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jackaloped
Posted - 2011.07.06 16:03:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: jackaloped on 06/07/2011 16:04:01
Edited by: jackaloped on 06/07/2011 16:03:43
Originally by: CCP Guard
Originally by: clixor
.... But...we'll still keep talking to you guys directly you know Wink


Back a over a year ago CCP zulu posted a blog that showed that only like 13% of the eve devs were working on "inspace" parts of the game. Incarna accounted for the lions share of the devs. 70 of them

Zulu's dev blog was a response to the many players who didn't really care about incarna yet found out through the csm that many of the inspace issues they were interested in such as low sec, sov, and fw were to be put on hold for 18 months.

Funky Bacon said this topic was brought up and the response was that there would be no more devs put on in space eve.

First can you confirm this is the case? And if it is how long will it take before a substantial number (say something like the 70 that worked on incarna) of eve devs are put back on inspace eve?

Thanks

CCP Manifest


C C P
Posted - 2011.07.06 16:41:00 - [32]
 

Recently added Gamereactor, EVE Radio and Massively.
The full list is here and I will add to it as coverage comes in.


CCP Manifest


C C P
Posted - 2011.07.06 17:00:00 - [33]
 

Hey, quick note. Decided to sticky this for a week instead of creating a new post to sticky since I'd already started indexing here. Enjoy the "fame" of stickydom, Dex Ironmind ;)

ProContractor
Caldari
Viagra Lovers
Posted - 2011.07.06 17:13:00 - [34]
 

Quote Gamereactor
" Note: CCP asked specifically that audio recordings of the press conference held yesterday would not be published. "

WHY ?

Ravcharas
GREY COUNCIL
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.07.06 17:23:00 - [35]
 


CCP Manifest


C C P
Posted - 2011.07.06 17:34:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: ProContractor
Quote Gamereactor
" Note: CCP asked specifically that audio recordings of the press conference held yesterday would not be published. "

WHY ?


Because we delayed previous requests for interview until the special CSM summit, we decided it was fairest to the journalists and fansites to allow them the interview time and for them to have a wider control over the coverage and how they wanted to frame it instead of just issuing a recording, which in many ways would trump the purpose of the event and wouldn't foster as much discussion or variety. Some places, like Massively, went straight for the verbatim (which seems like your type of thing), while others focused more on the atmosphere and dynamic.

I guess "press conference" may be a bit of a misnomer, as it was more like a "group interview" meant for those sites and podcasts. Of course they asked many questions on behalf of the playerbase and their own audiences, which is great, and hopefully the answers will benefit the playerbase at large.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.06 17:44:00 - [37]
 

I puked on my floor mid-presser, since apparently I thought taking vitamins on an empty stomach was a good idea.

I'm fond of the GamereactorUK and Tentonhammer coverage, personally.

Uagtd
Dissonance Corp
BLACK-MARK
Posted - 2011.07.06 17:49:00 - [38]
 

Looks like you guys are really working on the communication issues that came up after Incarna.

Nice to see this, keep it up!

Btw: The "Hangout" feature on Google+ is an exceptional good candidate for this kind of "group meetings" and press conference in the future. Check it out!

regards

Tobin Shalim
Eclipse Industrials
Quantum Forge
Posted - 2011.07.06 17:58:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Tobin Shalim on 06/07/2011 18:08:37
Feedback: (note, I've only read the Gamereactor article at this point)

I notice that we STILL don't have a direct answer to the big yellow question, just another evasive dodge, which leaves CCP the chance in the future to introduce pay-to-win items. Why do you guys find it so hard to just simply answer this question with "yes" or "no"? Also, no direct answer to if you would be introducing the ability in the future to buy ships/modules with Aurum, thus bypassing ISK and the playerbase altogether (although on this last one I might have missed a response denying this, or misunderstood a CCP statement, so please correct me if I'm wrong). Bad move CCP. You had many chances to put a stop to ALL of this crap early on by just saying "yes" or "no" and yet at every opportunity have chosen not to.

Addressing the Hilmar e-mail: good. While I understand that it would be very hard to get an apology from Hilmar being that he's the top guy at CCP, I am pleased to see that at least it was addressed instead of being swept under the rug, as so many people had claimed you were doing.

Edit:

Loving that CCP is still promising to fully explain the NeX stuff in a (hopefully) soon upcoming dev blog. I do look forward to seeing how the pricing structure is going to play out.

Trinneth
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.07.06 17:58:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Trinneth on 06/07/2011 17:59:19
EVE radio's reporting Zulu as saying that microtransactions for remaps "makes sense" - did he really say that, or did they misattribute something which was actually said by The Mittani?

Tammarr
Posted - 2011.07.06 18:05:00 - [41]
 

"They are always going to be there. It is not relevant on any level, in any democratic process what the lunatic fringe thinks. Just look at, in America, the Tea Party, the John Birch Society, or what have you. Any of these isolated movements, on the fringes, they are very loud, but they don’t actually impact sh*t. So, that’s pretty much my view of that.” -Mittani

this ^

the big yellow question, oh i think zulu explains it quite perfectly why they can never say never.


Frederick Yassavi
Posted - 2011.07.06 18:17:00 - [42]
 

I think it's unreasonable to expect Zulu to say that a company he works for will never, ever do something, even long after he's gone. It doesn't matter what it is. It's just something a person can't do without being dishonest or imprudent at some level.

But I think reasonable people with reading comprehension can see that he quite clearly understands the importance of the issue, and does indeed have a respect for the sandbox and how it works. That is enough for me.

Dex Ironmind
Posted - 2011.07.06 18:24:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Dex Ironmind on 06/07/2011 18:43:00


Originally by: CCP Manifest
Hey, quick note. Decided to sticky this for a week instead of creating a new post to sticky since I'd already started indexing here. Enjoy the "fame" of stickydom, Dex Ironmind ;)



ROFL. Thanks for making me... err... "famous" ... Manifest. That's funny stuff. Confused

TheMittani cracks me up. I just have to say, be thankful for the "Rally the Revolutionary" crowd bro. They are the gasoline on the fires that bring about events such as these. Mind you, I agree in that this one did not change anything significant at all. CCP has their direction for the game, but all of these RIOTS certainly add an interesting dynamic for a game.

The MAJOR thing CCP didn't address which I wish was addressed is CCP's focus. It seems that they are going to put less focus on EVE (their flagship) right now and more on DUST and WoD (their new offspring). As CCP Hammer said in the recent DEV Q&A thread...

GIGAR
Thre priorities after Incarna?
>> The three priorities for CCP after launching Incarna will be launching DUST 514, launching World of Darkness and continuing to improve on EVE.


I wish it weren't so. It even seems that the EVE development in terms of content will now be focused on INCARNA type stuff, which seems more bent on driving DUST than EVE. Notwithstanding Soundwave's team doing the small fixes they have been working on (which seemed to be making good with players - I certainly appreciated them), the focus is moving away from making a great in-space game (it seems now focused on an in-hanger game for some time to come)! Critical things like...

  • AGGRESSIVELY tackling the BOT issues (which are very much so game-breaking)

  • Working up new ships (not gold ones)

  • Giving us new and better ways to fly them as well as additional things to do in them (e.g., new missions, making low sec more attractive, fixing the bounty system, etc.)
  • Continuing to fix broken stuff, twink the UI and go after those small things


These should be the focus IMO.

I am also interested to hear whether or not these gold vanity ships can go boom!!??!! Monocles and such too should have a nice ring to them as they go BOOM also. If PLEX can go boom and drop in loot, so should these things. Make it so we can pluck a monocle off the corpse of some dead POD pilot and I am thinking this could be workable. This is EVE! Keep it HARDCORE or it ceases to be EVE and starts moving towards HELLO KITTY or BARBIE DOLLS ONLINE! That is part of the focus that has always been Eve. If these "VANITY" start getting special protection for their "VANITY" items, then that is a shift in focus for CCP.

Prove to us you guys are going to remain HARDCORE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j0EcYtO8cw)!!!

Just sayin'
Dex was here. Cool


Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.07.06 18:27:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Uagtd
Looks like you guys are really working on the communication issues that came up after Incarna.



if you've ever had a woman do you wrong, you'll notice the week before whatever she does she won't say crap to you

however the week after YOU FIND OUT about it, all she wants to do is talk to you and find out whats wrong and how she can make it all better again because she loves you blah blah blah

Wink

Jean Louie
Posted - 2011.07.06 18:41:00 - [45]
 

Is it just me or the way they were answering questions sounded extremely arrogant and dodgy?

DJ FunkyBacon
Eve Radio Corporation
Posted - 2011.07.06 18:53:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Jean Louie
Is it just me or the way they were answering questions sounded extremely arrogant and dodgy?



I didn't get that impression.

As for the quote mentioned earlier, I'll have a listen to that bit of the conference again and get more context for you bit he did in fact say it made sense. I has that written down in quotations.

Dex Ironmind
Posted - 2011.07.06 19:02:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Trinneth
Edited by: Trinneth on 06/07/2011 17:59:19
EVE radio's reporting Zulu as saying that microtransactions for remaps "makes sense" - did he really say that, or did they misattribute something which was actually said by The Mittani?


I didn't read that, however, when there is real money on the table, things like that will inevitably "make sense." It a FOCUS issue. AURUM takes the focus off of "the game" and puts it on the bottom line!

Case in point, could they not have added a whole new element of GAME PLAY by adding monocles, clothing and such to the manufacturing system in game. Now that would have been cool. But you see, they CHOSE to tie these vanity items to AURUM, which is clearly bottom line driven. GAME PLAY was sacrificed to the almighty AURUM in this case.

I expect to see more of that, not less of it as time moves on.

Frankly, the verdict is not in on MT's in game. Will then enhance the lifespan of a game or take away from it? Seems EVE is having a good run without MT's. How much of an effect will these items have on the game as a whole remains to be seen, but the prognosis is iffy at best.

Dex was here. Cool

Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2011.07.06 19:33:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: ProContractor
Quote Gamereactor
" Note: CCP asked specifically that audio recordings of the press conference held yesterday would not be published. "

WHY ?

This is a common thing in games journalism, and it's the same reason we record face-to-face interviews but type them up later. It provides each site with the opportunity to approach the topic in their own way, and to present the discussion in a more digestible format than an hour-long audio call. A lot of the sites present at the conference have put up some great editorial pieces on the recent issues following the conference, but if someone just livestreamed the call less people would care about those editorials. The questions at the press conference also really put Zulu and The Mittani on the spot, so there was a certain amount of making it up as they went along with answers. The responses are much easier to follow if cleaned up or if key quotes are framed in an editorial piece.

Since we already covered all the news leading up to this at Massively as it happened, and since I already did a huge editorial piece on it, I figured it'd be more beneficial to provide people with an interview-style transcript. It's essentially a typed up and cleaned up version of the raw audio, with as few words and sentences removed or changed as possible for the sake of brevity and written grammar. Hopefully that should provide as accurate a transcript of the meeting as you'll want and in a much more digestible form than raw audio.

I left out one question at the end (which The Mittani will probably hate me for) because at 5000 words the article was already having to be split into three parts and I didn't find most of that particular answer to be a constructive part of the discussion. The Mittani basically talked politics and called EVE forum-posters whiny little babies for about 10 minutes. If you're interested, MMORPG.com covered that part at the end of their feature and I'm sure The Mittani will confirm that we ARE all, in fact, whiny little babies Laughing.

Raging George
Caldari
Raging Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.06 19:38:00 - [49]
 

First, I apologize to CCP Soundwave for raging at him in an earlier post. I don't think he is a coward. I am sorry I wrote that about him.

Second to CCP or CSM, when are the May summit meeting minutes coming out and also the minutes from the emergency summit? I am more curious about the May minutes; there is plenty of info about the emergency summit already out.

Adamantor
Caldari
Legendary Knights
Vorpal's Edge
Posted - 2011.07.06 20:29:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: Adamantor on 06/07/2011 20:33:34
Originally by: Dex Ironmind
Edited by: Dex Ironmind on 06/07/2011 18:43:00


Originally by: CCP Manifest
Hey, quick note. Decided to sticky this for a week instead of creating a new post to sticky since I'd already started indexing here. Enjoy the "fame" of stickydom, Dex Ironmind ;)



ROFL. Thanks for making me... err... "famous" ... Manifest. That's funny stuff. Confused

TheMittani cracks me up. I just have to say, be thankful for the "Rally the Revolutionary" crowd bro. They are the gasoline on the fires that bring about events such as these. Mind you, I agree in that this one did not change anything significant at all. CCP has their direction for the game, but all of these RIOTS certainly add an interesting dynamic for a game.

The MAJOR thing CCP didn't address which I wish was addressed is CCP's focus. It seems that they are going to put less focus on EVE (their flagship) right now and more on DUST and WoD (their new offspring). As CCP Hammer said in the recent DEV Q&A thread...

GIGAR
Thre priorities after Incarna?
>> The three priorities for CCP after launching Incarna will be launching DUST 514, launching World of Darkness and continuing to improve on EVE.


I wish it weren't so. It even seems that the EVE development in terms of content will now be focused on INCARNA type stuff, which seems more bent on driving DUST than EVE. Notwithstanding Soundwave's team doing the small fixes they have been working on (which seemed to be making good with players - I certainly appreciated them), the focus is moving away from making a great in-space game (it seems now focused on an in-hanger game for some time to come)! Critical things like...

  • AGGRESSIVELY tackling the BOT issues (which are very much so game-breaking)

  • Working up new ships (not gold ones)

  • Giving us new and better ways to fly them as well as additional things to do in them (e.g., new missions, making low sec more attractive, fixing the bounty system, etc.)
  • Continuing to fix broken stuff, twink the UI and go after those small things


These should be the focus IMO.

I am also interested to hear whether or not these gold vanity ships can go boom!!??!! Monocles and such too should have a nice ring to them as they go BOOM also. If PLEX can go boom and drop in loot, so should these things. Make it so we can pluck a monocle off the corpse of some dead POD pilot and I am thinking this could be workable. This is EVE! Keep it HARDCORE or it ceases to be EVE and starts moving towards HELLO KITTY or BARBIE DOLLS ONLINE! That is part of the focus that has always been Eve. If these "VANITY" start getting special protection for their "VANITY" items, then that is a shift in focus for CCP.

Prove to us you guys are going to remain HARDCORE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j0EcYtO8cw)!!!

Just sayin'
Dex was here. Cool





QFT

Just consider the repercussions of CCP's alternate slogan Soften The **** UP or STFU Very Happy

Luna Lalune
Petals of Derketo
I'm SORRY GAWDAMMIT
Posted - 2011.07.06 20:30:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Luna Lalune on 06/07/2011 20:32:18
Here's my take on this whole debacle...

As a 2004 veteran, CEO and Alliance leader... I see this as much ado about absolutely nothing. I see this as a bunch of spoiled tweenagers crying over spilled milk. -EVERYONE- knows CCP will not ever be selling Titans on the NeX store. They won't be selling Vexors and they won't be selling Abaddon's either.

-EVERYONE- knows they'll be selling vanity items. Ship skins, clothing apparel. Not Tritanium and Maegacyte. The people that are vehemently against this sort of thing are doing it for this psychological reason:

-For that which a man covets most but can't have for himself... this becomes that which he hates the most.-

So, to say, the lion's share of people that are behaving like spoiled children over this are doing it for the exact same reasons they're doing it in Star Trek Online. That's because things cost real-life money and they can't afford them or they can't justify the purchase.

Just like with STO's virtual store, they sell vanity items and items that do not impact normal gameplay. There was a similar situation to this when Cryptic announced they were putting the Galaxy X on the C-store. There was much hoopla until people bought the ship and realized it was a purpose built steaming pile of manure. It was not the expected "SUPREME" pvp ship... and instead had about as much impact as a flash-frozen turd.

CCP is in the same boat and are surrounded by an angry, irrational mob who want to believe things that do not exist. They want to believe in doomsday scenarios which will never come to pass. People who believe in imaginary things cannot be appeased in reality. It is futile to even make the attempt.

This entire story has to do with nothing substantial at all. If some people honestly think the world's most brutal, in-your-face MMO will ever allow people to buy their way into power... then they really aren't EVE fans to begin with and the overall community is better off with their brisk departure.


Taz100420
Posted - 2011.07.06 21:56:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Luna Lalune


CCP is in the same boat and are surrounded by an angry, irrational mob who want to believe things that do not exist. They want to believe in doomsday scenarios which will never come to pass. People who believe in imaginary things cannot be appeased in reality. It is futile to even make the attempt.




Hmmmm means we have too many ppl that believe in Religion then huh?Razz

Morgan Polaris
Posted - 2011.07.06 22:24:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Luna Lalune
Edited by: Luna Lalune on 06/07/2011 20:32:18
Here's my take on this whole debacle...


If you're missing the point, at least have the decency to keep it to yourself.

The 'little kids' have been paying their subscription fees for the last few years, having seen only one empty expansion after another empty expansion bringing broken features and empty commitments, while the backlog has been growing. We've had the summer of rage last year, the result is this year's ONE ****ING ROOM. We know they're building two additional games, one of them releasing on a obsolete console by the time it comes out, the other possible even for a smaller niche than EVE is. Paid for by you, as a matter of fact.

Your beloved STO is just another example of microtransactions gone wrong. Re-allocation of skills, temporary SP boosts... nothing gameplay related? I've happen to played that game, and there's barely a month worth of gameplay in there, if even.

Truth is, and the so-called mob knows this, microtransactions barely work for vanity. Microtransaction are only successful in a mainstream environment, where instant gratification is key. These things just don't apply to the EVE sandbox.

So maybe it won't be a titan. Remember planet interaction, jokingly called CCP's version of Farmville? I guess whoever made the joke called it, spot on.

Luna Lalune
Petals of Derketo
I'm SORRY GAWDAMMIT
Posted - 2011.07.06 22:37:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Luna Lalune on 06/07/2011 22:44:52
Edited by: Luna Lalune on 06/07/2011 22:37:57
Originally by: Morgan Polaris
Originally by: Luna Lalune
Edited by: Luna Lalune on 06/07/2011 20:32:18
Here's my take on this whole debacle...


If you're missing the point, at least have the decency to keep it to yourself.

The 'little kids' have been paying their subscription fees for the last few years, having seen only one empty expansion after another empty expansion bringing broken features and empty commitments, while the backlog has been growing. We've had the summer of rage last year, the result is this year's ONE ****ING ROOM. We know they're building two additional games, one of them releasing on a obsolete console by the time it comes out, the other possible even for a smaller niche than EVE is. Paid for by you, as a matter of fact.

Your beloved STO is just another example of microtransactions gone wrong. Re-allocation of skills, temporary SP boosts... nothing gameplay related? I've happen to played that game, and there's barely a month worth of gameplay in there, if even.

Truth is, and the so-called mob knows this, microtransactions barely work for vanity. Microtransaction are only successful in a mainstream environment, where instant gratification is key. These things just don't apply to the EVE sandbox.

So maybe it won't be a titan. Remember planet interaction, jokingly called CCP's version of Farmville? I guess whoever made the joke called it, spot on.


I understand you're a simpleton. I'll try my best to describe why you only have "1 (expletive) room" in the expansion. Barbaric language aside, you have to understand something more here. EVE's avatar is the highest poly count, highest point of reference avatar in the history of PC gaming. PERIOD. It is ground breaking and is developed in stages in order to lay the foundation for future releases. But hey, to a simpleton who uses the English language like a barbarian... I can see how you might not be able to understand.

Now, tell me how much you paid for this expansion? Why do you feel so entitled to get any content above what you currently pay for?

And, lastly. I didn't miss the point. My post was directed directly at people like you who really shouldn't be playing MMORPGs in the first place. You have nothing redeeming to say and your pessimistic world view coupled with your disdain for everything MMO related tells me that you just don't like the genre.

STO makes more than double their money from subs every month from vanity purchases via optional micro-transactions. As others have said, the industry is going to this model. I suggest you get a job so you can afford it.

And, if you don't think the "walking in stations" portion of the upcoming release won't add a new layer of social depth to the EVE environment... then I don't know of any way you and I can converse. CCP is broadening EVE's appeal by increasing the potential subscriber base.

Vanity items are great for people who enjoy socializing and roleplaying amongst other things. I can't count how many people I know who have said, "Eww. EVE online... that one game where you are just a ship? That's stupid." Now, we'll have avatars, functional social hubs and an environment to expand into that doesn't include farming NPCs or camping gates.

One must be mindful that the world does not revolve around the whims of a single person. I and the overwhelming majority of players see these changes as a good thing (as evidenced by the majority of players who haven't quit). By nature, those who are complaining so loudly really are just a vocal unenlightened minority... that I fully agree with a certain CSM member who thinks that they should be ignored.

They never offer anything of substance. They don't offer anything redeeming to the game. They're social detractors and, at the end of the day, nobody would notice if they were in the game or not. They're a statistical null value when it comes down to it.

Like you.

DJ FunkyBacon
Eve Radio Corporation
Posted - 2011.07.06 22:51:00 - [55]
 

Here is the full quote, only with the "um"'s edited out.

Quote:
Q: Is there any information on the previous non-vanity MT suggestions in the past, such as 'PLEX' for remaps?
Are there currently any plans for any “non-NeX items or enhancements for EVE?

A: CCP Zulu – I mean, the plex for neural remap is something that we sort of held off, at least for a while after we posted the blog that got the reaction it got, and like I said, it's hard to define what's actually game breaking. I think doing the neural remap stuff, the design idea still has a lot of merit, whether the gating factor is Aurum or plex or isk, or time or whatever, the actual design behind it makes a lot of sense. There are similar ideas like that that we have discussed, but there's nothing in that vein that's actually in design that I know of.


I hope that clears up any confusion.

Morgan Polaris
Posted - 2011.07.06 23:10:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Luna Lalune
I understand you're a simpleton.


So, uhm, just summarizing here... you've attacked (what you think are) my language skills, demeanor, world view and gaming preference. Based on a few words, no less.

Yet making excuses to counter a few arguments?

Originally by: Luna Lalune
Now, we'll have avatars, functional social hubs and an environment to expand into that doesn't include farming NPCs or camping gates


So uhm, where's this game exactly?

Inipinipocoloco
Posted - 2011.07.06 23:17:00 - [57]
 

i just read the article on massivley and holy crap this guy writes about online games? honestly it looks like he got a dime from ccp to talk all the drama of the last weeks into a big fail.

which it wasn`t at all.

the eve community defended its game successfully from ccp introducing pay2win , it was their plan , we all read it

after gettin the hatehammer from the community suddenly nothing was ever planned lol, whatever - we, the community won and eve stays awesome

unless we need to get the torchen and pitchforks out again, which hopefully wont be necessary. but mates at ccp we watch what you do 8)

Tuggboat
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.07 00:06:00 - [58]
 

I got that our masters still think we are nothings, justs pests or less, mindless nuisances, resource sinks and only a few big alliance leaders are of any importance and that they get privy info as a matter of course. Null may even be ruled by developers.


Quote:

There is nothing wrong with your television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission. We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the image; make it flutter. We can change the focus to a soft blur or sharpen it to crystal clarity. For the next hour, sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear. We repeat: there is nothing wrong with your television set. You are about to participate in a great adventure. You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the inner mind to the outer limits.

Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.07 00:37:00 - [59]
 

Nice! Smile

handbanana
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.07 01:04:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Luna Lalune

Words...



If by "ground breaking" you actually mean ham-fisted, I can certainly agree.

Once the sheep realize they are being fleeced, they can either choose to like it, leave, or revolt, in that order.

So far, players are just drowning in the depth that CQ offers. I am a sadist, can I subscribe to your newsletter?


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