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TomHorn
Caldari
Horn and Brothers
Posted - 2011.07.04 13:06:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: TomHorn on 06/07/2011 23:27:58
Hello my friends, once again i come here offering you a bond.

3.5bill isk at 3% a month no collaterall. for 3 months

Ever since i joined Eve and found the forums this was the place ive hung around the most, and have tried to break into the MD community but always failed.

Now i try once more.

When i joined eve i wasnt sure what to do , i hit the mining belts but i soon decided to become a trader. I also decided to become hauler and trained up the skills.

I also joined up with the poker community, where i eventulally worked with 3 different poker rooms as a banker.

Eve online hold'em , "Tempest" near the end i helped out krestin before it closed and , worked with some italians at denovo's for short period.

I mention the poker only to let you know that i have held public isk and not stolen it before, and i dont intend to steal the isk from this bond.

I worked at Eve online hold'em the longest ,i cant honestly remeber how long i worked therefore , im sure it was well over year.

Started out in the low stakes holdem channel they had at the time worked my way to high stakes banker. Once you got there you were holding larges sums of public isk everyday. Taking in the buyins paying out taking in new money for the new games coming up and paying out again.When i was high stakes banker ring games just comeout also and back then they were manually put into the customers account. You were getting isk for tounrnaments cash games alot of isk being handled.

Some of you may have played there and may know me from there as being banker there.

Now one thing that was different about me was that selene never asked me for any collaterall.

Now i mention that so that may give you some faith in me if you are thinking of investing.

The reason for the bond is just to try and break into the MD bond communtity and gain some trust here. And so that if i ever need to get much larger amounts of isk there maybe be a chance it will be possible by having run some smaller succesful bonds.

Isk will be used for station trading

March rabbit invested 3.5bill isk

interest to be paid on the 6th of every month bond ends 6 October

Jackuu Bauwaah
Posted - 2011.07.04 13:21:00 - [2]
 

Are you beeing serius?

TomHorn
Caldari
Horn and Brothers
Posted - 2011.07.04 13:35:00 - [3]
 

Im totaly serious Jack. Im Man of my word Jack.

Last time i came here i was looking for 15bill with 50% collaterall. I was told way to big for a 1st offering scaled right back.

This 3.5bill isk chump change for me , but im just trying to get started here.

Im hoping my long standing record of holding large amounts of public isk in the poker rooms ive worked for will work for me, in getting this bond up and running.


Tekota
The Freighter Factory
Posted - 2011.07.04 14:18:00 - [4]
 

Personally tend to be a little wary of folks I suspect to be using a first offering as a trust building exercise (suspicious of building up to a bigger offering later with which to do a runner). That you've been open that this is merely a trust building exercise and 3.5bn is chump change, well it gives you points for honesty but still leaves us with the situation that this bond is issued not because it's needed for your operations but purely for you to demonstrate that you pay back X billion to enable you to request Y billions later.

Apologies if that sounded overly accusatory, just outlining a thought process.

The other issue I'd personally have would be the interest rate. 3% just doesn't fit my risk/reward profile, especially for a un-collateralised offering. To be frank, even with a 100% collateral backed offering I'd have trouble justifying 3% as I feel I can do significantly better than that if the cash just stayed in my wallet. That's not to say others are in the same position however.

TomHorn
Caldari
Horn and Brothers
Posted - 2011.07.04 15:13:00 - [5]
 

You make some good points tekota and i agree with them myself.

I have an idea for an ipo that id like to run. Now im going to try and fund it myself , i havent got all the isk i need yet but i may or may not offer some of it here to the MD, to help me get the final isk i need. But im not 100 percent sure i will do that yet.

The other option is just to get all the isk myself run privately. Im still away off yet and im not in any great rush im just plodding along.

Im trading at the minute and ive got plenty of isk to do the kind of trading im doing at the moment and that isnt going to change for the moment . Just taking my time.

I agree with you about 3% but bond offering are low interest rates at the minute dont see why it should be any different for me. Now ive got very good record of handling public isk not here in the MD but if you look at it its as good as many if not better than the big bond holders in here at the minute

Now what im not going to do is comeback here in 3 months and ask for 7billion isk then 3months later ask for 15billion isk.

But what i will do more than likely is offer the exact same bond again 3.5bill at 3% for 3months and then when that finishes maybe offer it again.

All im trying to do is break into the MD bond market. Small end for now. Just build up little bit of trust.

My idea for my ipo is to run it myself and not offer it to the MD thats the way im thinking at the moment.
But thats still way in the future another year or 1.5 years away.

Im just plodding along not in any rush


Slavemaster
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:45:00 - [6]
 

3% vs the risk, no thx

TomHorn
Caldari
Horn and Brothers
Posted - 2011.07.05 10:30:00 - [7]
 

Bump still looking for investors.

When you look into my background you relise there is no risk when you deal with me.


Krythas
Posted - 2011.07.05 13:42:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: TomHorn
Bump still looking for investors.

When you look into my background you relise there is no risk when you deal with me.



And statements like this show just how little you understand. There is always risk.

Atima
Minmatar
House of Marbles
Posted - 2011.07.05 13:48:00 - [9]
 

I've dealt with tom ingame before and always found him respectable. Although it does puzzle me why he would seek public funds, I wouldn't pin him as a scamming type. Not for 3.5bn anyway.

Then again we haven't spoken for around two years =). He was working at EOH then and I believe still is now.

From what I remember he and twizzle were in the running to take over Atima Industries also.

TomHorn
Caldari
Horn and Brothers
Posted - 2011.07.05 20:46:00 - [10]
 

I know myself better than anyone else krythas and i know i aint going to steal/scam this bond isk im asking for.

Now i just need some investors to break into the low end bond market to prove that when you invest with me there is no risk.


I agree until your bond or ipo you invest in finishes and you get your capital back and your interest, as an investor your always probably have some shadow of doubt, no matter what the person has done or said in the past.

Thankyou for the kind words Atima

OllieNorth
Gallente
R-K Industries
Posted - 2011.07.05 22:23:00 - [11]
 

For an uncollateralized loan, especially above 1 bil, you should really be putting up a return closer to 10%. Referring to it as what is basically a blatant rep-grind doesn't help. We (at least I) would like to see a little more dedication towards the bond, see that it is something you are interested in, especially in the wonderful paranoidarama that is MD now.

TomHorn
Caldari
Horn and Brothers
Posted - 2011.07.06 00:43:00 - [12]
 

Quote:
For an uncollateralized loan, especially above 1 bil, you should really be putting up a return closer to 10%. Referring to it as what is basically a blatant rep-grind doesn't help. We (at least I) would like to see a little more dedication towards the bond, see that it is something you are interested in, especially in the wonderful paranoidarama that is MD now


I disagree with you Ollie. Bond rates are very low at the moment 3% or 4% average. Alot of bond isk going at lot lower than those rates at the moment just over 1% some.

Highest rate ive seen for a while was Liberty very generous 14%.

Maybe this is where scammers might target next to steal isk . Spot the really low bond rates at the moment and not offer over generous rates like Liberty but like what used to be offered 6,7 or 8%

Uncollateralized because im trying to use my past for handling public isk previously for well over year. On daily basis i was handling 2bill isk very quiet day at most up to about 15bill isk on very busy days at anyone time when you get 4 or 5 of the high rollers in of uncollaterized isk. Setting up poker games.

I think that should earn me a little trust.

I think what im offering is fair. The rate is alot better than some bonds out there. And your dealing with someone with a proven history of being honest.

I respect your opinion Ollie its only the second day here and im going to wait little longer to see if anyone maybe interested before i make any amendments to try and get my 1st bond up and running

trance atlas
Posted - 2011.07.06 00:46:00 - [13]
 

3.5%

3.5% interest with collateral vs

your bond with no collateral

TomHorn
Caldari
Horn and Brothers
Posted - 2011.07.06 00:51:00 - [14]
 

Im sticking to my gunzs for now trance, i aint saying there aint better deals than mine.

But mine is also better than some others

Serene Python
Posted - 2011.07.06 06:55:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Serene Python on 06/07/2011 06:57:52
First problem... You already admitted this is MD rep grind. While honest, it's also going to present a handicap.

Originally by: TomHorn
I know myself better than anyone else krythas and i know i aint going to steal/scam this bond isk im asking for.



I vaguely remember just recently posting in a thread where some person tried saying we could take them on their word... Maybe you could go back and see how that turned out since I can't remember so well right now...

Originally by: TomHorn
Bump still looking for investors.

When you look into my background you relise there is no risk when you deal with me.




Yeah when we look at the background of previous people who scammed, they also appeared to have 'no risk', least not enough to set off large alarms.

Quote:
I disagree with you Ollie. Bond rates are very low at the moment 3% or 4% average. Alot of bond isk going at lot lower than those rates at the moment just over 1% some.


You've also neglected they've either already earned the trust of MD and/or have proper collateral.


Originally by: TomHorn
Im sticking to my gunzs for now trance, i aint saying there aint better deals than mine.

But mine is also better than some others



Mind linking to some of these worse offers that have been successful? You've got ...

1. Admitted rep. grind
2. No collateral
3. Telling us to take you on your word
4. Bad interest rate for risk.


I haven't verified myself your claims of actually being a banker at EOH, nor intend to, but that is the past. You may not even care any more about going back into something that could require your reputation of trust so you wouldn't have any issue of throwing that away one day. Again, I wouldn't mind seeing a worse thread than this that succeeded that hard 5+ things that might set off alarms. I'm probably missing points but those 4 are what instantly popped out to me.

P.S. "I wouldn't mind seeing a worse thread" that is reading back to me as a much more a-hole choice of words than was intended. I by all means meant it in a 'friendly' sense and not completely insulting your thread. It was a genuine invitation for you to link to previous successful threads that are worse than what you've got so far.

TomHorn
Caldari
Horn and Brothers
Posted - 2011.07.06 10:52:00 - [16]
 

Quote:
First problem... You already admitted this is MD rep grind. While honest, it's also going to present a handicap.


That just the way things have to be done here Serene. Got along history of dealing with larger somes of isk than this uncollaterized. Here in MD they like you to start small work your way up. For now im just thinking of running some small bonds hopefully this will be my 1st. Maybe its still to big for a 1st offering for me. After week if there is still no interest ill think about reducing the size down.


Quote:
I vaguely remember just recently posting in a thread where some person tried saying we could take them on their word... Maybe you could go back and see how that turned out since I can't remember so well right now


No offence Serene but i dont think ill bother. Thats them this is me. When someone decided to invest in me they will find out i keep my word

Quote:
Mind linking to some of these worse offers that have been successful? You've got ...


No offence i aint going to link stuff for you. Take look for yourself and youll see that the interest rate im offering is not the worst alot of isk in bonds at alot lower rate than this.

1. Admitted rep. grind
2. No collateral
3. Telling us to take you on your word
4. Bad interest rate for risk.

1. Not big fan of this term. This is something that MD has created you have to do to get on in here. Then they will also use it against you.

2. Long history of dealing large sums of isk uncollaterized ranging from 2bill to 15bill isk a day

3. Yes

4 Competetive interest rate with other Bonds out there at the moment.

Still looking for investors bump

Nikki West
Posted - 2011.07.06 11:29:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Nikki West on 06/07/2011 11:32:33
Originally by: Serene Python

1. Admitted rep. grind
Originally by: TomHorn

1. Not big fan of this term. This is something that MD has created you have to do to get on in here. Then they will also use it against you.




There is a difference between an offering that has some purpose and one that is only there for grinding the reputation (which you admit to). Why drag it out for 3 months then?

Secondly, if 3.5B is pocket change for you why don't you come up with a little more enthusiastic plan? Try to raise more capital but offer appropriate collateral.


Edit:
Originally by: TomHorn

4 Competetive interest rate with other Bonds out there at the moment.


3% for an uncollateralized offering is in no way competitive.

TomHorn
Caldari
Horn and Brothers
Posted - 2011.07.06 12:25:00 - [18]
 

Quote:
There is a difference between an offering that has some purpose and one that is only there for grinding the reputation (which you admit to). Why drag it out for 3 months then?

Secondly, if 3.5B is pocket change for you why don't you come up with a little more enthusiastic plan? Try to raise more capital but offer appropriate collateral.


I have no need for more capital. Sometime in the future maybe 1 year to 2 years down the line i might come here looking for larger sum of isk 7bill or 10bill or 15bill. Im just planning head, rather than come here then and be turned away and told to start smaller. Have to run small bonds for 6months to year before getting the isk i want right there and then im just planning to do little work now for something that may not even happen in the future.

So im just offering some small bonds to investors to make some isk for them which im happy to do , in return haveing run these bonds now may help me in the future.

Quote:
3% for an uncollateralized offering is in no way competitive


I have reputation for being honest, and have handled uncollaterized public isk everyday for somewhwere around 1.5years. Now i know that reputation was not earned here in The MD but in the poker community, but its fact.

And you may not like that or want to give me any credit for that but im going to use that fact to try and get uncollaerized bond and 3% is a competeive rate for bonds in MD at the moment.

Now we all know there alot of surplus isk in wallets doing nothing those are my potential investors hopefully. I hope they will look at the facts here trust me and i will repay there trust with some interest and capital back at the end of the bond.

When this bond finishes i will run another for same terms and hopefully we can do business again

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.07.06 12:42:00 - [19]
 

Several points of interest. The OP:

- Does not seem to know that the market and NOT him has the right to judge his interest rate vs the risk. Which as frequent investor I find it has an insulting ratio.

- Does play the "former rep" card.

- Does play the "to get started => rep" card.

- Does play the "low risk" card (and ofc. no collateral).

- Shows a quite underwhelming prospectus.

- Says he's got plenty of money and does not really need to start the investment.


Anything else before someone less educate than me tells you about the quality of this investment?

Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2011.07.06 13:58:00 - [20]
 

TomHorn:

We the MD elite regret to inform you that your repeated attempts to get a bond have effectively ruined your ability to do so, as any future bond offer will have prior attempts referenced in that thread and the concerns voiced in those threads are likely to be parroted in new threads.

Please be advised that this letter in no way, shape, or form constitutes a binding contract and is for informational purposes only.

Sincerely,

Dethmourne Silvermane
Support Specialist, MD Elite

Serene Python
Posted - 2011.07.06 14:01:00 - [21]
 

Quote:
After week if there is still no interest ill think about reducing the size down.


It's not the size that matters, it's you offering a horrible interest rate on something uncollateralized.

Quote:
No offence Serene but i dont think ill bother. Thats them this is me. When someone decided to invest in me they will find out i keep my word


I was half expecting you to know what thread I was talking about since I feel there is an implication you actually read threads here due to saying there are worse threads... It was me still slightly poking fun at them Laughing

Quote:
No offence i aint going to link stuff for you. Take look for yourself and youll see that the interest rate im offering is not the worst alot of isk in bonds at alot lower rate than this.


You see... that's my problem, I don't recall seeing a single thread succeed from a person who doesn't have the rep to rip investors off like this. I'm starting to doubt how valuable that rep. of yours from poker really is considering there hasn't been any offerings yet. From what I've seen 10% is the right area to go about with these uncollateralized loans, and depending on the amount and person requesting will need an audit.

As someone else already said here, if 3.5bn isn't a lot to you, buy a few capital BPOs and toss those around as collateral.

In regards to you adressing the issues I pointed out... I'll let the other vultures tear at that except for...
Quote:
Long history of dealing large sums of isk uncollaterized ranging from 2bill to 15bill isk a day


NeutralNeutral You can't be serious? That was some time ago, this clearly isn't increasing your chances here. I'm not going to dig up any links or play e-detective cause even if I was an investor there's too many things here already that turn me off, however I wouldn't mind seeing some viable proof of you holding these large sums of isk cause I'm starting to have my doubts this even exists but I'm a pessimistic person by default Smile

TomHorn
Caldari
Horn and Brothers
Posted - 2011.07.06 15:39:00 - [22]
 

VV this my bond ill decide the rate. If you dont like it dont have to invest.


Quote:
Shows a quite underwhelming prospectus


There is nothing underwhelming about it VV you just dont want to give me any credit for my past dealing of handling public isk.

Whats most important thing to an investor someone they can trust.

1. Im turstworthy this has been proven over along period of time, with my working as a banker at Eve online hold'em

2. 3% bond rate is competetive with the Bond rate market at the moment.

I know this might not go down well , but i like the Block Ukx philosophy if you trust me and want to invest ,invest if you dont then ok invest your isk elsewhere.

I didnt set out to be considered trustworthy. i Joined the Eve online hold'em team not to earn a reputation of trust but to do my little bit to help the poker community grow. In doing so i handled alot of public isk uncollaterized without stealing it.

I now come here to the MD to try and run a bond and i think its worth mentioning, that ive been trusted with public isk many times before and not stolen it.

All you have in Eve is reputation some throw it away some try to build on it.

Only 3 things you need to know here

1. im trustworthy
2. competetive bond rate 3%
3 your isk will not be stolen

Invest in TomHorn and invest in your future or invest in the next unkown guy who comes along here and have your isk stolen

Serene Python
Posted - 2011.07.06 16:05:00 - [23]
 

Quote:
1. Im turstworthy this has been proven over along period of time, with my working as a banker at Eve online hold'em


Now I'm really questioning your claims of working with EOH and what you're saying. I stopped reading on your post history when you mentioned how you deposited isk into your EOH account and it was working fine. This either means you just discovered it or it was still starting up so you were helping make sure the isk deposit worked fine. I have seen no mention of you handling large sums of isk from posting history either.

If you are/were indeed trusted by the head guys at EOH to the point you didn't need collateral to back everything up, why don't you have them post here to confirm you've handle large sums of isk that would make 3.5bn chump change?

Quote:
2. 3% bond rate is competetive with the Bond rate market at the moment.


There isn't a single bond running successfully right now that is uncollateralized at 3%. If you had collateral this would be inline with the going rates, but you don't. Sure this is your thread and you choose how it goes, but guess what? Your terms right now aren't helping you what so ever.






Again I'll repeat this somewhere a little less wall-of-texty...

If you really want to keep pulling this "I worked at EOH as a banker" thing, maybe you should get the head people over at EOH to come post here and confirm you were trustworthy and handle large sums of isk on a daily basis without any problems.

Nikki West
Posted - 2011.07.06 16:13:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: TomHorn

1. Im turstworthy this has been proven over along period of time, with my working as a banker at Eve online hold'em


At this point we only have your word. Can you provide some links? References? Also as far as I know people working as bankers at Hold'em have to provide something like 3-5B collateral? If that is indeed the case then working honestly for Hold'em isn't really much of a proof of trustworthiness as they held your collateral while you were working for them.

Originally by: TomHorn

2. 3% bond rate is competetive with the Bond rate market at the moment.


What bond rate market is that? You are putting all bonds in the same basket. The only people that get away with 2-3% returns with uncollateralized bonds are people with years of history like TornSoul or Grendell to name a few.

trance atlas
Posted - 2011.07.06 16:22:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: TomHorn


2. 3% bond rate is competetive with the Bond rate market at the moment.

2. competetive bond rate 3%




liar


a liar is v close to a scammer


show a loan with 3 % with no collateral that was filled by a unknown .



Serene Python
Posted - 2011.07.06 16:36:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: trance atlas
Originally by: TomHorn


2. 3% bond rate is competetive with the Bond rate market at the moment.

2. competetive bond rate 3%




liar


a liar is v close to a scammer


show a loan with 3 % with no collateral that was filled by a unknown .





It's among those threads that he claims are worse than his! Smile But since there's a very distinct lack of threads that he claims there are many of, he tells us he won't link them and that we should look for them ourselves. If I contact you Tom... Could we do a session of crash together, cause you obviously have the good stuff.

TomHorn
Caldari
Horn and Brothers
Posted - 2011.07.06 16:48:00 - [27]
 

Quote:
liar


a liar is v close to a scammer


show a loan with 3 % with no collateral that was filled by a unknown


Now i dont like being called a liar Trance. And i dont want to get into semantics with you.

There is alot of isk in bonds giving alot lower rate than 3%. I didnt mention wether they were collaterized or not, just that there is alot lower bond rates than 3%.

Now i think you owe me an apology.


Serene Python
Posted - 2011.07.06 16:57:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: TomHorn
Quote:
liar


a liar is v close to a scammer


show a loan with 3 % with no collateral that was filled by a unknown


Now i dont like being called a liar Trance. And i dont want to get into semantics with you.

There is alot of isk in bonds giving alot lower rate than 3%. I didnt mention wether they were collaterized or not, just that there is alot lower bond rates than 3%.

Now i think you owe me an apology.




We however ARE mentioning they are ALL collateralized, unlike this. There isn't a single loan running on 3% that is uncollateralized. You are saying competive rates, which means they are able to compete with this thread. However, this thread cannot compete with those rates because it's not accepting the same grounds at them.

My recent posting on MD is a clear indicator of how little of a life I have now....

Faith Clothos
Posted - 2011.07.06 17:00:00 - [29]
 

Oh wow, re: this thread.

You and you, go get laid.

Now.

Serene Python
Posted - 2011.07.06 17:03:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Faith Clothos
Oh wow, re: this thread.

You and you, go get laid.

Now.


Confirming I need to get laid, get a life, and get a job.

If you would like me to continue this by sexually harassing you based on your avatar vote PyTek1 if you would like to offer my a hand job vote PyTek2 if you want to pay me for sexually pleasuring you with a splintery stick vote PyTek3


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