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Elayae
Gallente
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Posted - 2011.07.03 06:16:00 - [841]
 

Looks all good to me. Very Happy I guess the return of the ship spinning feature includes the return of the other functionalities that came with it? (e.g. open cargo hold etc.)

Now that non vanity items are off the table, I would like to see a more specific discussion (or statement) about convenience and functionality micro transactions. Convenience and functionality stuff are part of the non vanity and is largely a very grey area that touches aspects of breaking stuff or is simply stuff that makes EVE without it more annoying to play. Possible future NEX store examples are: additional standings, wallets, hangars (alliance, corporation or personal), interregional market viewing, extra market functionalities etc. I am not in favor for these kind of things, I wonder what CCP can say about this. Very Happy


Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.07.03 06:27:00 - [842]
 

Originally by: JGR Mao
Oh well
Not really convinced as we did not get a definitive answer

But i guess it will have to do - atleast for now

Will definately be watching both what you say, and what you do more closely from now on.


Its ok to milk the cow - as long as you provide it some fresh pastures to munch on and generally keep it happy

Starving the cow to milk it even further, and then scaring it by bringin it to the slaughterhouse to sell its meat, will not work on these bloodthirsty voracious spacecows you have helped breeding here -mmkay!

I think it's more like somebody who works for the ranch with a particularly sadistic side, or disgruntled stance, decided to show pictures of the slaughterhouse interior to the spacecows even if the ranch management never had any intention of taking them to the slaughterhouse in the first place.

Y'know, just putting that out there.

Eterna Unum
Posted - 2011.07.03 06:31:00 - [843]
 

Edited by: Eterna Unum on 03/07/2011 06:38:30
Originally by: Cattegirn
What they needed to say was "We will not", rather than "There are no plans". Quite honestly nothing has changed.


Wow...really?

Quote:
There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.


This statement is very plain english, especially when paired with:

Quote:
It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only.


They have never planed, and never have planned to. What more does saying "We will not" add that changes anything if this doesn't give you warm fuzzies? Are you saying they have plans to change their plans that isn't actually planned??

I am on the side of needing better communication, and I agreed when it appeared they sidestepped such a clear statement in the earlier blogs. But if you want something new to complain about, there are more than a few already in this thread. But, barring that, get a grip, or at least start supporting your argument rationally. Please, enlighten me...

Edit: Another response dawned on me that I didn't originally think of.
Originally by: Cattegirn
What they needed to say was "We will not", rather than "There are no plans". Quite honestly nothing has changed.

Obvious troll is obvious.

C4LYP50
Solarwind Interstellar Mining and Production Ltd
Posted - 2011.07.03 06:36:00 - [844]
 

Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Originally by: Kitsune Sakai
Quote:
It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.


Not good enough. Why the heck use an adjective like "game breaking" when you don't have to? Obviously CCP did this to get some wiggle-room.




Because it's impossible to cover everything in one statement, had we tried to enumerate someone would have found we had forgotten and gone "well, they obviously left room for *this one*"

There is clear understanding on both sides of what we (actually) both consider "game-breaking" or "pay2win".


No. I no longer consider you to be on my side, thanks. If it was so clear, then why not the SIMPLE, specific CLARITY your constituents demanded? Don't make any more excuses. You flubbed this.

_____

Quote:
Ship Spinning:

There's 2 things people want ship spinning back for:
1) we like to spin ships, it's fun.
2) ship spinning took less performance than the current avatar view.


WRONG AGAIN! We want the FUNCTIONALITY of the hangar view back. The 'drag and drop' ship-swaps, the 'double-click 'open cargo', etc. The ability to spin your ship was ALWAYS secondary, which was why the "frozen view" of the old hangar was acceptable.

This is what makes me so damn disappointed in the CSM in general, and you shiptoasting members especially. It's like you didn't even read the Threadnarok, when 1 million other viewers did. You were tasked with bringing the "Aurum for Non-Vanity Items" topic to a conclusion, yet you failed to even do this, allowing an untrustable and devious statement into the PR statement from CCP.


Quote:
CCP is going to add as a replacement for the door wallpaper that addresses both concerns.
It will not be the same old hangar view, but will be similar in terms of functionality and performance.


Why this colossal waste of resources and dev time, when the OLD hangar was perfectly functional? Why didn't you HAMMER that home, while you were getting hammered with them, anyway?



Please ask for umbrellas to be made available in the Gold Shop. Either its raining in here, or you're ****ing on the players. And for goodness sake, STOP PATTING YOURSELVES ON THE BACK.



Terh Rumnatarn
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.03 06:38:00 - [845]
 

Reading the blog left me with an unknown taste. Don`t know what it is yet.
But still, back in the game. Thx for the blog.

Mordrake
Freelance Economics Astrological resources
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.07.03 06:45:00 - [846]
 

Well its unfortunate that it had to involve so much drama, but I am back on board.

I think that CCP gets that there will be a hair trigger on this issue from the community in the future and I don't think there will be any more of these tainted thoughts.

EVE will stay true to its vision from hence forth because we the players now embody that vision.

Good Job CSM!!

Mordrake
Freelance Economics Astrological resources
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.07.03 06:54:00 - [847]
 

Originally by: Dark Reignz
You guys have missed a crucial point here and that is:

CCP have yet to clarify there intentions as to which items acutally do fall under "Vanity Items".


Personally for me and no doubt alot of others i'm pretty gutted it will remain vanity only, becuase there are certain items I would have bought, stopping short of buying gold ships and more skill points. So I feel let down.

I reakon its the PRO MT side of the communities turn to cause uproar, whine and moan about this. Mass protest and fake-quit as we were not respresented at that meeting.......


If you wish to test your viewpoints out why don't you run for CSM and perhaps this platform will get you elected?

..... NOT!!!!

Twisted Evil

Garekell
Posted - 2011.07.03 06:59:00 - [848]
 

Originally by: Eterna Unum

They have never planed, and never have planned to. What more does saying "We will not" add that changes anything if this doesn't give you warm fuzzies? Are you saying they have plans to change their plans that isn't actually planned??




Wow talk about stupid. Did you not know that within the last year CCP tried to roll out 'Extra attribute remap for Plex!'

Game-changing isn't it? Allowing the rich to redo their training skill attributes more often so they train faster than the 'poor'?

The only thing then that stopped it is the trolls you so look down upon. Jesus do your research before opening your yap.

You fail.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:00:00 - [849]
 

Some people are easily pleased....

Say, what is the rough time line for when we can start seeing substance from your promises? Hope it's before new year's eve as my PLEXes will be running out by then and, with development of EVE being as it is, I don't plan to buy any more. Of course this plan can change when circumstances change, I might even buy some more.

Grey Griff
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:00:00 - [850]
 

Edited by: Grey Griff on 03/07/2011 07:13:17
Edited by: Grey Griff on 03/07/2011 07:12:19
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Pay2Win is very hard to nail down in a legalistic way, but everyone "knows it when they see it". Alas, when you get into the grey areas, reasonable people can come up with very different opinions.

Originally by: Moria Kethar
Trebor - I am not concerned with the pay to win aspect of direct CCP --item-- sales, as that is a oversimplification. The issue is that it would be bypassing the player-generated economy, which is the backbone of Eve - right now, if you want a ship, guns, ammo, ect, someone in Eve had to work for it. THAT is the concern for me when CCP refuses to say No, never.

During one of the dinners, a CCP dev made exactly this point -- that if it was game-affecting and disconnected from the player economy, then P2W alarm bells should go off.


P2W is actually may be defined easily enough, if item(that influence on game play)need money to appear in the game, it is game breaking, it includes various bpc, cus while it seems using game economy it still bypassing a lot of things,it can make obtaining of bpo t2bpc all the invetion process and faction bpc meaningless, it still directly influences on the game and in this case it gives advantage to industrialyst who uses it over all other

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:10:00 - [851]
 

Originally by: Debbie DoesDallas
Its unfortunate that CCP seemingly forgot how to communicate effectively with its player base. They've done fairly well in the past. I'm glad to hear the results of the summit. Thanks to the CSM's for the short notice trip.

The Incarna bugs are bad but then again, we all remember some bad bugs introduced in other expansions as well. They will have to fix em and hopefully soon.

I hope to see more content upgrades in the future and less WiS. How about fleshing out the T3 line to include other ship types? What about incorporating some of the winning ship designs from the last contest? I see more effort in a NeX store than I do with things that contribute to actual spaceship violence and that's sad.

I remember seeing a question-and-answer thread that mentioned the Tornado (one of the contest ships) would appear maybe sometime this Fall?

Zleon Leigh
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:10:00 - [852]
 

Originally by: Zastrow
look at this csm being useful




look at CCP leading us on to think CSM was useful. The CSM didn't tell them anything 500+ pages of forums feedback hadn't already made painfully clear. It was just a way for CCP to save face.

E6o5
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:16:00 - [853]
 

Originally by: E6o5
Edited by: E6o5 on 02/07/2011 18:49:28
Quote:
It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only.


So they still can introduce a "NeXt" (next bull****) store to sell the "gold ammo" there and keep the NeX store clean ...

Quote:
There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.


But next week new plans can be made ... also how do you define "game breaking" and "enhancements"? is a faction tower (I hear bpc don't drop anymore) game breaking when it can only be purchased using some AUR?

Quote:
The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time.


What about fair advantages?

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:21:00 - [854]
 

Originally by: Kane Molou
What I want to know is what makes the CSM better then the rest of us? What makes them soooo damned special that they get access to information and the like we aren't allowed.........


oh that's right.....


Nothing.

they are no more and no less then the rest of us, except that they bow down and sign NDA's that forbid them from doing their job of keeping US informed.

Again.. if CCP is truely serious about showing us they are going to keep their promises of fixing bugs, releasing more content etc etc etc.. Lift the NDA. Lift the Gag order on the CSM and let us see what they see.. given again they are meant to be our voice..

How can WE have a real voice if WE don't get the same information?

What makes them special is people voted them in there. It's the same argument that would be used for your local elected government officials. Government representatives are ultimately no more special than any other person.

Corupt Gene
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:22:00 - [855]
 

I feel very confident that the lack of me renewing any of the subscriptions on any of my accounts will sufficiently communicate what I think about this fluff job.

Inspiration
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:24:00 - [856]
 

Edited by: Inspiration on 03/07/2011 09:01:37
Is is just me, or did I read nothing really changes besides the obvious of restoring some handy/familiar features (and not even in full)?

Sure it was said there are **currently** not plans for anything but pure vanity items available in the shop. But in the context of last years statement that there will be no micro transactions and shop whatsoever, that is a very weak statement!

I would say, none but the implicit announcement of lower price tier items shop mechanics issues players raised, are mentioned in the blog. Let alone dealt with in a proper manner! Now I can wait on an explanation of the planned pricing structure, but that really does not change those more fundamental issues one bit.


I Reiterate some of the issues:

* PLEX Conversion to AUR

Don't mess with PLEX by adding additional forced demand for this item, which will affect sustainable accounts per player and for eve as a whole. In game items that subtract from PLEX is a loss of game content, not an addition!


* Concept of vanity for the riches

The idea is good, but why does it need to be linked to RL currency trough PLEX? And if so, why for the full 100%...does being rich not mean you got tons of (virtual) ISK to spend for virtual items? A vanity item shop would be a pretty good ISK sink and might generate extra revenue just from selling a few more PLEX alone. More precise, the shop would have been perfectly integrated in the economy. I have read NO statement of why AUR is even needed, there is no rationale whatsoever!!!

And really, this ****es me off!

And as someone else wrote, if you stick with AUR. Why not price the items like you do with the LP shop? You demand a certain *much smaller* amount of AUR and a large amount of ISK. This would go a long way to make AUR more liquid and usable, plus you as a very good ISK sink to the economy.


I can rant on about this for days...but I will conclude that I have the feeling the CSM has been used as an excuse and publicity stunt on top. And that CCP will go on as if it's business as usual, without listening to anything the players say.

This blog contains nothing but a marketing spin to me!

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:24:00 - [857]
 

Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
Originally by: AJ Falconi
It is unfortunate that neither CCP nor the players (in general) were able to speak reasonably and civilly through the blog and forum formats. The CCP blogs & forum posts alternated between insulting and irrelevant, and many of the players behaved like spoiled two-year-olds, but with a lot more bad language.


I really like your post. If CCP had half as much common sense about EVE as you do after playing for a few weeks, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

If you think of what CCP did as akin to what Tiger Woods did to his wife, you might better understand the player anger. (Many players have been loyal customers of CCP for far longer than Tiger Woods and his wife were a couple.) And when, as you say, CCP blogs & forum posts alternated between insulting and irrelevant, couldn't that anger be expected to grow? It certainly didn't help matters that CCP devs post with anonymous alts on forums in an unethical and dishonest effort to influence the debate. Nothing stokes anger more than dishonesty.

I'm personally not entirely convinced on the anonymous alts issue. Assuming they are alts and knowing whether they are either fanbois or alts are two entirely different things.

I'thari
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:25:00 - [858]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Yes, CCP still wants to dock straight to Incarna. Yes, we all think that's a mistake, and we'll keep on trying to convince them they are wrong. But there is time to either convince them or (more likely) blackmail them.


Well, according to your CSM mate

Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
"Old Hangar" is not the old hangar, it's similar to the old one in terms of function and performance. Read above for my points on the space->hangar->CQ thing. During CSM 5 we said "don't want people to be forced into incarna". CCP said "what if the performance is equal". We said "we still think it's undesirable, but this is an acceptable compromise". Pick your battles, the integration of flying in space and InCarna is going to happen, we placed the limit of when it is deemed acceptable and not.


and this quote
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Oh, they listened all right. But they don't agree. CSM can't force CCP to do anything, we can only try to persuade.
you already lost this one. When work is almost done they won't change their mind, ever... no matter what they say.

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:26:00 - [859]
 

Originally by: Moon Shadowfall
Edited by: Moon Shadowfall on 02/07/2011 22:47:55
Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
Originally by: AJ Falconi
It is unfortunate that neither CCP nor the players (in general) were able to speak reasonably and civilly through the blog and forum formats. The CCP blogs & forum posts alternated between insulting and irrelevant, and many of the players behaved like spoiled two-year-olds, but with a lot more bad language.


I really like your post. If CCP had half as much common sense about EVE as you do after playing for a few weeks, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

If you think of what CCP did as akin to what Tiger Woods did to his wife, you might better understand the player anger. (Many players have been loyal customers of CCP for far longer than Tiger Woods and his wife were a couple.) And when, as you say, CCP blogs & forum posts alternated between insulting and irrelevant, couldn't that anger be expected to grow? It certainly didn't help matters that CCP devs post with anonymous alts on forums in an unethical and dishonest effort to influence the debate. Nothing stokes anger more than dishonesty.


..says the person who trolled, flamed and baited MANY threads disagreeing with him...including trolling this one still. Get out the Preparation H and stop the whining...or move on to another game. What a hypocrite.

They can say nothing more to attempt to answer your concerns. If you can't trust them then please take your subscription money elsewhere...

This.

Marcus Aurelijus
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:28:00 - [860]
 

Right,

Well at least that's moved me from a I'll let my game time run out to a well see what they DO instead.
I do notice a slightly disturbing lack of presence in the statement about FUTURE MT - but I guess this is good as it gets.

So what would make me a happy capsuleer?
- A even clearer statement from CCP not only to have no current plans for beyond-vanity MT but a promise not to start making those plans in the foreseeable (<-- see: im being nice here) future. I have been putting a lot of time into this game after all and would like a little more certainty if its sensible to spend more.

- An apology from Hilmar himself for the appalling attitude and disrespect hes shown the whole community.


Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:32:00 - [861]
 

Glad to see it is moving forward, however I still see you have a major step to take in terms of communication because that is not anywhere near what it used to be, and I would really like to see that return, giving us the feeling that you do actually care and that the community voice is important.

Keep it up!

/c

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:37:00 - [862]
 

Another BS CSM meeting with little to show other then the CSM member's got treated like kings for not doing the will of the players or taking a hardline stance against what CCP was doing.

Thanks for the failure guys.

Eterna Unum
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:39:00 - [863]
 

Edited by: Eterna Unum on 03/07/2011 08:16:33

Originally by: Garekell

Wow talk about stupid. Did you not know that within the last year CCP tried to roll out 'Extra attribute remap for Plex!'

Game-changing isn't it? Allowing the rich to redo their training skill attributes more often so they train faster than the 'poor'?

The only thing then that stopped it is the trolls you so look down upon. Jesus do your research before opening your yap.

You fail.


Alright, thank you. Just a few points:

1) That was almost a rational statement
2) CCP canceled that plan when they realized how angry it made all of us. My quote, and this whole situation is based around the Incarna patch and NEX bringing in P2W. So, context can be useful
3) What makes you think I don't like trolls? My second comment was me smacking myself in the head thinking you were just trolling. I expected to get burned for that one. So, in the spirit of your lovely failure: learn to read...

Originally by: Etena Unum
I am on the side of needing better communication, and I agreed when it appeared they sidestepped such a clear statement in the earlier blogs. But if you want something new to complain about, there are more than a few already in this thread.


Do some research as to which side of the "trolls" you think I'm on or actually read a post? Oh wait; you did niether.

I mentioned the others that have complaints out there, I agree with the other good points out there. I agree with Inspiration. I can even agree with YOU! CCP has shown moments of complete ignorance, and often shows a lack of understanding even their own game. People need to keep bringing up good points, and back them up. Not just make generalizations. If the devs are going to read this, lets give them something worthwhile.

Now, that your flaming me is out of the way, please. Answer the actual question, does adding "We will not" actually change anything if they are intending to lie anyway? CSM is bound by an NDA; CCP might have a program other than NEX they'll roll out with the non-vanity items. I'm obviously missing a piece of your puzzle. What raises this beyond the threshold people have that some won't be happy no matter what CCP says? So..

Originally by: Eterna Unum
Enlighten me...


Or shut your own yap and don't get in the middle of something unless you actually know who you're talking to and what you're talking about (ie read the whole post). That wasn't hard, was it?


Edit:
If you're the alt of guy I replied to, you can probably ignore the stuff about getting in the middle. Rolling Eyes

Graava
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:43:00 - [864]
 

Edited by: Graava on 03/07/2011 08:02:29
I have plexed up my 4 accounts to Jan,(they were all previously paid by CC).

Now it is a wait and see what they do before I put my hand in my pocket, as I have just committed to 6 months of Perpetuum. (And yes their toons are fugly but toons are not the essence of the game)

As it is, I probably will not resub as I have no interest what so ever in the barbies. This is not the 'immersion' that keeps me amused, space is. This whole attitude smacks of arrogance on the behalf of the designers. Yellow types always have hissy fits when people do not agree with thier 'vision'.

As the Ship->Hanger->CQ battle seems to have been lost, so will my interest in the game.

CCP seems to have lost direction in the original vision and passion, the money men have moved in. Come on when was the last time we had a free pop at Oveur in his 99% tanked dev plaything. The Eve we all signed up to 8 years ago died at least two years ago.


Inspiration
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:45:00 - [865]
 

Originally by: Arja Marketta
Good to have a confirmation that non-vanity items will never appear in the store.


That **obviously** they did not write, but you read it anyway...embrace the era of media spin doctors ruling at CCP!

Korbin Dallaz
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:50:00 - [866]
 

Originally by: CCP
It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.


I do not understand how so many of you fail to see that the NeX store and Aurum themselves break the player driven economy which is one of the most basic and fundamental aspects of this game. CCP is most certainly aware of this. The fact that they are saying they have no plans to introduce any game breaking items in the NeX store when the very store it's self has already broken the game should show you that they are lying . The only thing that CCP understands is canceled subscriptions. As long as you keep paying they will keep breaking the game .

Inspiration
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:51:00 - [867]
 

Edited by: Inspiration on 03/07/2011 08:00:36
Originally by: Rrama Ratamnim
Originally by: Kitsune Sakai
Quote:
It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.


Not good enough. Why the heck use an adjective like "game breaking" when you don't have to? Obviously CCP did this to get some wiggle-room.

So my 3*15€ won't reach CCPs pockets next month.


Nit picky much.... game breaking changes such as P2W items are what we all were *****ing about, get a life


They use PLEX right?

Then it is game breaking more then you think.

The economic side of the game mechanics are just as important/wrecking as pay to win items would have. Less active accounts due to higher PLEX prices is less game content (less players to shoot at).

Realize, there is a limit of how much RL currency can flow in game, aka people are willing/able to spend. And there is a limit to in-game items this can be spend on in-game. PLEX which essentially is visualized game time, now has to compete with virtual items. This will make less game time available or at a higher price. This in turn means less active accounts and thus ** NO EXRTA ** long term profit for CCP. But CCP does need to spend a lot of resources to make and maintain the shop for eternity (they can't back down on what they sold you).

This is leaving less resources for true content for the players, of which there are less, meaning even less content for the players to shoot at.

MT is like a monkey trap and CCP is sticking its hand in with full force despite warnings not too!

YOU UNDERSTAND NOW...STUPID???????????

PS.

It is good for me I got 2.5 years for game time left on my 4 accounts thanks to PLEX. But once I personally have to start paying for it, that number will likely be reduced in half!!!

But by then I hope it is clear the MT shop was a total failure and waste of resources and simple screw over the players that bought into it in order for EVE to grow again!

Inspiration
Posted - 2011.07.03 08:11:00 - [868]
 

Edited by: Inspiration on 03/07/2011 08:12:31
Originally by: Taedrin
Edited by: Taedrin on 02/07/2011 16:52:28
/very satisfied

Highlights:
-CCP confirms that there are no non-vanity items in the NEX, nor were there ever any real plans to introduce them.


That said nothing about the future, it was I think less then a year ago that they stated there are no plans for a MT shop whatsoever! They felt they had to strongly communicate that, now look where we are!


You are buying into marketing speak here!


Originally by: Taedrin
Edited by: Taedrin on 02/07/2011 16:52:28
-CCP promises to improve communication


No they did not, they stated:

Good communication and trust between CCP and the EVE community has always been a fundamental priority for CCP and will continue to be so.

A fundamental property...right...has always been...right...what exactly is their track record? Does it voice ANY intention to improve the communication and trust?


You are buying into marketing speak here!


Originally by: Taedrin
Edited by: Taedrin on 02/07/2011 16:52:28
-CCP promises to reintroduce ship spinning in the future.


But not in the way you expect or find useful. You always will load CQ, and not as you assume get the OLD back and have a door to CQ.


Originally by: Taedrin
Edited by: Taedrin on 02/07/2011 16:52:28
EDIT: resubbing two accounts


Good...where do you live?

I kill idiots as an in-game hobby and it looks like you will become a precious resource in the not so distant future.

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.07.03 08:19:00 - [869]
 

Originally by: The Offerer
But what advantage? Smile
Do you have an advantage because you have the items
OR
does the manufacturer have the advantage because he gets your ISK
OR
does a PLEX buyer have an advantage because he can afford (ISK wise) to play the game for free?

It's a win-win-win scenario.Very Happy It's so cool that it's bigger than bi-winning... it's tri-winning.Cool

P2W is the system where you get the items from the MT store for cash and no one else gets anything.Wink

Haha- tri-winning, I like that.

Zakota Vertidei
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.03 08:21:00 - [870]
 

Originally by: Vandrion
Edited by: Vandrion on 03/07/2011 05:02:24
Originally by: Zakota Vertidei
Originally by: Vandrion
Originally by: Taedrin
Edited by: Taedrin on 02/07/2011 16:52:28
/very satisfied

Highlights:
-CCP confirms that there are no non-vanity items in the NEX, nor were there ever any real plans to introduce them.

-CCP promises to improve communication

-CCP promises to reintroduce ship spinning in the future.

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They said no MT at all last year.....Original NO MT statement by CCP

What they say doesn't matter.. Its what they do........

You are taking things out of context. There are no plans for MT in relation to paying for SP.

Stop it. They are doing what they need to do.


I recommend reading to you....

As I have said once before in this thread-- The posts by CCP Shadow speak of MT as a whole.. If it was only skill points he would have said "No MT for skill points".

I will copy and paste Post #20 in that thread so you can read it again:

"No. There are no microtransaction plans, whatsoever. I wrote "in this case" because this extended downtime was an unusual situation. It's not every day we relocate our servers to a new facility."

Whatsoever.... Skillpoints... 2 totally different words.....

I would like CSM/CCP to explain/define gamebreaking (per CCP statement) and game altering (per CSM statement). I think it is imporatant for all of us to know that the CSM, the players and CCP are all on the same page......
I still believe that he was simply replying to the threads topic and to SP.

Besides, as quoted from the statement made by CCP:

Quote:
It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only.


I believe this means that no items will be added to the NeX that effect gameplay in any way. Saying otherwise and demanding that CCP say it a special way is simply splitting hairs. Assume what game-breaking means and, boom, you have a definition.

A monocle is not going to stop your blasters from blowing someone up.


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