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Raid'En
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:10:00 - [151]
 

Edited by: Raid''En on 01/07/2011 19:10:49
Originally by: Tutskii
How hard is to answer a "yes or no" question?

Are we gonna be told about japanese jeans again?

This is not Shakespeare you are writing and your evasion is not reassuring.

Also funny how "shortly" turned into "sometime not today"




from what i have read these last days the issue with CCP not answering by a simple "yes" or "no" was because there were an issue on what is considered "vanity items" and what is not.

if answer is big, i think it's because they will explains what they include inside the definition of "vanity items", and give examples (or maybe all) of what will be added with MTs, and what will not be.

it will also avoid them be called liars later if they add something that people find strange ; if they tell now what will be it will be easier.
and of course if they change their mind another time the rage of today would be nothing compared to what would happen.
and with complete information it will be easier for everyone to think about how they consider these acceptable or not.

that's the only explanation fitting the context i can see.


Jo Blot
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:10:00 - [152]
 

BREAKING NEWS:

- MONOCLEGATE STATEMENT REPORTED "LOST" IN HARD-DRIVE HEAD CRASH.
- WILL NEED "RETYPING" SAYS CSM SPOKESPERSON
- ORIGINAL NOTES "MISSING"
- "AT LEAST SEVERAL MORE WEEKS"

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:11:00 - [153]
 

Since the least bit of poor wording or even slightly ill-chosen metaphor will spark a new ****storm, the CSM should absolutely have advised them to get this one just right. Given CCP's aptitude for enraging their customers whenever they open their mouths without thinking, I'm content to see them stopping to think before speaking about such an important subject, just for once.

Atreus Venom
Gallente
New Eden Hitmen
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:11:00 - [154]
 

well whatever when they do post it I REALLY HOPE they have somebody waiting to answer our ****ing question... not be all like "ok time to feed the dogs" drop a story in front of us and go back to drinking... i just cant see how they put out these devblogs/reports and do not respond to feedback... it is insulting

Ein Spiegel
Minmatar
Fly-by-Night Industries LLC PTY LTD
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:12:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: YarrMama
Edited by: YarrMama on 01/07/2011 19:09:49
Ein Spiegel = CCP alt/fanboi!!!

What # am I?


You are primary.

Engage.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:13:00 - [156]
 

Why even pretend you want to read the statement. You have already decided it's going to be full of lies right? Why waste your time.

Oh, that's right, you want to give the appearance of being a reasonable adult when you continue your crusade.

If you were honest with yourself, you'd just start screaming now. You know that's what you are going to do no matter WHAT is said.

Normally, if someone posted what I just did, I would dismiss them as a troll. Unfortunately, I am accurately portraying a fairly large number of posters in this thread.

Atreus Venom
Gallente
New Eden Hitmen
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:13:00 - [157]
 

Big Print Edition


You see, Trebor, this is why we don't trust you and why so many people are referring to the CSM as a joke. You're either intentionally misrepresenting the entire situation or truly are clueless about how the community actually feels. So let's clarify it: We're not ****ed off because CCP failed to clearly communicate its plans for EVE to us. On the contrary, we have a very clear understanding of where CCP is headed and have already seen part of it with our own eyes with the release of Incarna.

Sorry, Trebor, but this is not just a big misunderstanding. Not by a long shot. A very significant portion of EVE players are fundamentally opposed to where CCP wants to take EVE, and we have no intention of being fleeced to pay for it. CCP's behavior has been appalling, if not entirely unexpected. But the response of the CSM has been slow, disorganized, and generally somewhat clueless. Many of us had hoped that would not be the case.

Unfortunately, the general consensus is that the CSM members have become willing participants in CCP's MT-fuelled dog and pony show. So no, we don't trust you. And no, your big 'joint statement' is not going to be taken at face value. It's going to be treated with the same skepticism with which many players have now learned to treat everything produced by CCP.

A little less frat boy partying and a little more attention to effective communication with the community might done wonders to change the perception of the CSM. The community's united response over the last week provided you and your fellow CSM members with a golden opportunity to finally push for a serious revision of CCP's long-term development roadmap. Instead, we've seen nothing but stalling and bragging about hangovers and partying with the devs.



come on everyone repost this

Imryn Xaran
Caldari
Coherent Light Enterprises
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:15:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: Hunter Verdeen
quote]

"the one thing that will influence how they continue or not in the game"

And you really wonder why they want to take the time to make sure the statement as complete and accurate as they can?


No I wonder why it takes so long to simply say this is what is going on and this is what the future holds. It needs to be done as truthfully as possible and sooner rather than later. It needs to be without and flourishes, rewording, or other sugar coating tactics. It does not take time to tell simple facts it does however take time to spin things to still state the truth but do it in a way that makes it harder to comprehend and perhaps is hidden by what you have and have not said. All anyone wants is the truthful answer to simple questions. This has gone beyond the whys, hows, etc. and the initial statement needs to give a simply answer with more details to come withing the next day or two.


If you are expecting some sort of bald statement of "facts" that contains "truth" then you are going to be disappointed.

Of course they are going to put the best possible spin on it they can. Of course they are going to give themselves as much wriggle room as they can. Anything less would be a betrayal of the one group of people whose interests they really do have a duty to look out for - the shareholders.

Ein Spiegel
Minmatar
Fly-by-Night Industries LLC PTY LTD
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:16:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Atreus Venom
well whatever when they do post it I REALLY HOPE they have somebody waiting to answer our ****ing question... not be all like "ok time to feed the dogs" drop a story in front of us and go back to drinking... i just cant see how they put out these devblogs/reports and do not respond to feedback... it is insulting


Well, with the ones relating to this ****storm (the last two or three, I think), they had a communication black out because first... they were afraid that if they let all the devs talk, the message would be muddled, unclear, and enhance the ****storm. Then they had one person lined up to speak... and her daughter required emergency surgery. (I'm ****ed about things, too, but let's all take a moment to wish well to CCP Pann's daughter, who has no reason to feel any wrath from any idiot in a pod.) Then the CSM was coming, and it was time to wait until the CSM stuck their hand in the collective CCP rectum and help form the words.

To be honest, I'm surprised CCP BigDumbObject was even replying to HIS techie devblog that was released at an awkward time.

Atreus Venom
Gallente
New Eden Hitmen
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:16:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
Why even pretend you want to read the statement. You have already decided it's going to be full of lies right? Why waste your time.

Oh, that's right, you want to give the appearance of being a reasonable adult when you continue your crusade.

If you were honest with yourself, you'd just start screaming now. You know that's what you are going to do no matter WHAT is said.

Normally, if someone posted what I just did, I would dismiss them as a troll. Unfortunately, I am accurately portraying a fairly large number of posters in this thread.



no....we dont like politics... you know why?... think about it

Elrica bloodbane
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:16:00 - [161]
 

Seriously can't help thinking. if there was any really good news.
It'd be trumpeted all over the forums by now.
With all the bad press of late. The csm would want to show how clever they are,
And CCP could certainly do with some good press.

Franz Sigel
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:16:00 - [162]
 

It started for me with losing my faith in CCP.

It's about to end with losing my faith in the players.

What a f***ing hell of a kindergarten!

Arista Shahni
Amarr
Murasaki Mining and Manufacturing
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:16:00 - [163]
 

Originally by: Ein Spiegel


You accept worse crap from your bank, your job, your kids, your family, and your government. Why hold CCP to a higher standard than even the Pope?




My bank holds my money. My job holds my livelihood. My family holds my love. My government holds my freedoms.

...

A game holds my interests.

At this point, EVE has lost it. This makes this entire post not calling you a CCP dev alt a troll by default.

CCP may be the livelihood of 500+ odd folks, but. They can get a new job.

But never will the community here be the same.

And worse, they do not care.



Hunter Verdeen
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:17:00 - [164]
 

Edited by: Hunter Verdeen on 01/07/2011 19:20:17
Originally by: Atreus Venom
Originally by: Hunter Verdeen
quote]

"the one thing that will influence how they continue or not in the game"

And you really wonder why they want to take the time to make sure the statement as complete and accurate as they can?


No I wonder why it takes so long to simply say this is what is going on and this is what the future holds. It needs to be done as truthfully as possible and sooner rather than later. It needs to be without and flourishes, rewording, or other sugar coating tactics. It does not take time to tell simple facts it does however take time to spin things to still state the truth but do it in a way that makes it harder to comprehend and perhaps is hidden by what you have and have not said. All anyone wants is the truthful answer to simple questions. This has gone beyond the whys, hows, etc. and the initial statement needs to give a simply answer with more details to come withing the next day or two.


it does when your scared of losing your player base or having more protests in game which i think there should be a ton more out there


If that is the concern and how things will be written then the document is already slanted and filled with spin and sugar coatings that hide the truth. In other words your statement makes my argument for me. The truth is simple and easy to write/say. Taking the truth and having it say what you want takes talent, time and lots of words.

Added: I think folks are missing something in my desire for the CSMs not CCP to give a brief truthful statement. CCP is going to spin this but the CSMs should not.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:17:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Atreus Venom
Big Print Edition


You see, Trebor, this is why we don't trust you and why so many people are referring to the CSM as a joke. You're either intentionally misrepresenting the entire situation or truly are clueless about how the community actually feels. So let's clarify it: We're not ****ed off because CCP failed to clearly communicate its plans for EVE to us. On the contrary, we have a very clear understanding of where CCP is headed and have already seen part of it with our own eyes with the release of Incarna.

Sorry, Trebor, but this is not just a big misunderstanding. Not by a long shot. A very significant portion of EVE players are fundamentally opposed to where CCP wants to take EVE, and we have no intention of being fleeced to pay for it. CCP's behavior has been appalling, if not entirely unexpected. But the response of the CSM has been slow, disorganized, and generally somewhat clueless. Many of us had hoped that would not be the case.

Unfortunately, the general consensus is that the CSM members have become willing participants in CCP's MT-fuelled dog and pony show. So no, we don't trust you. And no, your big 'joint statement' is not going to be taken at face value. It's going to be treated with the same skepticism with which many players have now learned to treat everything produced by CCP.

A little less frat boy partying and a little more attention to effective communication with the community might done wonders to change the perception of the CSM. The community's united response over the last week provided you and your fellow CSM members with a golden opportunity to finally push for a serious revision of CCP's long-term development roadmap. Instead, we've seen nothing but stalling and bragging about hangovers and partying with the devs.



come on everyone repost this


Thanks for proving my point nitwit.

Silas Cooper
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:17:00 - [166]
 

That official statement better not use the term "gold ammo" but rather "non-vanity". Otherwise we're back to where we started.

Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:18:00 - [167]
 

Just to announce I'll be standing for the next CSM.

Only policy in my manifesto is to scrap the CSM.

- Won't take any trip to Iceland and won't misrepresent players because a vote for me would be a vote for scrap the CSM, only that since we've not had that option before.

Viibl Triibl
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:18:00 - [168]
 

Edited by: Viibl Triibl on 01/07/2011 19:22:29
I promise that whatever they release will be unsatisfactory. CCP seems to think that the issue is that their decisions/framework weren't "communicated correctly", when the reality is that that their decisions/framework are shortsighted and blindly copy systems implemented by other, very different games.

I'm also fairly positive that they did not consider any of the sterling suggestions for alternate systems that would be more appropriate for Eve while still generating additional revenue.

It's unclear whether or not Trebor and the other CSM even presented these ideas, despite them being repeated in several domains.

This trip was to "explain it right" to the CSM and placate them, it seems. Now they're going to "explain it right" to us in the hopes that, if packaged differently, their ****ty plan for the future of Eve will be accepted by the existing base of passionate fans.



Zen Sarum
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:18:00 - [169]
 

If you were there taking part in the riots (including CSM members btw) you will know we gave it till the 2nd...

No one is going to have 2 days of meetings and have it written up immediately.

No one expects at this point the answer to the yellow question will be straight forward 'NO' and it'll need to be ... 'NO FOREVER, IN ANY WAY NOT IN EVE OR EVEN IN DUST FFS' which is why allot of people quit.

We want to give the opportunity for this to work.. or that is just IT, GAME OVER.

Llambda
Space Llama Industries
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:19:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: Vyktor Abyss
Just to announce I'll be standing for the next CSM.

Only policy in my manifesto is to scrap the CSM.

- Won't take any trip to Iceland and won't misrepresent players because a vote for me would be a vote for scrap the CSM, only that since we've not had that option before.



I was considering running under same premise, but I'll just vote for you instead.

Tutskii
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:19:00 - [171]
 

Originally by: Raid'En
Edited by: Raid''En on 01/07/2011 19:10:49
Originally by: Tutskii
How hard is to answer a "yes or no" question?

Are we gonna be told about japanese jeans again?

This is not Shakespeare you are writing and your evasion is not reassuring.

Also funny how "shortly" turned into "sometime not today"




from what i have read these last days the issue with CCP not answering by a simple "yes" or "no" was because there were an issue on what is considered "vanity items" and what is not.

if answer is big, i think it's because they will explains what they include inside the definition of "vanity items", and give examples (or maybe all) of what will be added with MTs, and what will not be.

it will also avoid them be called liars later if they add something that people find strange ; if they tell now what will be it will be easier.
and of course if they change their mind another time the rage of today would be nothing compared to what would happen.
and with complete information it will be easier for everyone to think about how they consider these acceptable or not.

that's the only explanation fitting the context i can see.




Actually, this would be incorrect. If we have to redefine what "vanity" means then we are already in meaningless lawyer garbage land.

Defining vanity took the internet less than 30 seconds:

Quote:
n. pl. van·i·ties
1. The quality or condition of being vain.
2. Excessive pride in one's appearance or accomplishments; conceit. See Synonyms at conceit.
3. Lack of usefulness, worth, or effect; worthlessness.
4.
a. Something that is vain, futile, or worthless.
b. Something about which one is vain or conceited.



Is there ambiguity in vain, futile, or worthless, or lack of usefulness?

I don't think so.

Any attempt to tamper with the definition would just be an attempt to stretch it to cover non vanity stuff. The question at the center of vanity is:

"Is it of any use?"

If it turns into:

"Does it hurt the sandbox?"

"Is it of use in combat?"

"It is of use in limiter circumstances"

Etc then in effect its being turned into a meaningless adjective which meaning will be modified to suit CCP's interest.

There is a reason the simple yellow question is simple, and CCP garbage statements are ambiguous junk like "Gold Ammo"

One is meant to obfuscate, the other, to make clear.

Atreus Venom
Gallente
New Eden Hitmen
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:20:00 - [172]
 

Edited by: Atreus Venom on 01/07/2011 19:22:54
Originally by: Ein Spiegel
Originally by: Atreus Venom
well whatever when they do post it I REALLY HOPE they have somebody waiting to answer our ****ing question... not be all like "ok time to feed the dogs" drop a story in front of us and go back to drinking... i just cant see how they put out these devblogs/reports and do not respond to feedback... it is insulting


Well, with the ones relating to this ****storm (the last two or three, I think), they had a communication black out because first... they were afraid that if they let all the devs talk, the message would be muddled, unclear, and enhance the ****storm. Then they had one person lined up to speak... and her daughter required emergency surgery. (I'm ****ed about things, too, but let's all take a moment to wish well to CCP Pann's daughter, who has no reason to feel any wrath from any idiot in a pod.) Then the CSM was coming, and it was time to wait until the CSM stuck their hand in the collective CCP rectum and help form the words.

To be honest, I'm surprised CCP BigDumbObject was even replying to HIS techie devblog that was released at an awkward time.


So given this and the lack of communication and all of us being Pi55ed why not just put out a msg saying
"Yes Non-Vanity Items are coming... SOON... and we will get more into detail about it when or after it gets here"

Ein Spiegel
Minmatar
Fly-by-Night Industries LLC PTY LTD
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:21:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: Arista Shahni
Originally by: Ein Spiegel


You accept worse crap from your bank, your job, your kids, your family, and your government. Why hold CCP to a higher standard than even the Pope?




My bank holds my money. My job holds my livelihood. My family holds my love. My government holds my freedoms.

...

A game holds my interests.

At this point, EVE has lost it. This makes this entire post not calling you a CCP dev alt a troll by default.

CCP may be the livelihood of 500+ odd folks, but. They can get a new job.

But never will the community here be the same.

And worse, they do not care.



And truthfully, do you care about the customer that walks into your place of employment, cusses you out because of something your third level removed boss says, and then stomps out the door? If they didn't care about the community, all of us would've been banned already because we've all said negative things.

Also, with the economies involved, I think CCP Shanghai might be able to get new jobs easily... Reykjavik and Atlanta are a lot harder these days. And are you saying that your bank is less important to you than CCP, that you would willingly take more **** from them? Priorities... Rolling Eyes I wasn't even this ****ed off when EBank ****ed me. Anywho, we'll find out the extent of their caring soon enough.

Koba Kyogen
The Concordiat
Concordiat Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:23:00 - [174]
 

Originally by: Atreus Venom
Big Print Edition


You see, Trebor, this is why we don't trust you and why so many people are referring to the CSM as a joke. You're either intentionally misrepresenting the entire situation or truly are clueless about how the community actually feels. So let's clarify it: We're not ****ed off because CCP failed to clearly communicate its plans for EVE to us. On the contrary, we have a very clear understanding of where CCP is headed and have already seen part of it with our own eyes with the release of Incarna.

Sorry, Trebor, but this is not just a big misunderstanding. Not by a long shot. A very significant portion of EVE players are fundamentally opposed to where CCP wants to take EVE, and we have no intention of being fleeced to pay for it. CCP's behavior has been appalling, if not entirely unexpected. But the response of the CSM has been slow, disorganized, and generally somewhat clueless. Many of us had hoped that would not be the case.

Unfortunately, the general consensus is that the CSM members have become willing participants in CCP's MT-fuelled dog and pony show. So no, we don't trust you. And no, your big 'joint statement' is not going to be taken at face value. It's going to be treated with the same skepticism with which many players have now learned to treat everything produced by CCP.

A little less frat boy partying and a little more attention to effective communication with the community might done wonders to change the perception of the CSM. The community's united response over the last week provided you and your fellow CSM members with a golden opportunity to finally push for a serious revision of CCP's long-term development roadmap. Instead, we've seen nothing but stalling and bragging about hangovers and partying with the devs.



come on everyone repost this



B*tch slap of truth.




Koba

Teako
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:24:00 - [175]
 

I find it funny that twitter is used and not the forums.

Arista Shahni
Amarr
Murasaki Mining and Manufacturing
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:25:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: Ein Spiegel
Originally by: Arista Shahni
Originally by: Ein Spiegel


You accept worse crap from your bank, your job, your kids, your family, and your government. Why hold CCP to a higher standard than even the Pope?




My bank holds my money. My job holds my livelihood. My family holds my love. My government holds my freedoms.

...

A game holds my interests.

At this point, EVE has lost it. This makes this entire post not calling you a CCP dev alt a troll by default.

CCP may be the livelihood of 500+ odd folks, but. They can get a new job.

But never will the community here be the same.

And worse, they do not care.



And truthfully, do you care about the customer that walks into your place of employment, cusses you out because of something your third level removed boss says, and then stomps out the door? If they didn't care about the community, all of us would've been banned already because we've all said negative things.

Also, with the economies involved, I think CCP Shanghai might be able to get new jobs easily... Reykjavik and Atlanta are a lot harder these days. And are you saying that your bank is less important to you than CCP, that you would willingly take more **** from them? Priorities... Rolling Eyes I wasn't even this ****ed off when EBank ****ed me. Anywho, we'll find out the extent of their caring soon enough.


I didn't cuss. And most people with two brain-cells firing in sequence are aware that Zulu's devblog looked like it was written at gunpoint.

I just don't want to stay to watch the aftermath now that the boss pulled the trigger on his dreams. I'm sorry.



AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:27:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: Atreus Venom

You see, Trebor, this is why we don't trust you and why so many people are referring to this CSM as a joke. You're either intentionally misrepresenting the entire situation or truly are clueless about how the community actually feels. So let's clarify it: We're not ****ed off because CCP failed to clearly communicate its plans for EVE to us. On the contrary, we have a very clear understanding of where CCP is headed and have already seen part of it with our own eyes with the release of Incarna.

Sorry, Trebor, but this is not just a big misunderstanding. Not by a long shot. A very significant portion of EVE players are fundamentally opposed to where CCP wants to take EVE, and we have no intention of being fleeced to pay for it. CCP's behavior has been appalling, if not entirely unexpected. But the response of the CSM has been slow, disorganized, and generally somewhat clueless. Many of us had hoped that would not be the case.

Unfortunately, the general consensus is that the CSM members have become willing participants in CCP's MT-fuelled dog and pony show. So no, we don't trust you. And no, your big 'joint statement' is not going to be taken at face value. It's going to be treated with the same skepticism with which many players have now learned to treat everything produced by CCP.

A little less frat boy partying and a little more attention to effective communication with the community might have done wonders to change the perception of the CSM. The community's united response over the last week provided you and your fellow CSM members with a golden opportunity to finally push for a serious revision of CCP's long-term development roadmap. Instead, we've seen nothing but stalling and bragging about hangovers and partying with the devs.

Ein Spiegel
Minmatar
Fly-by-Night Industries LLC PTY LTD
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:28:00 - [178]
 

Originally by: Atreus Venom
Edited by: Atreus Venom on 01/07/2011 19:22:23
Originally by: Ein Spiegel
Originally by: Atreus Venom
well whatever when they do post it I REALLY HOPE they have somebody waiting to answer our ****ing question... not be all like "ok time to feed the dogs" drop a story in front of us and go back to drinking... i just cant see how they put out these devblogs/reports and do not respond to feedback... it is insulting


Well, with the ones relating to this ****storm (the last two or three, I think), they had a communication black out because first... they were afraid that if they let all the devs talk, the message would be muddled, unclear, and enhance the ****storm. Then they had one person lined up to speak... and her daughter required emergency surgery. (I'm ****ed about things, too, but let's all take a moment to wish well to CCP Pann's daughter, who has no reason to feel any wrath from any idiot in a pod.) Then the CSM was coming, and it was time to wait until the CSM stuck their hand in the collective CCP rectum and help form the words.

To be honest, I'm surprised CCP BigDumbObject was even replying to HIS techie devblog that was released at an awkward time.


So given this and the lack of communication and all of us being Pi55ed why not just put out a msg saying
"Yes Non-Vanity Items are coming... SOON... and we will grt more into detail about it when or after it gets here"


Because if they say that, then it implies that you can get EVERYTHING... ships, ammo, standings, **** the economy, we're doomed, ALL players leave. If the answer is more nuanced (like, say, "We can promise no non-vanity items for the next 5 years, but at that time we will have to revisit the issue if economically necessary because things change in time" combined with "Also, increased fittings slots on the server would be a 'non-vanity' service and we feel may be a reasonable possibility, but we will never offer a ship that does not conform to the economic necessities present either by turn in or by BPC"... The thing is, you put out the first statement, and people will take either confirmation of the heresy and lies, or as positive "they're communicating with the player base" (they're not). The message they have to put out, on the subject of vanity vs. non-vanity for MT, is possibly a nuanced message just because they aren't going to do it but they have to explain how they are not doing it, why they even had it in Fearless, etc, etc. Because a flat "We are not ever doing it, ever" statement will be called a lie, since there's that Fearless issue for people to endlessly bring up.

TBFH, they should have had a very detailed plan in advance for dealing with this kind of ****storm, but they :ccp:

Wangston Hughes
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:28:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: Ein Spiegel
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Folks, I am writing from my iPad in a cafe so please excuse my brevity.

The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.

You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. I know you are all anxious to hear the results, but please cut the CSM (and CCP) a little slack here.

Thanks,
Trebor


The truth takes more time to tell than lies?

It does for my 12 y/o anyway.


The truth always takes more time to tell than lies. Lies go together well, because everything works when you make it all up.

The truth is messy, easily misunderstood, makes no sense, and in order to get it right, takes longer. Because if you don't include the entire truth, then you are in fact lying by omission, which means you're lying.

This, actually, is why a politician always lies. They never tell the entire truth, even if they know it, and even if they have a passing knowledge of what truth even is.

I mean, yeah, sure... you could get a devblog like this:

"To answer the question... NO!!! To answer the other question... YES!!! To answer the last question... MAYBE!!!"

But that tells you absolutely ****. They're taking the time to get ALL the answers, get them ALL right (because, y'know, it's not like they haven't already had their previous statements dismantled semantically and run through a ringer to determine what they REALLY mean), and to make it so you can't possibly misunderstand them. (Although, knowing how people read, I guarantee you that last one is a lost cause.)

Plus, it's after hours in Iceland. While we might "power through" to get the message out, they probably have some kind of labor laws that prevent Mittens from whipping Hilmar until he bleeds to get him to personally stand over the video and copy editors while screaming "NO BREAK! NO HOME! WORK LIKE SLAVES! THE PLAYERS MUST HAVE THIS YESTERDAY!" with Zinfandel occasionally piping in a "SILENCE!!! .... SPEAK!!!"

Besides, another day isn't going to kill you. You accept worse crap from your bank, your job, your kids, your family, and your government. Why hold CCP to a higher standard than even the Pope?

(And now, fifteen posts to declare me a CCP alt/fanboi. And who knows. Maybe I'm John Turbefield in disguise... or maybe not.)


Look at this good post.

Koba Kyogen
The Concordiat
Concordiat Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:29:00 - [180]
 

Originally by: Teako
I find it funny that twitter is used and not the forums.


Can't really respond to a twitter posting via twitter.

Prevents the expected butt **** these CSM would/and are getting on the normal forums.

They deserve it, hit 'em again!

CSM is primary.




Koba


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