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Nika Maskirovka
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:19:00 - [121]

Edited by: Nika Maskirovka on 02/07/2011 17:20:57
It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.

The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time.

Lots of wiggle room here. What is an unfair advantage? I would also like to know exactly what CCP's definition of "game breaking" items are...
Just copy the big yellow question and answer with a "NO", please!

The CSM helped CCP understand the emotional connection players had with „ship spinning". They vehemently demanded the return of the feature, which CCP committed to introduce in some form at a future date.

I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what CCP do and less of what they say. (And on that note, it would have been nice to get a statement from CCP about the leaked email...)

Captain Futur3
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:19:00 - [122]

Edited by: Captain Futur3 on 02/07/2011 17:19:45
cause my other thread has been locked. I await an answer in this thread

I think a lot of people miss the quality of Eve expansions. We all know that most of the income we, the Eve players, bring CCP, is put into 2 other games and therefore Eve expansions are not even major patches of common other MMOs.
Shouldnt this change finally so that we can tell other non Eve players about the "2-free-expansions-a-year" feature without that they laugh at us?
A very clear indicator for how little CCP is working on Eve are:

- 1 out of 4 quarters in several years of developement in this expansion we were told years ago
- 2 new ship models in 3 expansions (scorp and maller)
- engine trails and old cyno effect need several expansion times to introduce while everyone (even CCP) want to bring them back
- sound engine and effects are poor

I understand that CCP wants to expand and that developing another game is a good way to do this, but actually it feels that all the 3 or 4 Eve developers are sitting somewhere in the basement with no light, slow PCs and 15" monitors, playing card games.

In the time where no Dust or WoD was on the horizon you managed to replace "ALL!!!" ship hulls, stations and star gates. Sure this has been done in more than one expansion developement time, but still, with the actual speed they wont be able to remodel only the cruiser class ships in the next 10 years and this simply feels as if we are paying for something that is dead already and no one cares about.


Saving Face
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:20:00 - [123]

Originally by: Nukleanis
If someone does something wrong, then they should apologise. Should we expect an apology anytime soon?

You're quoting the CSM part of the statement, Mittens can hardly apologise for Hilmar. The CCP part only acknowledged they could have handled communication after the leaks better.

Geminus Gateway
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:20:00 - [124]

Edited by: Ianus on 02/07/2011 17:20:40
Originally by: CCP
The CSM helped CCP understand the emotional connection players had with „ship spinning". They vehemently demanded the return of the feature, which CCP committed to introduce in some form at a future date. Until that functionality is added back in, the option to load station environments will remain in the Settings menu.

Make it within the next 2 months and save yet another subscription.
Also a devblog with details on "some form" would not go unrewarded. (with TP)

Edit: TP = Trust Points, obviously. Rolling Eyes

Bullets of Justice
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:20:00 - [125]

Originally by: Juan Sezole
Okay now someone please explain why, a week ago, this could not have been stated


Incarna launch
Storm hits
Hilmer tells everyone to hold firm
Finance starts to see the unsub numbers and tells them to sort it out
CCP folds

That is exactly what I think happened.

Anyway, water under the bridge at this point. Let's allow them the face-saving and and move on.

Arja Marketta
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:20:00 - [126]

Originally by: Skex Relbore
Re-consider the bans of prominent community members granting the same benefit of the doubt that you want us to grant you.

Seems reasonable.

Renan Ruivo
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:20:00 - [127]

I am glad that things were, so far as we can see, resolved at the extraordinary meeting. But there is still one question that makes some of us (and yes, not only me. Us. I've seen more than a fair share of people with the same question). Ship Spinning.

What we are basically asking for, is Dock > Hangar > Button to disembark (CQ). But, from my understanding of what was agreed upon, it is going to be Dock > Captain's Quarters > Option to go Ship Spinning?!

Is that it?

I hope not.. hope it was just a misunderstanding.. We don't want hangar view back because "ship spinning" was "kewl".

We want hangar view back because it was FAST. We could just dock; double-click our ship's for cargohold; drag ship from the Ship's Hangar to the main-screen to activate it; it made total sense; it didn't break immersion.

THEN, after we docked up and went to the hangar, if we wanted to enter Captain's Quarters we could just hit a "disembark" button.

"But then our players wouldn't have any real reason to enter the Captain's Quarters!!!". Well, we have no reason to BE at the Captain's Quarters at the moment.. because the Captain's Quarters doesnt do anything!

So i hope that CCP does NOT plans on bringing hangar view back, on the condition that one has to go through the Captain's Quarters FIRST, because not only would that be pointless, it would be an even further failure of communication/understanding on part of CCP. What we obvioulsy want is the other way around.

Dierdra Vaal
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:20:00 - [128]

It is comforting to see CCP hold true on their word and not extend the NeX past vanity items. It is however sad that it had to come to such a public outcry before this clear message was given - especially when CCP does have the CSM at their disposal (but for whatever reason did not use it).

I would like to know more details about what incarna related performance issues were discussed and what agreements were reached. A lot of players are reporting heating issues and significantly longer loading times, so this is an issue of real concern.

CCCP Supersmug
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:20:00 - [129]

CCP is now locking down all threads related to this. Time to silence the community eh ccp? "look no more massive threadnaughts, everyone is happy now" nice try gadaffi

Royal Star Ranger Family
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:21:00 - [130]

So is CCP going to take the CSM people more into the outcome of future expansions?
Because it is a good thing to see how it doesnt go well when there is a lack of communication ugh

Also, good calling of CCP to take the time with the CSM and tackle the situation.

Sister Bliss
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:21:00 - [131]

Thanks for the response, however I am shocked that it has taken this much furore and time (inc. an extraordinary summit) to respond to a series of very simple questions that could have been answered succinctly within 24 hours of this whole debacle occuring.

Furthermore I am hugely disappointed that although the MT issues have been somewhat addressed, there is no mention or discussion whatsoever of where the development/investment in Eve has gone and when we can look forward to fixes/content (of the spaceship flying variety).

Is 2013 still a fair assessment of when we can see any upgrades that are not walking in stations oriented?

Posted - 2011.07.02 17:21:00 - [132]

Edited by: RougeOperator on 02/07/2011 17:22:21
Response of CCP and CSM confirms that eve is dead. CSM are sellouts. Will not be re-subbing.


Yeah like there were no plans for MT at all.

For all that think this is the end. Its not its only the beginning. The crossed the line in the sand on to many times.

Moon Shadowfall
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:21:00 - [133]

Originally by: CCCP Supersmug
CCP is now locking down all threads related to this. Time to silence the community eh ccp? "look no more massive threadnaughts, everyone is happy now" nice try gadaffi

No links fromt he devblog to this thread.

It WOULD be nice if this sticky was in Gen where 98% of posts occur....

Posted - 2011.07.02 17:21:00 - [134]

Sandbox is safe. . I am satisfied.

So long as it stays that way I have no issues.

Thank you all for FINALLY reporting this.

Cashcow Golden Goose
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:21:00 - [135]

Originally by: Ensnry
Rejoice Brothers, This is a day we won against the tyranny!

What did you win?

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:21:00 - [136]

Most pleased to see that each and everyone of my predictions have come true, even the far-fetched "return of the spin".

Amazing what the analytical mind can do when following logic and common sense. Yeah, I am THAT good.

/me pats herself on the back.

PS: Exorbitantly priced goods are awesome, but not as only option at introduction.
Walk into any retail store and you see the same thing, smaller cheaper (the volume sales) are close to entrance and bigger more expensive stuff is further in (where escape from sales personnel is harder Smile).
That was the biggest and only failure as far as I am concerned.

Major Stallion
The Money Shot Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:22:00 - [137]

the only thing not well enough addressed for me is the high cost of NeX items. The NeX store still does not meet the definition of "microtransactions"

Atreus Venom
New Eden Hitmen
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:22:00 - [138]

Edited by: Atreus Venom on 02/07/2011 17:22:47
i might subscribe but perpetuum is really fun

Posted - 2011.07.02 17:22:00 - [139]

Originally by: Saving Face
So if there haven't been plans for non-vanity items, does that mean a spawnable golden Scorpion is not a vanity item even if the store can't do trade-ins yet?

That was a design defect, one they were fine pushing out because it wouldn't have mattered or been significant despite the fact that it magicked a ship into existence it was 'cool' with CCP. Plus it was 'fun' and people want to have 'fun' and CCP would be working on making that store work right sooner or later so no sweat. Rolling Eyes

Yoichiro Nambu
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:23:00 - [140]

well done i'd say

the only concern i have right now still is that leaked email from the ceo, but i guess i'll try just to forget i ever read it

Posted - 2011.07.02 17:23:00 - [141]


Sorry you went through hell with this, CCP, but hey, work on the communication and everything will be fine.


Paramount Commerce
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:23:00 - [142]

Release the Devs, We want to hear from the DevsVery Happy

Geminus Gateway
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:24:00 - [143]

Originally by: Arja Marketta
Originally by: Skex Relbore
Re-consider the bans of prominent community members granting the same benefit of the doubt that you want us to grant you.

Seems reasonable.


MoaR ChickeN
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:24:00 - [144]

/me is satisfied

Orpheus Ovid
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:24:00 - [145]

Thank you

Mail Lite
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:24:00 - [146]

o this isn't a troll.

The Dev Blog and CSM statement really did answer pretty much every question that the forum *****s like myself were worried about.

As long as you guys keep to your word and keep the NEX store as vanity only then I am more than happy to continue paying for my accounts.

However take this as a warning. The people that play EvE are not your general gamers, they put alot of work and effort into making this game what it is andhave quite an emotional attachment to it.

From the miners who supply the ore, the industralists who make the ships to the missioners who buy them and the PVP pilots who blow them up. It is a big circle of players that keeps this game running so well.

Make sure you communicate with us players and if we have a genuine conern that makes the whole shard universe shout in one voice that something needs to be done... Don't take a week to make it right.

I also hope that you understand that alot of people have invested alot of time into EvE online and would ask that you think about those who were banned for outbursts in this troubled time.

Helicity Boson for one. He has set up events within EvE that have made headlines and is a valuable asset to EvE and CCP and I hope that the ban can be lifted. I implore CCP to see that over the last week a number off emotions were running high and that you will grant those who spoke out passionatly leinency.

So again I say well done and thank you to the CSM and a well done to CCP (even though it took you a long time to get your act together) and I hope that you will reconsider some of the permanent exiles that have occured during this time.

Fly Dangerous o/

Mail Lite
Fla5hy Red

Dr Valeri
Royal Khanid Engineering
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:24:00 - [147]

Glad this worked out fine: no "gold ammo". Thanks CCP and the CSM!

Nex pricing, CQ, no spinning I couldn't care less about.

Now I am off to buy a monocle Cool

Ranka Mei
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:24:00 - [148]

Honestly, this blog far exceeded any expectation I had. I expecting more spinning (except ship spinning) and no straight answers. Instead we finally got an unequivocal answer to 'the big yellow question.' People will get their old hangar back, lower-priced items will appear in the NeX store, etc. Seriously, this was a dream come true.

No, I'm not that naive. I'm fair certain the CCP brass suffered a major disconnect with their playerbase, and that it took a near catastrophe for them to see it. But I'm also equally convinced they got the message.

To quote from the very applicable Portal song, Still Alive,

"This was a triumph. I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS!"

Posted - 2011.07.02 17:24:00 - [149]

Originally by: Anakin Pubcrawler
Partial victory - maybe. Too much trust has been lost. CCP are out of jail but on parole, they get no benefit of the doubt in future.

My main will resub - paying using a few plex in have in store not cash. Alts will remain unsubbed. At the first sign of a game effecting item in the MT store I walk without looking back or further comment.

Yeah its a load of crock and nothing of significance was achieved by the CSM other then showing us they can get drunk.

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:25:00 - [150]

A few days ago, I was asked what I predicted the outcome of all this to be.

Here was my reply:

What do I expect to happen next?

Fair question.

1: I expect at the CSM meeting some of the future plans for the NeX will be spelled out in more detail.

2: I expect that those future plans will include items/services that while not strictly non-vanity items are also far from pay-to-win scenario's. One example would be to use AURUM to buy player owned store fronts/bars where players can earn ISK from their establishments, or similar proposals. Thus explaining why there has been no blanket no non-vanity item statement as that would also cover those goods/services.

3: I expect them to firmly state that MT will remain part of their overall plan, and why.

4: I expect them to outline why the NeX items released so far are very high dollar. I suspect it has to do with keeping demand reasonable at first so as not to send too many ripples through the PLEX market.

5: I expect them to reinforce that the views of the player base do have value to them, and point out some of the many examples where they have heeded that advice. I would also not be surprised if they (hopefully tactfully, LOL) pointed out that while the feedback has value, it can not be allowed to directly dictate corporate policy. I also expect them to point out the reason for Hilmar's email, that the only feedback they can really rely on in this situation is what the players do... mainly because of the heavy trolling that has been occurring on the forums surrounding this issue on both sides.

6: I expect them to give a rough timeline of the next steps in the MT process. At least as far as they can without compromising themselves through any possible leaks to their competition.

7: And finally (yes this is cynical and catty of me) I expect that as this information is revealed part of the forum community will declare victory and pat themselves on the back for keeping CCP in line. I expect the rest of the forum community to get to work trying their best to theory craft the worst possible what-if scenarios possible... partially out of habit, partially to preserve their sense of dignity.

That's the main points, we'll see how close I am when it's over.

Pretty darn close if I do say so myself, especially my last point.

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