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Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.01 13:21:00 - [1]
 

Dear CCP,

Your Fearless newsletter states you plan to fund DUST 514 and WoD largely with revenue from EVE Online subscribers/sales. In case you forgot:

"However, as a subscription based golden goose, EVE needs to incorporate the virtual goods sales model to allow for further revenue – revenue to fund our other titles, revenue for its developer: you."

There is currently much ado about selling non-vanity, P2W items. That will not be the topic of this post, though. Instead, I want to the address the fact that money from EVE subscribers/sales is apparently being siphoned off to fund your 'other titles.' This is your right as a company. Nonetheless I wish to express my concern about this.

For the last year or so I've noticed an increase in people's unhappiness with CCP not fixing (sometimes very long) outstanding issues. Yes, your Marketing Department has you push out new and exciting stuff with each Expansion, to attract new capsuleers, but you don't appear to be following up on the newly introduced goodies. Stuff is left broken, ignored, or simply sidetracked altogether. I was heretofore a bit baffled as to why. But the 'why' is becoming more apparent now, as you're pulling money off EVE, to fund your other titles. And as a mere player of EVE, I can't say I'm happy with this direction. Ideally I'd love to see all monies coming in from EVE subscribers/sales to actually go to the further development of EVE -- or to the further fixing of EVE, as the case often is.

Yes, Incarna looks stunning. But it's obviously not finished -- not even in its current incarnation: only 1/4th of all racial Captain's Quarters have been implemented yet. This is not a drama, per se, as we can obviously wait for the others. The concern, however, is, that you pushed the outroll of Incarna ahead of schedule, simply because you wanted an immediate display-case for your vanity items in the NeX store; and that we will not see other parts of Incarna, like, oh, say, the actual walking in stations (not just in quarters) ever get done, because your Marketing Department will have you working on the next publicity gimmick again.

I'm not judging you. I'm not even angry. I am concerned, though. To me, the current state of EVE likens that of Schrödinger's cat: both alive and dead, depending on what I will see CCP do next. If you keep withdrawing funds, originally meant for EVE itself, to apply elsewhere, then I fear EVE is effectively already dead. If you will start applying developer time back to EVE again, then EVE can well said to be still alive. Unlike the outside observer of Schrödinger's cat, however, you don't have to open the box to find out which state EVE is in. You have the so-called 'god-eye' perspective, as EVE is, after all, your own sandbox. For you it's just a matter of deciding whether EVE will live or die.

I hope you choose wisely.

ScreenWipe
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.07.01 13:24:00 - [2]
 


Im Super Gay
Posted - 2011.07.01 13:25:00 - [3]
 

tl;dr

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.07.01 13:29:00 - [4]
 

My cat > Schrödinger's cat.

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.07.01 13:40:00 - [5]
 

Schrodingers cat is a fallacy nub.

Kez Aumer
Posted - 2011.07.01 13:41:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Misanth
My cat > Schrödinger's cat.


Good news! As far as we know, your cat is still alive. Bad news, we can't figure out how to check safely.

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2011.07.01 13:42:00 - [7]
 

I have reported this thread as it is obvious my cat > all yours, do not be foolish enough to think otherwise or face the wrath of Princess Celsius I

Dirk Smacker
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
Posted - 2011.07.01 13:45:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
Schrodingers cat is a fallacy nub.

Yup, extremely self-centered to believe you personally have to know something for it to exist. I didn't check the Red Sox score yesterday until two hours after it ended. The box score I read didn't take into account those two extra hours.

ScreenWipe
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.07.01 13:47:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
the current state of EVE likens that of Schrödinger's cat: both alive and dead, depending on what I will see CCP do next.


Losing 6k players is nothing, dont let the door hit you on the way out.

For us that are staying (supporting CCP), it will mean less lag, less blob fests, less margin trading, etc, etc... There are so many pluses.

see yah ☺/

Sable Schroedinger
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.07.01 13:48:00 - [10]
 

Eh?

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.07.01 13:49:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Kez Aumer
Originally by: Misanth
My cat > Schrödinger's cat.


Good news! As far as we know, your cat is still alive. Bad news, we can't figure out how to check safely.


I'll just pull her tail and see if she meows. That could be endangering my life tho.. hmm.

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2011.07.01 13:51:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Sable Schroedinger
Eh?


He is bad mouthing your cat, you should go pod him

Kitsune Sakai
Posted - 2011.07.01 13:51:00 - [13]
 

the cat might be alive or dead - but the pooch is definitely screwed

Kez Aumer
Posted - 2011.07.01 13:54:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Misanth
I'll just pull her tail and see if she meows. That could be endangering my life tho.. hmm.


You fool, that will cause the probability waveform to collapse!

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.07.01 13:54:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Sable Schroedinger
Eh?


FFS you can't even spell your own last name. Pathetic.

Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.07.01 14:17:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Skex Relbore on 01/07/2011 14:21:11
Originally by: Dirk Smacker
Originally by: Ghoest
Schrodingers cat is a fallacy nub.

Yup, extremely self-centered to believe you personally have to know something for it to exist. I didn't check the Red Sox score yesterday until two hours after it ended. The box score I read didn't take into account those two extra hours.

Deleted a bunch of stuff I wrote because further research had me re-evaluate my position.

While you might think it's arrogance to think observation affects existence actual science disagrees with you.

Quantum Mechanics is weird.



Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.01 14:37:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Mars Theran on 01/07/2011 14:37:03
Originally by: Skex Relbore
Edited by: Skex Relbore on 01/07/2011 14:21:11
Originally by: Dirk Smacker
Originally by: Ghoest
Schrodingers cat is a fallacy nub.

Yup, extremely self-centered to believe you personally have to know something for it to exist. I didn't check the Red Sox score yesterday until two hours after it ended. The box score I read didn't take into account those two extra hours.

Deleted a bunch of stuff I wrote because further research had me re-evaluate my position.

While you might think it's arrogance to think observation affects existence actual science disagrees with you.

Quantum Mechanics is weird.






Sorry mate, but what they did there was put an electronic device inside another device, and increase power to it for observation, and decrease it for non-observation. Whether the device could see electrons or not, it was releasing electrons and had an electric field. That doesn't prove or accomplish anything, except to identify the scientist conducting the experiment as slightly off his rocker.

Same thing as walking past an FM radio really. The electro-magnetic fields produced by your body influence the FM waves, making it easier or harder for the radio to pick them up, depending on where and how your are positioned in relation to their source and the radio. More or less the same thing.

RAW23
Posted - 2011.07.01 14:42:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
Schrodingers cat is a fallacy nub.


[citation needed]

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.07.01 14:44:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Mars Theran
Edited by: Mars Theran on 01/07/2011 14:37:03
Originally by: Skex Relbore
Edited by: Skex Relbore on 01/07/2011 14:21:11
Originally by: Dirk Smacker
Originally by: Ghoest
Schrodingers cat is a fallacy nub.

Yup, extremely self-centered to believe you personally have to know something for it to exist. I didn't check the Red Sox score yesterday until two hours after it ended. The box score I read didn't take into account those two extra hours.

Deleted a bunch of stuff I wrote because further research had me re-evaluate my position.

While you might think it's arrogance to think observation affects existence actual science disagrees with you.

Quantum Mechanics is weird.






Sorry mate, but what they did there was put an electronic device inside another device, and increase power to it for observation, and decrease it for non-observation. Whether the device could see electrons or not, it was releasing electrons and had an electric field. That doesn't prove or accomplish anything, except to identify the scientist conducting the experiment as slightly off his rocker.

Same thing as walking past an FM radio really. The electro-magnetic fields produced by your body influence the FM waves, making it easier or harder for the radio to pick them up, depending on where and how your are positioned in relation to their source and the radio. More or less the same thing.


Before I jump in here, are you questioning the validity or experimental evidence of quantum mechanics? If so, are you a physicist? I am, and if you'd like to chat I'd be happy to help.

AG

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.07.01 14:45:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Kez Aumer
Originally by: Misanth
I'll just pull her tail and see if she meows. That could be endangering my life tho.. hmm.


You fool, that will cause the probability waveform to collapse!


Ohsnap. Ehrm, pie?

daddys helper
Posted - 2011.07.01 14:47:00 - [21]
 

so Schrodinger's cat applies how?

are you trying to say that an unmade CSM/CCP statement is in a state of quantum flux?

yeah, most unmade statements are unclear until someone actually makes them.
Are you spending taxpayer money on this groundbreaking research into silence?

Kez Aumer
Posted - 2011.07.01 14:54:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Kez Aumer on 01/07/2011 14:59:19
Edited by: Kez Aumer on 01/07/2011 14:56:56
Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
If so, are you a physicist? I am

I think I can safely say that we're not. I would like an opinion on the study Skex linked, though.

Does placing a powered electronic device and a barrier with slits near an electron stream and going 'hey, now they move differently' really constitute evidence that observation of sub-micron particles forces them to move as particles rather than waves (as the study claims), or does it simply prove that our method of measuring small things really sucks?

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.01 14:54:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: daddys helper
so Schrodinger's cat applies how?

are you trying to say that an unmade CSM/CCP statement is in a state of quantum flux?

yeah, most unmade statements are unclear until someone actually makes them.

Lighten up, dude; it's a metaphor. Like me saying this thread is beginning to look more and more like an inverse Schrodinger's cat, as it's neither alive nor dead: just a lot of people aimlessly trolling it.

Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.01 15:09:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: "Apollo Gabriel"
Originally by: "Mars Theran"
Sorry mate, but what they did there was put an electronic device inside another device, and increase power to it for observation, and decrease it for non-observation. Whether the device could see electrons or not, it was releasing electrons and had an electric field. That doesn't prove or accomplish anything, except to identify the scientist conducting the experiment as slightly off his rocker.

Same thing as walking past an FM radio really. The electro-magnetic fields produced by your body influence the FM waves, making it easier or harder for the radio to pick them up, depending on where and how your are positioned in relation to their source and the radio. More or less the same thing.


Before I jump in here, are you questioning the validity or experimental evidence of quantum mechanics? If so, are you a physicist? I am, and if you'd like to chat I'd be happy to help.

AG



I'm debunking the validity of the evidence in this case. If you read the article, it's in relation to a specific experiment. In this case, one where the scientist put an electronic device, (the observer), inside another device to observe the passage of electrons within that device. He then postulated, based on the results of experiments done with that observer in place, that the interference preventing electron passage was reduced by the presence of the device, and more so as he increased power to it.

So, as a result of that information, it may seem that perhaps he is correct; certainly the evidence supports it, however there is additional information that may be relevant.

1) Any electronic device releases electrons to some extent, and as you increase power to that device it releases more electrons.

2) Any Electronic device has an electro-magnetic field relative to the amount of electricity being passed through it.

Now, when we take that into consideration, we see that as he increases power to the device, both its magnetic field and the number of electrons it releases increase proportional to that input of power. Both can affect the experiment; either by altering the waveform of the electrons in question through the increase of the observers magnetic field, or by increasing the number of electrons involved in the experiment, through the release of electrons from the observer.

No, I'm not a physicist.

xNEWxTROLLxHEREx
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.07.01 15:12:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: ScreenWipe
Originally by: Ranka Mei
the current state of EVE likens that of Schrödinger's cat: both alive and dead, depending on what I will see CCP do next.


Losing 6k players is nothing, dont let the door hit you on the way out.

For us that are staying (supporting CCP), it will mean less lag, less blob fests, less margin trading, etc, etc... There are so many pluses.

see yah ☺/


and less content... oh, wai Shocked

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.01 15:18:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: ScreenWipe

Losing 6k players is nothing, dont let the door hit you on the way out.

Actually, that's $90,000 a month; or roughly 37 monocles a day. With Hilmar being proud of already having sold 52 monocles, I'd say it's something.

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.07.01 15:29:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: daddys helper
so Schrodinger's cat applies how?

are you trying to say that an unmade CSM/CCP statement is in a state of quantum flux?

yeah, most unmade statements are unclear until someone actually makes them.
Are you spending taxpayer money on this groundbreaking research into silence?


The analogy to SC here is imo crap, like 99.9999% of macroscopic analogies to Quantum Mechanics

Cataca
Posted - 2011.07.01 15:32:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: ScreenWipe

Losing 6k players is nothing, dont let the door hit you on the way out.

Actually, that's $90,000 a month; or roughly 37 monocles a day. With Hilmar being proud of already having sold 52 monocles, I'd say it's something.


According to the financial report, thats about 20% of the current profits too.

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.07.01 15:33:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Mars Theran
Originally by: "Apollo Gabriel"
Originally by: "Mars Theran"
Sorry mate, but what they did there was put an electronic device inside another device, and increase power to it for observation, and decrease it for non-observation. Whether the device could see electrons or not, it was releasing electrons and had an electric field. That doesn't prove or accomplish anything, except to identify the scientist conducting the experiment as slightly off his rocker.

Same thing as walking past an FM radio really. The electro-magnetic fields produced by your body influence the FM waves, making it easier or harder for the radio to pick them up, depending on where and how your are positioned in relation to their source and the radio. More or less the same thing.


Before I jump in here, are you questioning the validity or experimental evidence of quantum mechanics? If so, are you a physicist? I am, and if you'd like to chat I'd be happy to help.

AG



I'm debunking the validity of the evidence in this case. If you read the article, it's in relation to a specific experiment. In this case, one where the scientist put an electronic device, (the observer), inside another device to observe the passage of electrons within that device. He then postulated, based on the results of experiments done with that observer in place, that the interference preventing electron passage was reduced by the presence of the device, and more so as he increased power to it.

So, as a result of that information, it may seem that perhaps he is correct; certainly the evidence supports it, however there is additional information that may be relevant.

1) Any electronic device releases electrons to some extent, and as you increase power to that device it releases more electrons.

2) Any Electronic device has an electro-magnetic field relative to the amount of electricity being passed through it.

Now, when we take that into consideration, we see that as he increases power to the device, both its magnetic field and the number of electrons it releases increase proportional to that input of power. Both can affect the experiment; either by altering the waveform of the electrons in question through the increase of the observers magnetic field, or by increasing the number of electrons involved in the experiment, through the release of electrons from the observer.

No, I'm not a physicist.


I will take a look at the article, your argument is clear to me. I will offer this off the cuff, there are single/double slit experiments using electrons like the Young's double slit experiment, in which you see that electrons behave as waves, in a quantum mechanical fashion. If you want to debate the "specialness" of human observers, I'll agree it's pure ****, humans are not some special observer, all interacts serve as the "observer", we're just stupid enough to think we matter.

Best
AG

Ricara Reesh
Posted - 2011.07.01 15:41:00 - [30]
 

I had a friend in college that put it best. "Quantum mechanics is a blank check to talk about whatever you want."

How quickly this thread has derailed from the OP's point also goes to show how QM detracts people from any subject that made mention of it.

Also, physicists support and endorse Apollo's service/product.


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