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Orzgur
Posted - 2011.07.01 01:29:00 - [241]
 

Originally by: Snake Scofield
I for one am glad to see CCP engaging in frank and open discussion with their elected community representatives. It's obvious CCP and the CSM know what all the fuss is about and whether the rage is warranted or not. Looking forward to a positive outcome.



Im sorry, what discussion? Sounds like all they have done has been tell the CSM what they already know and nothing will change

The Ying
Posted - 2011.07.01 01:33:00 - [242]
 

Originally by: Rayna Ravenoff
Originally by: LHA Tarawa
Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak
CCP won't drop the idea of MT. Period. If you are thinking otherwise, you're kidding yourself. After all that work, they're just going to drop it because <5% of the sub base is crying over it? Errrr, no.


If it is only 5%, they you are probably correct. Personally, I hope it is much more. Enough more to get CCP to change their minds. Otherwise, I'm going to miss this game.


Every friend that I have ever played MMO with wants MT. Maybe my crowd is full of working professionals who works really long hours and want to just have some fun without the grinding. Yes, yes, we want the quick and easy path which leads to the darkside.

For us MT is like a fresh box of golf balls. Yeah, we're going to loose them but who cares, it's only $15 bucks!!

You'll have fun blowing up our golden ships. I promise.


The thing is you don't need to grind for SP. you don't need to grind for a ship by just buying a PLEX. Why the **** change it then?

Alice Katsuko
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.07.01 01:35:00 - [243]
 

Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Edited by: Meissa Anunthiel on 30/06/2011 23:52:39
The reason we do not provide more "meat" yet is because we agreed to keep the chatter to a minimum until we had a chance to discuss all the issues and get back to you with a clear global picture on everything pertaining to the situation at hand.

We've been pressing pretty hard for answers on things when CCP wasn't clear enough to my taste. Overall things are progressing positively, but tomorrow is the real test...

I posted a blog update that may not provide anything but impressions, but my general stance and attitude of not compromissing (unless I have very good reason to) should provide an indication as to where this is going.

Have no doubt the concerns that have been voiced so vehemently are being represented.


Thanks for keeping us updated, and ignore the trolls. Looking forward to more information, and hoping you'll release formal minutes at some point in the near future.

Rayna Ravenoff
Posted - 2011.07.01 01:38:00 - [244]
 

Originally by: The Ying
The thing is you don't need to grind for SP. you don't need to grind for a ship by just buying a PLEX. Why the <censored/> change it then?


Training is too slow. I want remaps and training accelerators. And gold/platinum ammo so I can cheat my way through complexes. Yes, yes, I know that will ruin the game, blah, blah, blah. I still want it.

Trotula
Caldari
Sierra Malakoff Diggins
Posted - 2011.07.01 01:42:00 - [245]
 

Sorry, all I'm reading is that CCP is doing their best to spindoctor the negative publicity surrounding the forcing of microtransactions and CQ on players. They appear to be doing exactly what Himtler said in his email, not backing down and will only react to what players do, not what they say.

Here is what my "what players do" message is going to be for you CCP: All three of my account that I paid cash for since 2006 are canceled. I will not reward your behavior with my subscriptions.

Remember players, the CCP email said they will not consider what you post here or elsewhere on the internet, only what ACTIONS you take in regards to your subscriptions will affect the course of this sinking ship. If you don't hit that cancel button today you'll only have yourself to blame when gold ammo hits the NEX store in the years to come.

Less Than Jake
Posted - 2011.07.01 01:45:00 - [246]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Originally by: Nullity
Why is it going to take an entire day to say "No, we'd be crazy to add non-vanity MTs."?

Because you people are ****ing stupid. They've already stated several times they wouldn't but you morons dont listen. lol. Again, i could dig up all the forum posts and devblogs (they aren't buried very far) But im done posting quotes to idiots who cant read.

Speaking of reading, they also said a year ago they would never have microtransactions eve. Glad to see your selective reading abilities, but by all means, please keep spamming the forums with pointless drivel Smile

Carli Zandrya
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.07.01 01:51:00 - [247]
 

OP missed the #1 issue: betrayal.

Again, when you find your spouse cheating on you without remorse, trust is broken forever.

Snake Scofield
Posted - 2011.07.01 01:57:00 - [248]
 

Originally by: Orzgur
Originally by: Snake Scofield
I for one am glad to see CCP engaging in frank and open discussion with their elected community representatives. It's obvious CCP and the CSM know what all the fuss is about and whether the rage is warranted or not. Looking forward to a positive outcome.


Sounds like


I honestly don't know why they bother.

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.01 01:57:00 - [249]
 

Meh.

Well so far I'm unimpressed, but the meetings aren't over yet and all we're hearing are little glimpses out the corner of our eyes. "Communication issues". Yes, yes, that's what it always is, isn't it? Just a big misunderstanding. Actions. Words. A really expensive shirt that says "Say no to microtransactions". Har har my sides. It's still ****ing me up the ass for my money, but it's ironic, so it's far less offensive! Oh wait no it isn't.

But whatever. We'll see how things go.

Koba Kyogen
The Concordiat
Concordiat Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.01 02:06:00 - [250]
 

Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
Originally by: LHA Tarawa
Charlie Charlie Papa, Golf Oscar Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo Yankee Oscar Uniform Romeo Sierra Echo Lima Foxtrot.


Well said.


Alfa Whiskey Echo Sierra Oscar Mike Echo.




Koba

Koba Kyogen
The Concordiat
Concordiat Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.01 02:12:00 - [251]
 

Originally by: Paladia Haberdash
I think people are expecting to much for the first day of "talks" remember this was just the first day of talks with CCP, I personally say we need to know more before flying of the deep end so to speak. I think it's time for cooler heads and reason to pervale.


You're missing the fact that our beloved CSM is unable to tell us anything, aside from "lack of communications is the root of the issue". Laughable, considering they are unable, and unwilling, to give us the full scoop.

Boys and girls, time to lube and brace - 'cuz it's coming and it's angry.




Koba

p.s. anyone else notice how quiet it has gotten in low-sec, null sec? didn't want those subs anyways... participation, numbers in our local, down by half since the rebellion. ugly.

Alaura Aquila
Minmatar
Matari Legion Holding
Matari Legion
Posted - 2011.07.01 02:14:00 - [252]
 

Originally by: Koba Kyogen
Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
Originally by: LHA Tarawa
Charlie Charlie Papa, Golf Oscar Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo Yankee Oscar Uniform Romeo Sierra Echo Lima Foxtrot.


Well said.


Alfa Whiskey Echo Sierra Oscar Mike Echo.

Koba


Lima Oscar Lima

Kirkland Langue
Posted - 2011.07.01 02:27:00 - [253]
 

The CSM is clearly just going to act as mouthpieces for CCP. Without a doubt - the entire Peace Talk was a dog and pony show, planned well in advance, with only one goal: pretending that CCP gives a damn about how the players react to bad news.

Once again, Mittani is just saying that CCP made mistakes with how they explained things to the plebs, instead of saying what we all know: MTs are bad for EVE. Even those pretending they think MTs are good are either clueless, or just trolling.

Koba Kyogen
The Concordiat
Concordiat Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.01 02:35:00 - [254]
 

Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 23:58:10
Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 19:39:54
Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 18:50:19

Suffer, *****es.



Tomorrow, we will tackle the big question: Does CCP have plans to release game-affecting virtual goods (aka "gold ammo")?



UPDATE
Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back. Trebor_CSM tweeted about that, I was about to copy that tweet but apparently he removed it (!!) I am not making this up.

UPDATE 2
Hmm, mixed signals. TheMittani also was at the meeting. His tweet says (source):
Quote:
@MaxSingularity We did discuss ship spinning with CCP and what I heard pleased me. One of the bright spots. Can't say details. vOv


UPDATE 3
CSM veteran Meissa Anunthiel posted a comment on page 8 post 216 including a reference to her blogpost.



Wow, suffer *****es? What are you? Spaceship Rockstar? You toolbag - get off your knees and remember what side you're supposed to be on!

"Tomorrow we will discuss...."

If they have to save it for day two - the news is bad. Just sayin'. Give you a day of dialogue, and then smack your nuts with a flooring hammer. Sorry for the news guys, hope you liked our frozen second world country, enjoy the peanuts on the flight home.

Again - they're saving the "big one" for tomo? Bad weather is comin'

Reminds me of that part of Team America where Baldwin is giving his speech:

"One day you'll look back at the EvE us CSM's have created and say,..."

"Nice going, f*g." "You really made EvE a better game, didn't ya f*g?"



Again CSM - your alliances should spend the few million to award you a dereliction of duty ribbon.



For shame!



Koba

Zarlis
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.01 03:08:00 - [255]
 

They are still on the 'communication breakdown' hand holding crap I see. i.e. too dumb to understand.

A whole day for 'golden ammo'? Really, really bad start as it shouldn't take longer than 5 seconds.

Too much NDA crap.

And Trebor thanks for the update. The warning is appreciated.

Psilocin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.01 03:09:00 - [256]
 

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Tom Peeping
Posted - 2011.07.01 03:20:00 - [257]
 

I fully expect CCP to backtrack big time... I think a lot of the accounts in that thread were legitimatly cancelled... I know the two I posted about were, and I think CCP probably will have that message loud and clear.

I fully expect a TON of CYA stuff... CCP is going to backtrack bigtime..."we never were going to implement P2W", various backtrackings that will all be a complete lie in order to accomplish a certain degree of reconciliation.

I then expect that CCP will implement a halfway measure... something in between P2W and pure vanity... they'll lie, and screw us over to the maximum extent that we will allow.


CCP, we've already got the pertinent messages.... your corporate leadership sucks. They don't have the ability to be fiscally responsible, and expect EVE players to be the cash cow to make up for their fiscal mismanagement with developing too much at once... let alone how many years on the captains quarters?

Basically, there is no parley, there is no truce. CCP will screw us as far as they can. It merely remains to be seen if they use enough lube that it's acceptable to the existing fan base or not. Message received CCP. Go ahead and backtrack... we've already got the real message.

Doc Fury
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.01 03:26:00 - [258]
 

Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Doc Fury
/I am not a Golden Goose
/I am not a Cash Cow


That's what you say, but when it comes to the crunch, will you stay and pay or quit?



Not sure how exactly that is that relevant to your interests, but I was planning on waiting until CCP confirms what I already expect will happen before I make that decision. I've been waiting a long time for CCP to change direction (subbing and unsubbing in-between), this could very well prove to be the last straw for me, I am certainly leaning that way already.

I am fully prepared to be surprised by the outcome of the CSM meeting, but I anticipate being disappointed yet again.






Ard UnjiiGo
Meatshield Bastards
Posted - 2011.07.01 03:29:00 - [259]
 

The fact that CCP put off addressing adding P2W items to the Nex store until tomorrow should tell the CSM exactly what to expect tomorrow (If they aren't too blinded by the prospect of free beer.).

The question isn't what CCP will say. The question is whether the CSM has any stones.

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.07.01 03:47:00 - [260]
 

There is no way everyone will be happy. We have to keep that in mind.

I don't even agree with many as to what the main problem is. The main problem I see is that CCP has let EVE coast for 2 years. Lapping up the money and spending it willy nilly on other projects instead of reinvesting at least a fair portion back into EVE. It has produced what is arguably the worst expansion to date, Incarna. An expansion so unfinished that it would have been an embarrassment to any corporation to put out. It has the feel of a late alpha.

On top of this CCP has attacked the playerbase demanding yet more money that its not spending on EVE. Through 3rd Party License fees and NEX store. The anger players see is that there is no return in investment for them. Yet CCP wants more to spend elsewhere not EVE.

So the crux of the problem is when will we see dedicated work on EVE again, when will it receive the attention it used to? Most people do not believe the answer is after DUST and WoD are completed, they believe CCP will just shift the money again to another new project. While certainly the corp needs investment in future products at least half of the money from EVE Online subscriptions should be going to maintain and develop EVE Online but that's not happening and hasn't for a couple of years. That is what is the main source of anger when you boil off the fog.

BabyEating Dingo
Posted - 2011.07.01 04:03:00 - [261]
 

Edited by: BabyEating Dingo on 01/07/2011 04:03:49
I'm glad to see that the observations made about the CSM being useless vacation-seekers have so far not been contradicted in any significant way.

Lapsed Judgement
Posted - 2011.07.01 04:20:00 - [262]
 

Originally by: Chandaris
Yet another update with zero relevant content, and zero questions answered.


^truth

ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
Posted - 2011.07.01 04:31:00 - [263]
 

This not what I wanted or expected.

I've got less than 3 days left on my first subscription, and I don't want to quit, but I haven't heard anything yet that is going to keep me from doing it.

Garekell
Posted - 2011.07.01 04:31:00 - [264]
 

Originally by: Snake Scofield
I for one am glad to see CCP engaging in frank and open discussion with their elected community representatives. It's obvious CCP and the CSM know what all the fuss is about and whether the rage is warranted or not. Looking forward to a positive outcome.



"It's obvious CCP and the CSM know what all the fuss is about and whether the rage is warranted or not."

Really? You trust the company that caused all this, and the CSM who admit they have been left in the dark and lied to, to know best if anyone should be upset? Idiot. Could your nose get any browner? Could you stick you head any further into the sand? Comments like yours are appropriate to the very distant past before the REALITY of the last months occurred.

Carli Zandrya
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.07.01 04:32:00 - [265]
 

Quote:
Tomorrow, we will tackle the big question: Does CCP have plans to release game-affecting virtual goods (aka "gold ammo")?


I'm sure they'll be suprised at that one. It's not like they're checking the forums or anything >.>

Atreus Venom
Gallente
New Eden Hitmen
Posted - 2011.07.01 04:40:00 - [266]
 

I wish the forums could change something.. in fact they should change something... i believe if they want a full spectrum of eve players opinions.. they should link to the forums at game start up and they have to post something before they can play the game

Dalketh
Posted - 2011.07.01 04:44:00 - [267]
 

Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Edited by: Meissa Anunthiel on 30/06/2011 23:52:39
The reason we do not provide more "meat" yet is because we agreed to keep the chatter to a minimum until we had a chance to discuss all the issues and get back to you with a clear global picture on everything pertaining to the situation at hand.



I am sorry Meissa, I voted for you, but this is exactly the politician like crap that says nothing and leaves people cold. It's a betrayal.

This to me implies that soon(tm) some politically correct statement of namby pamby words will be issued showing 'great strides in new effective communication' and 'a fresh new understanding between ccp and the csm' has occurred, and that we all should trust that YET AGAIN and just wait.... while Eve deteriorates.

I hope I am wrong but this sort of thing (staged public relations farce) never prosper.

Naradius
DEATHFUNK
Posted - 2011.07.01 04:44:00 - [268]
 

Originally by: Chandaris
Yet another update with zero relevant content, and zero questions answered.


This...I came home from work expecting/hoping their would be news, and found the only news was being read by Billy Bull**** - in other words - no content, just like CCP's last expansion attempt.Rolling Eyes

IVeige
Caldari
IVever.
Posted - 2011.07.01 04:49:00 - [269]
 

Explain me member of the csm, why you still dont have for us the simple answer we all request.

To be honest, it should have been the first thing you ask as soon as you were in the building, and seeing ccp not answering it...you should have all walked away.

But its ok, we didnt expect much from the csm anyway.

Karthwritte
Posted - 2011.07.01 04:56:00 - [270]
 

What I think CCP its gonna tell the CSM its: "Hey we are not gonna implement any non-Vanity stuff for now (or: in a immediate future)".

One year later they are gonna bring up the issue again, more specially made for incarna, because: "The whole gaming industry its implementing it (and its gonna be true) and we don't wanna keep behind the competition".

Seems that gaming marketing its totally changing and you gonna see almost everything in DLC stuff and most MMO using the dang MT thing. I was having hope for EVE first, but then I finally understood the whole tendency of the marketing of vgames to implement that way with a lot of revenue coming in from us the players. We are doomed.
Keep check your wallet, don't take hardcore compulsive decisions and be smart. We are gonna say MUUUUU


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