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Eterna Unum
Posted - 2011.07.03 08:22:00 - [871]
 

Originally by: Inspiration

Good...where do you live?

I kill idiots as an in-game hobby and it looks like you will become a precious resource in the not so distant future.


Careful, I hear they ban for talk like that now. Or was that only when speaking about CCP employees? Locator agent and podding is much more fun given the options available to all of us in EVE.

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.07.03 08:29:00 - [872]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Feisty Cadavar
If this was a product I designed - I'd probably have something like you dock up, and you see from the inside of the ship out to the hangar deck with a camera flying around your ship displaying your current ship ( that you can spin ).


And that's precisely what's wrong with the old hangar: it's not based on the new balcony area where your ship currently floats. So, just putting the old one back, and then have you dock to quarters and find yourself in an entirely different hangar, that's just immersion-breaking on a grotesque level.

Just give 'em some time to come up with a new spinning design.

Oddly enough, the new hangar bay past the balcony is actually the old hangar environment. Take a look. It's even still dependent on the race of the station. It's really funny to see a Gallente or Caldari or Amarr hangar interior connected to a Minmatar room as it is now.

Lord Kreza
Posted - 2011.07.03 08:34:00 - [873]
 

Thank you CSM!

uncloned
Posted - 2011.07.03 08:37:00 - [874]
 

nice work, congrats to ccp and mostly to the CSM!

any news about the exchange "pimped ship for arum" vs "pimped ship for arum+classic ship" ?

Herring
Caldari
Pimpology
Posted - 2011.07.03 08:38:00 - [875]
 

Originally by: Vandrion
Edited by: Vandrion on 02/07/2011 16:51:51
Edited by: Vandrion on 02/07/2011 16:47:38
"It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store."

You said the same thing last year about ALL forms of micro transactions.... What is the expiration date associated with the above statement??

http://i.imgur.com/f5Cq5.jpg

This, frankly. I'm not quite convinced.


Edit to add the link for the actual forum thread:

Original statement of no MT by CCP





Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.03 08:45:00 - [876]
 

Originally by: Khamal Jolstien
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
During one of the dinners, a CCP dev made exactly this point -- that if it was game-affecting and disconnected from the player economy, then P2W alarm bells should go off.


Which specific CCP dev said this? And why wasn't there a commitment to no future "non-vanity" MTs?

It was told to me by CCP Noneofyourbusiness. Twisted Evil

See my blog posting for my opinion as to why CCP did not want to say "never".

Originally by: Darkside007
"The CSM, under NDA, has been presented with CCP‘s plans for continued evolution of the business model and agrees that nothing they saw breaks this principle"

Including "Under NDA" tells me that the CSM cannot contradict anything CCP, even if it's BS. =\

Not so. We can most certainly tell you it is BS, we just can't tell you the details -- size, consistency, stench, etc. -- of the BS.

Originally by: I'thari
(about the hangar going away) you already lost this one. When work is almost done they won't change their mind, ever... no matter what they say.

I don't think so. They have to implement a new "temporary" hangar view using the Incarna engine in order to deal with the performance issues and meet their original functionality commitment to CSM and the community.

Then, at such time as they can meet that commitment in the CQ, they want to remove this "temporary" hangar. We all disagree with this last step, and will do our best to change their minds. We will just keep bugging them about it, and hopefully they will make it permanent just to get us to "STFU, already".

Marbella Wilson
Posted - 2011.07.03 08:45:00 - [877]
 

This statement is about as much as we could hope for.

Doesn't take away the fact that we've had a lot of crappy expansions, most of the development time is dedicated to Incarna, WOD and Dust. The space game has been pretty much ignored. I don't like the direction CCP is going at all.


Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.07.03 08:50:00 - [878]
 

Originally by: Dodgy Past
Edited by: Dodgy Past on 03/07/2011 01:17:16
Edited by: Dodgy Past on 03/07/2011 01:16:32
6-8 months before news of MT for convenience ( which will be abused into MT for advantage ) leaks out and we have another explosion of rage.

It's somewhat ironic that the only thing the document successfully communicates is that CCP knows they're not very good at communication. Oscillating between no non-vanity MTs and no game breaking MTs in the same document with no definition of what a non game breaking MT is Rolling Eyes

The CSM went to Iceland knowing what the players needed to hear yet CCP managed to hurf blurf them so that the reality is not only has the faith of many player in CCP not been restored but also CSM 6 has also managed to tarnish itself as well.

From what I've seen many players are far from ready to reinvest themselves in Eve having broken their emotional attachment to the game over the last couple of weeks.

'many', but not necessarily 'a majority'. If you don't want to believe "Fearless" is toilet paper, that's fine. I'm willing to see it their way... for now. Realize most all of us are watching them closely, regardless of whether we believe the joint statement or not.

Sanphesta
Posted - 2011.07.03 09:06:00 - [879]
 

Dear seeseepee,

while im delighted with your intent to return ship spinning i still have issues with how eve is being developed. Yada yada yada, i mad.

In conclusion, we the players still want to burn something. If you could send out one of your sound guys that will be enough for now (trust me hes not doing a thing anyway)

Sincerely
ME

seriously though, 3 years to replace my ship spinning with a wall? THREE YEARS TO REPLACE IT WILL A WALL?

legal disclaimer- the above mentioned "burn something" followed by a request for certain employees to be sent out should not be taken as a rl threat....
It is more of a rephrasing of the "eve has sound?" meme weve grown to love.
perhaps now that my wall has been completed you could spend the next three years on something shooty shooty ship related? Perhaps even put some sound effects in that dont make me want to destroy my speakers...

Signal11th
Posted - 2011.07.03 09:08:00 - [880]
 

Edited by: Signal11th on 03/07/2011 09:11:56

TL DR

Geezer was ****ed off that someone leaked an internal mail, decided to take it out on player base.
No offense but the "abuse of trust" this is usually a whistleblower who actually gives a sh.ite about something that he/she
isn't happy about and feel no other way of communicating it.
No game breaking items will be introduced but if they are CSM will be the first to know about it.

That was about it and people are saying thanks for that????
Jesus some people are easily pleased.

Inspiration
Posted - 2011.07.03 09:09:00 - [881]
 

Edited by: Inspiration on 03/07/2011 09:11:24
Originally by: Alejan Gerakh
Originally by: The Offerer
But what advantage? Smile
It's a win-win-win scenario.Very Happy It's so cool that it's bigger than bi-winning... it's tri-winning.Cool



Except that he is wrong, he describes how PLEX works now. While AUR is derived from PLEX, the real life currency competes feeding it with the already existing use of PLEX. Buying game time, meaning higher PLEX prices and likely less active accounts!

So that win/win/win, turns into a win/tie/loose situation. Where the win is the buyer, the tie is CCP and the looser is everyone not involved in the transaction. All based on how rich you are in RL, so it is detrimental for the game as a whole.

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.07.03 09:10:00 - [882]
 

Originally by: rantuket
I have been waiting with bated breathe on the results from this only to be left a little shocked. Why it took so long to say "nope, no plans on doing that at all" took so long is beyond me.

But for all the recent hubub about the nex store and the way CCP is taking EVE - this while incident - was a wake up call for me and many others. I personally dont give a **** about MT, but I do care about EVE and for now it seems like that game is on hold until incarna is fully released over the next few updates.

CCP, you wont have my subs back until you change course and go back to fixing your spaceship game.

This is the sort of position I can fully respect, and fully expect, from EVE expansions. Good journey to you, sir, and hope to pew pew with you one day.

Luna Nera
Posted - 2011.07.03 09:10:00 - [883]
 

thanks for the post and clarifications Navigator

now im curious about NEX "ship skin" Very Happy

Mr Binkins
Posted - 2011.07.03 09:12:00 - [884]
 

Ship spinning? Are you people serious? Why is that even an issue? Click on info and then click the picture and you can spin your ship all you like. The station environment is great. It does hang a tiny tiny bit on my 5 year old PC when I run two accounts on two screens but nothing compared to some ****tier made MMO's. For example, I have trouble running APB on just one screen. WTF are you guys trying to run EVE on? A Commodore 64? The fact that people can run two instances of the EVE with an older PC at all is testament to CCP. Captain's Quarters is great. I'm looking forward to walking in stations, and I'm sure CCP will do a great job of that.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.07.03 09:13:00 - [885]
 

Edited by: Mag''s on 03/07/2011 09:23:02
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: I'thari
(about the hangar going away) you already lost this one. When work is almost done they won't change their mind, ever... no matter what they say.

I don't think so. They have to implement a new "temporary" hangar view using the Incarna engine in order to deal with the performance issues and meet their original functionality commitment to CSM and the community.

Then, at such time as they can meet that commitment in the CQ, they want to remove this "temporary" hangar. We all disagree with this last step, and will do our best to change their minds. We will just keep bugging them about it, and hopefully they will make it permanent just to get us to "STFU, already".
You gained nothing, we are left with the same as now, no choice.
Are you really trying to have us believe, that we shouldn't worry because they will eventually let us have a choice? You couldn't even get them to agree to making it optional, after all that has occurred over the past week.

Disingenuous blog is disingenuous.

Inspiration
Posted - 2011.07.03 09:18:00 - [886]
 

Originally by: Eterna Unum
Originally by: Inspiration

Good...where do you live?

I kill idiots as an in-game hobby and it looks like you will become a precious resource in the not so distant future.


Careful, I hear they ban for talk like that now. Or was that only when speaking about CCP employees? Locator agent and podding is much more fun given the options available to all of us in EVE.



I am unlikely to get banned for role playing, now am I? This is EVE for crying out loud, it is rough, bloody, violent and immersing. Strong talk is part of this experience and the forums are part of it!

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.07.03 09:26:00 - [887]
 

Originally by: Darkside007
"It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store."

When President Bush was planning on invading Iraq, his response when asked was "There are no plans on my desk". Which was true - the plans were kept away from the final review/signature stage to avoid answering "yes". Once the plan was ready, it was implentmented. It wasn't allowed to sit idle to avoid lying to the press.

"There are no plans" isn't "We will not". It's "We would like to in the future."

"Arnar, as Senior Producer of EVE, is on record as saying he opposes the introduction of game-breaking stuff like P2W into EVE."
Originally by: Darkside007
"The CSM, under NDA, has been presented with CCP‘s plans for continued evolution of the business model and agrees that nothing they saw breaks this principle"

Including "Under NDA" tells me that the CSM cannot contradict anything CCP, even if it's BS. =\

I'm pretty sure I remember seeing the CSM say that they're quite willing to break NDA if they think CCP is BS.

kthxbai

AngelFood
Posted - 2011.07.03 09:29:00 - [888]
 

As a vet (not bitter-although i'm a little bitter about this new phrase bittervet) and a solo player i trust the core of ccp where every aspect of this game is concerned that is the icelandic core of ccp of course. I don't vote for csm becuase i don't think we need it and i don't think csm will be fair because most of the ppl who really play the game trust ccp too and don't want power block americans influencing them. anyway i digress.

Amongst all these silly protests where there was x amount of ppl in jita and amar and so on .. was 2k ppl? in each so not much more than normally and most not involved really and that leaves say 40k players not even in those systems not caring a jot about these ridiculous goon style protests. like me i dont care it was all a misunderstanding anyway .. and just more of the same american teen inhibition spilling into real life.
ban them all simple.

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.07.03 09:37:00 - [889]
 

Originally by: Lemming Lass
I can access the NeX store without loading the CQ, and that store should be filled with ship painting and other vanity crap that has nothing to do with WiS clothing.

Emphasis added, for your benefit.

Laurent Detoile
Posted - 2011.07.03 09:37:00 - [890]
 

I've never ever written a single comment in the forum, even though I've been - with one account or the other - dwelling in New Eden for about 4 years, but now I feel like I have to make a statement:

To CCP Zulu, Flying Scotsman and Soundwave, I want to express that you are making by far the best sci-fi game our real planet has to offer, and you've managed to keep it exciting and thrilling ever since I saw the first eve online advert. May be the past few weeks had their pretty hard moments, but I am absolutely sure that there is a "silent majority" that either hasn't heard of the "comm problems" that were in the news, or doesn' care because they are too busy PLAYING the most awesome game ever to be created. I'm here because of one fact: EVE is fun. Lots of it. Thanks to you and your visions! So keep it up, maybe make some adjustments following the outcome of the CSM/CCP meeting, but please, I beg I beg (and I won't stop begging) you: Don't forget that you are making a brilliant, visionary game that we all are enthusiastic about, and don't stop being among the very most creative and innovative minds in the industry.

I salute you!

Jakarra Ruus
Caldari
PWNED Factor
Posted - 2011.07.03 09:39:00 - [891]
 

I dont see why they cant permanatly have a door to the station spinning hanger to keep all us old farts happy its not as if its going to take up much more resourses just bang an other door in the wall, and thats dead easy if you listen to my wife : )

Zakota Vertidei
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.03 09:42:00 - [892]
 

Originally by: Laurent Detoile
I've never ever written a single comment in the forum, even though I've been - with one account or the other - dwelling in New Eden for about 4 years, but now I feel like I have to make a statement:

To CCP Zulu, Flying Scotsman and Soundwave, I want to express that you are making by far the best sci-fi game our real planet has to offer, and you've managed to keep it exciting and thrilling ever since I saw the first eve online advert. May be the past few weeks had their pretty hard moments, but I am absolutely sure that there is a "silent majority" that either hasn't heard of the "comm problems" that were in the news, or doesn' care because they are too busy PLAYING the most awesome game ever to be created. I'm here because of one fact: EVE is fun. Lots of it. Thanks to you and your visions! So keep it up, maybe make some adjustments following the outcome of the CSM/CCP meeting, but please, I beg I beg (and I won't stop begging) you: Don't forget that you are making a brilliant, visionary game that we all are enthusiastic about, and don't stop being among the very most creative and innovative minds in the industry.

I salute you!


o7 x one million

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.07.03 09:53:00 - [893]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 03/07/2011 04:03:00
Where is Hilmar's committment?

Not worth the paper it's written on I'm sorry to say.

edit: Actually, this is **** poor. "We just didn't communicate".

No. You PLANNED. You made CLEAR STATEMENTS showing you were focusing on SHINNY because the STATS showed more sales.

"Arnar, as Senior Producer of EVE, is on record as saying he opposes the introduction of game-breaking stuff like P2W into EVE."

But I figure you already quit the game, so:

kthxbai

Inspiration
Posted - 2011.07.03 09:55:00 - [894]
 

Edited by: Inspiration on 03/07/2011 10:06:40
Originally by: Laurent Detoile
So keep it up, maybe make some adjustments following the outcome of the CSM/CCP meeting, but please, I beg I beg (and I won't stop begging) you: Don't forget that you are making a brilliant, visionary game that we all are enthusiastic about, and don't stop being among the very most creative and innovative minds in the industry.

I salute you!


Implementing a MT shop because so may other games are doing it is creative and visionary? Please try to convince me of this!

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.07.03 09:56:00 - [895]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
what a huge pain in the ass this all was. just got back home.

as i said before, this whole mess could have been prevented with better communication from ccp, which is the company's achilles heel. i'm glad that we were able to help clarify things and that the spectre of gold ammo and gold ships and lowes in space can be put to rest, beyond the easily-trolled conspiracy theorist fringe who'll sperg out no matter who says what

now i'm going to go to sleep for a week. at least in wisconsin the sun goes down X(



Telling it like it is. Still want to pod Goons.

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.07.03 09:59:00 - [896]
 

Originally by: Slidepot
My one and only questions is... Was there any and I mean any interest show by the Ginger at the top.. Any? Did he stop by and say Hi? If not this whole :effort: was just a bandaid... IMO

Originally by: The Mittani
what a huge pain in the ass this all was. just got back home.

as i said before, this whole mess could have been prevented with better communication from ccp, which is the company's achilles heel. i'm glad that we were able to help clarify things and that the spectre of gold ammo and gold ships and lowes in space can be put to rest, beyond the easily-trolled conspiracy theorist fringe who'll sperg out no matter who says what

now i'm going to go to sleep for a week. at least in wisconsin the sun goes down X(




Have you not read? They met with his @$$. I think I'll take a page from The Mittani and say I can't be arsed to find it for you, though.

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.07.03 10:02:00 - [897]
 

Originally by: Vandrion
I recommend reading to you....

As I have said once before in this thread-- The posts by CCP Shadow speak of MT as a whole.. If it was only skill points he would have said "No MT for skill points".

I will copy and paste Post #20 in that thread so you can read it again:

"No. There are no microtransaction plans, whatsoever. I wrote "in this case" because this extended downtime was an unusual situation. It's not every day we relocate our servers to a new facility."

Whatsoever.... Skillpoints... 2 totally different words.....

I would like CSM/CCP to explain/define gamebreaking (per CCP statement) and game altering (per CSM statement). I think it is imporatant for all of us to know that the CSM, the players and CCP are all on the same page......

I also recommend reading... my new sig...

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.07.03 10:09:00 - [898]
 

Originally by: Helena Russell Makanen
Originally by: Poll
FIX LAG in large unit combat. That is what we should be truly outraged about....


But they are 'fixing it'... they are going to slow down the battles to run in slow motion. That will fix everything! Rolling Eyes

Of course they will never put that item in their 'grand battle' promo videos. Why?

Because its lame and stupid.

Even they've admitted it's a stop-gap, a band-aid. Of course, you are welcome to believe whatever you want.

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.07.03 10:15:00 - [899]
 

Originally by: d4shing
Originally by: The Mittani
what a huge pain in the ass this all was. just got back home.

as i said before, this whole mess could have been prevented with better communication from ccp, which is the company's achilles heel. i'm glad that we were able to help clarify things and that the spectre of gold ammo and gold ships and lowes in space can be put to rest, beyond the easily-trolled conspiracy theorist fringe who'll sperg out no matter who says what

now i'm going to go to sleep for a week. at least in wisconsin the sun goes down X(




I think they communicated pretty clearly that they want more of our money but that they don't want to have to earn it by making the game more enjoyable to play.

They even communicated that they're happy to consider making the game worse in the long-run if it wrings out more cash in the short term.

I don't think the problem was that they didn't communicate this in a sufficiently gentle manner.

Oh, I'm sorry. Someone trying to be sincere, and there even being a video to display the body language of sincerity, is obviously "UNACCEPTABLE!"

Surely that's not evidence that the toilet rag is a toilet rag.

Lederstrumpf
Posted - 2011.07.03 10:15:00 - [900]
 

Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
The art department dictates (as they always have) what is acceptable and not. [..] As far as I know they do not plan to accept player-generated textures or models.


So it's fear of competition rather than enhancing EVE what drives them.


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