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Eblon Uitoh
Posted - 2011.07.05 19:11:00 - [31]
 

Its worth pointing out that otto here infact threatened to hack into CCP to get spinal wetstone's IP, find out where he lives. kill the griefer's(spinal's) family by burning down the house.

Im one of otto's corp mates, I was the guy that lost the 3 ibis.

Spinal wetstone has wardecced us over this for otto's head on a plate, and otto is now leaving the corporation.

Otto VonFaart
The Super Dimension Fortress Macross
Posted - 2011.07.05 19:17:00 - [32]
 

The victim here wasn't a "few weeks old" he was a few days old... the Griefer is named Spinal Wetstone his resume isn't all that impressive for someone who has been playing for a couple of years.

Otto

Jenna Nichols
Posted - 2011.07.05 19:24:00 - [33]
 

As a fairly new player it doesnít seem to make much sense to me to have some guy with two accounts show up with a battlecruiser and an Orca flip my can and fly off especially in .9 or 1.0 space. Really does put a buzzkill on the new EVE player enjoying the game and sticking around. As much as you tell people not to jetcan mine there are still lots of people who are going to until they are in a mining barge or have a partner with a hauler.

With that said three months out Iím having lots of fun, EVE is really a blast if you stick with it and Iím glad I did.

Reeper 2435
Posted - 2011.07.05 19:48:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Eblon Uitoh
Its worth pointing out that otto here infact threatened to hack into CCP to get spinal wetstone's IP, find out where he lives. kill the griefer's(spinal's) family by burning down the house.
...
Spinal wetstone has wardecced us over this for otto's head on a plate, and otto is now leaving the corporation.


First off, BAN STICKABLE. The EULA forbids threats etc.

Second off, this is a prime example of attitude that gets new folks in trouble. Most vets will help the new players out and have pity on them. But boiling rage, that's like sugar to the greifer bees. My advice, treat others as you would be treated. Griefers want tears. He will still likely GANK him a few times just out of spite to prove nobody is out of reach.

K'iran
Spirit of EVE
Posted - 2011.07.05 19:52:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Eblon Uitoh
Its worth pointing out that otto here infact threatened to hack into CCP to get spinal wetstone's IP, find out where he lives. kill the griefer's(spinal's) family by burning down the house.

Im one of otto's corp mates, I was the guy that lost the 3 ibis.

Spinal wetstone has wardecced us over this for otto's head on a plate, and otto is now leaving the corporation.


That's exactly the "bark more than you can bite, which gets you in trouble" thing I talked about. If that is actually what what happened then good luck to the OP, he'll need it.

Spinal Wetstone
Posted - 2011.07.05 20:22:00 - [36]
 

I really like playing this game, its one of the best games ever made, I enjoy showing people a trick or two, sometimes it involves losing a ship ''but I do not give tolerance :( '' to those who threaten other peoples families, and especially mine. I told my girlfriend and it upset her, so yes I will be informing CCP.

Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.05 20:35:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Otto VonFaart
The victim here wasn't a "few weeks old" he was a few days old... the Griefer is named Spinal Wetstone his resume isn't all that impressive for someone who has been playing for a couple of years.

Otto


The toon "spinal" is only half a year old...

Demon Azrakel
Gallente
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.07.05 22:57:00 - [38]
 

Honestly, while I do not think too highly of she skill involved, I have to admit that these "griefers" serve a useful purpose of teaching game mechanics (like can flipping) to new players before they lose a hulk to it. Also, they are the trial by fire that tells you that your newbie corp is **** and does not deserve to exist. By joining a player corp, you are hitting a button that says "feel free to wardec me". If your 15 man corp (with two experienced players apparently) can't fight off one guy in a drake (who most of us do not consider a super experienced player in an expensive ship), urdoinitrong. There us a great thread in GD where a corp that also needed to be put out of its misery was told countless times exactly how to respond to wardecs.

I know what you are saying (and you are saying it, saying it in a five-year-old's whining high pitched voice), "But I waannnttt to set taxes and organize pilots and work together and-and-and...", but what you fail to realize is that that whole "feel free to wardec me" and "jackasses can join and shoot you in corp" is kinda the risk for your desired award. Remember in EVE, nothing is free (Not even minerals you mine).

On can flipping, Concord gives you the option to shoot said player back, they never said it was a good idea. Then again, mining in an ibis is not a great idea either. Hell, he probably saved the pilot from dying of boredom.

Also, hoping whoever gave the RL threats gets banned, it is good to get those mentally unstable pilots out of the game as soon as possible.

Falgarra Uta
Posted - 2011.07.05 23:00:00 - [39]
 

Wow, OP, would you like some cheez with that whine? I am a complete noob and I know 1 not to use jetcans and 2 NOT to fire on someone who messed with them......

2nd "immunity" for any player, even a noob in a game like this is the wrong path to go. I have seen it RUIN games/PVP in games (Ultima Online) I am 100% against this and I don't PVP. It's the nature of the beast and you just need to deal with it and suck it up.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.07.05 23:31:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Otto VonFaart
The member called out on or Corp channel begging for help. He still had several jetcans that the griefer had not yet looted. I ran out in an unarmed Badger & collected the ore for the member.

Lesson to learn: teamwork is one of the keys to effective mining, and EVE in general.

Quote:
I responded rather rudely, telling him his actions were unconscionable & that he was an *sshole (among other vile euphemisms)

Now this jerk, who has a One Man Corp has War Dec'ed our noobie Corp.

Everything that happens in EVE, good or bad, is your own doing.

EVE is a harsh place. Some people will do anything to make you rage/cry/emo quit. If you can't tolerate that, then EVE might not be the game for you.

The whole situation could have been avoided, and you chose to escalate hostilities. You shouldn't be surprised you got wardec'd.

Next time:
1. Work together as a corp. Have one person hauling.
2. Never rage/cry/go emo. Nothing good ever comes of it. Remember it is just a game.
3. Consider every bad thing that happens to you as a learning experience.

I'd recommend that your corp spend a few nights hunting the Drake, even if you are all in rookie ships. Don't expect to win. Expect to learn combat tactics, how to work together, foster friendship, and even how to have fun in EVE.

Xercodo
Amarr
Xovoni Directorate
Posted - 2011.07.05 23:48:00 - [41]
 

Well since Eblon ins't really emo raging here ...(From his post he seem much more willing to "get over it" and this is conducive to a good living in EVE cause this kinda crap happens a lot no matter how old you are hehe)

I think it hilarious now that otto is getting beat in on considering how seriously he's taking things and the threats that Eblon has enlightened us to

I have half a mind to suicide gank him lol

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.07.06 00:09:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 06/07/2011 00:16:56

Originally by: Spinal Wetstone
I really like playing this game, its one of the best games ever made, I enjoy showing people a trick or two, sometimes it involves losing a ship ''but I do not give tolerance :( '' to those who threaten other peoples families, and especially mine. I told my girlfriend and it upset her, so yes I will be informing CCP.



Seems to me you're the one who is time and time again causing undue pain to new players. It's players like you that give this game a bad name.

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


Edit:
To all of you looking to suicide gank, can flip or just generally harass somebody, look me up in game, I'll be happy to oblige you.

Demon Azrakel
Gallente
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.07.06 00:24:00 - [43]
 

While I choose not to participate in such activities, I don't really disapprove of them. People like EVE and come to EVE for the cold, harsh universe, I don't see why that aspect of the game should not greet them at the door.

Olvel
Posted - 2011.07.06 01:19:00 - [44]
 

I'm not trying to sound like a **** here... But, honestly, I think this is a good thing. It acts as a nice filter to remove a lot of the types of players that I really don't want to be playing with.

The fact of the matter is that in EVE there's virtually no such thing as griefing. There's also no such thing as non-consensual PvP. If you undock, you've consented to PvP.

If you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it. If you talk smack, you sure as hell better be able to back it up. And if you can't handle that, go find another game.

EVE really isn't that cruel and unforgiving. There are a lot of very friendly, very helpful people out there.

Otto VonFaart
The Super Dimension Fortress Macross
Posted - 2011.07.06 01:44:00 - [45]
 

Here's the sort of Noobie killer Spinal Wetstone is... note he seems to only kill noobs. He only picks fights in HiSec zones.

Your basic bully boy... "I don't give tolerance."

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Spinal+Wetstone&page=1#kills

Blah Azrakel
Posted - 2011.07.06 02:13:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Otto VonFaart
Here's the sort of Noobie killer Spinal Wetstone is... note he seems to only kill noobs. He only picks fights in HiSec zones.

Your basic bully boy... "I don't give tolerance."

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Spinal+Wetstone&page=1#kills


So? You have yet to convince many of us that this is a bad thing.

Demon Azrakel
Gallente
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.07.06 02:15:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Blah Azrakel
Originally by: Otto VonFaart
Here's the sort of Noobie killer Spinal Wetstone is... note he seems to only kill noobs. He only picks fights in HiSec zones.

Your basic bully boy... "I don't give tolerance."

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Spinal+Wetstone&page=1#kills


So? You have yet to convince many of us that this is a bad thing.


Derp, posted with my alt

K'iran
Spirit of EVE
Posted - 2011.07.06 02:44:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: K''iran on 06/07/2011 02:48:05
Killing high sec folks is a fine and profitable pass time, especially if they take the moral high ground. It's also funny how those more intelligent uber beings (as they don't do lowly pvp, remember} resort to name calling and RL threats, stuff like that. It happens a lot.

a: why did you kill me!
b: why not
a: I don't pvp, I'm too smart for it, pvp is for idiots. Also you are scum irl because you killed people in a pvp game. SCUUUUM!
b: well, your "intelligence" didn't keep you alive, now did it?
a: because I don't pvp and don't kill people in high sec I take the moral high ground and am just a better person irl!
a: also, I'm going to get your IP, burn your house down and kill you with an axe!
b: so who's scum now?


Textbook, it happens more than you think, the thin veneer of decency these high sec carebears have quickly erodes away and shows their true nature... it's astounding.

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.07.06 02:52:00 - [49]
 

Otto,

I'd imagine 40-60% of all eve players have experienced exactly what you have here. Let me be clear about a few things, in EVE a corp is NOT a guild, in games like WOW or EQ you want to get in a guide ASAP ... not in eve. Being in an npc corp has advantages, so much so, that CCP raised their tax rate to encourage people to leave them in time. NPC corps are immune to war decs, so the only threat you have is suicide ganking and honestly, everyone faces that fact, so it is a base level worry.

When I stated we all formed our own corp, all newbs, we were dec'ed for what seemed like weeks, and it sucked, every time we tried to fight, we got toasted, and when we'd start to win, the guy would warp off. Then as one of us went back to life was normal, we'd get popped...

Your really need to adjust your paradigm here, and I hate to be so blunt, but the guy who invited new players into a corp is largely to blame, as if you can't protect them, don't invite them. He set you up to fail.

If you and your buddy REALLY want to "jet" can mine, then have one of you get an industrial ship, slap a mining laser on it, and mine side by side, while scooping up his ore as he jets it. It works for CCP Fallout.

best of luck and feel free to contact me in game with any eve questions!

AG

Maverick2011
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.06 02:57:00 - [50]
 

The WORST THING a newbie can do is to join a hisec corp with other newbies. EVE is all about griefing. If you dont leave that dead corp of yours and switch to a NPC corp TILL YOU ARE WILLING TO ENGAGE IN PVP then you are doomed.

I warned you. Leave your corp and stay in a NPC corp. This game isn't wow where you benefit from guilds right from the start. Newbie corps are magnets to griefers and your life will be hell in them.

Leave your newbie corp and join a NPC corp till you want to bother with PVP. Thres no other solution, unless a veteran corp with many 2+ year dudes accepts you.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.07.06 03:23:00 - [51]
 

Otto VonFaart, don't pay any attention to these trolls. They obviously don't have any morals and don't know the meaning of the words 'Good Sportsmanship'. If so, they'd test their skills out on players who have plenty of skills and can fight back.

I've had 12 different players try to suicide gank me over the years, most of the time I was in my Rifter (Tech 1 Frigate), a couple of times while in a Transport ship. Even had 2 of them try at the same time. All of them failed and was concorded promptly. I laughed at them in local and also sent them lol mail.

The best thing you can do is train up your defensive skills and fit up a good tank. As long as you're in high security, Big Brother (Concord) will take care of any attackers who try to suicide gank you.

Now for the WarDec, leave the corp till it's over, then rejoin again if you want, lot's of players do that whenever a WarDec is happening. As for the Mining situation, I've already addressed that in a previous reply.

In these Forums there are lot's of players who post and try to make themselves out to be the voice of Eve. They don't speak for the majority. By the way, the reply listing the starter systems is incomplete. The starter systems also include the Career Agent systems.

CCP doesn't like older players pulling tricks to gank new players. They have a low tolerance for Griefing new players. If petitioned by enough players, it will result in disciplinary action against the griefer. However those petitions should be substantiated with time, date and facts.

Bottom line:
Eve is a great big Ocean filled with all different types and sizes of sea life. You and your corp members are like a pack of Dolphins and the guy who WarDec your corp is a lonely Shark. Just remember that a Shark will run away from a pack of Dolphins.


Otto VonFaart
The Super Dimension Fortress Macross
Posted - 2011.07.06 04:32:00 - [52]
 

I'd like you all, emphasis all, to know how much your collective responses are appreciated... It seems some of you like or at least tolerate some degree of grief play, others revel in in & others dislike it intensely.

Generally, for me the issue is one of sportsmanship & a sense of fair play. I don't have a clue what kind of people get their jollies ambushing defenseless noobs/. There's no challenge. It's bully boy tactics plain & simple.

That being said, this has been a learning experience. I've been told that the game rewards patience. Guess I should learn to be a bit more patient. Regarding advice that begins "the worst or best thing a noobie can do is" - well if noobies knew that stuff from the start we wouldn't be clueless enough to get goaded into shooting at griefers or giving them an excuse to start a war with our Noob Corp. That sort of advice is good to reflect on after the fact, when you sit and wonder what the heck went wrong in a given scenario.

As for some of you others who apparently think being a bully is ok because the game permits it... Go and get a job with Homeland Security or TSA. You're probably a perfect fit for the job of feeling up grandma at the airport!

Ard UnjiiGo
Meatshield Bastards
Posted - 2011.07.06 06:23:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Otto VonFaart


As for some of you others who apparently think being a bully is ok because the game permits it... Go and get a job with Homeland Security or TSA. You're probably a perfect fit for the job of feeling up grandma at the airport!


I smell troll.

Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.07.06 07:12:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Otto VonFaart
I'd like you all, emphasis all, to know how much your collective responses are appreciated... It seems some of you like or at least tolerate some degree of grief play, others revel in in & others dislike it intensely.

Generally, for me the issue is one of sportsmanship & a sense of fair play. I don't have a clue what kind of people get their jollies ambushing defenseless noobs/. There's no challenge. It's bully boy tactics plain & simple.

That being said, this has been a learning experience. I've been told that the game rewards patience. Guess I should learn to be a bit more patient. Regarding advice that begins "the worst or best thing a noobie can do is" - well if noobies knew that stuff from the start we wouldn't be clueless enough to get goaded into shooting at griefers or giving them an excuse to start a war with our Noob Corp. That sort of advice is good to reflect on after the fact, when you sit and wonder what the heck went wrong in a given scenario.

As for some of you others who apparently think being a bully is ok because the game permits it... Go and get a job with Homeland Security or TSA. You're probably a perfect fit for the job of feeling up grandma at the airport!


Hint 1 it's a GAME. not real life, the only thing harmed by the flipper was pixels. Hint 2 this ain't samarai's in space, your e-bushido is just going to make you a miserable victim.

This is simulated war and not a dueling simulator. There is a saying in EVE that a Fair fight means someone made a mistake.

That said threatening someone in real life over something that takes place in a game is just sad. Sad because if you are too inept to get this game then you are likely too inept to hunt anyone down anyway, and even if you did the fact that you can't stand up for yourself in a video GAME suggests that you aren't likely to stand up to anyone when you are face to face with them.

I was tempted at first to hunt ole Spinal down and dec his corp with an alt he's only a couple systems from where they are based. But, honestly after reading the nonsense you've written I'd rather hunt you down and pod you myself.

It was a noob ship for crying out loud they give you one every time you dock a pod in a station you don't have a ship in. Hell I got dozens of the damned things scattered round the 'verse. If someone can't take losing a newb ship you sure the hell ain't got the mentality for this game.

I've had close to 5 billion in ships shot out from under me at this point (just on this character) and I did that mostly in T1 frigs and cruisers (which should give some clue on how much asplodin it took to make that happen, 266 according to Battleclinic).

It's kind of the whole point of the friggin game. It's what gives it vitality and life. The dark aspect is what separates this game from all the rest.

If you somehow manage to avoid the permaban stick I suggest you check your attitude because you won't last in this game.

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2011.07.06 07:17:00 - [55]
 

Playing to win > Good sportsmanship.

Toshiro GreyHawk
Posted - 2011.07.06 08:06:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Ard UnjiiGo
Originally by: Otto VonFaart


As for some of you others who apparently think being a bully is ok because the game permits it... Go and get a job with Homeland Security or TSA. You're probably a perfect fit for the job of feeling up grandma at the airport!


I smell troll.



Finally ...


Mia Yazria
Posted - 2011.07.06 11:00:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Mia Yazria on 06/07/2011 11:05:44
not sure if it was said before.

eve is all about 100% paranoia, expect everything everytime everywhere. the earlier you learn this, the better ;)

i got can flipped once and then looked for a way to avoid this form of griefing.

and eve has one, secure containers.

what you need:

skill anchoring lvl 1

a giant secure container or a few, i wouldnt bother with the smaller ones, because they are... well small.
not exactly sure about the costs right now but by doing the tutorial missions you will easily get enough cash to buy a bunch

a industrial ship and the required skill to fly it,
as the other ships don't have the neccessery cargo size to transport a GSC.
for example, the amarr sigil slotted with expand cargohold II can carry three GSC.

one GSC can hold 3900m≥, but the GSC itself only takes up 3000m≥, so on top of being secure, the SC's even have a built in storage compressor.

once you have the skill and a GSC, head to your location of interest and launch the container. note: there are two ways, once for yourself and once for corp - it determines who gets the right to anchor/unanchor the container.

after launching, right click it and set a password. if its the first time you set the password, then leave the old password field empty. then anchor it, it takes up to a minute to complete.

setting a password will ask for the password if another players attempts to open the container.
anchoring will fix the container at its location, so it can not be taken by anyone unless being unanchored first.
the owner of the container should also be asked to enter the password after each login, but i rarely ever have to enter a password. i guess its a bug, but the GSC should still be secure against other players accessing it.

now once its set up, open the GSC, and now you can start mining, once your ship's cargo is full, move stuff over to the GSC until its full, and pick stuff up later with your industrial.
you can go the lazy way and just rightclick GSC > scoop in your cargo, this will net you the additional 900m≥ cargohold per GSC, however you will have to unanchor it first and wait until this process completes for each container.
but you can also leave them in place and use them as personal stationary hangar space, then you won't have to go through the process of reanchoring it everytime.

a few things to keep in mind:
-a container without password can be opened by anyone
-a container with a password can be hacked by guessing the password.
-a container with a password can be repackaged at a station (it will reset the password and unload its contents)
-an unanchored container can be taken by anyone (they wont be able to open it without knowing the password, or repacking the GSC at a station)
-an unanchored container will expire after 2 hours, like wrecks and normal cargo containers.
-an anchored container will expire after 30 days without being accessed, and will be removed during daily maintance.

so you want to make sure to
a) set a password asap, i adivce to take a random password with chars and numbers which can not be guessed. put a sticky note on your monitor or use a password database, i recommend keepass or 1password.
b) don't launch or unanchor your GSC if there are unknown vessels in your vicinity, as the process to anchor/unanchor takes some time to complete, wherein your container remains unsecured in space.
c) make sure to access your container at least every 4 weeks to keep it from expiring.

Hakkar'al Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.06 11:11:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Otto VonFaart

Suggestions to "just get over it" aren't good enough.


HTFU - Check who published this
If you can't take it - then EVE isn't the game for you.

Originally by: Otto VonFaart

Some of us have very limited patience with *ssholes. I am one of them.



EVE is full of them, deal with it.
That said, I'll post my fav system, Artisine, where I've *never* have been can flipped - again - for an obvious reason. And 1 war decer out of 5 or even find me out there. YARRRR!!


Disastro
Wrecking Shots
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.07.06 11:34:00 - [59]
 

Obviously, as a former can flipper, I have little sympathy. Jet can mining invites can flipping. But i have a question here which might be relevant to this situation. Was the ibis mining in a starter system?

Can flipping in a starter system is specifically prohibited by ccp and can result in the offender being banned (after warnings are issued). That is really the only protection a new player to eve gets. If he stays in the starter areas he is protected a little. Otherwise he is fair game like anyone else.


As for the war dec thing....lol whatever. War decs are a joke. Just ride it out for a week or two and the dude will get bored. Dont give him any kills and he will move on like every other griefer does.

Spinal Wetstone
Posted - 2011.07.06 11:56:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Spinal Wetstone on 06/07/2011 11:57:47
otto here is forgetting to mention that he owes me a fair bit of ISK, I wanted to help him out as a new player to this amazing game that is eve online.

After asking it back, he refused and threatened to murder my family,

here is the log chat for LOCAL

(local chat)[ 2011.07.03 03:48:30 ] Otto VonFaart > Spinal, the only thing I promised you is that I am going to find out who you actually are, come and visit you in person with a gun... but maybe I'll just burn your house down with you in it... maybe kill your family too. You ****ed with the wrong guy *******

(local chat) [ 2011.07.03 03:54:10 ] Otto VonFaart > cuz now you got an old, tired former USMC Viet Nam vet all ****ed off at you. And burning down houses with people in 'em is something I have lots of experience with

[ 2011.07.03 03:27:23 ]
Otto VonFaart > pal, the last lawyer that threatened to sue me had a terrible fire at his office... he almost survived.


Lets make it publically known ottoCool


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