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Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:50:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 02/07/2011 16:54:20
Originally by: Kitsune Sakai
Quote:
It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.


Not good enough. Why the heck use an adjective like "game breaking" when you don't have to? Obviously CCP did this to get some wiggle-room.

CSM apparently sees and addresses this issue:
Quote:
We have been repeatedly assured that there are no plans for ‘gold ammo', ships which have different statistics from existing common hulls, or any other feared ‘game destroying' virtual goods or services. We have expressed our deep concern about potential grey areas that the introduction of virtual goods permits, and CCP has made a commitment to discuss any proposals that might fall into these grey areas in detail with CSM at the earliest possible stage.

edit: laughing so hard at the video.

Dirk Decibel
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:50:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Hektor Fisk
Edited by: Hektor Fisk on 02/07/2011 16:41:30
Originally by: CCP
It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.


\o/


\o/

Doctor Garamond Trebuchet
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:52:00 - [33]
 

Not bad, resubbing 1 of 2. Burned pretty bad, we'll see what they do, not just what they say but good start.

Thanks for all the hard work, even if us Roleplayers were ****ed on and openly mocked by eve radio and the 2 members of the CSM on the radio show.


Dinta Zembo
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:52:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Dinta Zembo on 02/07/2011 16:52:10
Again the 'are no plans, have never been any' statement, but WILL there ever be any?

darius mclever
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:52:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Dirk Decibel
Originally by: Hektor Fisk
Edited by: Hektor Fisk on 02/07/2011 16:41:30
Originally by: CCP
It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.


\o/


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Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:52:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Taedrin on 02/07/2011 16:52:28
/very satisfied

Highlights:
-CCP confirms that there are no non-vanity items in the NEX, nor were there ever any real plans to introduce them.

-CCP promises to improve communication

-CCP promises to reintroduce ship spinning in the future.

EDIT: resubbing two accounts

Shepard Book
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:53:00 - [37]
 

Thank you CCP for your patience and openness with the passionate trolls we have in this community.

Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:53:00 - [38]
 

I still want to know if we're going to get our save fitting slots back with out being charged?

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:54:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Taedrin
Edited by: Taedrin on 02/07/2011 16:52:28
/very satisfied

Highlights:
-CCP confirms that there are no non-vanity items in the NEX, nor were there ever any real plans to introduce them.

-CCP promises to improve communication

-CCP promises to reintroduce ship spinning in the future.

EDIT: resubbing two accounts


They said no MT at all last year.....Original NO MT statement by CCP

What they say doesn't matter.. Its what they do........

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:54:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Adunh Slavy on 02/07/2011 17:04:22
Thank you CCP and CSM for having had the meeting. For my part, the results of the summit and this blog help calm my concerns for the integrity of the sandbox. I still have may questions and reservations, but I suspect that many will be cleared up over the coming days.

As you, CCP, likely recognize, there was a breach of trust on a number of different levels. Hopefully, in time, these can be rectified. Not all of the discontent was simply Incarna and Micro-Transactions. Much of the unrest had been building for some time, assurances that core mechanics and old features would be addressed, but as yet, not delivered.

Iteration upon the core of the game, improving on Incarna and being painfully clear about future micro-transactions, *far in advance* of their implementations, both vanity and anything that may be "grey", will go a long way towards helping restore trust.

I will now return to my space ship, or door viewing, as the case may be,
-AS

Ando Godson
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:54:00 - [41]
 

I think my account is going to stay cancelled, at least for a while. While the news about microtransactions is mostly good, I remain pretty mistrustful of CCP. I'll need to see more concrete actions at this point; I'm watching what you say, but the important thing is what you do.

Salpun
Gallente
Paramount Commerce
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:56:00 - [42]
 

Did the CSM see a working version of the new ship hanger?
Will the settings be split anytime soon?

Azztoroid
Shipwreck cove
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:56:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Azztoroid on 02/07/2011 16:57:57
Gunz will remain silent and a giant thanks to the CSM for helping us with these isues. There is a long way to trust, but these two statements are deffently the right way to begin.....

This hopefully are the beginning for something great...

Azz will rest hes guns....and now im going to re-sub all accounts and get my main a monocle :)

Azz

Thoraxe Rig
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:56:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Thoraxe Rig on 02/07/2011 16:56:46
I am highly relieved to read this, I'll still be watching what CCP actually does, and the "we have no plans to introduce non-vanity items" sounds ever so slightly open-ended.
However, I'm satisfied and will trust CCP to never introduce non-vanity items.


Also, INB4 a flood of threads picking out little words and phrases like the "we have no plans to introduce non-vanity" and interpreting it as "Soon, Non-vanity items!". Laughing

Novak Sarin
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:56:00 - [45]
 

Trebor: Will there be meeting minutes released to the community, as promised on twitter? and if so, when?

Juan Sezole
The Colonial Forces
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:56:00 - [46]
 

Okay now someone please explain why, a week ago, this could not have been stated rather than the offensive "pants" blog?

Serious CCP you are your OWN worse enemies.

Of course the cynical side of me thinks it went like this


Incarna launch
Storm hits
Hilmer tells everyone to hold firm
Zulu rageblogs
Finance starts to see the unsub numbers and tells them to sort it out
CCP folds

Wish I could say this is just pure paranoid thinking but seriously I cant

Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:56:00 - [47]
 

Two weeks and an emergency CSM meeting in Iceland for that? Come on, you could have said all that on day one of this mess.

And no, I won't be resubscribing. Going to give this game a break and check back in a few months (year?) and see if you address the rest of the problems that you let get out of hand. Remember, this was not only about micro-transactions you know.

Mater Dolorosa
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:57:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Mater Dolorosa on 02/07/2011 17:02:47

That's all about the hardware issues ? Change the minimum spec ?

CCP will work on creating a minimum hardware spec that supports multiple clients, but wants it to be clear that the current minimum specification aims at single client with low settings.

Is that all ?

Sorry CCP won't get an Euro from me till I actually see investments of the CCP devs on game related issues/improvements of Eve. I've paid 2 years for that Incarna closet (Dust & Wod), that's enough...

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:58:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Vandrion
Originally by: Taedrin
Edited by: Taedrin on 02/07/2011 16:52:28
/very satisfied

Highlights:
-CCP confirms that there are no non-vanity items in the NEX, nor were there ever any real plans to introduce them.

-CCP promises to improve communication

-CCP promises to reintroduce ship spinning in the future.

EDIT: resubbing two accounts


They said no MT at all last year.....Original NO MT statement by CCP

What they say doesn't matter.. Its what they do........


Notice that there is a difference between saying there will be no microtransactions, and saying that there are no plans for microtransactions. Last year at this time, CCP probably DIDN'T have any plans to introduce microtransactions.

As for myself, the only thing that I care about is clear and honest communication between the players and CCP. I could care less about microtransactions, so long as the game is fun to play.

Shar Antria
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:58:00 - [50]
 

While I was not in full-blown rage mode over this, I was somewhat concerned at the implications of MT in the game. I'm on a non-recurring 30 day sub as is, even before I heard about this whole debacle, so my subscription plan has not changed much.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:58:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Adunh Slavy on 02/07/2011 17:15:56
*double :P silly timer*

Frau JeanYus
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:59:00 - [52]
 

My hope and wish is that Eve will get enough Dev time to fix the many issues we have been discussing for years now.

We play Eve, some of us love Eve. Let's try and focus back to getting Eve up to the most awesome Spacey Ship game on the internetsweb.

Thanks, and we are watching you :)

Lady Callia
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:59:00 - [53]
 

I think a lot of this could have been prevented with a betatest team (possibly in the form of the CSM?)

Geksz
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:00:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Geksz on 02/07/2011 17:06:10
Edited by: Geksz on 02/07/2011 17:01:09
Will there be an explanation on WHY CAN'T WE HAVE A PERMANENT HANGAR BAY VEIW (like the old one without Incarna)? And why isn't Incarna optional like CCP promised earlier? (I'm sorry, but the option to have a still picture instead if the hangar is really disappointing, and in early test builds it wasn't even there!!!)

The blog clearly states that CCP is working on implementing a new spinning ship hangar view. OK, good to know, but what was wrong with the old one?

Starkiller Adams
Gallente
Interwebs Cooter Explosion
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:00:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Starkiller Adams on 02/07/2011 17:01:31
OK!!!!!! there will be no game breaking stuff introduced by eve. VICTORY!

Some faith renewed but i still would like some more info about new real content coming into eve new ships, new balance issues, fixing low sec, fixing hybrids, fixing faction warfare instead of T-shirts, gold scorpions I would like the resources that EVE produces more spent on stuff for Eve not funding WOD,and dust.

I really would like a response to that point which i think is one of the roots of the outrage.

With that said I' reasonably happy with the complete and thorough response from CCP.

Serpents smile
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:00:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Serpents smile on 02/07/2011 17:02:18

*Goosebumps.*

Good feeling.

Sad to see no official response on the leaked email from out of touch Hilmar from Hilmar, but meh. He now knows he will be held against the light of what he does, not what he is saying, (talk about Damocles sword).

Great thanks to all involved, including those rioting.

Hope CCP will think of a way to step into damage control faster if, hopefully not, this ever happens again.

Leaves me 1 question, how many damage controls did you get contracted Soundwave? Laughing

Edit: oh, very happy to get our hangar back. HELL YESS!! *\o/*





Tautut
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:00:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Tautut on 02/07/2011 17:01:41
I read the blog & to me, it couldn't be more explicit.

Every concern I've had has been answered - and I'm back in the game.

Thanks for taking the time to address the issues in the proper manner - and to get the communication straight before hand.


Edit: I'm hoping that we can have a big love in now - and then get on with podding one another again.


Heretic Girl
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:01:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Ando Godson
I think my account is going to stay cancelled, at least for a while. While the news about microtransactions is mostly good, I remain pretty mistrustful of CCP. I'll need to see more concrete actions at this point; I'm watching what you say, but the important thing is what you do.
Exactly. CCP saying one thing and doing another has become a pattern in last year, will have 1 account subbed to follow the situation, but 2 other will stay unsubbed for now....

Bran Rockinharder
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:01:00 - [59]
 

Thank you for taking the issues that would be game/deal breaking for so many players seriously. I couldn't be more pleased with the commitment to no pay to win. Huge sigh of relief.

Faith is restored and +3 accounts again.

Huge victory for CSM and CCP.


Dracnys
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:01:00 - [60]
 

VERY happy to see this end well. Great job by both the CSM and CCP for clearing up the mess after the Incarna release. EVE has been through many valleys and this is the deepest but it's driven by so many people's deep passion that it'll master all challenges.
EVE forever!


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