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Zleon Leigh
Posted - 2011.07.01 02:18:00 - [121]
 

Originally by: Merouk Baas
I heard they were rioting in Jita and shooting statues, and I thought... "Jita?!?! Why the **** Jita? They should go **** up the newbie systems, that'll hurt CCP more than a bunch of idiots taking down the Jita node, cause that, like, happens every day, no big deal."


yes, more effective, but CCP has a rule against ganking newbs in their training systems - when gives them cause for banning you.

'Course they also say they are fair game anywhere else, and there's always MTgeddon.

Glenntrius Becko
Posted - 2011.07.01 02:41:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: MORK MAN*****
LOLOLOL DUDE U SO BAD IM SO LEET LOOK AT MY CEWL WOW ARENA CHARACTER I PWN N00BS ALL NIGHT LONG U STUPID.


This man is original.

This man shows us a fresh take on trolling.

He's also a spergy, morbidly obese, under socialized fifteen year-old high school kid.

I look forward to your reply.

MORK MANWHORE
Posted - 2011.07.01 02:48:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Glenntrius Becko
Originally by: MORK MAN*****
LOLOLOL DUDE U SO BAD IM SO LEET LOOK AT MY CEWL WOW ARENA CHARACTER I PWN N00BS ALL NIGHT LONG U STUPID.


This man is original.

This man shows us a fresh take on trolling.

He's also a spergy, morbidly obese, under socialized fifteen year-old high school kid.

I look forward to your reply.


I honestly dont remember saying that or playing WoW,
Hmmmm
I guess I did say that and played WoW at some point.
I think I must be suffering from space madness.Laughing

Koba Kyogen
The Concordiat
Concordiat Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.01 02:58:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: MORK MAN*****
Honestly showed how sad this community really is.
I just got this game too and wanted to quit when I saw how pathetic alot of the community was and is.
The games moving forward trying to attract new players.
I cant wait for Dust.
Deal with it or you could have some more virtual space riots if that helps you deal with the nerd rage lol.


Someone give this courageous forum alt a kleenex, plz.

Clown shoe.






Koba

MORK MANWHORE
Posted - 2011.07.01 03:01:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: Koba Kyogen
Originally by: MORK MAN*****
Honestly showed how sad this community really is.
I just got this game too and wanted to quit when I saw how pathetic alot of the community was and is.
The games moving forward trying to attract new players.
I cant wait for Dust.
Deal with it or you could have some more virtual space riots if that helps you deal with the nerd rage lol.


Someone give this courageous forum alt a kleenex, plz.

Clown shoe.






Koba



Shouldnt you be attending a space riot?

Nullity
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.01 03:03:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: MORK MAN*****
Originally by: Koba Kyogen
Originally by: MORK MAN*****
Honestly showed how sad this community really is.
I just got this game too and wanted to quit when I saw how pathetic alot of the community was and is.
The games moving forward trying to attract new players.
I cant wait for Dust.
Deal with it or you could have some more virtual space riots if that helps you deal with the nerd rage lol.


Someone give this courageous forum alt a kleenex, plz.

Clown shoe.






Koba



Shouldnt you be attending a space riot?


Mork, care to give a reasoned reply to what I wrote?

Glenntrius Becko
Posted - 2011.07.01 03:03:00 - [127]
 

I'll go find a tree for this guy if somebody buys the rope. Very Happy

MORK MANWHORE
Posted - 2011.07.01 03:13:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Nullity
Originally by: MORK MAN*****
Originally by: Koba Kyogen
Originally by: MORK MAN*****
Honestly showed how sad this community really is.
I just got this game too and wanted to quit when I saw how pathetic alot of the community was and is.
The games moving forward trying to attract new players.
I cant wait for Dust.
Deal with it or you could have some more virtual space riots if that helps you deal with the nerd rage lol.


Someone give this courageous forum alt a kleenex, plz.

Clown shoe.






Koba



Shouldnt you be attending a space riot?


Mork, care to give a reasoned reply to what I wrote?


Yes as soon as I find it.

MORK MANWHORE
Posted - 2011.07.01 03:20:00 - [129]
 

Originally by: Nullity
I know this will in all likelihood fall upon deaf ears, but I'll try anyway. Mark, the most valuable resource currently in EVE is time played. Everything in the game is spawned into it as a result of a trade between someone trading their time played for that thing to be spawned. Microtransactions get around this fundamental concept of EVE by effectively making time played infinite, and replacing that part of the trade to spawn things with real life money. Real life money, obviously, is something that is not controlled by forced within the game.

What this essentially means to average players is that the sandbox economy that EVE is most known for will be bypassed by things out of its control, since money will be used to spawn things. In a game like EVE, where the immersive, sandbox gameplay is the main draw, that will be a death blow the foundations upon which EVE was built.


I agree with that and its sound logic.
But.
Regarding this as a business its the only way to go IMO.
Vets are mad because all that time amounts to nothing as far as their concerned which isnt true considering how many new players arent going to spend cash on anything besides a sub fee.
I just think this game is too deep and way too long to attain any new customers and retain them without dumbing it down a bit.
It just has to be done for growth.
I understand their frustrations but I also like to mock them because in the end its a GAME and things change and usually for the worst if you have been there from the start.
Its nothing new to anyone who has played vids for a long time and now its EVE players time to get noobified.
Deal with it.




Toshiroma McDiesel
Posted - 2011.07.01 03:21:00 - [130]
 

Edited by: Toshiroma McDiesel on 01/07/2011 03:24:24
Originally by: Caroliana
Hey, shooting those statues gained them a lot of press coverage... So whether it seems stupid to you or not, it did accomplish something.


After spending the last week asking in local across several systems....

"There is a statue?" edit: this was new to me too. but I've only been in game 3 months...but alts have been ganked there many times, and still never noticed it.

"It isn't like anyone that actually "plays" Eve ever goes to Jita"

"What the **** are they protesting? {explain} wow, that ****ing gay"

and my favorite "Eve has forums?" YARRRR!!


Suzuka Mei
Posted - 2011.07.01 03:25:00 - [131]
 

Originally by: MORK MAN*****
Originally by: Nullity
I know this will in all likelihood fall upon deaf ears, but I'll try anyway. Mark, the most valuable resource currently in EVE is time played. Everything in the game is spawned into it as a result of a trade between someone trading their time played for that thing to be spawned. Microtransactions get around this fundamental concept of EVE by effectively making time played infinite, and replacing that part of the trade to spawn things with real life money. Real life money, obviously, is something that is not controlled by forced within the game.

What this essentially means to average players is that the sandbox economy that EVE is most known for will be bypassed by things out of its control, since money will be used to spawn things. In a game like EVE, where the immersive, sandbox gameplay is the main draw, that will be a death blow the foundations upon which EVE was built.


I agree with that and its sound logic.
But.
Regarding this as a business its the only way to go IMO.
Vets are mad because all that time amounts to nothing as far as their concerned which isnt true considering how many new players arent going to spend cash on anything besides a sub fee.
I just think this game is too deep and way too long to attain any new customers and retain them without dumbing it down a bit.
It just has to be done for growth.
I understand their frustrations but I also like to mock them because in the end its a GAME and things change and usually for the worst if you have been there from the start.
Its nothing new to anyone who has played vids for a long time and now its EVE players time to get noobified.
Deal with it.






Jesus Christ.

Could you make that harder to read?

Nullity
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.01 03:28:00 - [132]
 

Edited by: Nullity on 01/07/2011 03:29:06
Originally by: MORK MAN*****

I agree with that and its sound logic.
But.
Regarding this as a business its the only way to go IMO.
Vets are mad because all that time amounts to nothing as far as their concerned which isnt true considering how many new players arent going to spend cash on anything besides a sub fee.
I just think this game is too deep and way too long to attain any new customers and retain them without dumbing it down a bit.
It just has to be done for growth.
I understand their frustrations but I also like to mock them because in the end its a GAME and things change and usually for the worst if you have been there from the start.
Its nothing new to anyone who has played vids for a long time and now its EVE players time to get noobified.
Deal with it.



I agree with you in a sense, but there is one flaw in the thinking that broadening EVE's appeal will mean more customers. EVE's entire history of unprecedented success and stable growth has been based upon the fact that it's a niche game, with no real competition. Broadening its appeal threatens to destroy that as I don't know if EVE can necessarily compete with the rest of the MMO market.

If CCP thinks they can make more money with a MT model, then it is the right financial decision to switch to that. However, such a model will destroy the game that they had for eight years, and there is a risk (no matter how small) that this will backfire on them as they start to tackle the previously nonexistent competition.

MORK MANWHORE
Posted - 2011.07.01 03:29:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Suzuka Mei
Originally by: MORK MAN*****
Originally by: Nullity
I know this will in all likelihood fall upon deaf ears, but I'll try anyway. Mark, the most valuable resource currently in EVE is time played. Everything in the game is spawned into it as a result of a trade between someone trading their time played for that thing to be spawned. Microtransactions get around this fundamental concept of EVE by effectively making time played infinite, and replacing that part of the trade to spawn things with real life money. Real life money, obviously, is something that is not controlled by forced within the game.

What this essentially means to average players is that the sandbox economy that EVE is most known for will be bypassed by things out of its control, since money will be used to spawn things. In a game like EVE, where the immersive, sandbox gameplay is the main draw, that will be a death blow the foundations upon which EVE was built.


I agree with that and its sound logic.
But.
Regarding this as a business its the only way to go IMO.
Vets are mad because all that time amounts to nothing as far as their concerned which isnt true considering how many new players arent going to spend cash on anything besides a sub fee.
I just think this game is too deep and way too long to attain any new customers and retain them without dumbing it down a bit.
It just has to be done for growth.
I understand their frustrations but I also like to mock them because in the end its a GAME and things change and usually for the worst if you have been there from the start.
Its nothing new to anyone who has played vids for a long time and now its EVE players time to get noobified.
Deal with it.






Jesus Christ.

Could you make that harder to read?


If thats hard for you to read then you need help.
Those are simplified sentences in a haikuesque form.

Glenntrius Becko
Posted - 2011.07.01 03:36:00 - [134]
 

I don't think this guy knows where his enter key is.

Nor does he have the social skills to emulate the method in which everybody else posts.

BLACK-STAR
Posted - 2011.07.01 03:36:00 - [135]
 

please let this thread die.

Suzuka Mei
Posted - 2011.07.01 03:39:00 - [136]
 

yeah... giving people attention who wouldn't survive a eugenics campaign is pretty bad

MORK MANWHORE
Posted - 2011.07.01 03:39:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: Nullity
Edited by: Nullity on 01/07/2011 03:29:06
Originally by: MORK MAN*****

I agree with that and its sound logic.
But.
Regarding this as a business its the only way to go IMO.
Vets are mad because all that time amounts to nothing as far as their concerned which isnt true considering how many new players arent going to spend cash on anything besides a sub fee.
I just think this game is too deep and way too long to attain any new customers and retain them without dumbing it down a bit.
It just has to be done for growth.
I understand their frustrations but I also like to mock them because in the end its a GAME and things change and usually for the worst if you have been there from the start.
Its nothing new to anyone who has played vids for a long time and now its EVE players time to get noobified.
Deal with it.



I agree with you in a sense, but there is one flaw in the thinking that broadening EVE's appeal will mean more customers. EVE's entire history of unprecedented success and stable growth has been based upon the fact that it's a niche game, with no real competition. Broadening its appeal threatens to destroy that as I don't know if EVE can necessarily compete with the rest of the MMO market.

If CCP thinks they can make more money with a MT model, then it is the right financial decision to switch to that. However, such a model will destroy the game that they had for eight years, and there is a risk (no matter how small) that this will backfire on them as they start to tackle the previously nonexistent competition.


Ya I agree with you but like everything its a gamble. I think as far as CCP goes this game has plateau'd for them and its gamble time. The sole factor of them coming out with a console shooter tied to Eve is brilliant and I hope it works for them and thats gonna get them alot of attention. You are right that it cant compete with other MMO,s because it cant. Way too many people out there prefer easier things like WoW, COD Etc. But I think this small change and the union between this and Dust is gonna make this company alot more money and thats what its all about in the end.

Nullity
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.01 03:49:00 - [138]
 

Edited by: Nullity on 01/07/2011 03:49:05
Originally by: MORK MAN*****
Originally by: Nullity
Edited by: Nullity on 01/07/2011 03:29:06
Originally by: MORK MAN*****

I agree with that and its sound logic.
But.
Regarding this as a business its the only way to go IMO.
Vets are mad because all that time amounts to nothing as far as their concerned which isnt true considering how many new players arent going to spend cash on anything besides a sub fee.
I just think this game is too deep and way too long to attain any new customers and retain them without dumbing it down a bit.
It just has to be done for growth.
I understand their frustrations but I also like to mock them because in the end its a GAME and things change and usually for the worst if you have been there from the start.
Its nothing new to anyone who has played vids for a long time and now its EVE players time to get noobified.
Deal with it.



I agree with you in a sense, but there is one flaw in the thinking that broadening EVE's appeal will mean more customers. EVE's entire history of unprecedented success and stable growth has been based upon the fact that it's a niche game, with no real competition. Broadening its appeal threatens to destroy that as I don't know if EVE can necessarily compete with the rest of the MMO market.

If CCP thinks they can make more money with a MT model, then it is the right financial decision to switch to that. However, such a model will destroy the game that they had for eight years, and there is a risk (no matter how small) that this will backfire on them as they start to tackle the previously nonexistent competition.


Ya I agree with you but like everything its a gamble. I think as far as CCP goes this game has plateau'd for them and its gamble time. The sole factor of them coming out with a console shooter tied to Eve is brilliant and I hope it works for them and thats gonna get them alot of attention. You are right that it cant compete with other MMO,s because it cant. Way too many people out there prefer easier things like WoW, COD Etc. But I think this small change and the union between this and Dust is gonna make this company alot more money and thats what its all about in the end.

One more thing you should consider is that EVE has seemingly only plateaued because of CCP's noticeable lack of dedication since Apocrypha (Spring 2009). I have no doubt that subscriptions would still be rising if it was getting the same level of development as it was then. It's just not known if that'd mean more money in the long run as WOD, Dust, and MT Zombie EVE would generate.

Jerry Pepridge
Posted - 2011.07.01 03:49:00 - [139]
 

bump

Glenntrius Becko
Posted - 2011.07.01 03:50:00 - [140]
 

Originally by: Jerry Pepridge
bump


*slowly discards his fitting clothing, eyeing you up and down with erotic wonder*

BlkQueen
Posted - 2011.07.01 04:37:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: Nullity
Edited by: Nullity on 01/07/2011 03:29:06
Originally by: MORK MAN*****

I agree with that and its sound logic.
But.
Regarding this as a business its the only way to go IMO.
Vets are mad because all that time amounts to nothing as far as their concerned which isnt true considering how many new players arent going to spend cash on anything besides a sub fee.
I just think this game is too deep and way too long to attain any new customers and retain them without dumbing it down a bit.
It just has to be done for growth.
I understand their frustrations but I also like to mock them because in the end its a GAME and things change and usually for the worst if you have been there from the start.
Its nothing new to anyone who has played vids for a long time and now its EVE players time to get noobified.
Deal with it.



I agree with you in a sense, but there is one flaw in the thinking that broadening EVE's appeal will mean more customers. EVE's entire history of unprecedented success and stable growth has been based upon the fact that it's a niche game, with no real competition. Broadening its appeal threatens to destroy that as I don't know if EVE can necessarily compete with the rest of the MMO market.

If CCP thinks they can make more money with a MT model, then it is the right financial decision to switch to that. However, such a model will destroy the game that they had for eight years, and there is a risk (no matter how small) that this will backfire on them as they start to tackle the previously nonexistent competition.


Both of you make good points. But we really need to think about this. If EVE is going in this direction perhaps its out of necessity moreso than greed? CCP is a privately held company so we can't see the financials, but maybe they are in a position where MT is the only option. I truly don't know but we need to consider this.

Nullity
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.01 04:39:00 - [142]
 

Edited by: Nullity on 01/07/2011 04:39:43
Originally by: BlkQueen

Both of you make good points. But we really need to think about this. If EVE is going in this direction perhaps its out of necessity moreso than greed? CCP is a privately held company so we can't see the financials, but maybe they are in a position where MT is the only option. I truly don't know but we need to consider this.

To me, as a player and a customer, it doesn't matter if it's out of necessity for CCP or not as I'm quitting when non-vanity MTs are released. Regardless, I think CCP might think it's necessary to switch payment models for EVE to further fund WOD and Dust.

BlkQueen
Posted - 2011.07.01 04:46:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Nullity
Edited by: Nullity on 01/07/2011 04:39:43
Originally by: BlkQueen

Both of you make good points. But we really need to think about this. If EVE is going in this direction perhaps its out of necessity moreso than greed? CCP is a privately held company so we can't see the financials, but maybe they are in a position where MT is the only option. I truly don't know but we need to consider this.

To me, as a player and a customer, it doesn't matter if it's out of necessity for CCP or not as I'm quitting when non-vanity MTs are released. Regardless, I think CCP might think it's necessary to switch payment models for EVE to further fund WOD and Dust.


I have seen this accusation being thrown around a lot, is there some basis of truth to it? If so please provide.

Aramatheia
Posted - 2011.07.01 04:52:00 - [144]
 

heres a better points, why is everyone being so "butthurt" by other people having opinions. So the long term player base dont like MT as long as it doesnt hurt thier game play (pay to win) then theres really nothing worth raging over. Sure theyre allowed thier opinion and they should be allowed to be vocal about it. But when does that give the right to impede on other peoples gameplay. It stops becoming an opinion when it starts costing players ingame stuff and real life time.

On the other hand, people who are fine with MT are just as allowed to voice thier opinion. This is the internet, this is where everyone can say more or less whatever they like. Its not run by only the long term players - nor the new players

Shutting down systems for the sake of a galactic tantrum wasnt voicing an opinion at all, ever.

Nullity
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.01 04:58:00 - [145]
 

Edited by: Nullity on 01/07/2011 04:58:44
Originally by: Aramatheia

Shutting down systems for the sake of a galactic tantrum wasnt voicing an opinion at all, ever.

Except it was voicing an opinion. The short term cost of having Jita shut down for a day is worth paying to avoid the long term cost of having EVE as we know it permanently and completely destroyed to be replaced by something that will masquerade as EVE Online.

Originally by: BlkQueen
Originally by: Nullity
Edited by: Nullity on 01/07/2011 04:39:43
Originally by: BlkQueen

Both of you make good points. But we really need to think about this. If EVE is going in this direction perhaps its out of necessity moreso than greed? CCP is a privately held company so we can't see the financials, but maybe they are in a position where MT is the only option. I truly don't know but we need to consider this.

To me, as a player and a customer, it doesn't matter if it's out of necessity for CCP or not as I'm quitting when non-vanity MTs are released. Regardless, I think CCP might think it's necessary to switch payment models for EVE to further fund WOD and Dust.


I have seen this accusation being thrown around a lot, is there some basis of truth to it? If so please provide.

Well, there's some pretty detailed information in CCP's public accounting report (which has been analyzed both on here and FHC). Also, where do you think the funding comes from if EVE is essentially their only product?

Dalketh
Posted - 2011.07.01 05:01:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
May I borrow the OP's face? One of my mines collapsed and trapped some peasants down there. Steel bars then collapsed around my wine cellar and I need to use his razor sharp jawline to cut the steel so I can get back into the cellar.


Cute gold sphincter you have welded to your eye socket. How appropriate.

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2011.07.01 05:05:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Harcosi
It got media attention, it was successful.


Sure has been a success.

I haven't seen this many new players coming into the game for a while. Nothing like splashing the web with a video of space lasers blasting away at something to arouse interest in people.

Good job, mateys.

Mr Epeen Cool

Nullity
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.01 05:14:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Harcosi
It got media attention, it was successful.


Sure has been a success.

I haven't seen this many new players coming into the game for a while. Nothing like splashing the web with a video of space lasers blasting away at something to arouse interest in people.

Good job, mateys.

Mr Epeen Cool

The primary goal of the protests was to express displeasure and make it known. We did. It was successful. Personally, I don't think there's anything we, as customers, can do to change CCP's course, so we did as much as possible.

Slymah
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.01 05:21:00 - [149]
 

Well .. OP sounds like you just have bad timing and a lack of intel on the current situation.

This has been the largest protest since the game was launched. The players that love this game don't want to see it go **** up by having it turned into a P-T-W style game.

That's about it

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2011.07.01 05:32:00 - [150]
 

Originally by: MORK MAN*****
My bad. Whatever it was took the brunt of the nerd rage. It was a majestic showing of nerd rage in its full force. Lets get your space fleet together and shoot at something for hours !!!!!!!!! Woooooooooooo !!!!! And yes Im a nerd to for playing Eve but cmon peeps. Get somewhat of a life. Please.


/target
/set orbit
/fire
/afk


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