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Bane Necran
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.01 15:17:00 - [1]
 

So my computer finally bit the dust, and i've been shopping around online for components for my next. Since i only really pay attention to hardware when i'm buying a new computer every 5-7 years i always have tons of catching up to do, so i thought i'd see what the resident techies of the EVE community can offer in the way of advice. You always seem to steer people straight in other threads.

So far this is what i've decided on:

Intel® Desktop Board DX58SO2

Intel® Core™ i7 Processor Extreme Edition

4x Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 120 GB ATA-100 Hard Drive

GTX 590

Any advice about RAM, powersupply, case, fans, or even what ethernet connection to buy would be greatly appreciated. I plan on running a RAID across the 4 HDs, if that matters at all.

I'll pay 50mil isk to whoever gives me the best build.

Alpheias
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.07.01 15:37:00 - [2]
 

It would be easier suggesting if you had a budget in mind.

I am a little puzzled as to why you'd want to keep those four 120GB drives?

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.07.01 15:38:00 - [3]
 

i'd stick w/ corsair for mem. obviously get the 1600mhz, (maybe higher if you want to overclock it and the board??, i'm not up to speed on the options for that intel mb)

not sure why you think you would need the extreme ver of the processor. if soley for the 6.4gt/s bus speed i'd almost guarantee you'll never use an application that would notice the difference between the next step down. save the money on parts you'll notice the difference on

like.... hard drives! get one or two ssds for your os drive + favorite games. also, never been a fan of seagate drives. i'd get a few good wd blacks, maybe velociraptors?. you might want to consider taking advantage of those sata 6g/s ports your board will have

don't go cheap on powersupply obviously. i have a 1kw thermaltake that i've been real happy with

ethernet support? use the on-board ports. it will do fine
if you buy into the 'gaming nic' you might as well light your money on fire. anyone that tells you otherwise is dumb.

Zagam
Posted - 2011.07.01 15:56:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Zagam on 01/07/2011 15:58:57
Couple of things:

Mobo - Intel's boards are good, but overpriced for what you get. I use ASUS and Gigabyte - both solid, and loaded with OC features. (I personally have an ASUS board)

CPU - don't bother with Extreme edition. Its not worth it. As other posters have mentioned, you won't notice the difference. (I use an AMD CPU, but due to cost vs. performance)

HDD - I use only Western Digital in my computers - they have never failed me. Go for as few platters as possible on the drives, it helps more than you think. (or just drop the cash and get Raptors, using the money you saved by not getting the Extreme Edition)

RAM - 4Gb minimum, 8Gb is better. Corsair and G.Skill are my preferred brands. (Mushkin is good, just don't have personal experience)

Case - Antec and Lian Li make the best cases, IMO. Not cheap, but well designed with good air flow. (I personally use an Antec 900 case)

Power Supply - I personally prefer Antec. Never had a problem with them, and both my wife and I have Earthwatts PSUs in them. Good stable supply, and wont destroy your electric bill each month.

Ethernet - I use on-board. Its not worth a slot.

Sound - I personally prefer a dedicated sound card, but I'm also an audiophile, and constantly listen to/create/mix music.


Bane Necran
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.01 16:17:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Bane Necran on 01/07/2011 16:17:36
Thanks for the quick replies.

So the Intel® Core™ i7-2600K instead of the extreme edition, then?

Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2011.07.01 16:30:00 - [6]
 

Have a look at cpu(and heatsink\fan)\motherboard\memory bundles from e-tailers to orientate yourself around the primary cpu&motherboard platforms out there.

Intel motherboards are not that good with overclocking and don't put as much effort into quality power circuitry as other established enthusiast motherboard manufacturers. I would go for an ASUS motherboard: Asus X58 Sabertooth TUF Intel X58 (Socket 1366) - £160

At present the CPU power curve is way ahead of what current games need. I have had a Intel i5 750 for 18 months now. I can overclock it up to 4ghz but 3.1ghz is more than sufficient. I have set it to 3.1ghz for now as I now do video conversions peak all four CPU cores at 100% for hours. My current Corsair H50 CPU self contained cooling system can only manage to cool my CPU at 82C at 4ghz. At 3.1ghz it is a more comfortable 66C.
So don't get an Extreme Edition CPU. A quad core i7-2600K at £255 will meet your needs for 2-3 years at least. Also note the 'K' designation on the CPU model. These 'K' CPU's allow full flexibility with overclocking.

And if your going i7 then the motherboard will have 2 x 3 memory slot banks. As you seem to have a high budget then get top of the line DDR3-PC3-1600C9 memory that runs up to 2000mhz. Corsair Vengeance 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 PC3-16000C10 2000MHz Triple Channel Kit (CMZ6GX3M3A2000C10) Corsair Vengeance 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 PC3-16000C10 2000MHz Triple Channel Kit (CMZ6GX3M3A2000C10) is £90.
And a regular mechanical hard disk for general non OS, favourite games, storage: Hitachi Deskstar 7K3000 2TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM £70

And again if you have a high budget get a top of the line SSD that uses the PCI Express bus rather than the SATA BUS: CZ Technology
OCZ 120GB RevoDrive SSD PCI Express x4 Read = 540MB/s, Write = 490MB/s - £245

For power supply: Corsair TX 850W V2 PSU - £96

Rather than getting a GTX 590 graphics card which is 2 x 560 or 570's on one circuit board get one GTX 570 for now. You can get another GTX 570 in the future which is the same as a 590.

Logitech G19 keyboard has a pretty color display with macro keys: £100

And you will need an optical drive: Bluray\DVD\CDROM drives are £70

A Case is down to personal preference. For £209 you can get the very pretty Thermaltake Level 10 GT Visionary Full Tower Case.

Blacksquirrel
Posted - 2011.07.01 16:43:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Blacksquirrel on 01/07/2011 16:43:44
Originally by: Bane Necran
So my computer finally bit the dust, and i've been shopping around online for components for my next. Since i only really pay attention to hardware when i'm buying a new computer every 5-7 years i always have tons of catching up to do, so i thought i'd see what the resident techies of the EVE community can offer in the way of advice. You always seem to steer people straight in other threads.

So far this is what i've decided on:

Intel® Desktop Board DX58SO2

Intel® Core™ i7 Processor Extreme Edition

4x Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 120 GB ATA-100 Hard Drive

GTX 590

Any advice about RAM, powersupply, case, fans, or even what ethernet connection to buy would be greatly appreciated. I plan on running a RAID across the 4 HDs, if that matters at all.

I'll pay 50mil isk to whoever gives me the best build.


Board is fine. Might find a cheaper one with same specs though.
CPU is fine, but a little pricey v. performance. I'd still stick with i series though

HDD if you have the money go 64-120 SSD for OS and a few apps then get larger HDD with more cache 64mb for main storage. Raid with 120gb... is uh not worth the price, and less perf v. an SSD.

only thing to worry about the gtx 590 is making sure you have enough cooling in your case/room for it. Also need larger case or else I find you'll have to saw things off in mid sized cases. (Cool master cases have excellent cable management.)

RAM...Eh 4-6gb (Triple channel it) is enough I dont see why people go 8gbs seeing as how they'll never use more than 50% at 4-6gb of DDR3. (Makes me wonder if people really know what ram does)

PSU this is another one of those things peope go overboard on for whatever reason. With one card, and that processor really you'll need 500-600w. Upgrade to 650-700w if you plan on SLI though. Get one with modular cabling. (Thank me later)

Fans: my cool master case came with plenty. Just upgrade the stock CPU fan http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118003&cm_re=cpu_fan-_-35-118-003-_-Product

When you see people with the craziest setups and addons they really only matter if you're going to OC the stuff, if not just make sure cabling is neat, and you have enough regular airflow in your case. Otherwise it's a waste of money.

Not really sure what you mean about the Ethernet....

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.01 17:03:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 01/07/2011 17:22:05
Originally by: Vogue
Rather than getting a GTX 590 graphics card which is 2 x 560 or 570's on one circuit board get one GTX 570 for now. You can get another GTX 570 in the future which is the same as a 590.

Not exactly.
A 590 is two 580 chips (512:64:48 unifiedshader:texturemap:renderout count) but UNDERCLOCKED for heat management/dissipation reasons mainly (from 772/1544/4008 down to 607/1215/3414 for core/shader/RAM MHz frequencies).
You could at least theoretically ramp a 590 up to near-dual-580-SLI levels, but unless you put up a monster cooling system, you risk frying them quite fast. So, don't even try (seriously).
A 570 is 480:60:40 with 732/1464/3800 speeds ; a 560Ti is 384:64:32 with 822/1645/4008 speeds ; a 560 is 336:56:32 with 810/1620/4004 speeds.


Originally by: Bane Necran
So the Intel® Core™ i7-2600K instead of the extreme edition, then?

I would say i5-2500 without a K.
And you save about 100$ that way for a negligible performance drop (from where I'm standing looking at it).
What exactly do you need heavy hyperthreading and fully unlocked overclocking possibilities for anyway ?

You won't really need to ever overclock it at all, let alone in the way a K version makes it possible (MAYBE if you go double 580 instead of the single 590, but even then it won't be such a big deal, and I doubt you want to go triple 580 any time soon).
If you don't overclock (and honestly, my opinion is that you shouldn't) then any extra cash on the K version is wasted.


P.S. You use dual-channel RAM for sandybridges, they do not support triple channel. Just in case you were wondering.

Zagam
Posted - 2011.07.01 18:56:00 - [9]
 

Oh, also...

www.newegg.com

I buy ALL of my computer parts from them, never had an issue.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:06:00 - [10]
 

I cannot recommend too highly that you get a SSD. I just got one and the difference is amazing. Windows boots in about the same time my motherboard takes to POST.

AlleyKat
Gallente
The Unwanted.
Posted - 2011.07.01 19:58:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Bane Necran
Edited by: Bane Necran on 01/07/2011 16:17:36
Thanks for the quick replies.

So the Intel® Core™ i7-2600K instead of the extreme edition, then?


Without wishing to annoy Akita, she is wrong in her opinion on this and what you have written above is correct.

In a few short months from now, Intel are unleashing EXTREEEEEEME versions of their current line-up. No idea exactly when and no idea exactly how úber these chips are gonna be.

In Q1/2 of 2012, an even newer line up of chips will come out on newer architecture again from Intel.

So, long and short is: the i2600k overclocked to mind-bending levels is the best quad-core you can buy AND when the extreme chips hit the market in a few months, they will use the same motherboard config.

The X58 is as dead as disco. Total dinosaur. belongs in a museum. next to references about cake and stuff being over 9000.

So get the K edition. It's what cool people have, like fast cars and expensive tastes in coffee and friends.

In terms of the 590GTX, afraid to say the reports are not good on this card in terms of heating, efficiency, stuttering blah blah blah. Google around for more details, but my limited understanding remembers one key bit of information about it being underpowered from a voltage perspective, so cannot be 'clocked. Kinda ruins the whole 'extreme' point about the card if you ask me.

Go for the 580 overclocked. The MSI edition has gotten good reviews and feedback...and you can SLI that puppy for future stuffs.

New cards coming the end of the year from nVidia as the 'fermi' chip has been on the market for a while now...it could be a rapidly depreciating purchase you end up getting no matter what...choice is yours.

AK

Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2011.07.01 20:44:00 - [12]
 

I would like to know if other geeks can cool an i5 or i7 with all four cores at 100% over many hours at say 65C peak. I have a Corsair H50 which is a sealed heatsink with liquid transfer pipes going to a 120mm with fans on both sides.

I don't need to run my i5 at 4ghz, with the exception of Supreme Commander Forged Alliance which scales poorly over 2 cores so you have to throw as much CPU power at it as you can. But when I do generally need my i5 at 4ghz I am going to use a CPU water cooling heat block I have with other bits and bobs. I will purchase a VW polo radiator and a quiet powerful fish tank pump to do my own watercooling system that can scale years ahead to whatever 8 core 5 ghz monster cpu's that will be sold in the future.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.01 20:50:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 01/07/2011 20:57:39
Originally by: AlleyKat
Without wishing to annoy Akita, she is wrong in her opinion on this and what you have written above is correct.
In a few short months from now, Intel are unleashing EXTREEEEEEME versions of their current line-up. No idea exactly when and no idea exactly how úber these chips are gonna be.
In Q1/2 of 2012, an even newer line up of chips will come out on newer architecture again from Intel.
So, long and short is: the i2600k overclocked to mind-bending levels is the best quad-core you can buy AND when the extreme chips hit the market in a few months, they will use the same motherboard config.

Going by your own admission, when those ubernew chips hit, you will still be able to use the exact same motherboard with LGA 1155 sockets, so it will be a simple matter of upgrading to whatever other chip will have the best price/performance ratio at that time.

So why get the top of the line uberoverclockable one for 315$ now, when you can get one with a base clock of 97% of the expensive one's base clock at only 210$ ?
ESPECIALLY since you won't be using even the cheaper 210$ one at full base clock power anyway.

Quote:
So get the K edition. It's what cool people have, like fast cars and expensive tastes in coffee and friends.

Or monocles ? Laughing

But hey, maybe you DO want overclocking sooooo much... why not get the i5-2500K instead for 220$ then ?
Is it really worth paying almost 50% extra for only around 3% increase in raw power ?

Blacksquirrel
Posted - 2011.07.01 21:45:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Vogue
I would like to know if other geeks can cool an i5 or i7 with all four cores at 100% over many hours at say 65C peak. I have a Corsair H50 which is a sealed heatsink with liquid transfer pipes going to a 120mm with fans on both sides.

I don't need to run my i5 at 4ghz, with the exception of Supreme Commander Forged Alliance which scales poorly over 2 cores so you have to throw as much CPU power at it as you can. But when I do generally need my i5 at 4ghz I am going to use a CPU water cooling heat block I have with other bits and bobs. I will purchase a VW polo radiator and a quiet powerful fish tank pump to do my own watercooling system that can scale years ahead to whatever 8 core 5 ghz monster cpu's that will be sold in the future.


With the use of liquid cooling and some awesome air conditioning or refrigeration im sure it's possible. I suppose it's a matter of how much you want to spend on your electricity bill.

AlleyKat
Gallente
The Unwanted.
Posted - 2011.07.01 21:55:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Going by your own admission, when those ubernew chips hit, you will still be able to use the exact same motherboard with LGA 1155 sockets, so it will be a simple matter of upgrading to whatever other chip will have the best price/performance ratio at that time.

So why get the top of the line uberoverclockable one for 315$ now, when you can get one with a base clock of 97% of the expensive one's base clock at only 210$ ?
ESPECIALLY since you won't be using even the cheaper 210$ one at full base clock power anyway.

Quote:
So get the K edition. It's what cool people have, like fast cars and expensive tastes in coffee and friends.

Or monocles ? Laughing

But hey, maybe you DO want overclocking sooooo much... why not get the i5-2500K instead for 220$ then ?
Is it really worth paying almost 50% extra for only around 3% increase in raw power ?


It has more power - the way the op wrote his post suggests the conservative answer is not going to hit the spot - he needed to hear the truth about which chip is the better chip.

My response was written as such.

When you are flying at those levels of performance, do you really think you are going to get the protractor out and start doing measurements? No! You are going to watch the world fly by a light speed and have a huge grin on your face at the same time.

As for the monocle comment...you have no concept of how offensive I find that statement, and since you do not, I will let it slide...for now.

AK

GolgothA Aldara
Motivated and Determined
Posted - 2011.07.01 22:06:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: GolgothA Aldara on 01/07/2011 22:16:44
My rig is:
Antec 100 case
Asus M4A88TD-V EVO USB3
ASUS GTX570
CD/DVD burner
4G BallistiX ram
AMD Phenom II 1100T 3.3Ghz processor
Cooler Master 550w SLI certified power supply
2x140mm fans and 4x120mm fans
2x1TB WD Green HDD (secondary raid 1 for backups)
1xSeagate Barracuda ST3500413AS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s
Zalman CPU cooler w/120mm fan
27.5" I-Inc 1080p monitor

WEI: 7.6, 7.6, 7.9, 7.9, 6.0
on Windows 7 Professional

60-80fps average in game :)

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus
Posted - 2011.07.01 23:14:00 - [17]
 

Ivy Bridge coming in Q1 2012!

Lithalnas
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.02 01:20:00 - [18]
 

The Gold brick
Asus Maximus IV P67
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131700

Intel I7-2600k
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115070

1-2 Asus 580 GTX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121429

Corsair Vengence 2x4gb 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233144

OCZ Vertex 3 120 gb ssd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227706

Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284

Win7 Pro
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116992

Coolermaster HAF (full tower FTW)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119225

Noctua D14 best air cooler in town and beats all single radiator self contained water coolers
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608018

Corsair 850 Wt power supply, go to 750 if useing only 1 580
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139011

There are alternatives and I will get to them next

The midrange build

Noctua D14
i5-2500k
Asus Sabertooth Z67
OCZ vertex 3 60gb
Asus GTX 560 Ti
Corsiar vengence 2x4gb 1600
Win 7 pro
Corsair 600D case
Corsair 600W power supply
Western Digital Caviar Black 1tb

The high low budget build
CORSAIR CAFA50 120mm CPU Cooler
i5-2500k
Asus P8P67 LE
<no ssd>
MSI 460 gtx 1gb
Corsiar vengence 2x4gb 1600
Win 7 pro
Thermaltake V3 Black Edition
Corsair 500W power supply
Western Digital Caviar Black 1tb

The po mans build
MSI 880GM-E43 AM3
AMD Phenom II X4 925 Deneb
EVGA gtx 460 768mb
Ripjaw series 2x2gb 1366
Corsair 400W power supply
Spinpoint F3 1tb
win7 home
sheet of plexyglass with holes to mount the board standoffs

Lithalnas
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.02 02:42:00 - [19]
 

/me takes a breath

As for some general theory on PC building, lets start with some of the general options

Intel
P55- a socket design which has aged somewhat well, this series reigned supreme as the lower end for those not willing to drop big bucks on the x58 chipset. Socket is a 1156, which is not compadable with the 1155. The boards and chips are starting to become scarce as the codename sandybridge processors begin to dominate. But deals may still be around if you look for them as they are 'last years tech'

x58- also known as the gulftown or the 1366 socket. This is an adapted server socket whose chips are really expensive. The reason is that these chips are absolutely massive. They are also unique in that they are the last of the clock speed based chips. The new sandybridge chips are almost exclusively multiplier based and therefore dont get up to that official 4ghz, they run at 100mhz and do a 50x multiplier. This chipset is also endowed with tri-channel ram, but no one ever saw a huge performance jump to to the increased ram options. The x58 does however still poses the
best chip in existence the 990X which outperforms even an overclocked 2600k. However its not by much and the chip cost almost $1000.

P67, Z68 and H67 - The newest chip to the intel lineup, they are really good chips, I had the pleasure of overclocking one of these last week and you can reach 5ghz on air no problem. It is really easy to overclock with the right equipment. They all fit the LGA 1155 socket not to be confused with the 1156 socket. The P67 is a relatively generic performance chipset, it has reduced on chip graphical function which allow for the CPU to perform its duties as a numerical calculator more effectively. Usually P67 are used with discreet graphics, which in layman terms is use a video card. The H67 is a chipset more geared to using the cheaper sandybridge chips, ie the 2300 and 2100. They intent is to use the H67 chipset to utilize the graphical abilities in the sandybridge chip. You loose computing power but gain free graphics. The Z68 chipset is new from intel and is a P67 with one addition feature. It has SSD cacheing which allows it to use up to 64 gb of ssd space as a cache for the mechanical hard drive. After a few hours of use the end result is a system which acts like it has a 1tb ssd drive without spending a grand on the drive alone.

x79 or ivybridge - Intels upcoming chipset. It looks like a bit of a throwback to the x58 chipset, giant slabs of CPU supported by a huge Pipeline. I honestly expect these boards to be 500 each due to its LGA 2011 socket. No numbers are released as of yet but there is going to be a, shal we say, slaughtering of benchmarks when it does come out. People seem to think its a bigger badder sandybridge with the graphical core taken out for more CPU cores.

AMD
AM3 - The current generation of AMD chips is not ageing well, AMD are having issues with performance against the sandy bridge parts and its showing in markets-share. Good news is that the AM3 line up is slated to die soon. It was good while it lasted

LLano or A75 - AMDs interim answer to sandy bridge. Its a GPU with a CPU inside. It performs OK for its price point. Sense it was only release 2 days ago lets see how it goes, but this is a cheap PC part and does not really interest me that much.

AM3+ or Bulldozer - AMDs answer to sandybridge. Not much is known yet but the AM3+ mobos are available for sale and are compatible with the older lineup of AM3 processors. We shall see how they perform but I am betting that they are going to be within a few points of Sandybridge on their release.

Bane Necran
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.15 23:58:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Bane Necran on 16/07/2011 00:48:13
Thought i'd post an update for all you helpful folks.

Here are the specs i've decided on after advice from some of you, and a little studying of my own. I've decided that no single person can get 50mil, because so many helped me. People who gave helpful advice will either get 10 or 20 mil, when i finally get this beast up and running.

Specs:

Case - Antec P193 V3 (Coolermaster has too many damned LED lights on everything. It's like a computer out of the original Star Trek. But that's just me)

Power - CORSAIR Professional Series HX850

CPU- Intel Core i7-2600

Motherboard - ASUS P8Z68-V PRO

RAM - CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 (Black)

Graphics Card - GTX 580 (1, for now)

Hard Drive - 2x Western Digital Caviar Black WD2002FAEX 2tb 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s (plan on running a RAID0 across these)


If anyone has any comments or suggestions on that setup they're invited to share them, and maybe garner another 10 or 20 mil.

The main problem for me now is that all the backwater computer shops where i live claim their suppliers can't find all the parts, which is bull****. I told them about Newegg, in case they were ******ed, but they knew it existed, so i don't know what's going on. Perhaps they fear such a machine. Twisted Evil The reason i'm not putting it together myself is i have a nasty habit of zapping things, and only feel safe digging around in the guts of older or cheaper systems. Although with each day i get closer to assembling it myself. I haven't been this long without a computer in many years, and even though i'm reading more books i'm extremely bored.

Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.07.16 01:08:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Reiisha on 16/07/2011 01:22:43
Edited by: Reiisha on 16/07/2011 01:14:54
Edited by: Reiisha on 16/07/2011 01:11:18
Originally by: AlleyKat
In a few short months from now, Intel are unleashing EXTREEEEEEME versions of their current line-up. No idea exactly when and no idea exactly how úber these chips are gonna be.


Extreme editions are never worth their money for the 'average' high end gamer. Only the most extreme overclockers would consider getting one of those. The pricehike over a 2500k or 2600k is just not worth it.

A K version is worth it imho (going against Akita here) - The price difference is negligible (10 euros here) and the benefit is pretty nice once you dare to overclock it. My 2500k is running at a chilly 4,5 ghz on air cooling (thermalright mux-120 though) and it's 100% stable. I'd stick with the 2500k (for the OP) since heavily multithreaded applications are probably not on the menu enytime soon, and the 2500k and 2600k are pretty much equal when it comes to gaming at similar clocks.

A GTX590 is NOT worth it. A GTX580 isn't even worth it imho. Since the CPU will last you a little while i'd go for a GTX 570, which can run any game on one screen with all bells and whistles maxed easily, and will do for a little while longer. A 580 will last you even longer, though not that much longer to make the extra $200 worth it. A 590 is complete overkill, now and in the future, and has it's own host of problems.

Beware of people trying to talk you into SLI. It's fun, if you get it to work, and you have to be willing to do a LOT of troubleshooting since it still doesn't play nice with everything out there. SLI is for the hobbyist, the people who like to open their case every few days and make a few tweaks.

Also, ditch the 120gb disks, copy their content onto an external disk and get a new SSD (for the OS) and properly large disk for storage. An SSD for Windows is rather expensive but totally worth it - You've never seen such a responsive OS :P
Get an Intel 320 to be sure - Crucial is a very good brand but a little unknown at the moment, the Intels are a bit slower but have legendary reliability. Besides, you won't notice the difference between different SSD's anyway, but you WILL notice the difference between an SSD and HDD.

Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced Case
XFX 650w XXX Edition PSU
Asus P8P67 Pro Mobo
Intel i5 2500k CPU
Corsair Vengeance 8GB CL8 RAM (no need to go for a lower CL, only the diehard overclockers will ever notice it)
Point-of-View GTX570 (underrated company, get it if you can)
Intel 320 120GB SSD
WD Caviar Black 1TB HD

Best bang for your buck imho, though you could argue to go for a Phenom 1090T instead.

Edit: Added case and PSU.

Edit2: Don't mind people telling you you "need" an 800w+ PSU. A properly good 600w PSU will do everything you need it to do except SLI (which you really don't need, trust me). My current setup is somewhat similar to what i posted and runs on a Seasonic X-560 (ie: 560 watt) with no problems whatsoever (pulls around 400w peak), with some extra gear attached (loads of hdd's) and overclocked parts (CPU/GPU).

Higher watt PSU's may sound nice but they're really not - You'll just end up pulling 50-100w more than you need to from the wallsocket and at the end of the year you'll notice that you've missed out on a lot of booze-money. Long boring story about hoiw PSU efficiency works, but in short, get the one i just mentioned and you'll be fine.

edit3: Don't get an SSD that's not from Intel or Crucial right now (certainly no OCZ or Corsair). Sandforce disk controllers are currently not very reliable (almost 20% failure rate apparently, vs' Intel's 0.35%). Also, for home users, ignore sequential read/write speeds if they're 150mb/s+. Random read/write (4k qd3 or less) is what's important! You use small file random i/o all the time, sequential speeds only come into view when you're copying large continuous (unfragmented) files from one disk to another.

Lithalnas
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.16 01:12:00 - [22]
 



Case - Antec P193 V3 (Coolermaster has too many damned LED lights on everything. It's like a computer out of the original Star Trek. But that's just me)

Cool

Power - CORSAIR Professional Series HX850

Cool

CPU- Intel Core i7-2600

Cool get the K model, it allows overclocking for a whole $10

Motherboard - ASUS P8Z68-V PRO

Cool

RAM - CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 (Black)

Cool

Graphics Card - GTX 580 (1, for now)

Cool i would go with an Asus 3 wide card, their cooler is more suited for a CPU than a GPU

Hard Drive - 2x Western Digital Caviar Black WD2002FAEX 2tb 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s (plan on running a RAID0 across these)

Cool

As for retailers, if you dont like newegg, like I do, Amazon is an alternative. They source inhouse or through TigerDirect, which is an OK outfit. (I dislike newegg because of CA sales tax)

Because you are getting a Z board, you can go with say a 60 gb vertex 3 and enable SSD cacheing.

CCP Stillman

Posted - 2011.07.16 16:04:00 - [23]
 

The rig I'm currently using is over a year old, and I love it:
- i7 860
- 8GB DDR3
- 120gb Corsair Force(Got another sitting on my desk waiting to be put in. I love these things so much Cool) SSD
- 2x AMD 5750

In my experience, the biggest boost in performance for general usage is the SSD. For gaming, I'm fairly content. I got 2x 5750 to use 4 monitors. But for hardcore gaming, I'm considering NVIDIA next time around as the games I play tend to run better on NVIDIA.

But definitely consider a SSD if you will be using your computer for general work. They're still a bit expensive, but the reliability of them has greatly increased, and everybody I know who's gotten one loves it. Best upgrade I've done for ages. Smile

Bane Necran
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.18 00:53:00 - [24]
 

Posting from my new system. Very Happy ISK has been sent to all those whose advice i took.

Never really addressed it before, so on the topic of SSD's, i didn't have much space on my last system and wanted to get lots this time. Things are loading pretty damn fast here anyway with just the 6GB SATA and i haven't even set up the RAID yet. Still, like someone else mentioned before, they might be a good idea for a boot and gaming drive. To be honest, i'm maybe just too attached to HDDs, and SSDs still seem strange and unnatural to me. When i get over it i'll throw one or two in. There's certainly no lack of space. The P193 case is massive. I thought my last one was large.

KHAN SUNE
Posted - 2011.08.18 18:25:00 - [25]
 

Mine,

Coolermaster HAF X Case
Corsair HX 850W ATX2.2 Modular
Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Champion Series
OCZ Agility 3 SATA III 2.5inch 120GB Solid State Hard Drive
Samsung S222AL 22x DVD+--RW Lightscribe SATA Black
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 64MB Cache Hard Disk Drive SATA (storage)
Asus GeForce GTX 580 MATRIX 1536MB GDDR5 PCIe
Intel Core i7 2600K Processor
8GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 Dual Channel Memory Kit
Asus P8P67 Pro Intel P67 (Socket 1155) Motherboard

Not cheap but it runs eve like a dream...

o/


 

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