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Gloria Stitz
Posted - 2011.07.02 21:19:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu
It wouldn't matter what CCP says, some of the people posting here are now just trolling. CCP clearly stated that they have no plans of adding anything to the NEX's other than non-vanity items...period..end of story. Same thing they have said repeatedly "publicly". That is good enough for me. \o/




This is not a troll.

CCP's lawyers wrote that release so that it said nothing at all. Why do you think it took so long?

Translation? Do you really think they have no native russian and german speakers?

General Xenophon
Posted - 2011.07.02 21:20:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: loony thezoon
Originally by: General Xenophon


Dev Blog

Dev blog says: "It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store."




I wonder what store they will set up to sell them?

Odd that they specifically mentioned Nex store.


I guess we'll have to wait and see, until then it's just paranoia.

Khira Kitamatsu
Posted - 2011.07.02 21:20:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Originally by: Akita T

Did they ?
You might want to re-read the blog in that case.


You are backpedaling by playing dumb word games. The outrage was because the playerbase believed that the selling of non-vanity items was planned and inevitable. If you don't think the new devblog addresses that concern, then I suggest you re-read it.

And if you don't understand what the playerbase anger was about, well, then I have to wonder why you made so many posts about it.




Some players are trolls on these boards. They have been for a very long time and all they do is stir up trouble, troll peoples post and make crap up.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.02 21:20:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 02/07/2011 21:22:39
Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Originally by: Akita T
Did they ?
You might want to re-read the blog in that case.

You are backpedaling by playing dumb word games. The outrage was because the playerbase believed that the selling of non-vanity items was planned and inevitable. If you don't think the new devblog addresses that concern, then I suggest you re-read it.

The selling of non-vanity items could have never been actually planned at all, but it might as well still be inevitable, EVENTUALLY.
You got no assurances it will NEVER happen.
And you won't ever get any.

Originally by: Ghoest
A couple of things.
1 If someone says they arent listening to you its silly to keep talking nicely if you want results. What you call "disengaging brain" I would I would call an elevated level of negative feedback.

No, he was saying that he was not going to take a decision based on just the bulk of the complaints, and instead focus on what players actually will do as opposed to what they THREATEN to do... not that he was completely ignoring everything anybody was saying.

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2 There is a difference in the way you and I see customers dealing with game devs.
You see it as to groups of adults having a rational discussion.
I see it as two groups with both shared and competing interests. Where one group has all the authority but the other group has mass. I think the authorities tried to leverage its exclusivity for a money grab and the masses surprisingly held their own.

The masses flat out lost it over hints of things that were merely discussed.
There was little more than BARELY JUSTIFIED FEAR that CCP might at some point in the future actually consider introducing "better stuff" into the game that would be only creatable by spending AUR.
And that fear might still yet come to pass, in a future distant enough, in which MTs are such an integral part of the day-to-day gaming landscape that NOT doing it would seem odd.

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My(and other) approach to dealing with MMO devs is based on over 10 years of experience dealing with MMO devs.
Players only have 2 cards and and they do well to use them - subscriptions and commotion.
I see this as players successfully standing up to game devs, you see it as bad communication.

Why exactly can't it be both ?
Or why does it have to be either ?

Did the players really stand up against the game devs, or did everything end up mostly where CCP would have wanted it to end up at anyway ?
And did this actually get CCP to lose a sizable number of subscriptions, or did the alleged "bad publicity" manage to actually make more people become aware of EVE and try it out in the coming months ? And how many of those alleged lost subscriptions were actually lost ?

You see, when you haggle for a trinket in a bazaar, just because you started at 300$ and negotiated it down to 120$ doesn't mean you actually got a pretty sweet deal... the seller might have been happy with even 100$. And the fact you're screaming so loudly while arguing about price, but most importantly, the smug smile on your face at the end (when you think you won and got a great result) is what might get even more people to come shop there.

So, again... did the players REALLY manage to stand up to CCP, or did CCP manage to play everybody like a puppet ?
Twisted Evil

ChiShen
Infinity Research
Posted - 2011.07.02 21:21:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: loony thezoon
Originally by: General Xenophon


Dev Blog

Dev blog says: "It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store."




I wonder what store they will set up to sell them?

Odd that they specifically mentioned Nex store.


Their word choices in that statement are either terrible or are used to allow for the addition of new items that do affect gameplay.

"plan" - I planned on eating that snickers bar later, but i got hungry now.
"game breaking" - what is that supposed to mean? Its so vague i could go on forever.

Rainer Unsinn
Posted - 2011.07.02 21:22:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: General Xenophon
Dev blog says: "It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store."



I want to believe that, but months of reading Jita local immediately made me notice that they aren't really promising anything. Everything is tempered with the "not game breaking" adjective and that leaves a lot open to interpretation, especially since it's going to be CCP who are going to decide what is game breaking and how much they are going to charge for it.

All that they are saying is that if they add something that might be considered game breaking they'll discuss it with the CSM. Even if the CSM says "Are you fragging insane? This will kill the game" they can still add it and adhere to their promise - after all, it was discussed.

Khira Kitamatsu
Posted - 2011.07.02 21:22:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Gloria Stitz
Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu
It wouldn't matter what CCP says, some of the people posting here are now just trolling. CCP clearly stated that they have no plans of adding anything to the NEX's other than non-vanity items...period..end of story. Same thing they have said repeatedly "publicly". That is good enough for me. \o/




This is not a troll.

CCP's lawyers wrote that release so that it said nothing at all. Why do you think it took so long?

Translation? Do you really think they have no native russian and german speakers?



So you do not like what CCP says - again. Then quit. Plain and simple. Biomass your characters and quit. Make sure you biomass, or all you are doing is actually whining. It sounds like this game is not for you anyways. It is better off without you.

dicen3
Posted - 2011.07.02 21:25:00 - [38]
 

I have no "plans" to continue to pay for this game.

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.07.02 21:28:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Akita T


So, again... did the players REALLY manage to stand up to CCP, or did CCP manage to play everybody like a puppet ?
Twisted Evil


Well if you watch the new video where Mittanis head is almost exploding while while Zulu looks more or less sick its pretty easy to tell that CCP did not plan on this mess.

As I said in another post that was deleted - everyone lost here and no one is as happy as they were last month(well except maybe Mittani.)

Ianus
Caldari
Geminus Gateway
Posted - 2011.07.02 21:34:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Rainer Unsinn
CCP/CSM dev blog - did I miss something?
Ok, I just read the much awaited dev/CSM blog...


I, for one, was expecting more monocle. I was disapoint...

Swebo Claw
Posted - 2011.07.02 21:37:00 - [41]
 

If the dev blog is an accurate transcription of what happened, then it didn't solve the major issue, which is trust. This sounds like every CCP apology in the past, "sorry, we should have had better communication", "sorry, we should have engaged more with you", blah blah blah.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy with the outcomes in terms of NEX and CQ, but I don't see any indication of a change in attitude on CCP's part which will be carried forward. Same old same old.

Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2011.07.02 21:40:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Sujanra Acoma
No. You're wrong. You're being willfully ignorant and stubborn, and admitting that you were wrong means admitting that all the conduct of the raging playerbase over the last week has been ludicrously out of touch with reality, not to mention decency.


Umm no you are wrong.. You apparently didn't read any of the leaked documents, if it was just RMT for vanity items, the raging never would have gone this far.

CCP did intend to MT's for more, but the player base put them in check for at least the time being.. One thing is certain they will try again.

Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.02 21:45:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Rainer Unsinn - Quote Of The Day
a player who has seen CCP turn from a company where the devs posted pictures of themselves with a wig and a blow-up doll to an entity that consults their lawyers before they confirm that the sky may in fact be blue.


Oh and the answer is substance.


Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.02 21:49:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
Apparently CCP is much more comfortable communicating with the CSMs than it is with communicating with the customers.
\

Not many companies are comfortable discussing things with their consumer base. That is what the PR departments are for.

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Ghoest
Apparently CCP is much more comfortable communicating with the CSMs than it is with communicating with the customers.

What "apparently" ?
It's been pretty obvious that you can't even begin to reason with a large portion of the people that frequented the forums in the past few days.
OF COURSE they would find talking to a small number of suspicious but ultimately reasonable people much more "comfortable" than to try to have a conversation with a teeming, screeching mob with torches and pitchforks.


This.


Slade

ninjaholic
Gallente
House Aratus
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.07.02 21:50:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: ninjaholic on 02/07/2011 21:51:43

Originally by: Mutnin
CCP did intend to MT's for more, but the player base put them in check for at least the time being.. One thing is certain they will try again.


Maybe WoD and Dust514 will make the Eve player base less of a target when it comes to MT. But if they're successful, then the Eve player base will lose it's strength in that it's the sole income for the entire company. So while I hope that WoD and Dust514 are successful, lets hope they're not so successful that it eliminates us as a deciding factor in CCP's developments eh? Wink

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2011.07.02 21:50:00 - [46]
 

They had no "plans" for microtransactions less than a year ago.

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2011.07.02 22:06:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Emperor Cheney on 02/07/2011 22:07:15
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 02/07/2011 21:22:39
Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Originally by: Akita T
Did they ?
You might want to re-read the blog in that case.

You are backpedaling by playing dumb word games. The outrage was because the playerbase believed that the selling of non-vanity items was planned and inevitable. If you don't think the new devblog addresses that concern, then I suggest you re-read it.

The selling of non-vanity items could have never been actually planned at all, but it might as well still be inevitable, EVENTUALLY.
You got no assurances it will NEVER happen.
And you won't ever get any.


Your original post in this thread was saying that the angry playerbase could not have been reasoned with.

Of course, that is revealed as false. They (more or less) just were. Any reduction in outrage after their new devblog is proof that the playerbase could have been reasoned with.

So now you are just hitting "quote" and "reply" a lot and playing games.


Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.03 04:39:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Your original post in this thread was saying that the angry playerbase could not have been reasoned with.

And at that time, it couldn't have been reasoned with.
If this blog came out just as it is now without the CSM part, it would have been partially dismissed as a "but you DIDN'T say you're NEVER going to do it, so this means you WANT to eventually do it" (something that is still happening in spite of the cooling period), with quite a bit of the others dismissing it with a "you're lying" (in far more colorful language).

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Any reduction in outrage after their new devblog is proof that the playerbase could have been reasoned with.

A reduction of rage that started becoming observable even before the CSM was called.
You don't oppose an angry mob when they're massively riled up, you let them blow off steam and tire themselves out a bit first.


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