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hudders
Caldari
Galactica Armada
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:30:00 - [541]
 

To all you emo rage quiters out there, can I have your stuffs and your ISKies as well please?

Thanks muchlyVery Happy

Gloria Stitz
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:30:00 - [542]
 

Originally by: Grog Barrel
May i ask, what would be the fair advantages, that can be purchased via Aurum?


It only needs to be an equal advantage.

Megalift
Omni Tech Engineering
Needless Friends
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:32:00 - [543]
 

Originally by: Arnar Hrafn Gylfason, Senior Producer for EVE Online

It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.


Originally by: The Mittani, Chairman of CSM 6
Game-affecting Virtual Goods: We are convinced that CCP has no plans to introduce any game-affecting virtual goods, only pure vanity items such as clothing and ship skins. We have been repeatedly assured that there are no plans for ‘gold ammo', ships which have different statistics from existing common hulls, or any other feared ‘game destroying' virtual goods or services. We have expressed our deep concern about potential grey areas that the introduction of virtual goods permits, and CCP has made a commitment to discuss any proposals that might fall into these grey areas in detail with CSM at the earliest possible stage.


I have great concern with the introducing of ships thru NeX. Ready to fly ships offering will cut out the supply chain of many protential players. To build a ship currently you need miners to get the supplies, researchers to produce a BP, and builders to build the ship. I have issues with any ship being offered from NeX, including in a BP becuase it will leave out the researcher.


VicturusTeSaluto
Gallente
Metafarmers
MeatSausage EXPRESS
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:32:00 - [544]
 

Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Don Aubaris

Edit : And I'm in aggreement with some other posts. Some kind of 'amnesty' should be given to players that got banned for protesting too fiery.



You mean for threatening real live employees over a video game?

Bans should be permanent. Zero tolerance is the only deterrent for this behavior.

Mr Epeen Cool



I doubt that anyone intended for their statements to be real life threats and ccp must know this as well.

They were just looking for an excuse to ban their most vocal critics.

MezriDax
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:32:00 - [545]
 

At least they talked about ONE relevant topic.... not that I have any reason to stay any more.

Arnar, if you were ****ed off on Friday, take that and multiply it by ever update you've screwed over the players of this game and maybe you'll start to understand WHY we are trying to get the arrogant people at CCP to build something that the paying players want.

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:34:00 - [546]
 

"It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store."

Holy wiggle room, Batman.

"We had a change of plans."

"This enhancement isn't game-breaking."

"We're launching a new store, the NyX store."

Just answer the question, CCP. You know which question I mean.

Giclas
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:34:00 - [547]
 

As for now my money is back on CCP. +2 accounts and I am glad that Minmatar BS V was not a waste of time and money.
I´m pleased with the statements so far, especially with the one mentioning that money efforts are not to overcome time efforts ( for now ?).
So, whatever you´re planning in Island, don´t bypass the sandbox!
However, I consider CCP on parole for now. Mutual trust was reprocessed in this ordeal and it will take a lot more time to rebuild than to trash it at the insane speed we all became witness in the last couple of days.

I know that everything dies ( R.I.P Peter Steele ), but now I know that EvE will die a little later.

Thus, thanks to CCP and the CSM ( which I never voted, but will have an eye on when the next votes start )

And... You can add as much vanity-crap as you like - CCP Sunset needs a new pair of shoes :)

Giclas



Livinia Koi
Wrecking Shots
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:35:00 - [548]
 

Well, I'm satisfied for now, but I still don't trust you not to f*** up, CCP. I sincerely hope that the inevitable failure of Dust and WoD don't put you out of business and you start investing resources back into your only profitable product. Because frankly, this isn't good enough. I hope those promised dev blogs about future developments are pretty damn good, because I'm still waiting for useful changes. This year, I"ve only seen a huge nerf to 0.0, where I live, making it impossible for me to recoup my losses, and the addition of a completely useless Captains Quarters that I have to turn off in order to make my game run at a reasonable rate. Thanks a lot. I hope you get better quick.

Pierced Brosmen
Priory Of The Lemon
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:35:00 - [549]
 

My biggest question now is: When do we get our "I forum-trolled and rioted against non-vanity MT and all I got was this lousy T-shirt" T-shirt Laughing

Also, how much will it cost?

I'thari
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:37:00 - [550]
 

Originally by: Dr Nefarius
In the CSM comments they state CCP has plans on perhaps implementing ship skins which will be bought with AUR. While it is not gamebreaking it will give ingame-advantages, at least when it comes to baiting.
If they only sell existing NPC skinns - not so much...

Originally by: Dr Nefarius
Who could resist a Hello Kitty Drake?
Please, they'll have to commit a full expansion cycle to make that one Laughing

Tho I wouldn't mind having somehting like that in hangar, as silly and non-eve (hey, we have cpasule on a balcony!) as it might be.



What really interests me is this tiny bit:

Originally by: devblog
We have been repeatedly assured that there are no plans for ‘gold ammo', ships which have different statistics from existing common hulls, or any other feared ‘game destroying' virtual goods or services.
We've yet to see what "services" CCP have planned to put in that store for AUR... I can only say that I dont really like surprises when it comes to CCP.

Garrance
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:38:00 - [551]
 

So on one of the very biggest issues CCP says nothing and the best the CSM could come up with is:

"The Leaked Hilmar Global Email: We were appalled by the leaked Hilmar email and the atrocious and out-of-touch messaging it contained. We sympathize and agree with those players offended and disgusted by it."

The thing responsible for 1/2 the sheet-storm and silence from CCP and 'our sympathies' from the CSM????? OUR SYMPATHIES??? Appalling indeed.

Blazde
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:41:00 - [552]
 

Awesome. Just missing the group hug photo now Very Happy


And good call identifying the issue of grey areas. I for one will start losing faith again fast if it looks like CCP keeps trying to push into that area, especially if the all too familiar CSM blogs are saying "We weren't consulted" at the same time

Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Caldari
River-Rats in space
The Ditanian Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:43:00 - [553]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
I am in transit back home (now in Boston Airport) but will be happy to answer questions as time permits. I hope the devblog clears up a lot of things for everyone.


Travel safely my friend, and thank you for sticking to your guns on our behalf.

o/
Bill

AKA. K.S.

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:44:00 - [554]
 

"The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time. The CSM, under NDA, has been presented with CCP‘s plans for continued evolution of the business model and agrees that nothing they saw breaks this principle. CCP has committed to sharing their plans with the CSM on this front on an ongoing basis."

Wrong, CCP. The investment of gobs of money in EVE should not replace what has always taken an investment of time. (Skill points, standing, etc.) Money can buy ISK with which you buy things from the market. Fine. Money now can buy vanity items. Not ideal, but barely tolerable to most players, fine. That's it. No mas.

Also, where was the commitment to not breaking game functionality (fitting slots, for instance) so you could sell it back to us? I must have missed it. Surely you would have addressed that after the outrage caused by soundwave's enthusiasm about that idea in Fearless?

Garricky
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:45:00 - [555]
 

Originally by: hudders
To all you emo rage quiters out there, can I have your stuffs and your ISKies as well please?

Thanks muchlyVery Happy


Wow you are a brilliant person! You came up with a snappy NEW catch phrase (can I have your stuffs) that will be used for years by every idiot who can't think of anything witty or constructive to say!!!!.... oh sorry.... Sad

Ravcharas
GREY COUNCIL
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:46:00 - [556]
 

Edited by: Ravcharas on 02/07/2011 20:46:55
CCP cannot, and should not, promise something like "no gold ammo ever." Because no one knows what might happen next year, or the year after that. Maybe something changes that makes it a really good idea.

With that said, I do have a couple of questions for CCP. I've touched on two before but they're buried in 450 pages of player feedback.

First. When did you decide to do the Nex? About a year before Incarna, CCP Shadow said you guys had no plans regarding microtransactions whatsoever. Even if you changed your minds the very next day, a year to plan, design, code and implement something like it is awfully fast by your standards. A ship rebalance seems to take you longer than that. Was Shadow misinformed?

Second. You've made your position quite clear on gold ammo. The wording leaves a little wiggle room but ok. You say that you use Fearless to spitball ideas and stuff like that. Could you guys elucidate a little bit about MT, the vanity and gold ammo type both? What do you see as the upside and downside of it? The players seem to generally don't want gold ammo, but from your point of view could you see it benefiting the game as a whole? What would you say is the downsides? From where did you get the metrics that people wanted a clothes shop? Or is this solely something to pull in new customers and grow the Eve universe, if so are you certain those customers in potentia are really out there? I think you showing us that you've thought about this from more than an economic perspective would do wonders in easing people's minds.

Third. The plan right now for Eve is vanity MT only. Dust will use MT throughout, if I understand it correctly. Dust will impact Eve sovereignty warfare. Will you make sure that the money someone invests in Dust will not give an "unfair advantage" in Eve?

Stephanie Rose
Nos Exigo Effercio
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:47:00 - [557]
 

Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto
Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Don Aubaris

Edit : And I'm in aggreement with some other posts. Some kind of 'amnesty' should be given to players that got banned for protesting too fiery.



You mean for threatening real live employees over a video game?

Bans should be permanent. Zero tolerance is the only deterrent for this behavior.

Mr Epeen Cool



I doubt that anyone intended for their statements to be real life threats and ccp must know this as well.

They were just looking for an excuse to ban their most vocal critics.


The banning of accounts is good for revenue as well, because most people who get banned don't go away, they buy a new account an keep playing. So, with this in mind, why unban an account?

Did you really think that all the botters went away? No, they bought new accounts an refined their bots more.

CCP is in need of more revenue.

The Chemist
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:47:00 - [558]
 

Edited by: The Chemist on 02/07/2011 20:47:47
This whole hard cash for better stuff in eve thing has always had me confused.
Surely if you have a pile of cash and not much time, you can open an account, buy 1000 plex/GTC?whatever they are these days, for real money, then sell them in game for ISK. Then you just buy a 5/6 year old character for isk with all the ships 'n' do-hickys you want and Bob's you're mothers brother.

I may be wrong and this isn't possible, I haven't played much (unless you class looking at Deltole station interior as playing) for the last couple of years.

Feisty Cadavar
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:47:00 - [559]
 

Originally by: Geksz
Edited by: Geksz on 02/07/2011 17:06:10
Edited by: Geksz on 02/07/2011 17:01:09
Will there be an explanation on WHY CAN'T WE HAVE A PERMANENT HANGAR BAY VEIW (like the old one without Incarna)? And why isn't Incarna optional like CCP promised earlier? (I'm sorry, but the option to have a still picture instead if the hangar is really disappointing, and in early test builds it wasn't even there!!!)

The blog clearly states that CCP is working on implementing a new spinning ship hangar view. OK, good to know, but what was wrong with the old one?


+10000 - I think everyone was under the impression that CQ would be optional. You dock up in a spinning ship view. You have a button or something labeled "leave pod" - whatever and it loads CQ / and or the "Walking in stations" environment.

I think this 'new spinning ship interface' combined with leaving the CQ in the settings menu is stupid. It doesn't make sense. Put the old thing in place and if someone wants to leave their pod and relax on their couch - then let em via a button or something. If someone wants to dock up, change ships, and undock - let em do that too.

I think CCP is missing some of the picture. Sure CQ takes up more CPU / GPU resources but it also impacts game play. I think when they're talking about "releasing CQ when Incarna performance meets pre-Incarna performance" that they're addressing the technical specifications but not the user play style. I want to be able to dock up, and swap ships and be back out. I don't want to have to dock up, load up into a body, cycle through my ships, then hit 'board ship' then undock - thats just stupid. Even in game story mode that is stupid - lets just keep jumping in and out of our pod? Why not stay in a pod if we're already in one? Seems would cause some nasty neural problems over time :D

If this was a product I designed - I'd probably have something like you dock up, and you see from the inside of the ship out to the hangar deck with a camera flying around your ship displaying your current ship ( that you can spin ). I'd have the ability to change ships. I'd have an animation that makes it appear as if you've materialized into your new ship. Right on my main screen I'd have a "leave pod" button or have something that denoted the ability to leave my pod - enter the space station and have something to drink with my fellow capsuleers.

I know it may not be everyone's opinion but in my opinion the proper thing to do is to look at the design and try to incorporate the technical specs ( how does the thing perform on various pieces of hardware ) user play, and back-story into CQ and eventually WIS.

Just my .02
FC

Bogran
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:47:00 - [560]
 

white wash bog is PR junk and nothing else.

add a button to the old station view > enter CQ. it really is that simple

and actually state no none vanity items ever.

ccp you constantly amaze me how you **** about with everything but the simplest option and straight up facts.

SteamViper
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:48:00 - [561]
 

Good Communication and Trust between CCP and the Eve community HAS ALWAYS been a FUNDAMENTAL PRIORITY for CCP so where did you guys forget all of that? Treat the player base like you would do with the wife or kids.
Oh and by the way even though there is a world recession and times are hard you top Execs should remember that the selling of the "BIG ISSUE" magazine still has positions open throughtout the UK. Can still see Hilmar outside my WH Smiths on the high street.

Tob'ruk
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:49:00 - [562]
 

Edited by: Tob''ruk on 02/07/2011 20:54:16
Thanks to the CSM and CCP for addressing these issues in this face to face manner, may it lead to even better co-operation between the players and the company in the future.

I would also urge those who unsubbed to reconsider their decision in light of these statements. We the players as the community are what makes the game what it is and losing players makes EvE less great. It is also ultimately a matter of survival for the game we enjoy so much and clear that by unsubbing it is more likely than not that the game will fail.

I would also urge CCP to nurture the playerbase and game more than previously done these past couple of years and if it means having to mothball both or one of the other of the new games in development ..... do that rather than let EvE die Twisted Evil Also I would urge CEO Hilmar to address the playerbase directly on the leaked email, was it real/fake and if real he should issue an apology.

Cheers!

Caiyuga Onishi
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:50:00 - [563]
 

Thank you CSM, thank you CCP

subscription: +1

It would have been easier to just answer that question a week ago.. but ok. You stated that you will put more effort into communication.
Now to log back in and make up for a week of not playing EVE.

This shows EVE is indeed very different from ANY other game out there - CCP respects the playerbase. I've never experienced anything like that in any other game. Rage in Jita/on the forums leads to emergency summit of the CSM (wich is, again very unique around MMOs)


A satisfied customer.

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:51:00 - [564]
 

"The CSM raised concerns with performance running multiple clients after the Incarna launch where the minimum hardware spec will only support one client logged in when in a station environment. CCP will work on creating a minimum hardware spec that supports multiple clients, but wants it to be clear that the current minimum specification aims at single client with low settings."

In other words, Tough ****. If our crappy software overheats your computer, even though you can play every other game out there without problems, we won't fix our software, we'll tell you to get a more expensive computer. If you bought and paid for multiple accounts for years because we designed multiple in-game advantages to doing so and had multiple marketing campaigns to encourage doing so, that was your bad.

Strazdas Unstoppable
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:52:00 - [565]
 

This is a step in the right direction. however you still do no promise no non-vanity items in nex in fiture. you have no current plans. plans may appear tomorrow. infact, you do have plans, the newsletter was leaked after all. also it appears that CSM didnt took much notice into that newsletter. while it may not express current state of ccp policy, the whole thing of lead designer suggesting more fitting slots for aurum is proof enough that you should not be trusted. you dont go suggesting things that you never plan to do.
Also the incarna performance thing still looks like very little noticed. you made the minimal requirements fit the changes. this would be fine, if it werent that the minimum requirements are the same as for games that manage to have much better graphics whole populating world with not 1, but 50 people. optimization. learn how to do it. I know that most game designers nowadays ignore (or are uncapable?) to do it. but that does not mean you should be slacking too.

Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Caldari
River-Rats in space
The Ditanian Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:55:00 - [566]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
A blog has been published which includes a joint overview video with CCP Zulu, Senior Producer of EVE Online, and The Mittani, CSM Chairman; a German transcript and a Russian transcript of the video will be added once translation has been completed. Individual statements by the CCP and the CSM, which are also available in German and Russian have been published. Please note that at the time of this post the CSM delegates departed Iceland today and are en route to their respective homes, therefore they may not be available for immediate comment.

To read the blog in full, please click on this link.

Update at 00:26 UTC. German and Russian video transcripts added.


On this day, and with that which I have seen, I will silence my voice and quell the wrath of the spurned lest it take hold over my soul and march onward with a mind of it's own. Should my trust be breached?, I vow upon my very essence to loose the hound and place no barriers against its fury and thirst for retribution...

o/
Bill
AKA K.S.

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:56:00 - [567]
 

"The CSM helped CCP understand the emotional connection players had with „ship spinning". They vehemently demanded the return of the feature, which CCP committed to introduce in some form at a future date. Until that functionality is added back in, the option to load station environments will remain in the Settings menu."

"in some form" = More weasel room. Probably will require walking from one end of the station to the other to enter the 'ship spinner' or some horse**** like that.

Make Incarna optional.

Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Caldari
River-Rats in space
The Ditanian Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:58:00 - [568]
 

Originally by: Pierced Brosmen
My biggest question now is: When do we get our "I forum-trolled and rioted against non-vanity MT and all I got was this lousy T-shirt" T-shirt Laughing

Also, how much will it cost?



THIS^^^

Twisted Evil

o/
K.S.

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:58:00 - [569]
 

Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
"The CSM helped CCP understand the emotional connection players had with „ship spinning". They vehemently demanded the return of the feature, which CCP committed to introduce in some form at a future date. Until that functionality is added back in, the option to load station environments will remain in the Settings menu."

"in some form" = More weasel room. Probably will require walking from one end of the station to the other to enter the 'ship spinner' or some horse**** like that.

Make Incarna optional.


I'd prefer if CCP just made you disappear.

Henrica Gaufridus
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:58:00 - [570]
 

As big of an ass as Mittens is, I know he's not about to take **** from anyone. Actually, I think that's why he doesn't take **** from anyone, because he IS an ass. He's also a relatively straight-shooter, he'll tell you if he thinks you're full of ****. Thus, when he ended his blog with the following statement, I believe him:

I want to sleep for a week and if I have to come back to Reyk before December's summit I'm going to be ****ing furious. But, ~imo~ ****'s sorted with CCP.

So I guess I'll stick around until CCP does something else stupid.


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