Intaki for its resources, and that the Intaki people would be 'put to work' in the Megacorps. However, the only Megacorp with legal business in Intaki is Ishukone, and Diana continues to war with its representatives.

This is also the same Diana Kim who, in a thread about tolerance, made further dismissive threats.

Diana Kim has made it clear through her words that she is an enemy to the Intaki people. Unless some other Caldari Militia representative should make themselves known to convince us otherwise, we will no longer allow her to operate in Intaki unhindered.


Josh Vermanek
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2011.07.07 04:42:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Josh Vermanek on 07/07/2011 04:49:11
This has probably all been said already. But.. The developemental rights granted to Ishukone are not affected by State occupancy, and unless the assembly and general Intaki public ask for a place in the State, (The assembly and most of the public have not), then neither the State Protectorate nor the Navy itself should have a presence unless invited. The Ishukone corporation has been widely well received planetside, and there is real potential for a benifical partnership. But the use of the developmental rights as an excuse to rationalize an invasion/military presence is a sham, and words are not wisely wasted on the the likes of Dianna Kim. The general Intaki population are content in the Federation, so you can visit, but you will take nothing.

Damar Rocarion
Posted - 2011.07.07 06:33:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Mammal Tafren
Unless some other Caldari Militia representative should make themselves known to convince us otherwise, we will no longer allow her to operate in Intaki unhindered.


Diana Kim's statements are of her own and do not represent the official stance of Caldari Militia.

This is as much as I bother to respond to yet another piece of vicious propaganda by Mr. Inhonores.

Desiderya
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Posted - 2011.07.07 10:55:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
Reports that received exposure on Scope capsuleer newsnets included details of the destruction of civilian vessels (Gallentean and neutral) by the Caldari Navy and acts of piracy

The article talks about violent incidents, not the destruction of ships. The part about piracy is a pure opinion. While being tragic, things like these happen in tense situation. Official statements should always be taken with a grain of salt, of course, but it doesn't strike me as entirely impossible. Refusing to let custom officials aboard does raise suspicion. Seems like a typical matter of what or who you want to believe to me.

At any rate:
The first casualty of war is truth.

I won't respond to the rest of your conclusions, since they seem like awfully filled with prejudices, lack of understanding of caldari culture and a certain inherent arrogance.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.07.07 11:02:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Desiderya
The article talks about violent incidents, not the destruction of ships. The part about piracy is a pure opinion. While being tragic, things like these happen in tense situation.


A tense situation which would never have come about if there had not been foreign security forces squatting at our stargates.

Desiderya
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Posted - 2011.07.07 11:36:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Desiderya on 07/07/2011 11:41:56
If and if and if.
The situation is as it is. We can now start queuing "if"s to get to our desired point of views, but that would be a moot exercise, wouldn't you agree?
Besides that's not the point. Mr. Inhonores just jumped to conclusions that fit far better into his worldview or political scheme and are quite different to those a more rational approach that is based on the known facts inevitably yields.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.07.07 11:38:00 - [30]
 

No, this is an objective fact. If the Caldari State had not invaded our territory, they would not have been shooting down our haulers, stealing our resources and starving our planets.

Now get out of our territory so that you can't royally screw things up a second time, making the situation even worse.


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