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Anakin Pubcrawler
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:13:00 - [91]

Partial victory - maybe. Too much trust has been lost. CCP are out of jail but on parole, they get no benefit of the doubt in future.

My main will resub - paying using a few plex in have in store not cash. Alts will remain unsubbed. At the first sign of a game effecting item in the MT store I walk without looking back or further comment.

Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:13:00 - [92]

big wall of text, hardly any content

when is pvp getting fixed?


Sven Jaeger
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:13:00 - [93]

Satisfied. Will resub.

Van Doren
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:13:00 - [94]


Fremen Sietch
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:14:00 - [95]

Nice to see resolution at last. Still, for a sufficently paranoid reader the statement from CCP leaves a clear loophole


It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.

this essentialy means that a HeX store next door to NeX is not in any way bound by this statement.

I would say this need some more rewriting

Elite Predators
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:14:00 - [96]

I'm glad everything has been settled and I do hope you guys stick to your word! But I have to say, now how was that so hard?

Anyways all hail the CSM! Damn fine job, and I hope CCP lives up to what they are saying. Good job on all fronts in proper communication. Now keep it up!

Posted - 2011.07.02 17:14:00 - [97]

I am disappointed to have waited all this time for CCP to bring the CSM there to make promises that are only worth the time they last before CCP goes back on them.

I'd imagine that the delay was to build up 'evidence' that they had no plans for non vanity items or proof that they were 'debating' non vanity items as an intellectual point for no reason other than fun. Time and money, man hours, etc wasted in thought exercises about EVE, Dust, WOD for nothing. No mention from CCP about the Email message and the tone it conveyed about the view of players when added to all we've seen is terribly disappointing.

I'd add all that time to get their messaging right and they've still left many things vague instead of saying we never want to introduce pay for advantage or build up convenience service sales, they tie it conditionally to the NEX store. Would *I* be satisfied if they had been that clear in telling us their vision of EVE and what it should and will NEVER be, probably not, after all I will look to what they DO and not what they SAY.

I see no mention of the $99 fiasco, the gold scorpion, or answers to why CCP ignored or decided to not make use of the CSM in getting some feedback as to their 'awesome' and 'fun' plans.

TLDR: Lots of fluff, almost no real answers, but the 'promise' so many addicts to EVE have been begging for. Here's hoping the game I love doesn't have its days numbered.

Kumq uat
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:15:00 - [98]

Re-Subbed but still not trusting. Part of me feels like the girl who gets beaten by her boyfriend and then comes back when he promises he will change. Don't hit us again!

Sha Dar
eXceed Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:15:00 - [99]

and this environment will be available until Incarna performance is similar to pre-Incarna performance.

Clarification required !!

Does that mean once performance is seen as similar, the option will be removed and we will after all be FORCED to use CQ ???

Gloria Stitz
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:16:00 - [100]

-2 accounts

CQ isn't being made permanently optional :(

No guarantee on p2w

No commitment on improving the real gameplay, just more barbie in space

24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:16:00 - [101]

Good job, but can you take the silly music (muzak) out of the backgound of the video, it makes the video seem more like some kind of love scene rather than a sober, bland discussion. Did you want it to seem like it was recorded in an elevator?

The CSM's also claimed to have discussed the $99 developers fee, can we get a little more detail about this issue as neither statements address it.

Posted - 2011.07.02 17:16:00 - [102]

Originally by: Dracnys
VERY happy to see this end well. Great job by both the CSM and CCP for clearing up the mess after the Incarna release. EVE has been through many valleys and this is the deepest but it's driven by so many people's deep passion that it'll master all challenges.
EVE forever!

Thank you CCP and CSM for clearing this up, and thank you for ensuring no "pay-to-win" tactics will be implemented.

Mr R4nd0m
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:16:00 - [103]

so please answer

When are you going to actually work on eve and bring out decent expansions, rather than spending all OUR money on WoD and Dust?
When are you going to FIX eve?
Why wasnt the financial situation addressed?

sick of this NDA crap..basically as always everything gets brushed under the carpet...

State Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:16:00 - [104]

You guys make me very, very happy. Re-subbing. Also, I'll buy at least one thing from the NEX store. Cool

Andreas Finn
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:16:00 - [105]

I would like to thank the CSM members for taking the time to fly out to Iceland on our behalf and represent our views, and also to thank CCP for resolving this issue via the CSM. We all know how chaotic and single-issue the forums can become, and if the CSM/CCP meeting has cut through some of the noise and addressed real (i.e of concern to many rather than the vocal few) issues, then it has served it's purpose well.

Personally I think that the Vanity/Advantage issue was at the core of the Incarna protests, and I am satisfied that the CSM/CCP have reached an understanding regarding the playerbase's feelings on this one. As a single client user I cannot comment on the issues with multi-client performance, but it seems that this also has been addressed to some extent.

Good job all.Smile

Cade Windstalker
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:16:00 - [106]

*Slow clap*

Very nice, good to see this **** storm wrapped up better and more quickly than the one about a year ago.

Feature request: Get the head of the CSM an easy button for this stuff.

Neville Smit
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:16:00 - [107]

It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.

I am satisfied.

Kudos to the CSM for representing the views of EVE players.

Inka Tsarifi
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:17:00 - [108]

So buying time with your carefully worded answer... I'm still out.

Eriam JH
Kingfisher Industries
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:17:00 - [109]

Why--exactly--did this take 1-1/2 weeks? Oh well, good enough for me. Resubbing account X 3.

Alexandra Alt
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:17:00 - [110]

"There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store." The crux is, there is no statement if there WILL be, I'm pleased with the meeting and the statement, though, still vague as to what future holds regarding the NeX store and non-vanity items. Judging from the video, I can only understand there was negotiation, therefore, intention of things CCP wanted to implement and CSM wouldn't want to or vice versa, and my 'Conspiracy Theory' side of myself allied to the omission of the 'There will be no plans for game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store' in the oficial statement leave me to believe in the long run that's what we will see. My hopeful and naive side of me hopes my 'Conspiracy Theory' side is wrong....

Ra Vhim
Black Bag Ops
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:17:00 - [111]

I am ok with this. Good work CSM. It isn't all I hoped for but it is enough. The really important thing is that we don't get non-vanity items. I will wait for a while before I resub, I want to see ship-spinning and future blogs explaining more about the NEX. Even if things sounds good, this far it's just words.

BTW, the video was a good idea IMO.

Ehnea Mehk
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:17:00 - [112]

I'm satisfied with the announcement and congratulate both CCP and CSM for tackling the issues. I hope this serves as the starting point to a better relationship with us players.


Saving Face
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:18:00 - [113]

So if there haven't been plans for non-vanity items, does that mean a spawnable golden Scorpion is not a vanity item even if the store can't do trade-ins yet?

Skex Relbore
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:18:00 - [114]

Ok while I'm overall satisfied with this outcome. I am disappointed that we didn't get answers to the question of freeing the political prisoners (Particularly Helicity since DIAF is no more a threat than telling someone to **** off.).
No good definition of what they consider vanity no assurance of how they're going to avoid the slippery slope.

I'm also less than pleased that no mention was made of the reducing of the 50 saved fits limit in the Fitting Management tool. I find this one particularly annoying since it has had a serious negative affect on my enjoyment of the game and CCP has never addressed this pointlessly impractical limit then to see it mentioned in the Fearless document as a potential opportunity to bilk us for more money both confirmed that CCP was well aware of the problem and rather than doing the logical thing and upping the limit they were instead saving it as a feature they could charge for.

My accounts will remain unsubbed for the time being, I'd just had a 3 month subscription renew a couple days prior to the Incarna release so I'll be keeping a close eye on how CCP moves forward from here to use in my decision making process when the time to resub comes up.

To CCP here are two things I'd still like to see dealt with.

Saved fitting limit in fitting management bump it up to something reasonable.

Re-consider the bans of prominent community members granting the same benefit of the doubt that you want us to grant you.

Falcon Advanced Industries
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:18:00 - [115]

The Leaked Hilmar Global Email: We were appalled by the leaked Hilmar email and the atrocious and out-of-touch messaging it contained. We sympathize and agree with those players offended and disgusted by it.

Great, but sympathy doesn't make anyone want to invest time and effort into an MMO. If someone does something wrong, then they should apologise. Should we expect an apology anytime soon?

And what about the entire introduction of MT to begin with? We were told that MT would never come to EVE, and now it is here, how are we to believe that CCP won't simply 180 on the promises made in this statement like they did with MT? How can we hold CCP to their word when MT still exists within EVE and now the CSM are on board with it?

Each monocle sold is not only a reminder of a broken promise, but a $60 exercise in the delusional belief that a virtual monocle is just as important and valuable as a real one.

Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:18:00 - [116]

This still doesn't sit well with me. Primarily because the lack of dealing with the leaked email. Csm had a brief bit in their statement about disappointment with it but nothing more. Even with everything else that was clarified and said the guy at the top is always going to be the one that drives the company vision. How can you honestly expect things to run smoother in the future when hilmar is still there? While this may quell a lot of fears it hasn't quelled mine. Good luck.

Cashcow Golden Goose
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:18:00 - [117]

Originally by: CCP
It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.

That's exactly what you said before "Fearless" too. CCP Soundave designer "In Space" and massive force for MT. Well, I guess nothing changed.

Elite Predators
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:19:00 - [118]

Edited by: St''oto on 02/07/2011 17:22:41
I will say though that I'm still a bit hesitant on believing them. But I guess time will tell. I have one account subbed and I'll wait awhile before my second account becomes active.

EDIT: When is the skills gonna be fixed? Both of my accounts are mainly PVP toons so I would like to be able to..... you know.... pew pew ****.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:19:00 - [119]

Awww, you locked 'the thread' just a few posts shy of 500. Tsk.

Warmaster Abaddonn
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:19:00 - [120]

Ban Riverini!

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