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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.07.03 12:13:00 - [31]
 

Very nice report, shows just how powerful RR is in the right hands and how godly a properly drilled triage carrier crew can be.

Also shows that supers are nigh impossible to kill without supers though, so 'meh' Very Happy

Lovelocke
Enlightened Industries
Posted - 2011.07.03 15:00:00 - [32]
 

Brilliant writeup there Maldoror. Easy to read and entertaining. I also appreciate the explanation of the tactics; to younger FC's like myself a good AAR can really help and give ideas.

Lord Maldoror
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.07.03 15:57:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Very nice report, shows just how powerful RR is in the right hands and how godly a properly drilled triage carrier crew can be.

Also shows that supers are nigh impossible to kill without supers though, so 'meh' Very Happy


Thanks for the comments. As for logged supers, yes, certainly a lot of EHP to chew through. At that hour of the morning and far from home, it wasn't possible to bring in enough firepower although once the Levi was in one super nearly fell short of the timer.

There was a fight recently (the report is somewhere on FHC) where we attacked what became of a total of 23 caps (of which 8 were supers). We had about 25 bs with heavy Guardian support & we were able to kill off most of the normal caps and one Wyvern. But a Nyx disappeared in half-armour and same for the rest. I think that sort of thing is par for the course really, given supercapital EHP. Even if you win a fight, mass-logging of supercaps will always result in most of them surviving if you don't have overwhelming firepower. But as long as there's an awesome fight before the the supers log, I don't mind too much.

kyrieee
Bite me inc.
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.07.03 16:23:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: kyrieee on 03/07/2011 17:04:42
Fantasic BR
I hope there will be some video footage of it eventually

Originally by: Lord Maldoror
However, don't underestimate the Archon's cap recharge. On our normal fit triage carrier, it's +791 cap/second with implants. So with two local reps runnig that would be 791 - 427 = 364 cap/second.


With 3x CPR II in the lows, 4x CR in the mids, 3x CCCs, strong mindflood and CR10 + CC10 implants I'm just getting +736.1. What am I missing? Smile

linkeleo
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.07.03 20:59:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: kyrieee
Edited by: kyrieee on 03/07/2011 17:04:42
Fantasic BR
I hope there will be some video footage of it eventually

Originally by: Lord Maldoror
However, don't underestimate the Archon's cap recharge. On our normal fit triage carrier, it's +791 cap/second with implants. So with two local reps runnig that would be 791 - 427 = 364 cap/second.


With 3x CPR II in the lows, 4x CR in the mids, 3x CCCs, strong mindflood and CR10 + CC10 implants I'm just getting +736.1. What am I missing? Smile


one capacitor power relay. archon has 7 lowslots

Lord Maldoror
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.07.04 00:40:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: kyrieee
With 3x CPR II in the lows, 4x CR in the mids, 3x CCCs, strong mindflood and CR10 + CC10 implants I'm just getting +736.1. What am I missing? Smile


I had a fit with 4x CPR & single resist mod (without Mindflood) in mind to get the 791. In fact with the CR10 + CC10 you mention it would be 807 cap/second on that build - I count the triage pilots as having '8s for implants rather than the '10s. With Mindflood there would then be even more of course. But the problem with Mindflood is that it shares slot 1 with Exile, and a situation like that needs a Strong Exile.

Billy Stevens
Caldari
Psykotic Meat
Posted - 2011.07.04 03:02:00 - [37]
 

That was an awesome read,

Telvani
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
Posted - 2011.07.04 10:33:00 - [38]
 

Please tell me you are working on another video, loved the last two and this sounds incredible.

Flynn Fetladral
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2011.07.04 10:40:00 - [39]
 

This was such an amazing read. Thanks for sharing.

ChromeStriker
Posted - 2011.07.04 11:21:00 - [40]
 

Very good read! i look forward to any more

Rhamnousia
Caldari
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.07.04 11:33:00 - [41]
 

i was dancing on razorblade (as in skirting on the edge of triage rep range to maximize my dps, being in a blasterthron. yes, in a fleet) for much of the fight (sry shani). the chimera pairs that made it out, you truly are some lucky sods :)

i enjoyed it, as anyone would. even MM, while humbled, was friendly and tip their hats to us on the way out.

Drykor
Minmatar
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.07.04 13:30:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Drykor on 04/07/2011 13:31:36
Nice write-up.

Originally by: Lord Maldoror
Assuming the hostile caps were not Talisman-set fitted (which is unlikely)


Are you saying it's unlikely that they aren't fitted with talismans or that they are fitted with talismans? I haven't heard of caps using these very often but I'm no expert on triage.

Sevena Black
Posted - 2011.07.04 14:44:00 - [43]
 

Great stuff this. ty for posting Maldoror

wallenbergaren
Posted - 2011.07.04 14:46:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Drykor
Edited by: Drykor on 04/07/2011 13:31:36
Nice write-up.

Originally by: Lord Maldoror
Assuming the hostile caps were not Talisman-set fitted (which is unlikely)


Are you saying it's unlikely that they aren't fitted with talismans or that they are fitted with talismans? I haven't heard of caps using these very often but I'm no expert on triage.

I can't speak for him but I'm going to do it anyway.
He means that that it's unlikely that they were Talisman fitted, but the way he wrote suggests that they were Talisman fitted even though that's not what he meant.

99% sure :P

Lord Maldoror
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.07.04 15:25:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Drykor
Are you saying it's unlikely that they aren't fitted with talismans or that they are fitted with talismans? I haven't heard of caps using these very often but I'm no expert on triage.


As in, they probably would not be HG talisman fit, so the calculation example in my reply didn't include the reduced neut cycle time of talisman. I suppose the shield tanking supers could be, if they are not using a Nomad set (faster hit and run). But I'd certainly expect Aeons and Nyx to be HG slave.

Mesh Marillion
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.07.04 15:27:00 - [46]
 

Its indeed very unlikely to have supercaps sporting a talisman set. An energy Aeon might use one but that would prolly use transfers instead of neuts even though supporting the energy transfers with talismans is very effective, even in guardians. But dedicated energy transfer ships are rather rare, most alliances prefer to mix it up with remote reps.

Michael Turate
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:23:00 - [47]
 

Excellent read and a great battle report. One of the best things I've read on here for a long time!

Mystical Might
Amarr
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:35:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Mystical Might on 04/07/2011 16:35:36
So Uhh... Video Pl0x? :P

EDIT:

What everyone else said.
Great read, Loved it. The pictures... Razz
You need to write some more... and record it.

DaVinci Spinner
Caldari
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.07.04 21:39:00 - [49]
 

I'll echo my comments from the FHC thread. This was the most intense and enjoyable triage fights that I can remember. We do have some fraps from this fight although I'm fail as I forgot to turn mine on in the heat of the moment so there's no triage perspective of the fight.

DaVinci Spinner

Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em
Stellar Defense Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.05 02:56:00 - [50]
 

This is one of the best battle reports I have read in Eve on Carrier tactics.
(I will add this link to my page about carrier tactics as it exemplifies what carriers are able to do.)

I should add that I applaud your openness to putting into your report tactics that many Alliances would never talk about as others obviously will read this and possibly use these tactics even against your group. But there is a quote that you should appreciate:

"In today's environment, hoarding knowledge ultimately erodes your power. If you know something very important, the way to get power is by actually sharing it." Joseph Badaracco

Thanks.



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Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.05 06:48:00 - [51]
 

Damn, this was nice to read Shocked

bombre4life
Posted - 2011.07.05 09:04:00 - [52]
 

Great read, thanks! Just a question on HICs: how do they survive while tackling supers? They can't get remote reps and are probably neuted to hell, aren't they?

Rhamnousia
Caldari
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.07.05 10:50:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: bombre4life
Great read, thanks! Just a question on HICs: how do they survive while tackling supers? They can't get remote reps and are probably neuted to hell, aren't they?


multiple HICs, the prime can switch off scripted point to receive remote rep till the damage stops. they also inject (cap 200 are plenty enough to maintain point) to counter neuts.

Medarr
Amarr
Ghost Festival
Naraka.
Posted - 2011.07.05 11:21:00 - [54]
 

Awesome. Food for thought.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.07.05 11:53:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
...I should add that I applaud your openness to putting into your report tactics that many Alliances would never talk about as others obviously will read this and possibly use these tactics even against your group. But there is a quote that you should appreciate:...

Oh I am sure its out of pure self-interest that they do it, same as when PL happily publishes their nuggets.
Best way to get the "good fight" is if the opponent thinks he has you figured out and likes his chances .. Laughing

bombre4life
Posted - 2011.07.05 12:18:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Rhamnousia
Originally by: bombre4life
Great read, thanks! Just a question on HICs: how do they survive while tackling supers? They can't get remote reps and are probably neuted to hell, aren't they?


multiple HICs, the prime can switch off scripted point to receive remote rep till the damage stops. they also inject (cap 200 are plenty enough to maintain point) to counter neuts.


I see, thanks. But you brought only one HIC initially?

Dark Pangolin
Caldari
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
Posted - 2011.07.05 15:49:00 - [57]
 

Great thread! I'm sure expert piloting was happening on all fronts, Always a pleasure getting titan bridged by R&K :) btw...

...But I would like to note that I personally do not agree with caps being able to refit inside other caps...without which I do not believe you would have been able to hold your own. Though I understand this was by no means easy and in no way reduces the excellence of this thread...it just doesn't sit right with me :)

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.07.05 20:02:00 - [58]
 

Out of curiosity, when primaried and fitted for tanking, did the carrier use local repper(s) or instead fit 100% for resists and rely entirely on the other carrier for repping?

raukosen
Posted - 2011.07.06 01:25:00 - [59]
 

They said they refit to their Pantheon fit which has no local reppers

Miagi Sans
Amarr
PURgE-Corp
PURgE Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.06 06:05:00 - [60]
 

it was alot of fun, one of our first real fleet fights.

Good times.


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