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Marthe Sirius
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:33:00 - [181]

So the response to a lot of upset players is basically 'carry on as before'.

Nothing has changed except a lot of people are calling it a 'miracle'

Goodwill City
The Society of Goodwill
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:34:00 - [182]

Originally by: Assagai Invari
Originally by: Nukleanis
If someone does something wrong, then they should apologise.


CCP's statement doesn't contain a single reference that can be construed as, "Sorry guys."

Very Happy

In fairness Zulu did seem apologetic in the video. He actually seems alright but it's Hilmar I don't trust Rolling Eyes

Posted - 2011.07.02 17:34:00 - [183]

Excellent statement and excellent work from CCP and CSM. Satisfied with what I read and glad this great game is going to remain so. Will resub now that my questions have been answered.

Good job guys.

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:34:00 - [184]

Edited by: Ranger 1 on 02/07/2011 17:34:41
Originally by: Vandrion
Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Vandrion
Originally by: Taedrin
Edited by: Taedrin on 02/07/2011 16:52:28
/very satisfied

-CCP confirms that there are no non-vanity items in the NEX, nor were there ever any real plans to introduce them.

-CCP promises to improve communication

-CCP promises to reintroduce ship spinning in the future.

EDIT: resubbing two accounts

They said no MT at all last year.....Original NO MT statement by CCP

What they say doesn't matter.. Its what they do........

Notice that there is a difference between saying there will be no microtransactions, and saying that there are no plans for microtransactions. Last year at this time, CCP probably DIDN'T have any plans to introduce microtransactions.

As for myself, the only thing that I care about is clear and honest communication between the players and CCP. I could care less about microtransactions, so long as the game is fun to play.

So next year or next patch if some game altering MT comes into play you will still assume CCP had no plans for it?

What is the expiration date for this statement:

"It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store."

As you are so fond of posting links to that thread, perhaps if you look at it closely you will see that each and every statement is given specifically as a response to questions concerning skills for micro transactions.

Even if we overlook your taking specific sentences out of the context of the discussion that was happening, MT weren't even a blip on the radar back then. It is highly likely that there was no internal discussion going on about them at that time.

Currently there is plenty of discussion about the topic, in very specific terms. Statements made by CCP are completely within the proper context and there can be no misunderstandings on what is being discussed.

This means that if CCP changes their minds on the issue, the DEV blog and video will instantly be brought up again to crucify them.

Time to stop beating the dead horse.

Space Llama Industries
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:34:00 - [185]

Originally by: Ban Doga
Edited by: Ban Doga on 02/07/2011 17:31:16
There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.

Does that mean the Ishukone Watch Scorpion that would have been spawned from the Nex-Store from nothing - that is, completely circumventing the whole player-driven economy - is not considered to be game breaking?

Does this imply that buying ships with standard characteristics directly from the store will be (re)introduced at some point, since this was planned and obviously CCP never planned to sell anything game breaking so doing this won't be game breaking?

Besides the return of ship spinning I fail to see anything new in there.
No idea why you think you accomplished anything with this stunt.

This. There are too many qualifiers in that statement.

"Game breaking" is the largest and most obvious.

"Plans" is difficult, too. There were no "plans" for MT one year ago. In one year they allegedly went from no plans, to planned, developed, and implemented, which seems extremely unlikely.

Harden Long
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:34:00 - [186]

Plans change, vanity items don't sell at $70 a pop and CCP is hurting for cash. EVE will have P2W items in the CS, and it is heading down the slope of F2P. How long did Star Wars last ofter its NeX... err I mean NPE?

Red Twilight
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:34:00 - [187]

Those who accept victory with no definitive timetable give up any power for effecting a positive change. You will be disappointed. Expect it. There has been no apology. The developers are just as out of touch and uncaring as ever, and you have given in with only a wink from CCP.

Operations Control
United Pod Service
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:34:00 - [188]

The whole of things that happened from Incarna to now basically only shows one thing:

CCP really messed up by evaluation their customers prior to a poorly executed move void of any professionalism at all.

Besides this, for CCP running tail between legs, for they simply need the money, I dont care why they do something, as long as it serves EVE, therefore...


CCCP Supersmug
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:35:00 - [189]

Originally by: John McCreedy
Thank you for this blog and thank you to the CSM for their time and effort put in to this, especially since they had short notice. Thank you also to CCP for listening but we'll be judging you by your actions.

Couple of questions:

The CSM helped CCP understand the emotional connection players had with „ship spinning". They vehemently demanded the return of the feature, which CCP committed to introduce in some form at a future date. Until that functionality is added back in, the option to load station environments will remain in the Settings menu.

This is a bit vague. Could it be explained, in lamens terms, why this cannot be quickly reintroduced and CQ be accessible only though an "exit" button, please?

Captain's Quarters: We discussed the hardware and lighting issues within the CQ and we were satisfied that they were being addressed. We were pleased when Torfi announced that the current "Disabled Incarna Door" will be replaced with an environment that will provide similar functionality and performance to the pre-Incarna Hangar, and this environment will be available until Incarna performance is similar to pre-Incarna performance. While the final details and timelines have not been worked out, ships will once again spin all over New Eden.

This is even more vague. Can we have a follow up blog to outline what CCP have in mind, please?

Finally, CCP you might want to consider having a Community Manager whose talents lie in communication rather than programming. Being direct as Arnar is doesn't always come across well in text Smile

oh god I know what they are going to do, they'll add a way to walk down to to your ship instead of watching it just out a window, its just so buggy/performing so poorly now they can't do it, you'll never escape spaceship barbie

Myz Toyou
the Organ Grinder and Company
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:35:00 - [190]

Can I buy now a monocle without getting flamed ?

Fiye Tao
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:35:00 - [191]

Originally by: CCP Zulu
The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time.

It is this statement in particular, which is an acknowledgement of the core issue and fairly clear agreement with the EVE player base, that gives me hope. If anything, it's a concrete statement that we can hold CCP to.

Lysander Kaldenn
Dead Reckoning.
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:35:00 - [192]

That was pretty much what I wanted to hear.

The only thing that made me angry was that CCP seemed to be refusing to answer the question that most of us were asking. Now they have, and pretty clearly. If they flip stances at some point people can always unsub again.

Anyways, thanks for clearing things up CCP. Try to be more direct in the future, all of this could've been avoided with a clear answer in the first place.

Kane Molou
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:36:00 - [193]

Any one else think that even the CSM appears to have things wrong, I mean watch the video and Mittens goes on about how this is all about the whole 'price' and 'pay to win' issue.. and yet this was never wholely about those or even Fearless they where the 'Spark' that lit the already near exploding boiler.

We have no firm anything, no reason for a half assed expansion, no reasoning for why we have a client that is now close to killing even Top of the line machines, No information on when we will ever get anything new from CCP..

The big issue here once again NDAs etc. We are what expected to just take on face value that CSM is not lieing that CCP is not lieing? Hello that = what started this in the first place.. Either there is a LOT more transperancy or come next resub i'm out with my 3 accounts.

All I know is that I'm tired of hearing that the issue is about 'Virtual Goods' it's not just VIRTUAL GOODS.

1. Fix the problem of you client causing machines to overheat.
2. Prove that your dedicated to fixing BUGS and Half Finished Objects.
3. Finish Incarna and make it a REAL expansion.
4. Promise that what we see avalible for NO money is not all we are going to get.
5. Fix the damned BUGS...
6. Have I said it yet.. oh that's right i have but.. Fix the Bugs and Half Finished Stuff you've released.
7. Oh and fix the unbalanced Super Caps while your at it.

von Diel
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:36:00 - [194]

Considering they cost $1000, Zulu's trousers look fairly mundane...

More seriously, I'm pretty much happy with this, but I would have liked to have had more concrete dates for the replacement of the door, alongside some idea of when we'll see more spaceship related content.

Not sure if resubbing :/

Marcus D'Eriellius
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:36:00 - [195]

The CSM raised concerns with performance running multiple clients after the Incarna launch where the minimum hardware spec will only support one client logged in when in a station environment. CCP will work on creating a minimum hardware spec that supports multiple clients, but wants it to be clear that the current minimum specification aims at single client with low settings.

So rather than commit to fixing the heat and performance issues that they know exist, they have instead decided to raise the minimum spec requirement?

Children of Avalon
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:36:00 - [196]

Even though I still think they should revert back to what they promissed... - "NO MT", I'm going to continue playing eve.

Won't resub however, going to switch to GTC/PLeX

Posted - 2011.07.02 17:36:00 - [197]

Edited by: Casanunda on 02/07/2011 17:39:55

First up thanks to the CSM for stepping up to the plate, and CCP for actually taking the reaction in the forums seriously, both have invested considerable time in this resolution.

I can live with this result, 1 of my 2 accounts will be resubscribed on a monthly basis, the second shall stay unsubscribed until such time I can multibox without being able to cook dinner on my GPU.

Needless to say, the moment I see anything available in the Nex store that can be construed as game altering I shall walk away without a second thought.

I still don't trust CCP as far as I could launch them with a roflket launcher, but it's a step in the right direction to regaining the trust they lost through lack of communication since the release of Incarna.

I shall watch what they do, not what they say for the foreseeable future.

/me puts Pitchforks and flaming torches away for next time CCP screw up,Twisted Evil

Jonathan Priest
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:37:00 - [198]

This was a good answer. While eve certainly has other issues, these were the ones that had the potential to break the game.

Ariel Nova
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:37:00 - [199]

Satisfied, for now.

Watching you like a hawk.

I never hated Incarna, I just hated how it was released unfinished.

You may have deadlines for WoD and Dust514, but don't forget how you got to where you could make those games.

Eve needs to remain a priority to CCP.

Posted - 2011.07.02 17:37:00 - [200]

Thank you to both CCP and the CSM for hashing this out.

Think it's time to get back to what Eve is really about; shooting people in the face! Twisted Evil

Cevin North
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:37:00 - [201]

Thank you CCP and CSM for following up on your word, and feeding us back the answers to our questions.

Much appreciated that this is done.

Finaly clearness.

Karia Sur
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:37:00 - [202]

CCP, where is the official resub thread as you locked the obviously unofficial one?

Silas Cooper
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:37:00 - [203]

Originally by: Myz Toyou
Can I buy now a monocle without getting flamed ?

No, never.

Chidori kun
Starship Operating BastardZ
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:38:00 - [204]

Although I am not sure about the statements I have read, they say a lot but not everything.
No game breaking stuff in the store ok well it's a answer but it will not full satisfy people.
But we will see.

2 days of meetings and this is what we hear still no answers about other stuff which is also game breaking.
Bugs, balance, and a long list of stuff that you can find on the forums should have been addressed in these meetings.
Which was the underling problem what made this "perfect storm" happen, it was not only what Incarna brought to us.
Users felt like nobody listens to us, new fluffy stuff can be a good thing but when older problems are not addressed it just back fires in your face.
And well yeah that was happening the last couple of weeks.

A quote from a movie comes to mind after reading the statements and watching the video...

"Listen, I'm a politician which means I'm a cheat and a liar, and when I'm not kissing babies I'm stealing their lollipops. But it also means I keep my options open."

Hunt for red October


Solomunio Kzenig
Indicium Technologies
Hephaestus Forge Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:38:00 - [205]

Reasonably satisfied with the dev blog, can't get the video to work though, but re-subbing my alt account.

Remember its what €€P does and not what they say so with that in mind I will be watching very closely as to what the actual new content being released from now on is, if its mainly MT stuff (even if its only vanity fluff) and little or no actual content/fixes I'll be on my merry way outta EVE. If the last week has thought me anything its that I can live without EVE Very Happy.

Posted - 2011.07.02 17:38:00 - [206]

Edited by: Raid''En on 02/07/2011 17:44:50
Edited by: Raid''En on 02/07/2011 17:40:39
It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.

can you say it again without talking about the NeX store only ?
this can be easily read as "NeX store is only for vanity items BUT we may create other stores where we will provide non-vanity items"

if you were thinking it why did you never simply answered the big yellow question ?
if it's only for advertisement issues, then you're doing it extremly wrong.

and i don't even talk about how CCP's text miss apologies while CSMs are pretty nice to you on their text.
moreover Zulu don't talk much on the video, and he don't say anything except a little "yes" about MTs. given the goal of the video is to check reaction it's a bit ridiculous he don't talk more...

I'm not totally conviced for now. waiting for more infos.

CCP will work on creating a minimum hardware spec that supports multiple clients, but wants it to be clear that the current minimum specification aims at single client with low settings.

what ? that's all ? you're kidding right ? Shocked

Open Designs
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:38:00 - [207]

I am currently satisfied with the results. I think that they could have made some clearer statements on a few points but I think this is a win for now. But I think some folks are failing to realize something, We showed CCP that we care about this game and that if we feel they are about to really screw it up we will let them know. I think they got the message on that clearly. So.. they have made their statements.. time to watch what they do!!!

Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:38:00 - [208]

Now, was that so hard?

IF you only would answer my petition now...

Haradriel Tian
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:39:00 - [209]

Originally by: Janos Saal
Edited by: Janos Saal on 02/07/2011 17:31:43
I'm satisfied for now. Enough to resub my one account.
Any movement on this issue by CCP will prompt me to re-evaluate my position.

I expect CSM will be fully included in any future internal "debate" on these issues.

Like they were last time. LOL right.

Also the alts coming out of the woodwork to praise CCP is hilarious.

the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:39:00 - [210]

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
I am in transit back home (now in Boston Airport) but will be happy to answer questions as time permits. I hope the devblog clears up a lot of things for everyone.
It's very clear you completely missed the point, as far as CQ is concerned.

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