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Yun Kuai
Posted - 2011.07.03 05:31:00 - [1]
 

Okay so can someone please explain the logic behind me getting gcc for RR'ing an alliance mate who is a pirate, but not currently gcc.

From what I'm understandings, CCP is telling me that as a pirate I can't use real fleets that involve logi bc they get gcc for repping me outside of combat situations. WTF!!! and people wonder why we have to blob on gates to achieve anything.....

CCP when you're done breaking nullsec, come break *I mean fix* low sec mechanics please.


Milonia
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
Posted - 2011.07.04 02:31:00 - [2]
 

As an anti-pie even I think the current mechanic is ridiculous.

Kunos01
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys
Posted - 2011.07.04 06:17:00 - [3]
 

This needs to be fixed.

Jiix Zix
Erasers inc.
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2011.07.04 21:58:00 - [4]
 

gcc should only apply if the target you are repping actually has gcc flagged him/herself. Supported.

Jalmari Huitsikko
Caldari
draketrain
Posted - 2011.07.05 04:09:00 - [5]
 

this easily fix just look jita they neut can rr you pirate should sec up no grief

only dumb go low sec

Jack Viresi
Point of No Return
Waterboard
Posted - 2011.07.05 23:42:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Jalmari Huitsikko
this easily fix just look jita they neut can rr you pirate should sec up no grief

only dumb go low sec



Is this English?

Also, Supported.

Catherine Blacke
Posted - 2011.07.06 00:19:00 - [7]
 

It's not english, it's Charlie Kelly.

I love you.... night man.

eocsnesemaj
Keskerakond

Posted - 2011.07.07 08:57:00 - [8]
 

+1

never understood that

Yun Kuai
Posted - 2011.07.09 02:41:00 - [9]
 

bump!!!!

Naomi Knight
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.09 07:32:00 - [10]
 

helping pirates in any way should be a punishable offense
it is like supporting crime,totally unacceptable, you should be podded asap

Mograph
Caldari
SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs

Posted - 2011.07.09 11:23:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Mograph on 09/07/2011 11:23:20
I agree +1 Repping somebody without GCC in lowsec should not give you GCC

If you rep a pirate in high sec you should be flagged to the Faction navy and NOT concord
If you rep somebody under GCC then you shuld get GCC and sec hit

Yun Kuai
Posted - 2011.07.11 01:40:00 - [12]
 

SO yeah, forgot to mention this also affects interaction with corp mates.

So let me get everyone going with this info. You can actively shoot your corp member in highsec and guess what....YOU CAN EVEN POD THEM!!!!

So we can pod corp members in highsec but I can't rep or boost my corp members who are innocent pirates. WTF CCP, WTF Mad

Assassin126
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.11 22:59:00 - [13]
 

innocent pirates? not sure about that - but yeah we should be able to rep people who are -10 in low sec without going GCC, a good way to fix it is make it you get the same punishment as the person you rep

if he is -10 caldari standing you get the effect of -10 caldari standing

-10 sec status gives -10 sec status penalty

remote repping a war target makes you a war target (maybe include podding?)

of course it would only be in effect for 15 mins

Yun Kuai
Posted - 2011.07.12 01:53:00 - [14]
 

Just to clarify by what I mean when I say "innocent pirate." I mean that he has not commited a crime at the current time, therefore he has no 15mins gcc timer.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.12 02:28:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Jiix Zix
gcc should only apply if the target you are repping actually has gcc flagged him/herself. Supported.

How does the 'official' canon story go? Is it like NPC pirates are assumed to all have GCC on them, but Concord doesn't actively pursue them? If so, then gcc should extend to those who rep them. If not, then CCP needs to fix it.

Yun Kuai
Posted - 2011.07.20 00:58:00 - [16]
 

EPIC BUMP----Get this thing stickied already :P

Miskoranda
Sudden Buggery
Posted - 2011.07.20 06:53:00 - [17]
 

OK, it goes like this.

Evils McPirate is -10 sec status and camping a gate. He has not shot anything yet so no GCC. Gate guns will not fire.
Fluffer McWhoRReAlt is not -10, and is sitting in a ship with RR.

They hear there is a tasty target about to jump through. So Fluffer starts RRing Evils McPirate, setting up a massive spider tank circle-jerk rep chain BEFORE combat starts. This makes Evils McPirate basically invincible to his intended target, or to anyone who sees Evil McPirates is -10 and is therefore free to take a potshot at him with no gate gun response - in which case Evils McPirate is free to respond without gate gun aggro because he's not GCC.

he game mechanic as it stands is to prevent this type of behaviour, of people lurking gates in lowsec in -10 characters supported by massive RR chains.

IMO, sucks to be you if you are too lame to pirate without RR. Man up.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.07.20 13:40:00 - [18]
 

As my father would say:

You made your bed. Now lie in it.

Fournone
Posted - 2011.07.21 03:24:00 - [19]
 

+1

Yun Kuai
Posted - 2011.07.23 22:54:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Miskoranda
OK, it goes like this.

Evils McPirate is -10 sec status and camping a gate. He has not shot anything yet so no GCC. Gate guns will not fire.
Fluffer McWhoRReAlt is not -10, and is sitting in a ship with RR.

They hear there is a tasty target about to jump through. So Fluffer starts RRing Evils McPirate, setting up a massive spider tank circle-jerk rep chain BEFORE combat starts. This makes Evils McPirate basically invincible to his intended target, or to anyone who sees Evil McPirates is -10 and is therefore free to take a potshot at him with no gate gun response - in which case Evils McPirate is free to respond without gate gun aggro because he's not GCC.

he game mechanic as it stands is to prevent this type of behaviour, of people lurking gates in lowsec in -10 characters supported by massive RR chains.

IMO, sucks to be you if you are too lame to pirate without RR. Man up.


You missed the point. My logi shouldn't get gcc when he reps me in a lvl 5 (yes we carebear it up on the side) or someone shouldn't get gcc when they give my gallente fail guns a tracking link boost.

So what you're basically saying is that because I'm -10 I should have gate/station guns shoot me 23/7 just because I have outlaw status? You heard the man CCP, make lowsec even emptier.

Yun Kuai
Posted - 2011.07.24 20:11:00 - [21]
 

bumping for the love of pirates and everything we don't stand for :P

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2011.07.24 23:56:00 - [22]
 

For the geniusses out there.

Low Sec is still Empire space.

If you are a pirate with -5,0 or less sec rating then assisting you in Empire space is considered assisting a wanted criminal and as such you get flagged as a criminal aswel.

So not supporting this because the same people that got to that low sec rating are the same people that tell their victims that EVE is a game of consequences.

Amsterdam Conversations
Posted - 2011.07.25 12:32:00 - [23]
 

No. Also, if anything, RRing should cause aggression timers too.

Tetragammatron Prime
Posted - 2011.07.25 23:36:00 - [24]
 

If you do lvl5s then you can find this very annoying but it is fair imo. If you use pirate to tank/dps then you can just ignore the loss of standings with empire faction (not like you can go high sec anyway). Make choice between lose sec status on your alt by remote pirate or lose empire standings on non-pie while use the pirate to rr.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.07.26 11:50:00 - [25]
 

This is indeed broken.

Yun Kuai
Posted - 2011.07.27 00:32:00 - [26]
 

So we have some people saying it's a fair mechanic about it being Empire still and all that jazz. I'm still going back to my original comment about being able to pod my corp mate in highsec but I can't receive a remote sensor boost from him or reps outside the being gcc.

Kinda seems broken too me. Just sayin

Kaelie Onren
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.27 06:48:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Yun Kuai
So we have some people saying it's a fair mechanic about it being Empire still and all that jazz. I'm still going back to my original comment about being able to pod my corp mate in highsec but I can't receive a remote sensor boost from him or reps outside the being gcc.

Kinda seems broken too me. Just sayin


Distraction tactic? :-)
That's a completely different topic and comparing 'unfairness' factors are not fruitful in debates.

Incidentally, that tactics main legitimate use is for wargames and fleet exercises within corps.

Yun Kuai
Posted - 2011.07.30 00:01:00 - [28]
 

Yo ho....Yo ho, a bumping we will go!!!!!


 

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