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Vinsaris Rajalowe
Posted - 2011.07.05 20:06:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Vinsaris Rajalowe on 05/07/2011 20:07:05
I wanted to make a new character. Specifically, one who was clearly of African decent. So I went through all four empires and all twelve sub-groups ethnicities and found that, in doing so, my options were Minmitar/Brutor and... that's it. And what a positive, progressive role model those Brutor present, eh?

Still, it could be worse. I could be trying to make a character who was Indian, or Arabic, or any of the other numerous real-world possibilities out there beyond Caucasian and/or East Asian. But that would be just silly, now wouldn't it?

/troll on

So, CCP, how's living in Iceland working for you guys? Hope you aren't having any trouble keeping connected with the real world out there on your frozen paradise of near-infinite isolation. Because that would be a real shame if you lost any potential customers (such as the entire population of India, for instance) due to the simple myopia of your pink-pink-or-pink color wheel.

I know, I know, it would just be sooooo hard to fix this, and you've got all those virtual t-shirts to sell. Still, perhaps you could, just maybe, grab one of your programmers when he's on break and have him take six minutes away from his doughnut to do this for us?

/troll off



K'iran
Spirit of EVE
Posted - 2011.07.05 20:38:00 - [2]
 

You DO realise that the "politically correct" way is actually more racist than not bothering or thinking about it? Every time you see a picture or add there's always 1 black person in it, on purpose, just to make sure it's "not racist", while in fact it is exactly that because of thinking that way.

Similarly here, they had a RP background idea and needed a counterpart for the Amarr, so they chose Minnie of which one line is black. The other two aren't.

I'm sure when you make your own game you won't forget about <insert small ethnicity/country here> because you can't possibly not account for all options.

Xercodo
Amarr
Xovoni Directorate
Posted - 2011.07.05 20:42:00 - [3]
 

btw every race has an Asian variant

Khanid / Achura / Jin-mei / Vherokior

Coruso Malefactor
Posted - 2011.07.05 20:53:00 - [4]
 

Some races may have been mixed to the point of dilution since "present day".

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2011.07.05 21:22:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Vinsaris Rajalowe
And what a positive, progressive role model those Brutor present, eh?


Yes, yes we do.

Quote:
A martial, strong-willed people, the Brutor hold their tribal heritage close to their hearts. Strong advocates of transforming the Republic into a tribal-based government, they would love nothing more than for all seven of the Minmatar tribes to reunite as one nation. The Brutor are renowned for living regimented, disciplined lives. Despite presenting a tough, no-nonsense exterior, they are deeply introspective and "in the moment", aware of even the smallest detail. Immersed in ancient martial traditions that begin at childhood, they are physically robust individuals and intimidating to face in the flesh.

Generals4
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.05 23:14:00 - [6]
 

Oh look a wanna-be "politically correct" guy!

People like you ruin it for all those who aren't constantly thinking about racism and all that shizzle. Is it so hard to just, i dunno, roll with it and not seeing all kinds of evil everywhere you can.
This is just as ******ed as the "omg there are no asians in wow" kind of posts.

Olvel
Posted - 2011.07.06 01:15:00 - [7]
 

So... You're complaining that a video game taking place in a fictitious universe set thousands of years in the future, and thousands of lightyears away from Earth, doesn't represent the current racial stereotypes adequately?

Jayce Haebdun
Posted - 2011.07.06 03:00:00 - [8]
 

Not to mention Asians CURRENTLY comprise 56.4% of the world population.

To be realistic, every EVE character should just be kind of beige.

Jose Black
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.07.06 09:06:00 - [9]
 

Well, you have the same choice as you did when you (in front of the screen) were born: You have to go with what you got.

As others mentioned already, EVE isn't the real world and doesn't try to be either. If you don't like the choices you get then you could choose not to play it at all.

EVE may not be the very definition of a role playing game, but still you play a role instead of yourself. You are playing a pod pilot after all. Check your neck irl if you got the connection sockets there Razz.

Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
Situation: Normal
Posted - 2011.07.06 09:28:00 - [10]
 

Eve is set in the year 400 bazillion[citation needed] at which point racial distribution has changed from what it currently is.

Just like how it has changed in the last 200 years.

There .. you can leave a poor attempt at political correctness at the door. I don't see what race or skin colour matters in a spaceships game. I have a number of characters, and they just work ... racial selection had nothing to do with the skin colour.

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.06 16:45:00 - [11]
 

I agree with your general sentiment Vinsaris, but could you have been just a tad more polite about it? It might get taken more seriously that way (that would surely be more enjoyable to read and respond to).

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.06 16:47:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Olvel
So... You're complaining that a video game taking place in a fictitious universe set thousands of years in the future, and thousands of lightyears away from Earth, doesn't represent the current racial stereotypes adequately?



No, I believe what he's saying is that the current state of the variety in skin tones is a bit like having only male avatars in the game to choose from.

Jitaalts Alt
Posted - 2011.07.06 17:42:00 - [13]
 

I am trying to remember so I could be wrong, but wasn't it relatively few people who jmped through the original Eve gate? And might those people just happened to have almost uniform racial lineage? I am surprised there is really any variance to speak of.

Crunac Arclight
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.07 21:27:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Jitaalts Alt
I am trying to remember so I could be wrong, but wasn't it relatively few people who jmped through the original Eve gate? And might those people just happened to have almost uniform racial lineage? I am surprised there is really any variance to speak of.


Well, according to EVE lore Humans were a space faring race that had settled so many worlds in our Milky Way that they started to run out of "space" so to speak.

Thats why New Eden was such a big deal. A whole new galaxy to explore that could lie several billions of lightyears from our own.

So I believe a lot of people jumped through in the beginning, several hundreds of thousands or even millions of people probably.

Sad thing is that only a few percent of those people survived when the EVE Gate malfunctioned.

So of the survivors, yeah maybe not all of the ethnical groups survived. Its not easy being on a airless hostile world when the power goes out and the foodlocker is empty. :)

Louis Khan
Posted - 2011.07.07 22:43:00 - [15]
 

Name one game that has a better character creator with more variety.

Pygmees and Inuit are also underrepresented. Crying shame that is.

Suprisingly, when a bunch of Icelandic programmers make a spaceship game the lily white avatars will tend to get a bit overrepresented as those are the only people they ever see in real life Razz

Also Dutch people are underrepresented when you look at their number of subscriptions, we need more tall blond people.

Okay I'm done trolling. Razz


Macks Artilius
Posted - 2011.07.07 23:00:00 - [16]
 

My Brutor looks Arabic.

That, or Klingon.

Ein Phantom
Posted - 2011.07.08 01:35:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Xercodo
btw every race has an Asian variant

Khanid / Achura / Jin-mei / Vherokior


Please stop calling only the variants with slanted or partially slanted eyes Asian. Do you realize that an entire Asian sub-continent has different classical facial features than anything you've named Asian? Only a few Indian border states have similar features, such as Arunachal.

The racism lies not with CCP, but with individuals like you.

Xercodo
Amarr
Xovoni Directorate
Posted - 2011.07.08 02:52:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Xercodo on 08/07/2011 02:52:29
Originally by: Ein Phantom
Originally by: Xercodo
btw every race has an Asian variant

Khanid / Achura / Jin-mei / Vherokior


Please stop calling only the variants with slanted or partially slanted eyes Asian. Do you realize that an entire Asian sub-continent has different classical facial features than anything you've named Asian? Only a few Indian border states have similar features, such as Arunachal.

The racism lies not with CCP, but with individuals like you.


im not stereo typing or over generalizing, they were made that way and intended to be that way by CCP... to be the Asian bloodlines

i guess you would have preferred "oriental"

if you don't want me to be broad liek that i could say that the Achura as a bit Japanese, the Jin-mei are a bit Chinese, the Khanid are a bit Mongolian and the Vherokior are a bit more Malaysian i guess, I'm no expert on the facial features but it's something like that

Kais N'ktal
Caldari
Ordos Humanitas
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.07.26 04:57:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Kais N''ktal on 26/07/2011 05:08:05
Am I the only person to have paid attention to this

"/troll on"

"/troll off"

Vinita Queen
Posted - 2011.07.26 07:01:00 - [20]
 

Hai Gai's. This thread sucks. Bai Gai's.

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2011.07.26 08:40:00 - [21]
 

Holly necromancy Batman!

Froz3nEcho Sarain
Posted - 2011.07.26 14:04:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Froz3nEcho Sarain on 26/07/2011 14:04:20
The only racists here are the people that actually look at the colour of someone's skin. Be it in a good way or a bad way. I didn't even notice that there were no black avatars in this game, I only saw different people.

Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.07.26 19:34:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Froz3nEcho Sarain
Edited by: Froz3nEcho Sarain on 26/07/2011 14:04:20
The only racists here are the people that actually look at the colour of someone's skin. Be it in a good way or a bad way. I didn't even notice that there were no black avatars in this game, I only saw different people.


:colbert:

Also, there are "black," avatars in the game. They're actually quite popular too, given they make up 1 in 12 possible avatar themes.

Marv Laffoon
Posted - 2011.07.26 19:37:00 - [24]
 

Watchoo talkin bout nig nog?

Ira Theos
Posted - 2011.07.27 01:24:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Marv Laffoon
Watchoo talkin bout nig nog?

**************

You realize you made me spit tea all over my monitor....

Dalloway Jones
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.07.27 06:15:00 - [26]
 

One of the Amarr bloodlines can be made with fairly dark skin and African decent features but I agree with the OP.

Actually I'm sure it has been talked about ad nauseam in the past but while the character generator in EVE is capable of making beautiful characters there amount of variation from the starting preset is fairly limited.

That is why all Gallente-Gallente males look like brothers, all two of the Amarr bloodline males look old and it is almost impossible to make them look youthful, etc.


Dracoliche
Stiff Pickle Collection Agency
Posted - 2011.07.27 06:47:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: foksieloy
Originally by: Vinsaris Rajalowe
And what a positive, progressive role model those Brutor present, eh?


Yes, yes we do.

Quote:
A martial, strong-willed people, the Brutor hold their tribal heritage close to their hearts. Strong advocates of transforming the Republic into a tribal-based government, they would love nothing more than for all seven of the Minmatar tribes to reunite as one nation. The Brutor are renowned for living regimented, disciplined lives. Despite presenting a tough, no-nonsense exterior, they are deeply introspective and "in the moment", aware of even the smallest detail. Immersed in ancient martial traditions that begin at childhood, they are physically robust individuals and intimidating to face in the flesh.



Woo buddy.
So I guess Brutor are a little more complex than hood rats who the OP seems to directly relate then.

It's all racist up in here.


 

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