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Hemmo Paskiainen
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.02 11:14:00 - [1]
 

CCP U FAIL, serious, everything u introduced with incrana is a complete failur:

-aurum, monocles
-station thingy
-we even got better unprobable ships (arty mach's and nighmares)

Who ever is responsible for the final intoduction in patches..... sack him


Kobayashi Marru
Posted - 2011.07.02 11:18:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Hemmo Paskiainen

-we even got better unprobable ships (arty mach's and nighmares)



they weren't made unprobable. fail troll is fail. next time say you couldn't dock cause the station was cloaked.

olimacus
Red Sky Morning
Posted - 2011.07.02 11:18:00 - [3]
 

Please elaborate, if you will, on this "unprobeableness" you speak of

I thought sig radius to sig str was now hard capped at a number less than 1.08?

Saskie Castillo
Posted - 2011.07.02 11:19:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Hemmo Paskiainen
CCP U FAIL, serious, everything u introduced with incrana is a complete failur:

-aurum, monocles
-station thingy
-we even got better unprobable ships (arty mach's and nighmares)

Who ever is responsible for the final intoduction in patches..... sack him




Way to go, couldn't just use the other raving million threads about AUR, MT and Incrapnia? And btw, no ships are unprobable any more, you just happen to suck at probing.

Lelob
Posted - 2011.07.02 11:24:00 - [5]
 

OP just got introduced to Burn Eden from the sounds of it Laughing

Azztoroid
Shipwreck cove
Posted - 2011.07.02 11:26:00 - [6]
 

someone should read forums abit....

old days = 4

Incarna days = 8

Wount help more.......

Aethlyn
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.02 11:27:00 - [7]
 

They didn't make bigger ships "unprobable". They changed the scan probe formula to make the corresponding skills more worthwhile. Before leveling them to level 3 was more than enough to track down a lot of signatures and ships and you also couldn't use more than 4 scanner probes at once. So it might seem like ships are harder to scan down now, but you just need better skills or have to invest more time (align probes better and such).

Hemmo Paskiainen
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.02 11:41:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Aethlyn
They didn't make bigger ships "unprobable". They changed the scan probe formula to make the corresponding skills more worthwhile. Before leveling them to level 3 was more than enough to track down a lot of signatures and ships and you also couldn't use more than 4 scanner probes at once. So it might seem like ships are harder to scan down now, but you just need better skills or have to invest more time (align probes better and such).


this is bull****, i can make arty fit mach so that they are unprobable for a probing char with all L5 skills + cov up + scan rigs + sister launcher and probes. Max I get is 77 %, come visit hed-gp today and i show u what i mean

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.07.02 11:45:00 - [9]
 

If true you need to file an bug/exploit petition.

However what I suspect is your only using 3 or 4 probes and you need to use 5-6.


Executor Actual
Posted - 2011.07.02 11:46:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Hemmo Paskiainen
Originally by: Aethlyn
They didn't make bigger ships "unprobable". They changed the scan probe formula to make the corresponding skills more worthwhile. Before leveling them to level 3 was more than enough to track down a lot of signatures and ships and you also couldn't use more than 4 scanner probes at once. So it might seem like ships are harder to scan down now, but you just need better skills or have to invest more time (align probes better and such).


this is bull****, i can make arty fit mach so that they are unprobable for a probing char with all L5 skills + cov up + scan rigs + sister launcher and probes. Max I get is 77 %, come visit hed-gp today and i show u what i mean


seeing as how my corp found a previously unprobable proteus (based on fit) and were able to scan it down and pop it, as the user was afk and decloaked, I can confirm to you that you fail at scanning, and it is not impossible, you just suck at it. just cause your tactics from before patch a don't work now after patch a, doesn't mean patch a made scanning impossible. it just changed the method of scanning, and you have yet to figure out what the differences are before patch a and after..

Space Wanderer
Posted - 2011.07.02 12:31:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Space Wanderer on 02/07/2011 12:31:18
Originally by: olimacus
Please elaborate, if you will, on this "unprobeableness" you speak of

I thought sig radius to sig str was now hard capped at a number less than 1.08?


HIGHER, not less. 1.147 to be exact. And yes, with that number you can probe everything (with proper skill/equipment). I tested the cap and it works. Of course the special cases mentioned by the OP culd be bugs I did not find out, but I think most likely that the OP tried to probe stuff with only 4 probes...

Jack Dant
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.02 12:36:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Space Wanderer
HIGHER, not less. 1.147 to be exact. And yes, with that number you can probe everything (with proper skill/equipment). I tested the cap and it works. Of course the special cases mentioned by the OP culd be bugs I did not find out, but I think most likely that the OP tried to probe stuff with only 4 probes...


I have tried to probe the machs my corpmate is talking about. No maxed skills by any means, but all 4s, rigged covops, faction launcher, faction probes, 8 probes in an approximate sphere placed at minimum range around the grid they were in.

I couldn't get above 67%.

Space Wanderer
Posted - 2011.07.02 12:48:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Space Wanderer on 02/07/2011 12:48:35
Edited by: Space Wanderer on 02/07/2011 12:48:13
Originally by: Jack Dant

I have tried to probe the machs my corpmate is talking about. No maxed skills by any means, but all 4s, rigged covops, faction launcher, faction probes, 8 probes in an approximate sphere placed at minimum range around the grid they were in.

I couldn't get above 67%.


With the setup you describe I would expect you to get up to 76%, but not much more than that. You need full skill/equipment and at least SOME implants, if yo want to find some ships who reached the cap.

Space Wanderer
Posted - 2011.07.02 12:59:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Hemmo Paskiainen
this is bull****, i can make arty fit mach so that they are unprobable for a probing char with all L5 skills + cov up + scan rigs + sister launcher and probes. Max I get is 77 %, come visit hed-gp today and i show u what i mean


That is correct. Then fit virtue implants in your char and see the mach pop.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.02 13:06:00 - [15]
 

Fail troll being fail.

Zanes Shoubje
Posted - 2011.07.02 13:18:00 - [16]
 

Quote:
-we even got better unprobable ships (arty mach's and nighmares)

I want.

Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.07.02 13:30:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Space Wanderer
Originally by: Hemmo Paskiainen
this is bull****, i can make arty fit mach so that they are unprobable for a probing char with all L5 skills + cov up + scan rigs + sister launcher and probes. Max I get is 77 %, come visit hed-gp today and i show u what i mean


That is correct. Then fit virtue implants in your char and see the mach pop.
Woot. CCP has "fixed" things and forced combat probers into buying 1B+ in implants to probe down stuff. Buy moar GTCs for the ISKies! Support the Icelandic nation (and corrupt bankers)!

Space Wanderer
Posted - 2011.07.02 13:35:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Hakaru Ishiwara
Woot. CCP has "fixed" things and forced combat probers into buying 1B+ in implants to probe down stuff.


I don't see the issue. Risk vs reward. There are too many cheap probing alts around. If you want to probe somebody who steeled against probing you at least have to be serious about that.

Anyway, note I said "some". You don't need the full virtue set.

Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
Posted - 2011.07.02 14:46:00 - [19]
 

Well, CCP are working hard to make the game barely playable for those who can't throw around billions of ISK on ships and equipment. Simple logic - the more billions you'll need to compete, the more GTC's will be consumed. There's one flaw in this logic though - 300k customers who spend $15 per month bring more money than 20k customers who spend $100 per month.

Pharos Pharos
Posted - 2011.07.02 14:53:00 - [20]
 

As much fun as it is to Hurf Blurf :ccp:, these unprobeable ships were around *before* Incarna and were completely unprobeable then. I think there's even a whine thread somewhere on these forums by some Burn Eden guy complaining about how the unprobeable nerf ruined the last bastion of sniping.

In short, get some virtues or gtfo, CCP made it so you actually have a chance here, you should thank them.

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.02 14:57:00 - [21]
 


Blacksquirrel
Posted - 2011.07.02 14:58:00 - [22]
 

Doesnt mean to probe out ships you dont need MAX everything...and say 8 probes.

Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:00:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Pharos Pharos
As much fun as it is to Hurf Blurf :ccp:, these unprobeable ships were around *before* Incarna and were completely unprobeable then. I think there's even a whine thread somewhere on these forums by some Burn Eden guy complaining about how the unprobeable nerf ruined the last bastion of sniping.

In short, get some virtues or gtfo, CCP made it so you actually have a chance here, you should thank them.


Seeing as you are new at Eve, I'd remind you what Eve was about - it was about skill, it was about every player being able to make a difference. It was not like WoW where one lvl 50 toon could kill 10 lvl 30 toons alone. Now what? CCP are slowly dismantling that. You can't fight faction ships gang, unless you throw at them the similar amount of ISK either in ships or modules, you can't hold sov unless you can field craploads of supercaps which can be countered only by bigger supercap blob. Eve is becoming less and less about skill and more and more about wallets (GTC's). 2005 Eve was great, now it's only blobs, hotdrops and megaexpensive ships.

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:18:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Estephania
2005 Eve was great, now it's only blobs, hotdrops and megaexpensive ships.

Jelek Coro
Erase Rewind
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:48:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Hemmo Paskiainen
Originally by: Aethlyn
They didn't make bigger ships "unprobable". They changed the scan probe formula to make the corresponding skills more worthwhile. Before leveling them to level 3 was more than enough to track down a lot of signatures and ships and you also couldn't use more than 4 scanner probes at once. So it might seem like ships are harder to scan down now, but you just need better skills or have to invest more time (align probes better and such).


this is bull****, i can make arty fit mach so that they are unprobable for a probing char with all L5 skills + cov up + scan rigs + sister launcher and probes. Max I get is 77 %, come visit hed-gp today and i show u what i mean


No you can't. You just can't scan.


Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:56:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Hakaru Ishiwara
Woot. CCP has "fixed" things and forced combat probers into buying 1B+ in implants to probe down stuff. Buy moar GTCs for the ISKies! Support the Icelandic nation (and corrupt bankers)!

Don't be daft, son. Or egocentric, rather. Try and look at the other side for a moment. I spent billions on implants and viable unprobable setups too; and then CCP nerfed me.

At the very least it should cost a prober a bit of effort and isk too. Though I'd rather not have gotten nerfed, I'd say the current situation is rather balanced, on a whole.


 

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