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Mater Dolorosa
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:25:00 - [151]
 

When will CCP invest on Eve instead of Incarna ?

Abrazzar
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:25:00 - [152]
 

Well.

What they do, not what they say.

Guess they'll have until the winter expansion to proof they're not just making empty promises. It's really about time EVE got its content fixed and features finished.

Insidious
0utbreak
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:25:00 - [153]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
The CSM, under NDA, has been presented with CCP‘s plans for continued evolution of the business model and agrees that nothing they saw breaks this principle.


Im having difficulty taking that at face value.


Attaia
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:25:00 - [154]
 




They lied once ("no microtransactions evar"), they will do it again, you'll see.

But my main concern is this:

Quote:
"Disabled Incarna Door" will be replaced with an environment that will provide similar functionality and performance to the pre-Incarna Hangar, and this environment will be available until Incarna performance is similar to pre-Incarna performance.



What I can read here is that we're good for some time, but eventually we will be forced do play space barbie. Thanks, but no thanks.

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:26:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Vandrion
Originally by: Taedrin
Edited by: Taedrin on 02/07/2011 16:52:28
/very satisfied

Highlights:
-CCP confirms that there are no non-vanity items in the NEX, nor were there ever any real plans to introduce them.

-CCP promises to improve communication

-CCP promises to reintroduce ship spinning in the future.

EDIT: resubbing two accounts


They said no MT at all last year.....Original NO MT statement by CCP

What they say doesn't matter.. Its what they do........


Notice that there is a difference between saying there will be no microtransactions, and saying that there are no plans for microtransactions. Last year at this time, CCP probably DIDN'T have any plans to introduce microtransactions.

As for myself, the only thing that I care about is clear and honest communication between the players and CCP. I could care less about microtransactions, so long as the game is fun to play.


So next year or next patch if some game altering MT comes into play you will still assume CCP had no plans for it?

What is the expiration date for this statement:

"It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store."

TalonClark
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:26:00 - [156]
 

Edited by: TalonClark on 02/07/2011 17:28:00
The sad realization of ALL of this? It will never be as before.

Once trust is broken, it takes time to get it back. You stretched my willingness to trust you over the past 2 years, and cut the last line of trust pretty clean off last week.

Now, even if the CSM-Meeting + Statements are well drafted, and i "should" be happy about it, i am not really. Why? Because its just words. Its words that i heard on other topics before, and words that contradicted everything shortly later.

So, regaining trust will be difficult, and tbh, i can' tell you what i will do. For me, personally, how you communicated not only officially (pretty arrogantly), but also internally (much more so, to see how you really think your customers should be treated) was very very dishearting.

Well, good luck to us all, or we will lose a cool community game because trust was broken.

Vim
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:26:00 - [157]
 

Basicly a huge confirmation of what the levelheaded and rational people kept saying on the forums while the tinfoiled trolls were running around with torches and tar.

Looking forward to another ten years of eve.

Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:26:00 - [158]
 

Given that these short posts address many of the questions we had some faith has been restored, there is some wiggle room in the wording though. I'll keep my accounts unsubbed for now, to see what road CCP has ahead for us, but this is a step in the right direction.

Fiye Tao
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:27:00 - [159]
 

Overall, my confidence is restored in CCP's ability to maintain the EVE sandbox.

What has been said in the blog about the ability to purchase (non-vanity) items appears to leave room for purchase of in-game equipment such as ships and ammo that would normally come from a manufacturer. This presents a problem, one that is obvious enough to make me confident CCP would find a way to make it work with the current EVE concept before implementation.


Dryderian Vex
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:27:00 - [160]
 

Edited by: Dryderian Vex on 02/07/2011 17:28:18
I am disappointed.

The statements in text and video from the "involved Parties" look like they are trying to walk through a minefield without hitting one. No clear statements without the words "at the moment", "intentions", "were and have no plans", "I think " -there will never be non vanity items in the NEX store is a statement that wasn't made.

A big bubble of nothingness which fits perfectly into the "line of events".

Nothing about the future of Eve.

So, we have now to trust some guys, called CSM, which know some things and say "The things we know are not bad, we've seen things and heard things."


Jeff Severasse
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:27:00 - [161]
 

Just like CCP stated they are watching what we do and not what we say...

CCP now, more then ever probably, we are going to be watching what you do now that we have seen what you have to say.

PLEASE dont F*** up! I LOVE THIS GAME!!!!!

Epiphany Achura
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:28:00 - [162]
 

I am satisified...

I have written a bit on this topic. More importantly I have trolled the monocle-touting trolls (Butterdog) which was fun.

Whether, CCP never intended to implement P2W or have re-evaluated their position post Monoclegate is immaterial. We have been assured that our game is secure; you can't ask for more than that. Any further negative posting on the subject will be non-productive and would invalidate all that you protestors accomplished.

With the upcoming new line of vanity items I would still like a muzzle for my Butterdog...he has two monocles..did you know that? Cool

Arja Marketta
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:28:00 - [163]
 

Originally by: Renan Ruivo
So i hope that CCP does NOT plans on bringing hangar view back, on the condition that one has to go through the Captain's Quarters FIRST, because not only would that be pointless, it would be an even further failure of communication/understanding on part of CCP. What we obvioulsy want is the other way around.


I suspect they are going to try to implement ship spinning *within CQ* (ie. put rotate left/right arrows on the balcony, or just the ability to click and drag-rotate the ship).



Assagai Invari
Gallente
Abyssal Heavy Industries
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:28:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: Nukleanis
If someone does something wrong, then they should apologise.


This.

CCP's statement doesn't contain a single reference that can be construed as, "Sorry guys."

Good result though, my closet door won't last forever. Very Happy

Oberine Noriepa
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:28:00 - [165]
 

Very satisfied.

Aessaya
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:29:00 - [166]
 

Well, i'm happy there are attempts to restore the broken trust between devs and the playerbase, however only time will tell if it works or any real actions are taken to rectify the situation. Thus i will not resub just yet, since my accounts are still valid till september. We'll see then. Although i will stop raging for a while =]

Freddie Failquitter
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:30:00 - [167]
 

Edited by: Freddie Failquitter on 02/07/2011 17:29:51
So is this the part where all the failquitters who failed to quit "come out" and say they decided not to quit? Cool

Chimaera Abaddon
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:30:00 - [168]
 

I'm honestly not sure about this. Going to digest it for a few days.

The things that concern me:

CCP did not address Hilmar's e-mail... at all. That isn't a small thing for me, if the leader of a company has that little respect for it's customers and there's not an apology, let alone even a mention of it, that's not good. It doesn't matter how much I trust the others in the company, if the person with ultimate power has that negative of an attitude and there's no accountability or conscience for it.

There will no doubt be the dismissal by many of concern for the wording, but "plans for" also seems a very weak commitment. (Especially in light of the referenced discussion on MT as a whole from just a year ago) Even if future changes are floated by the CSM, would they even be permitted to tell us it was coming due to the NDA? Not wearing a tinfoil hat, that's just the natural state of the mechanism.

Regarding the "Fearless" newsletter. I'll accept it's meaningless, but I'm curious as to an explanation for why the newsletter exists if it's meaningless and no one reads/pays any regard to it. And as well, why the subject of non-vanity MT was being discussed. It just seems somewhat... nutty, to have something pointless created to argue pointless subjects just so controversial ideas get expressed... which no one pays attention to anyway. Which is what seems to be what's being said.

P.S. Thanks to the CSM for their work.

TripodAl
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:30:00 - [169]
 

Better news indeed.

Still yes / no would have been good enough.

Given the progression from no MT to Vanity MT taking approximately 1 year.

Im going out on a limb that we will need to make our voices heard once more.

In about one year.


Silas Cooper
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:30:00 - [170]
 

Edited by: Silas Cooper on 02/07/2011 17:31:13
We're back in business, Plex applied to one of my alt accounts (had 3 days left). If the non-vanity statement they made today would change we want to know AS it's in the planning stages, not when it's close to release as EVE is a long term game. I don't want to commit time&money to a product I can't believe in so I'd like to be told as it's being worked on.

We'll just have to trust CCP&CSM to keep us informed on this bit. And again; why was this so difficult for CCP to get it right in one go, last week? I'm still not entirely happy that Hilmar himself didn't step up, especially after that atrocious email of his.

P.S. The CSM's blog was much better in many ways than the CCP one, obviously have to discard the CSM's opinion on stuff but even then; way better.

Sister Ana
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:30:00 - [171]
 

Very satisfied. Good job!


Janos Saal
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:30:00 - [172]
 

Edited by: Janos Saal on 02/07/2011 17:31:43
I'm satisfied for now. Enough to resub my one account.
Any movement on this issue by CCP will prompt me to re-evaluate my position.

I expect CSM will be fully included in any future internal "debate" on these issues.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:31:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: CSM
We were pleased when Torfi announced that the current "Disabled Incarna Door" will be replaced with an environment that will provide similar functionality and performance to the pre-Incarna Hangar, and this environment will be available until Incarna performance is similar to pre-Incarna performance.
Missed the point much?

We wanted to choose when we disembarked, have you been reading the threads?

Robert, I'm disappointed.

Rixiu
The Inuits
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:31:00 - [174]
 

Not a step in the right direction more like the way you lift your feet before you take the step.

"I can tell you that this is one of the moments where I look at what CCP do and less of what they say." - Modified Hilmar quote.

tl;dr: not resubbing any of my accounts until shipspinning is back (how hard can it be?) because that is a real step in listening to the players and not just talk.

Inipinipocoloco
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:31:00 - [175]
 

sounds good, reads good

my subs will not be cancelled

but room for future tolerance became very very small

the band of trust between ccp and the eve community is under high tension now and it wont survive another debacle like this

but the community rocks!

eve forever 8)

Ban Doga
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:31:00 - [176]
 

Edited by: Ban Doga on 02/07/2011 17:31:16
Quote:
There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.


Does that mean the Ishukone Watch Scorpion that would have been spawned from the Nex-Store from nothing - that is, completely circumventing the whole player-driven economy - is not considered to be game breaking?

Does this imply that buying ships with standard characteristics directly from the store will be (re)introduced at some point, since this was planned and obviously CCP never planned to sell anything game breaking so doing this won't be game breaking?



Besides the return of ship spinning I fail to see anything new in there.
No idea why you think you accomplished anything with this stunt.

Rikon Nightroad
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:32:00 - [177]
 

Am I the only one that thought that the video was...weak? No real issues were really hit on. They gave a medium answer that they're not planning any evil shenanigans as far as the MT go, but how about CQ? How about performance?

The statement says that we'll be provided with "Similar" environments as the pre-Incarna Hanger. What if I want it back completely? What if the most I like out of the walking Avatars is his picture. I dont need any more than that. I -like- multiboxing on one machine.

I'm sure the majority of the people are glad that no gold ammo is being implemented. I'm happy with that issue as well. But considering how lacking the statement and the video were in other information, I'm disappointed.

John McCreedy
Caldari
Eve Defence Force
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:32:00 - [178]
 

Thank you for this blog and thank you to the CSM for their time and effort put in to this, especially since they had short notice. Thank you also to CCP for listening but we'll be judging you by your actions.

Couple of questions:

Quote:
The CSM helped CCP understand the emotional connection players had with „ship spinning". They vehemently demanded the return of the feature, which CCP committed to introduce in some form at a future date. Until that functionality is added back in, the option to load station environments will remain in the Settings menu.


This is a bit vague. Could it be explained, in lamens terms, why this cannot be quickly reintroduced and CQ be accessible only though an "exit" button, please?

Quote:
Captain's Quarters: We discussed the hardware and lighting issues within the CQ and we were satisfied that they were being addressed. We were pleased when Torfi announced that the current "Disabled Incarna Door" will be replaced with an environment that will provide similar functionality and performance to the pre-Incarna Hangar, and this environment will be available until Incarna performance is similar to pre-Incarna performance. While the final details and timelines have not been worked out, ships will once again spin all over New Eden.


This is even more vague. Can we have a follow up blog to outline what CCP have in mind, please?

Finally, CCP you might want to consider having a Community Manager whose talents lie in communication rather than programming. Being direct as Arnar is doesn't always come across well in text Smile

Athellant Nardieu
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:33:00 - [179]
 

If it's not against the NDA, can CCP or CSM explain this section more.

Quote:

We have expressed our deep concern about potential grey areas that the introduction of virtual goods permits, and CCP has made a commitment to discuss any proposals that might fall into these grey areas in detail with CSM at the earliest possible stage.



What grey areas were discussed? If the NEX store is to be kept just to vanity items (clothing and ship skins), there shouldn't be any grey areas.

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:33:00 - [180]
 

Originally by: Dryderian Vex
Edited by: Dryderian Vex on 02/07/2011 17:28:18
I am disappointed.

The statements in text and video from the "involved Parties" look like they are trying to walk through a minefield without hitting one. No clear statements without the words "at the moment", "intentions", "were and have no plans", "I think " -there will never be non vanity items in the NEX store is a statement that wasn't made.

A big bubble of nothingness which fits perfectly into the "line of events".

Nothing about the future of Eve.

So, we have now to trust some guys, called CSM, which know some things and say "The things we know are not bad, we've seen things and heard things."




Yeah its funny how all these people asying "YIPEE CCP ROCKS" seem to miss the glaringly obvious.

They actually think something other then BS PR was achieved.

Enjoy buying the snake oil. And enjoy the kool aid.


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