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Wingi
Amarr
The Wolfhounds
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:02:00 - [61]
 

You have definitely clarified your position, its too late for me, that does not mean that i distrust what you say i guess i have been unhappy with the direction of eve since the announcement of dust. Plus i have found another home, i do believe you need a good competitor for the sake of eve and sandbox mmo's in general. My 3 accounts still go, but i think you have done enough to save the game well done CSM and CCP :)

Fly safe...

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:03:00 - [62]
 

Where did you say the video was?

Ifly Uwalk
Caldari
Concentrated Evil
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:03:00 - [63]
 

Quote:
It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only.

I'll look at what you do, rather than what you say.

Also: is complete communications phailure an Icelandic thing maybe? Do peeps not talk to each other there? Or are they always drunk when they do? Right now, cultural differences are p much the only thing that can explain this total ****-up imo.

Rrama Ratamnim
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:03:00 - [64]
 

#1 thing that CCP needs to do is CUT BACK ON DEV BLOG RED TAPE!

Honestly theres seems to be something really holding back on information, why arent there more frequent open communication devblogs of things coming/changing?

This seems to be the roof of the problem, theres nothing wrong with ccp or eve but theres a lack of community communication... like these upcoming devblogs, will those be weeks from now?

Wheres the timeline for incarna roll out of the rest of the features even ballpark figures?

Mitchello
B O R G
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:04:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Mitchello on 02/07/2011 17:12:55
Commendable, very much so.

I still have concerns over the absence of the topic of convenience items, since that is both the commercial escape option as well as still suffering from unclarity about definitions which can confuse people along the road as they are introduced. But, it is a good step in the direction.

It speaks for CCP's values that they engaged in this. Yes, they had to due to commercial dependancy, but still, they could have just said "our way or the highway". And they didn't.

It saddens me that there is still a level of spin involved. On the newsletter topic, I can imagine how hard that hit as that got personal, completely understandable. But most of us know what kind of instrument such newsletters are for, particularly in this industry. They guide mindset, awareness, adoption of concepts & buzzwords and creative direction among employees. Especially in this industry.

But, you know, that is fine. One big lesson here, is that there has grown quite a distance between the parts of this huge and amazing triangle of CCP / EVE / Customers. That cuts in all ways, we have seen that, and I do hope that we all have seen that now.

As for the communicative challenges, yeah it's beyond clear now that the external and internal communicative hiccups have resulted in this mess. It is a shame, we saw last year another big issue with that and these matters really are entirely avoidable without painful lessons. But I hope that this gets picked up on, and capitalised on.

Why? Because Hilmar was right. EVE is an emergant dynamic. And we're all in it. Customers and CCP. Communication among us and between us is vital to the synergy and balance in growth, adoption and direction of EVE.

This cannot have been easy, respect.

Taladool
Minmatar
JIta-Hosting
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:04:00 - [66]
 

Quote:
It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.


I underlined the important part. They just say they don't plan it. Doesn't mean they wont plan it later.

Adrie Atticus
Mining and Industrial Services
The Irukandji
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:05:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Windjammer
Where did you say the video was?


It was embedded on the blog itself, copied a link for you if you can't see it: Linkage

Kitsune Sakai
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:05:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Rrama Ratamnim
Originally by: Kitsune Sakai
Quote:
It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.


Not good enough. Why the heck use an adjective like "game breaking" when you don't have to? Obviously CCP did this to get some wiggle-room.

So my 3*15€ won't reach CCPs pockets next month.


Nit picky much.... game breaking changes such as P2W items are what we all were *****ing about, get a life


When dealing with people who have been demonstrably disrespecting you in the past, you can't depend on them being honest. Wording then comes important. The wording is totally unnecessary unless they wanted to leave some wriggle-room..

KrustyKrab
Can We Haz Your Stuff
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:05:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: KrustyKrab on 02/07/2011 17:09:44
Well...I'm ok with this. CCP will be on 'probation' with me for a bit, but I think I'm satisfied enough with this to continue playing a bit. Might not resub the 3 accounts that have already expired for a bit, but that leaves me with 4 to tool around in for the moment.

I'll probably still play Perpetuum for a while, I'm digging that game. We'll see how everything goes. At least we've had a decent reply to majority of our concerns.

Game on I suppose...

edit: sweet, post #69!

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:05:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: Razin on 02/07/2011 17:42:16

Originally by: CCP Zulu
The CSM helped CCP understand the emotional connection players had with „ship spinning". They vehemently demanded the return of the feature, which CCP committed to introduce in some form at a future date.

I guess I shouldn't have expected too much out of a bunch of space nerds being flown to Iceland; however I didn't think that negotiating a simple schedule for a no-brainer feature with minimum dev resource requirements should have been up to their abilities. No?

Turns out that in RL our 0.0 reps couldn't negotiate their way out of a wet paper sack. How disappointing.

P.S. Ok, I'm off to update the cc info in my account that has run out.

Gooey Kablooie
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:06:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: Gooey Kablooie on 02/07/2011 17:06:12
Just resubbed my 2 unsubbed accounts. Thanks CCP and CSM.

Next time CCP, would it hurt to be a little proactive instead of reactive?

Edit: Oh bloody hell, used the wrong alt. Oh well.

Logan LaMort
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:06:00 - [72]
 

Satisfied with this outcome, will see what the future holds but I'm hopeful.

Soddington Smythe
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:07:00 - [73]
 

Great to hear there's to be no game changing MT.
A bit puzzled why it took a week,a dozen airfares to Iceland and some translators to say it though.

A sorry or two thrown in as well wouldn't have hurt.
But all in all peace returns to EVE and the scammers and griefers can get on with business.

Goodwill City
Amarr
The Society of Goodwill
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:07:00 - [74]
 

Sanity prevails. The video is a good touch - you should do more CSM v CCP face-off videos like this Very Happy

Raging George
Caldari
Raging Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:07:00 - [75]
 

Yay! Don't have to quit my favorite video game now!

Now back to the grinder and get the rest of Incarna out so we can do something other than walk in circles and find agents easier.

And keep fixing flying in space!

Sticky Hamster
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:07:00 - [76]
 

Edited by: Sticky Hamster on 02/07/2011 17:48:02
Edited by: Sticky Hamster on 02/07/2011 17:14:38
Edited by: Sticky Hamster on 02/07/2011 17:09:03
I'm relieved.

Thank you CCP for telling us that there will ONLY BE VANITY ITEMS IN THE ITEM SHOP.

(edit) There is no wiggle room there...ONLY VANITY ITEMS...I hope you fully understand that.

As long as that is true, I will be your loyal customer. I want you to financially prosper.

If you ever BETRAY your customers by breaking that promise...Many of us (I for certain) will vote with our money and leave.

And can I have my spinny ships back? I loved the old dock.

Sticky Hamster

(edit) p.s. people, show CCP a positive threadaught for once.

(((and))) I LOVE the agent finder.

(((AND))) I would like to see the cosmetic stuff in the itemshop be sold ingame to players in the form of blueprints, maybe blueprint copies with 1 possible run only...I would like to see all of that stuff...even a monacle have to be crafted.

I Love Boobies
Amarr
All Hail Boobies
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:08:00 - [77]
 

I don't think the trust CCP has enjoyed over the years from the community will ever be the same for the fact that they are saying there are no plans for "gold ammo", in the same manner as they said about microtransactions not so long ago.

Mechanoid Kryten
N0VA 5
Brainfarts
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:08:00 - [78]
 

*quits looking at perpetuum and goes back to coding worthless 3rd party apps no one uses*

And hey, if you introduce a Kryten-looking robot suit that's even 1/2 as good as the one he had in the old character creator to the Nex store, i would mine up enough isk to buy it with isk :)

Don Aubaris
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:09:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: Don Aubaris on 02/07/2011 17:37:41
Well...this is kinda satisfactory. Why it took a week to get this out is beyond me.

"It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store."

And someone at CCP should learn to stop speaking once a point is made. That first sentence is all what people wanted to hear. The second sentence comes over just to save face. It's not believable. The opertunity to make that point expired last week. And it opens up yet again a whole can of wurms because it introduces terms as 'game breaking' that are again open for discussion.
Really guys, get some professional help to massage someone's ego out of messages. If you really wanted to make the point then it should have been 'We reconfirm CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only.' or so.

Edit : And I'm in aggreement with some other posts. Some kind of 'amnesty' should be given to players that got banned for protesting too fiery. Would be a good start to regain some trust.

Solderan
Gallente
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:09:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Mitchello
Edited by: Mitchello on 02/07/2011 17:05:56
Commendable, very much so.

I still have concerns over the absence of the topic of convenience items, since that is both the commercial escape option as well as still suffering from unclarity about definitions which can confuse people along the road as they are introduced. But, it is a good step in the direction.

It speaks for CCP's values that they engaged in this. Yes, they had to due to commercial dependancy, but still, they could have just said "our way or the highway". And they didn't.

It saddens me that there is still a level of spin involved. On the newsletter topic, I can imagine how hard that hit as that got personal, completely understandable. But most of us know what kind of instrument such newsletters are for, particularly in this industry. They guide mindset, awareness, adoption of concepts are buzzwords and creative direction among employees. Especially in this industry.

But, you know, that is fine. One big lesson here, is that there has grown quite a distance between the parts of this huge and amazing triangle of CCP / EVE / Customers. That cuts in all ways, we have seen that, and I do hope that we all have seen that now.

As for the communicative challenges, yeah it's beyond clear now that the external and internal communicative hiccups have resulted in this mess. It is a shame, we saw last year another big issue with that and these matters really are entirely avoidable without painful lessons. But I hope that this gets picked up on, and capitalised on.

Why? Because Hilmar was right. EVE is an emergant dynamic. And we're all in it. Customers and CCP. Communication among us and between us is vital to the synergy and balance in growth, adoption and direction of EVE.

This cannot have been easy, respect.

I think convenience items will fall under the "grey" area they mentioned in the blog.

I'm mostly satisfied but I'd like some talk about dev funding for EVE and internet spaceships. When are the broken things being fixed? When are you going to fix 0.0? Lowsec? FW? Blaster re balances? Are we going to be seeing nothing but Dust/W.I.S. related updates? Are you going to be giving us Internet spaceship updates or more WOD/Dust beta tests.

SlayerOfArgus
Gallente
Hermes Enterprises
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:10:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: SlayerOfArgus on 02/07/2011 17:14:47
Quote:
The CSM helped CCP understand the emotional connection players had with "ship spinning". They vehemently demanded the return of the feature, which CCP committed to introduce in some form at a future date.


\o/ Many thanks to the CSM for demanding this back and for CCP for returning this feature. And thank you for vanity items only. Ship skins is something you will make bank on for sure. I know I will want to have a ship skin for my dominix Cool

That is of course after I get a new comp, since my laptop doesn't support shader model 3.0 Confused

RLCHANCE
Amarr
The Shadow Cartel
War and Pestilence
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:10:00 - [82]
 

\SHIP SPINNING/ =D

zzlep Alduin
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:11:00 - [83]
 

"The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time."

Any plans to improve this side of the game? e.g. we invest a lot of time in the game and still loose expensive things to client crashes etc.... lol

Harleen Frances Quinzel
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:11:00 - [84]
 

Quoting HIlmar:
"I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say".

So lets see what they actually DO!


Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:11:00 - [85]
 

CSM just saved CCP.

Malak Artoo
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:11:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: CCP
It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.


Sheesh guys, was that so hard to say in the first place?

This is a real relief. I really like Eve, I'd hate to have to stop playing it because of some marketing suits.

That said, I've come to think in the past days that this was just a series of really unfortunate events that started with the $99 thing and lead to all these hard feelings people have been having. Better PR is really needed.

Guess we can all be BFF's again? Very Happy

Zastrow
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:12:00 - [87]
 

look at this csm being useful


Alissa Solette
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:12:00 - [88]
 

Hi Navigator, Zulu, CSM members and anyone else at CCP

First off, thanks for the response.

Secondly, thank you for finally addressing my main concern: gold ammo and pay to win.

While I do feel that the CCP statement could have been a bit (or even a lot) more apologetic (especially in light of how the players were talked about in the Fearless leak, the leaked e-mail and the Zulu Dev Blog) I am glad do see that you were either forced to shelve your RMT plans or never actually had them (tho if you never had them then why were there even any big arguments between CCP and the CSM? *tinfoil*)

I'll be eagerly awaiting your future dev blogs.

I'd also like to point out that I found the video pretty weak... You basically just reminisced about the past two days (which were certainly hard work for all involved) but I missed the part where Zulu looked directly into the camera and apologized personally for his insulting blog and also in the name of the company he's representing for acting in such an insulting way toward their customers.

Too much "smug" and "job well done" and not enough "we suck for screwing up so badly in the first place, please forgive us and we hope we can earn your trust again sometime in the future".

And just a word of advice: next time, talk to us (the people paying for those 1000$ pants) before you release the 70$ monocle. There would have been a **** storm even then but at least you could have simply said: "take it easy guys, we're only talking with you to get your opinions.. of course we'd never release such a horrendously overpriced virtual eye piece! lol... we just wanted to see how you'd react! lol *sweat*".

tl;dr:
Am I overjoyed? No.
Am I happier then before I read the blog? Yes.
Will I resub? Probably, if I like what I see in the upcoming dev blogs.
Will I be watching CCP like a hawk from now on? Definitely.

- Alissa

Heavenly Blues
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:12:00 - [89]
 

**** you and your $68 Micro Transactions.

Red Twilight
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:13:00 - [90]
 

Edited by: Red Twilight on 02/07/2011 17:13:06
-2 accounts.

I do not buy your fluff. This answer is cleverly packaged bs. If you want me and others than update the game based on expanding spaceships. Incarna and its ilk will only ever disappoint and give little functionality. This is internet spaceships, not idle doing emotes in some Casino room.


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