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hanzyfranzy
Posted - 2011.07.05 06:23:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Aquana Abyss

1. Small & Medium hull repairers - Other than the odd offline small hull rep on a taranis fleet going deep roaming in 0.0 I really have never seen these used.




These are essential to deep space operations, like wormhole space... how else are you going to repair the hulls of your frigates or cruisers? You just fit them at an SMA, repair, then chuck em' back into storage.

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.07.05 06:26:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: hanzyfranzy
Originally by: Aquana Abyss

1. Small & Medium hull repairers - Other than the odd offline small hull rep on a taranis fleet going deep roaming in 0.0 I really have never seen these used.




These are essential to deep space operations, like wormhole space... how else are you going to repair the hulls of your frigates or cruisers? You just fit them at an SMA, repair, then chuck em' back into storage.


Carrier with 1 cap armour/hull/shield/cap reppers

Deerin
Minmatar
Murientor Tribe
Posted - 2011.07.05 11:32:00 - [33]
 

Energized Regenerative Membrane
Regenerative Plating

Both these modules are vastly outperformed by Adaptive versions, which give resists. (Even when stacking penalties up to 3rd module ar considered).

Doubling their effect would bring them inline with adaptives. In that case it would give more EHP but less resists, reducing in less repair efficiency

Chutney Hustler
Posted - 2011.07.05 11:37:00 - [34]
 

10mn MWD II - more expensive and worse than Y-T8

ing SpeedyJ
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.05 11:57:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Any railgun or blaster.


troll Laughing

Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
Posted - 2011.07.05 12:15:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Lady Go Diveher on 05/07/2011 13:34:57
Originally by: Headerman
Originally by: hanzyfranzy
Originally by: Aquana Abyss

1. Small & Medium hull repairers - Other than the odd offline small hull rep on a taranis fleet going deep roaming in 0.0 I really have never seen these used.




These are essential to deep space operations, like wormhole space... how else are you going to repair the hulls of your frigates or cruisers? You just fit them at an SMA, repair, then chuck em' back into storage.


Carrier with 1 cap armour/hull/shield/cap reppers


Please let me know where you bring carriers out to rep a frig Rolling Eyes

I usually use a logi-arby. Armour Rep drones. Remote hull & shield transfer installed locally. Gets your frig squadron back on the field quicker than a carrier can.

(as an aside, it pays to have some cheap shield logi hanging around, lets you top up the shields to full when you're undocking from an SMA or just joined a squad with a maxed shield boost. Or you're in a pulsar. Or all of the above, where my shield ends up starting life at about 40% Evil or Very Mad)

To answer the actual question: T2 ECCM

T2: 96% bonus, 24 CPU
M4: 96% bonus, 16 CPU

Baraka Saibot
Posted - 2011.07.05 14:32:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Yabba Addict
Originally by: Baraka Saibot
Originally by: Target Painter
Originally by: Soldarius
Even then, they are usually the last thing I fit on my passive Drake, and the first thing to go when I want/need better resists or tackle. Typically I go with 2 LSE II, 2 T2 hardeners, speed mod, and then a recharger.


You seriously PvP in a passive Drake?



Yes, people PvP in passive shield or active tanked ships.


I think you're getting mixed up between passive and buffer fits there. Passive armour fits are indeed buffer fits, passive shields aren't buffer.


I know... Read it again, people actually fly ships fitted for 1v1-3 active tanked or passive shield fitted. You don't want to fight an active tanked myrm, passive drake etc. in a 1v1 buffer tanked ship.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.05 19:02:00 - [38]
 

everything you mentioned except #4 is incredibly useful in a wormhole.

NoNah
Posted - 2011.07.05 19:11:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
everything you mentioned except #4 is incredibly useful in a wormhole.


I'd love to hear HOW you use them all. IE what kind of setup that utilizes a say 50mm Crystalline carbonide plate.(Just an example I'm curious about all of them).

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.05 19:23:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: Cipher Jones
everything you mentioned except #4 is incredibly useful in a wormhole.


I'd love to hear HOW you use them all. IE what kind of setup that utilizes a say 50mm Crystalline carbonide plate.(Just an example I'm curious about all of them).


In the immortal words of Toombs;
"Dope it out."

NoNah
Posted - 2011.07.05 19:35:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones

In the immortal words of Toombs;
"Dope it out."


Ironically, I somewhat assumed dope was involved one way or another. ;)

Rajere
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2011.07.05 19:51:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Rajere on 05/07/2011 19:51:24
Quote:
4. Omni Backup Sensor Array - Sensor strength is racial, having a lower 'omni' strength is redundant



The omni is not lower strength, it's the same strength as the racials, While having the same fitting requirements as the racials (for the T2 as well as Meta 4), thus your statement is 180 degrees off. The omni backup sensor array is the only worthwhile mod to use, the racials are worthless unless you only fly a single race's ships for the entirety of your eve career on every character you own.

NoNah
Posted - 2011.07.05 20:16:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Rajere
Edited by: Rajere on 05/07/2011 19:51:24
Quote:
4. Omni Backup Sensor Array - Sensor strength is racial, having a lower 'omni' strength is redundant



The omni is not lower strength, it's the same strength as the racials, While having the same fitting requirements as the racials (for the T2 as well as Meta 4), thus your statement is 180 degrees off. The omni backup sensor array is the only worthwhile mod to use, the racials are worthless unless you only fly a single race's ships for the entirety of your eve career on every character you own.


Wouldn't go that far. No, they're not worse for typical use, however the omnis use noticeably more cap(2-2.5x as much) and overheat for much shorter(3.4 vs 2) on the meta variants. IIRC they're also a tad more expensive, but that's well... negligible even if so.

CptConorado
Amarr
Vengeance Imperium
The Remnant Legion
Posted - 2011.07.06 00:12:00 - [44]
 

The Monocle Cool

Pomeroy Wyrd
Posted - 2011.07.06 01:28:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: CptConorado
The Monocle Cool


WIN! Laughing

chubbsmcchubbington
Posted - 2011.07.06 07:03:00 - [46]
 

I think that its hilarious that not only are small shield trans. worthless, but that tech 2 small shield transfers ARE MUCH MUCH better than gistii a-type small shield transfers

Ef Ahak
Posted - 2011.07.06 08:10:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Ace Echo
Originally by: Salpad
Originally by: Patient 2428190
Any of the small remote rep modules.


I fit a small remote armour repper, to repair my drones when they are damaged.



Yeah - my Navy Comet ratting fit has a small remote hull+armor rep to repair damaged drones. works fine for me.

Repairing drones at a station is expensive business! Sometimes it can be over a thousand ISK!!

Vita Grando'II
Minmatar
SuX ltd.
Posted - 2011.07.06 09:21:00 - [48]
 

The Aurum........ I can't imagine people are that dumb to waist real money on a useless item just for a different avatar?

And every ship bigger then a cruiser (well maybe with exception of the machariel). They are so freaking slow and a waist of my time...... GOD I miss nano :/

Spookyjay
Caldari
Animosity.
Posted - 2011.07.06 10:51:00 - [49]
 

Would be nice to see future t3 ships bonuses to specific underpowered weapon systems.

like a amarr t3 bs with a bonus to megabeam lasers specifically.

NoNah
Posted - 2011.07.06 14:42:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Spookyjay
Would be nice to see future t3 ships bonuses to specific underpowered weapon systems.

like a amarr t3 bs with a bonus to megabeam lasers specifically.


There's a difference betwen underused and underpowered.

Dr Gustof
Posted - 2011.07.06 15:58:00 - [51]
 

I find that the smaller Large weapons do the same amount of damage as their larger versions when going up against battle cruisers and cruisers. I use them on my typhoon for going around hunting BCs and it alows me to fit a larger buffer and fit 3 neuts.


RC Denton
Posted - 2011.07.06 18:40:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Ef Ahak
Originally by: Ace Echo
Originally by: Salpad
Originally by: Patient 2428190
Any of the small remote rep modules.


I fit a small remote armour repper, to repair my drones when they are damaged.



Yeah - my Navy Comet ratting fit has a small remote hull+armor rep to repair damaged drones. works fine for me.

Repairing drones at a station is expensive business! Sometimes it can be over a thousand ISK!!

Ya 'cause no one lives in wormholes or roams into 0.0 areas that don't have NPC stations Rolling Eyes

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.06 19:01:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Ef Ahak
Originally by: Ace Echo
Originally by: Salpad
Originally by: Patient 2428190
Any of the small remote rep modules.


I fit a small remote armour repper, to repair my drones when they are damaged.



Yeah - my Navy Comet ratting fit has a small remote hull+armor rep to repair damaged drones. works fine for me.

Repairing drones at a station is expensive business! Sometimes it can be over a thousand ISK!!


Hi, I never used to leave hisec either but then the other one dropped and I ran away from home.

In game neckbeard much?

Dark Assassin15
Failed Diplomacy
B A N E
Posted - 2011.07.06 19:43:00 - [54]
 

all this talk and not a single mention of a freakin monocle, you all should be ashamed of yourselves

this thread is a failure, need moar monocle pl0x.

Caldari Citizen20090217
Posted - 2011.07.06 19:56:00 - [55]
 

Gravity Capacitor II rigs. Rig gives more bonus than the t1 version, but costs more than 1/2 of the calibration so you can always fit 2 t1 at less cost for more benefit.

Rajere
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2011.07.07 01:10:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: Rajere
Edited by: Rajere on 05/07/2011 19:51:24
Quote:
4. Omni Backup Sensor Array - Sensor strength is racial, having a lower 'omni' strength is redundant



The omni is not lower strength, it's the same strength as the racials, While having the same fitting requirements as the racials (for the T2 as well as Meta 4), thus your statement is 180 degrees off. The omni backup sensor array is the only worthwhile mod to use, the racials are worthless unless you only fly a single race's ships for the entirety of your eve career on every character you own.


Wouldn't go that far. No, they're not worse for typical use, however the omnis use noticeably more cap(2-2.5x as much) and overheat for much shorter(3.4 vs 2) on the meta variants. IIRC they're also a tad more expensive, but that's well... negligible even if so.


You do realize the Back up sensor array that we are discussing is the low slot eccm module, right? The one that a: Doesn't use cap and b: can't be overheated?

Just checking. btw Apology accepted.

Guillame Herschel
Gallente
NME1
Posted - 2011.07.07 04:04:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 07/07/2011 04:06:58
Originally by: Aquana Abyss
1. Small & Medium hull repairers - Other than the odd offline small hull rep on a taranis fleet going deep roaming in 0.0 I really have never seen these used.


So... that's not useless.

Quote:
2. Small & Medium Remote Cap/Shield/Armour repairers (transfers) - High fitting requirements, low ranges, logistic ships can fit Large anyway



Level IV Logi pilots have a hard time operating all four Large remotes even with cap-support web. So they fit one of them with a medium.

Also not useless.

Quote:
3. Non-Rolled Tungsten / Tech 2 armour Plates (especially 100mm) - Rolled Tungsten is better in every way. Cost difference is marginal.


T2 armor plates, I agree with. However, RRT plates are relatively expensive. If you plan on suicide attacks, you fit regular T1 plates.

Not useless #3.

Quote:
4. Omni Backup Sensor Array - Sensor strength is racial, having a lower 'omni' strength is redundant


Finally, you named a really useless module.

Quote:
5. Small Cap Battery - Horrible fitting reqs, low benefit


Low-ish skill Covops pilots fit them to increase warp range. Far from useless, and fairly vital if scouting for a fleet.

Quote:
I'm sure there are many more, help post them, ta.


T2 Gravity Capacitor rigs are quite useless. No ships have enough calibration to fit two T2, and two T1 rigs give a better probing bonus than a single T2.

Liquid Cooled Electronics rigs are useless because the bonus makes no sense. It gives a bonus to CPU usage of modules that require the electronics upgrade skill. There are two. One is the CPU upgrade. It uses no CPU. The other is the signal amp. It hardly uses any CPU, even the T2 is easy to fit on any ship.

Guillame Herschel
Gallente
NME1
Posted - 2011.07.07 04:13:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Jesus Rambo
Any micro module, especially smartbombs.



Micro cap batteries can be used to increase warp range of low-skill Covert Ops ships. There may even be some systems so large that even max-skill Covert Ops pilots cannot warp across in one shot, without a cap battery.

Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
Heretic Army
B A N E
Posted - 2011.07.07 04:20:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 07/07/2011 04:22:41

Originally by: Guillame Herschel

Quote:
4. Omni Backup Sensor Array - Sensor strength is racial, having a lower 'omni' strength is redundant


Finally, you named a really useless module.



No he did not. They are the same strength as racials, have the same fittings. I'd argue that the racial backup arrays are redundant.


The midslot variants you could argue with fittings and heat stats, but when buying corp fittings it is way more reasonable to just go with omnis and be done with it instead of watching over four separate piles of modules.

Because you know the radar ones are gonna be out at some point, and you have to run to the nearest market hub or have people fleece their hangars for the three guys *****ing before your fleet is ready.


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