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Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.07.02 14:19:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Lina Thamaris
It was clear from the start that it was all a ****storm about nothing.



Reminds me of that scene in El Cid where Moses makes the beardy dude swear on the bible he had nothing to do with the other beardy dude's death. Laughing

Lidia Prince
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.02 14:20:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Lidia Prince on 02/07/2011 14:22:39
Quote:
to make sure other people wouldn't be buying game time with real money in the next months to hurt CCPs cash flow.

You don't know where PLEXes are coming from, do you?

Aldan Romar
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.02 14:21:00 - [33]
 

So basically

> CCP makes controversial content changes
> some leaked info indicates the controversy might get worse
> people take the leaked info at face value, blowing everything out of proportion
> CCP summons the CSM to talk about their plans
> CSM reports the controversy is not as bad as people thought
> people are still unhappy

Shocked

Would you have been happier the other way round?

What did you expect? CCP taking back Incarna?

Onyx Blackman
Posted - 2011.07.02 14:21:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
The dev alts are thick in here.


You should stop posting. You are very bad at it.

loony thezoon
Posted - 2011.07.02 14:22:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Holy One
Originally by: Lina Thamaris
It was clear from the start that it was all a ****storm about nothing.



Reminds me of that scene in El Cid where Moses makes the beardy dude swear on the bible he had nothing to do with the other beardy dude's death. Laughing


wtf? Moses? El Cid?

I don't know why I am giggling

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.02 14:24:00 - [36]
 

tl;dr I am a binge drinker with lots of super secret connections and everything's ok, trust me. Fearless spawned randomly, nobody at CCP actually wrote it. If you think otherwise, you're a conspiracy theorist. I won the war, yay me.

Until now, I didn't give a rat's ass one way or the other about this punk. But seriously, it's time for this CSM to go. Arrogant, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

Cordran Li
Posted - 2011.07.02 14:25:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Lina Thamaris
It was clear from the start that it was all a ****storm about nothing.

Nothing CCP did or said suggested otherwise. All good, keep calm and keep pewing.
Two unsubbed accounts and two sold toons paying for the last previously subbed one says otherwise. I also gave about 6bn ISK away to make sure other people wouldn't be buying game time with real money in the next months to hurt CCPs cash flow.
Concurrency numbers show that the 'meh, makes no difference' people are wrong.


CCP still gets money for plex bought with ISK. You must be smart.

Lidia Prince
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.02 14:26:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
tl;dr I am a binge drinker with lots of super secret connections and everything's ok, trust me. Fearless spawned randomly, nobody at CCP actually wrote it. If you think otherwise, you're a conspiracy theorist. I won the war, yay me.

Until now, I didn't give a rat's ass one way or the other about this punk. But seriously, it's time for this CSM to go. Arrogant, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

Fat your trolling is, young padavan.

RAW23
Posted - 2011.07.02 14:27:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
Fearless spawned randomly, nobody at CCP actually wrote it.


I laughed.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.02 14:29:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: RougeOperator
He really expects us to believe this load of crap? They had a week to get their story straight before they talked to him as well.

The hilmar email confirms that they dont think the Newsletter is toiletpaper. they had a week to decide to tell everyone no one takes it seriously. Thats baloney to anyone that ever worked in a corporate environment.

I'm not buying it either. Downplaying the significance of the Fearless letter is just a strategy: first voiced by Pann, and now apparently compounded by the CSM.

The Hilmar email leaves little room for interpretation.

I hope the CSM is going to come up with something a whole lot better than this.

P.S. And CSM members, stop drinking so much, and telling us how wasted you were. You have a job to do, dammit! Just do it!

Mail Lite
FLA5HY RED
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2011.07.02 14:32:00 - [41]
 

If CCP and the CSM comes out with a good Dev Blog and says the NEX store is vanity only then I will continue to play this awsome game.

If they come out and say that they may introduce 'Pay to Win' items in the future I will leave my accounts unsubbed (This one has 10 days ish left on it)

If they come out non commital I will leave 2 of my accounts unsubbed and keep this one going until they actually do come down on one side of the fence or the other. Then make a discision based on that.


Uglavitch Nefrex
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.07.02 14:37:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Uglavitch Nefrex on 02/07/2011 14:36:59
They are all full of ****.

Jason1138
Posted - 2011.07.02 14:40:00 - [43]
 

"I hope we can get back to "playing" the game instead of whining about it soon..."


did you think when you logged onto the forums here that you'd be playing the game?

Just Another Toon
Posted - 2011.07.02 14:42:00 - [44]
 

csm just are ccp monkeys - too late for me ccp are a terrible company theres no getting away from it

Sophie Burns
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2011.07.02 14:50:00 - [45]
 

Ok, have read it.

Found no content.
Ok, fearless document is unimportant, got thisone.
Still found no content. Need content to decide resub.


Give content, not just more blablabla

Cordran Li
Posted - 2011.07.02 14:55:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Sophie Burns
Ok, have read it.

Found no content.
Ok, fearless document is unimportant, got thisone.
Still found no content. Need content to decide resub.


Give content, not just more blablabla


I think you mean no answer. There are words which means it has content. If it were a wordless post then it would have no content.

Josie Grosie
Posted - 2011.07.02 14:59:00 - [47]
 

I'm sorry but the whole toilet reading thing is crap. The fact that that the newsletter was leaked speaks volumes. Some will say its just a disgruntled employee who was unhappy and betrayed his colleagues and employers....fine I wont disagree with that. However add to that the email and a lot of the players got the message that was being conveyed. So bitter or someone who actually cared about the direction EVE was heading, he still had a point to make.

Whatever happens its time to put these last few weeks behind us and move on. A lot of the players have shown their discontent to CCP, its up to them whether they listen or not. At the end of the day we lose a game, there is much more on the line for them. CCP developed a game that has been immense pleasure to play. I have never experienced a game that has had such a long lasting effect on me. If they decide to continue on the path they are on for EVE well thanks for the memories and no hard feelings. I hope that the newer players get half as much fun out the game that I have.

Ban Doga
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:06:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Ban Doga on 02/07/2011 15:08:32
Originally by: Lidia Prince
Edited by: Lidia Prince on 02/07/2011 14:22:39
Quote:
to make sure other people wouldn't be buying game time with real money in the next months to hurt CCPs cash flow.

You don't know where PLEXes are coming from, do you?


Did you fail at reading comprehension in school that badly too?

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:08:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Vandrion on 02/07/2011 15:09:17
Originally by: Sasha Whorlita


"No one in CCP gives a **** about Fearless, it's toilet reading. Sorry. It looks controversial as hell to players but it's ****. This is where a bunch of you are going to cry and clutch your favorite conspiracy theories, but you don't know what you're talking about. The significance of Greed is Good, ofc, is the leak, the botched handling of the messaging afterwards, the Angryblog, etc. But the newsletter itself is just company garbage, the same crap most companies have. "

http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?2614-Mittani-s-CSM-Twitter-Updates&p=137331&viewfull=1#post137331


Mittens is right that it is the usual company crap..

He is wrong about everything else about it though... Newsletters communicate what the company has done and what it is going to do. I know.. I have written more then one......

CCP is just trying to downplay it and Mittens has been doing the same since it came out.......

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:10:00 - [50]
 

"Fearless" is like every other company internal newsletter/team briefing.

Its intended to tell the employee where the company is going in terms of general strategy.

It is toilet reading for most employees. It is gospel for most senior managers though.

Fearless reads like "this is the plan guys, going to be :awesome: now get onboard".

Mittens is spinning Neutral

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:15:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Kalle Demos on 02/07/2011 15:15:30
OH MY GOD! YOU MEAN ALL THIS TIME A PUBLIC / OPEN NEWSLETTER TURNED OUT TO BE IRRELEVANT :SHOCKING:

Like I said before, I bet all the whiners believe in the illuminati and think a giant eyeball / triangle are taking over the world

Now can we PLEASE go back to whining about supercaps, geez

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:18:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Othran
"Fearless" is like every other company internal newsletter/team briefing.

Its intended to tell the employee where the company is going in terms of general strategy.

It is toilet reading for most employees. It is gospel for most senior managers though.

Fearless reads like "this is the plan guys, going to be :awesome: now get onboard".

Mittens is spinning Neutral


Yup good summation

Govinda Sertan
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:19:00 - [53]
 

It's sad that i have lost any kind of trut in both CCP and CSM. They talk like complete ******ed children.

Ban Doga
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:22:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Ban Doga on 02/07/2011 15:23:13
Originally by: Kalle Demos
Edited by: Kalle Demos on 02/07/2011 15:15:30
OH MY GOD! YOU MEAN ALL THIS TIME A PUBLIC / OPEN NEWSLETTER TURNED OUT TO BE IRRELEVANT :SHOCKING:

Like I said before, I bet all the whiners believe in the illuminati and think a giant eyeball / triangle are taking over the world

Now can we PLEASE go back to whining about supercaps, geez


I'm sure CCP thinks that newsletter is irrelevant (That's a nice statement: Our internal newsletter is a waste. Please ignore it while we continue to spend resources on it).

But (un)fortunately they don't get to decide what is relevant to me or anyone else.

EDIT: Oh and who keeps you from whining about supercaps?!

RAW23
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:23:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Kalle Demos


Like I said before, I bet all the whiners believe in the illuminati and think a giant eyeball / triangle are taking over the world



Get with the times old man. We did that decades ago. The current fun game is working out how we're ****ing with you now that we do control the world.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:23:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Ranka Mei on 02/07/2011 15:23:57
Originally by: Othran
"Fearless" is like every other company internal newsletter/team briefing.

Its intended to tell the employee where the company is going in terms of general strategy.

It is toilet reading for most employees. It is gospel for most senior managers though.

Fearless reads like "this is the plan guys, going to be :awesome: now get onboard".

Mittens is spinning Neutral

^^ Exactly this. Of course the newsletter means little to most employees -- it rarely does. Unfortunately, regular employees have no say in the matter. It's the brass that determines what direction the company will take; and to them it's important. THAT's what matters.

Hence, the Fearless letter is important.

Heroltior Ghedonia
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:25:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Heroltior Ghedonia on 02/07/2011 15:28:16
Why then, did it take CCP a week plus, to answer our questions in what would have taken them 1 hour to resolve? Instead, we get a condiscending statement stating that what we say is not important as what we do. Also, implying we are nothing but cash cows to be milked til dry. AGAIN, CCP, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO ADMIT YOU CAUSED THIS FROM THE BEINNING AND START LIVING UP TO WHAT YOUR "ABOUT" PAGE STATES? Or do I need to repost it so you are reminded of it again.

Also, why then, during all of the rage, did the devs stop posting with their dev alts? Instead, the forums are baraged with troll posts which are clearly seen as devs in disguise.

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:25:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Kalle Demos on 02/07/2011 15:25:40
Originally by: Ban Doga
Edited by: Ban Doga on 02/07/2011 15:23:13
Originally by: Kalle Demos
Edited by: Kalle Demos on 02/07/2011 15:15:30
OH MY GOD! YOU MEAN ALL THIS TIME A PUBLIC / OPEN NEWSLETTER TURNED OUT TO BE IRRELEVANT :SHOCKING:

Like I said before, I bet all the whiners believe in the illuminati and think a giant eyeball / triangle are taking over the world

Now can we PLEASE go back to whining about supercaps, geez


I'm sure CCP thinks that newsletter is irrelevant (That's a nice statement: Our internal newsletter is a waste. Please ignore it while we continue to spend resources on it).

But (un)fortunately they don't get to decide what is relevant to me or anyone else.

EDIT: Oh and who keeps you from whining about supercaps?!


"One thread makes its a troll, 10k threads makes it a protest"

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:25:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Othran
"Fearless" is like every other company internal newsletter/team briefing.

Its intended to tell the employee where the company is going in terms of general strategy.

It is toilet reading for most employees. It is gospel for most senior managers though.

Fearless reads like "this is the plan guys, going to be :awesome: now get onboard".

Mittens is spinning Neutral


Sorry for quoting myself - got dough rising (don't ask!) but the only thing missing from "Fearless" is a section for the Sports & Social Club* - it'd be more or less identical to an old Racal team briefing I had to give.

*to people outside the UK, remove sports and that's accurate enough Very Happy

Calden De'Altos
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:26:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Calden De''Altos on 02/07/2011 15:27:20
Just wanna point out a few things:

Being a journalist, the thing we are all taught is to check our facts. In other words, facts need to have multiple sources. Looking back at this, all the information was disciminated from Eve 24. If this was a true whistle-blower, then there would have been other new sources that wound up with the information. The fact Eve 24 was the one breaking all the news has me a bit suspect.

That being said, if this is all an elaborate smoke screen, and they do go through with "pay-to-win" items in the future, they have seen the player base's reaction. They know what to expect now. If they go through with it, its just time to move on. I know I will. I mean, you can pretty much call them liars at that point if they do go through with it. Until then, enjoy the game. There is really no point to keep spending your $15 to riot while you could be enjoying the game for what it was intended.



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