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Ianus
Caldari
Geminus Gateway
Posted - 2011.06.30 22:28:00 - [181]
 

Originally by: MadOverlord

The first day of the great Incarna Peace Talks is over. I will not attempt to go into ...


Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel

Day 1 of the emergency meeting is practically over. Now we have the "informal meetings" that ...



Meh.

Originally by: Helena Russell Makanen

Miila stop using large and/or colored fonts in your posts just to try to make people notice them. It won't help much anyway. The new forums allow people to block trolls/idiots on demand. No one will see your posts then anyway. Razz

Seconded.

Thresh Avery
Best Path Inc.
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2011.06.30 22:29:00 - [182]
 

Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava

UPDATE
Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back. Trebor_CSM tweeted about that, I was about to copy that tweet but apparently he removed it (!!) I am not making this up.

UPDATE 2
Hmm, mixed signals. TheMittani also was at the meeting. His tweet says (source):
Quote:
@MaxSingularity We did discuss ship spinning with CCP and what I heard pleased me. One of the bright spots. Can't say details. vOv



I really hope that the first update is wrong. If not, perhaps they're both true and ship spinning/hangar view aren't returning, but the functionality will.

Personally i think the best way forward would be this:

  • Dock as normal like pre-Incarna; ship spinning/hangar view are fully intact. It's not like CCP have to re-design this either so it shouldn't waste much development time.


  • Now you can switch from ship -> pod -> ship like we're used to and the character is still inside the escape pod


  • On the Neo-com there's a new button, called "decant" or "disembark", above the "undock" button, which when pressed fades the screen out to black and loads the Incarna engine


  • The character will appear on the hangar walkway where he can see his own ship from the Incarna viewpoint (it makes more logical sense than being stood in the CQ as you've just left the ship)


  • The player can then walk around the CQ and enter the other parts of the station when they open up in future expansions, just as ambulation was intended




I have no doubt that several players have already thought of this sort of thing and possibly posted about it, but it's beneficial to both CCP and the playerbase in all aspects:

  • it fits in with game lore; i'm not a role player, but i have read that decanting from the pod is supposed to be an unpleasant process, so we shouldn't be doing it each time we dock


  • it's quicker and easier to dock up in hangar view like pre-Incarna and never see the ambulation view in case we're wanting to quickly switch ship, pick up ammo or pick up that courier mission item we forgot to put in the cargohold before setting off the first time


  • some players don't care for WIS, so why make them do it when it goes against their will, game lore, forces them onto an inoperable loading screen for 20-30 seconds or gives them the only alternative to switch it off altogether and look at a wallpaper of a door?


  • it may reduce the hardware overheating issues as players will not be made to load the CQ


  • it would show that CCP value the feedback of the community and respect their paying customers at a crucial time



I've been playing this game since early 2004, i've always loved it and could never really forsee myself not loving it. The :18months: issue really annoyed me, but i understood that CCP had poorly communicated their reasons for it and i accepted that a small team were dedicating themselves to the issue. But this current series of issues with NeX prices, forced ambulation, prospective P2W and MT schemes - and above all else the feeling that the playerbase has been explicitly lied to - makes me feel like i'm no longer respected as a customer. CCP want my money and they don't care how they get it.

Please change this destructive behaviour - the above steps would be a great way to show your initial intent in fixing the rift between your company and its customers.

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.06.30 22:37:00 - [183]
 

Another thread filled with ******ed trolls and people already resigned to quitting the game, filling space and wasting our time with "I told you so" and "CSM = CCP *****es". Seriously, say something productive or GTFO.

I can't believe that we the community don't have the patience to wait 24 hours for the CSM to breathe, rest, and begin documenting formally what they've seen, in a fashion that answers as many questions possible without violating their NDA's, without which there would be no discussion and even less information made public than we've seen so far.

Show some respect towards the people that left their jobs, families, lives, for a few days of meetings with developers they're just as furious at as we are. They have a lot on their plate, if you're seriously interested in the future of CCP and EvE, and not just here to be a ****, than give em a day for both CCP and CSM to make their individual releases and statements, you'll have all the time in the world to go back to trolling once the summit is over and all that can be made public, is made public.



Oberine Noriepa
Posted - 2011.06.30 22:41:00 - [184]
 

Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Another thread filled with ******ed trolls and people already resigned to quitting the game, filling space and wasting our time with "I told you so" and "CSM = CCP *****es". Seriously, say something productive or GTFO.

I can't believe that we the community don't have the patience to wait 24 hours for the CSM to breathe, rest, and begin documenting formally what they've seen, in a fashion that answers as many questions possible without violating their NDA's, without which there would be no discussion and even less information made public than we've seen so far.

Show some respect towards the people that left their jobs, families, lives, for a few days of meetings with developers they're just as furious at as we are. They have a lot on their plate, if you're seriously interested in the future of CCP and EvE, and not just here to be a ****, than give em a day for both CCP and CSM to make their individual releases and statements, you'll have all the time in the world to go back to trolling once the summit is over and all that can be made public, is made public.




+1

Typhoon Warfreak
Caldari
Definitive Exploration and Excavations
Posted - 2011.06.30 22:42:00 - [185]
 

I have used the CQ, and to be honest, right now, it's easier to simply use the left navigation to do things. But if they expand more of that now, perhaps. I played with CQ, then just left it alone, I got stuff to blow up.

But from the CSM talks, I have a good feeling it went a little like this. CCP tells CSM their plans. Vanity items for MT in the meantime, and if they have an idea for non-vanity items, it would at like the LP store, replacing LP with AUR. That stops the playerbase jumping up and down that they are bypassing the economy. Major problem solved.

Second, CCP shows a little more of what CQ will really do. It will be designed to expand more of walking in stations, probably having a communal area where guests of the station can see each other, steal monocles, whatever. If the CQ is the first phase, then it is likely that would be the second.

The whole problem this started was because a leaked document was shown, taken completely out of context, and CCP stonewalled. No communication, and people started filling the void with their own "information". That lead to where we are now. If CCP was more transparent about all of this, they would have given us information on what is going on. The only way to combat misinformation is to give actual, factual information. CCP dropped their pants, boxers and all on this one.

We also have a bunch of self-important players who think they can change policy. With a sub base of about 300k last announcement, and 10k quitting effectively, it isn't as painful as those protesting on the forum make it out to be. 1 in 30 are threatening to quit. Well, in that case, sell your junk, biomass, and leave. The world doesn't revolve around you, no matter how much you would like that to be.

CSM is there to be representative of all of us. And they are just that. Talking to people actually play, most don't care, some want shiny things to go boom. A few threaten to quit. So that means, apathy > excited > angry. That is pretty representative of CSM, they are walking in with open minds, with some concerns. CCP doesn't have to listen to CSM, but it seems in this case, they are approaching it somewhat.

A lot of the self-righteous protestors forget this. Your views do not represent that of the player base at large. I logged on before, 42k players online, about 10 in Jita shooting the statue. Most of the player base has moved on, and so should you guys. There is a black hole's chance that CCP will go back on MT and NeX, so if you don't like it, seriously, leave, because it's not going to change. Why stay for something that physically makes you ill. Make good on your threat to unsub.

And whoever wrote that these changes will benefit the older, richer players will be right. After all, it is they who can best afford these new items and changes. Not the rest of us. Makes no sense for them to protest.

Urah Dedman
Minmatar
DEEP-13
Posted - 2011.06.30 22:43:00 - [186]
 

Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Another thread filled with ******ed trolls and people already resigned to quitting the game, filling space and wasting our time with "I told you so" and "CSM = CCP *****es". Seriously, say something productive or GTFO.

I can't believe that we the community don't have the patience to wait 24 hours for the CSM to breathe, rest, and begin documenting formally what they've seen, in a fashion that answers as many questions possible without violating their NDA's, without which there would be no discussion and even less information made public than we've seen so far.

Show some respect towards the people that left their jobs, families, lives, for a few days of meetings with developers they're just as furious at as we are. They have a lot on their plate, if you're seriously interested in the future of CCP and EvE, and not just here to be a ****, than give em a day for both CCP and CSM to make their individual releases and statements, you'll have all the time in the world to go back to trolling once the summit is over and all that can be made public, is made public.





Yeah .. I gotta agree here...Chill. Have a drink, have a smoke.. go blink in pain at the sun... whatever it takes. Just be patient.

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.06.30 22:46:00 - [187]
 

Originally by: San Severina
Edited by: San Severina on 30/06/2011 22:07:01
thanks for zero 'REAL' information, I'm pretty sure no matter how good the CSM's intentions Non Disclosure will make the whole thing a farce.


Edit; everybody crowd around to watch EvE in it's Death throws. This is so morbid. I like it!


I love ya San, but gimme a break. Even if all the quitters stay quitters, its not going to "kill eve"... 2-3% of subscriber base isn't enough to topple the company, just enough to make them suffer a bit and tighten their belts for the time being.

There are lots of us in the middle of this war that just want to see discussion remain productive, and hold out HOPE that some good can come of this. I have my criticisms of CCP to, it's obvious, as CSM Trebor pointed out, they shot themselves in the foot and ass simultaneously. But that being said, we reserve the right to stick around, speak our peace, and listen to them during their chance to redeem themslves.

The naysayers though, have become nothing more than people who've made up their minds, won't change regardless of what is said, and feel the need to take as many people with them on their way out, hurting their friends and corpmates they've left behind who still enjoy what's left of the game and want to enjoy it in the meantime.

Letting EvE die a natural death due to people cancelling subs is one thing, actively throwing stones and egging this on hurts other players and the experience they're trying to improve, more than it ever will hurt CCP.

LHA Tarawa
Posted - 2011.06.30 22:58:00 - [188]
 

Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak
The whole problem this started was because a leaked document was shown, taken completely out of context, and CCP stonewalled. No communication, and people started filling the void with their own "information".


WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!!

This all started when CCP was caught cheating, taking sides in a war by handing out BPOs. They created the CSM to appease the players.

It built through 4 CSMs as the CSMs kept submitting list after list after list of stuff players wanted, but CCP ignored those lists focused on stuff players had no interest in like Dust, WoD and walking in stations.

It first came to a head when CSM 5 put thier foot down and demanded that CCP start working on the stuff on the lists that CSMs had been submitting for half-a-decade. They were flat out told, no! CCP had no intention of doing anything CSM or players wanted for atleast 18 months as they were only working on the stuff players did not want.

CSM 5 was also told of plans for microtransactions. Rumors that you'd be able to use real money to buy neural remaps, training accelerators, or even flat out buy skill points.

People start unsubbing in outrage of the 18-month+ before they can work on things players want and outrage over MT leaks.

CSM 5 and CCP had long discussion, and CCP said "Okay, not MT for now but we reserve the right to revisit."

Incursions... wasted release with nothing players wanted.

Now Incarna... Not only does it not have anything that players wanted, it has a resource hungry, useless CQ. And worst of all, it impliments the framework needed to impliment pay to win style MTs.

THEN the leaked memo about how they want to charge for this and that and the other thing, which they did not refute.

It did not start with a leaked memo, that was simply the camel that broke the straw's back.

Boaz Hedion Merkava
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:01:00 - [189]
 

Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 23:01:41

LHA it's a shame that people post new threads about random shıt all the time (of which I have been guilty for on occasion, too) while posts like yours will get buried. Should be the other way around really.

Theoer
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:03:00 - [190]
 

And they travelled to Iceland to mostly analyze the Nexus prices ?

LHA Tarawa
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:04:00 - [191]
 

Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen

Letting EvE die a natural death due to people cancelling subs is one thing, actively throwing stones and egging this on hurts other players and the experience they're trying to improve, more than it ever will hurt CCP.


Unless the throwing of stones gets CCP to turn the car around and start heading in another direction.

Space ships. Space battles. Building a corp, an alliance, an empire. Mining, research. manufacturing. Player driven economy...

NOT walking in stations, pay to win, microtransactions, Dust, vampires....

Inquisitor Cerberuso
Hounds of Helll
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:05:00 - [192]
 

Originally by: Sarmatiko
Quote:
Suggestion of the day: adding a "Just Say NO to Virtual Goods" t-shirt to the Noble Exchange, priced higher than a monocle.

Will buy this just to mock raging idiots Razz

+1

Typhoon Warfreak
Caldari
Definitive Exploration and Excavations
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:06:00 - [193]
 

I'm pretty sure I was referring to the start of this incident, since Incarna was released. I really don't care about the foundations of CSM at the moment, it isn't relevant to the discussion.

Elrica bloodbane
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:09:00 - [194]
 

Originally by: LHA Tarawa
Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak
The whole problem this started was because a leaked document was shown, taken completely out of context, and CCP stonewalled. No communication, and people started filling the void with their own "information".


WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!!

This all started when CCP was caught cheating, taking sides in a war by handing out BPOs. They created the CSM to appease the players.

It built through 4 CSMs as the CSMs kept submitting list after list after list of stuff players wanted, but CCP ignored those lists focused on stuff players had no interest in like Dust, WoD and walking in stations.

It first came to a head when CSM 5 put thier foot down and demanded that CCP start working on the stuff on the lists that CSMs had been submitting for half-a-decade. They were flat out told, no! CCP had no intention of doing anything CSM or players wanted for atleast 18 months as they were only working on the stuff players did not want.

CSM 5 was also told of plans for microtransactions. Rumors that you'd be able to use real money to buy neural remaps, training accelerators, or even flat out buy skill points.

People start unsubbing in outrage of the 18-month+ before they can work on things players want and outrage over MT leaks.

CSM 5 and CCP had long discussion, and CCP said "Okay, not MT for now but we reserve the right to revisit."

Incursions... wasted release with nothing players wanted.

Now Incarna... Not only does it not have anything that players wanted, it has a resource hungry, useless CQ. And worst of all, it impliments the framework needed to impliment pay to win style MTs.

THEN the leaked memo about how they want to charge for this and that and the other thing, which they did not refute.

It did not start with a leaked memo, that was simply the camel that broke the straw's back.


Thats the truth of it.
and also charging third party apps like evemon etc

Khamal Jolstien
Caldari
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:10:00 - [195]
 

Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Another thread filled with ******ed trolls and people already resigned to quitting the game, filling space and wasting our time with "I told you so" and "CSM = CCP *****es". Seriously, say something productive or GTFO.

I can't believe that we the community don't have the patience to wait 24 hours for the CSM to breathe, rest, and begin documenting formally what they've seen, in a fashion that answers as many questions possible without violating their NDA's, without which there would be no discussion and even less information made public than we've seen so far.

Show some respect towards the people that left their jobs, families, lives, for a few days of meetings with developers they're just as furious at as we are. They have a lot on their plate, if you're seriously interested in the future of CCP and EvE, and not just here to be a ****, than give em a day for both CCP and CSM to make their individual releases and statements, you'll have all the time in the world to go back to trolling once the summit is over and all that can be made public, is made public.




Say something productive, or GTFO. We're trying to save EVE from itself, and there is little to be gained by not calling out a useless CSM.

Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:12:00 - [196]
 

Originally by: LHA Tarawa
Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak
The whole problem this started was because a leaked document was shown, taken completely out of context, and CCP stonewalled. No communication, and people started filling the void with their own "information".


WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!!

This all started when CCP was caught cheating, taking sides in a war by handing out BPOs. They created the CSM to appease the players.

It built through 4 CSMs as the CSMs kept submitting list after list after list of stuff players wanted, but CCP ignored those lists focused on stuff players had no interest in like Dust, WoD and walking in stations.

It first came to a head when CSM 5 put thier foot down and demanded that CCP start working on the stuff on the lists that CSMs had been submitting for half-a-decade. They were flat out told, no! CCP had no intention of doing anything CSM or players wanted for atleast 18 months as they were only working on the stuff players did not want.

CSM 5 was also told of plans for microtransactions. Rumors that you'd be able to use real money to buy neural remaps, training accelerators, or even flat out buy skill points.

People start unsubbing in outrage of the 18-month+ before they can work on things players want and outrage over MT leaks.

CSM 5 and CCP had long discussion, and CCP said "Okay, not MT for now but we reserve the right to revisit."

Incursions... wasted release with nothing players wanted.

Now Incarna... Not only does it not have anything that players wanted, it has a resource hungry, useless CQ. And worst of all, it impliments the framework needed to impliment pay to win style MTs.

THEN the leaked memo about how they want to charge for this and that and the other thing, which they did not refute.

It did not start with a leaked memo, that was simply the camel that broke the straw's back.


Confirming T20 was the entire company of CCP taking sides in a war. Also confirming you speak for every last player when you unequivocally say that no one wants some of the things CCP is working on.

LHA Tarawa
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:15:00 - [197]
 

Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak
I'm pretty sure I was referring to the start of this incident, since Incarna was released. I really don't care about the foundations of CSM at the moment, it isn't relevant to the discussion.


It IS relivant to the discussion.

CSM was created as a PR tool. When the CSM actually tried to acheive something, CCP ignored them. CCP continues down the path of mocritransactions despite players and CSM saying over and over, NO!!!!!

So now, they fly CSM to Iceland AGAIN to try to apease the players.

Well, I unsubbed all my accounts and I'm telling everyone I can why.

CCP has ignored the players. They are not doing ANYTHING the players want and are just marching headlong off the cliff of microtransactions.

Until CCP makes a clear statement that they will drop the idea of microtransactions, they will quit working on walking in stations, will pull resources back from Dust and WoD to the spaceship game that pays the bills, and they will start taking the players wants, as expressed through the CSM VERY seriously, they will not be getting any more money from me, and I will work to get as many other players to quit with me as I can.

CCP does not deserve our money after the way they have treated the players of EVE.

RavenNyx
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:19:00 - [198]
 

Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Originally by: San Severina
Edited by: San Severina on 30/06/2011 22:07:01
thanks for zero 'REAL' information, I'm pretty sure no matter how good the CSM's intentions Non Disclosure will make the whole thing a farce.


Edit; everybody crowd around to watch EvE in it's Death throws. This is so morbid. I like it!


I love ya San, but gimme a break. Even if all the quitters stay quitters, its not going to "kill eve"... 2-3% of subscriber base isn't enough to topple the company, just enough to make them suffer a bit and tighten their belts for the time being.

There are lots of us in the middle of this war that just want to see discussion remain productive, and hold out HOPE that some good can come of this. I have my criticisms of CCP to, it's obvious, as CSM Trebor pointed out, they shot themselves in the foot and ass simultaneously. But that being said, we reserve the right to stick around, speak our peace, and listen to them during their chance to redeem themslves.

The naysayers though, have become nothing more than people who've made up their minds, won't change regardless of what is said, and feel the need to take as many people with them on their way out, hurting their friends and corpmates they've left behind who still enjoy what's left of the game and want to enjoy it in the meantime.

Letting EvE die a natural death due to people cancelling subs is one thing, actively throwing stones and egging this on hurts other players and the experience they're trying to improve, more than it ever will hurt CCP.

You're wrong. Staying calm is not what CCP wants. Didn't you read the memo? "Whatch what they do, not what they say"... If we create threadnaughts, waste precious resources at firing at some indestructible stuff in space, that's our way of _displaying_ (again, mind you, exactly what CCP wants) our feelings.

No, this is not the time to "chill out" or "calm down". This is the time to start a fire a Jita 4-4, and watch it all burn... CCP F'ed up, BIG TIME, and they need to be made aware that we, their customers, are NOT pleased with what they're stuffing down our throats, and they need to be aware that several of the most loudmouthed EvE-players are prepared to cancel their accounts. Chill until the CSM is done taking ord... talking to CCP? CCP controls what the CSM says anyways - that NDA could say ANYTHING, and I don't really believe in the CSM. The first day of talks? What did they bring back to the community? NOTHING but "we can't disclose anything at this point". What's the secret? What's the big surprise?

No way - waiting and calming down will make this whole thing loose momentum, and that's what CCP is waiting for. Then they can pull graphs out their rears telling us that everything is fine, and there's nothing to see here, move along... Load of BS, and if I can help it, not going to happen :)

What you're suggesting, is a way of avoiding a conflict, 'cause you're scared and do not want to take on the "evil empire". I wan't ppl taking sides - you want them to be neutral. Let's agree to disagree. :)

Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:21:00 - [199]
 

Its becoming clear that CCP intends WiS to be treated as a separate but inter connected game like Dust. It offers an opportunity to raise revenue using MT via the PLEX system while serving as a test bed for Carbon and the underlying code and mechanics for WoD (basically a win win for CCP).

Maybe CCP will keep the promise that anything created by Db entries will be cosmetic if it effects in space game, stuff like decals, corp services like fitting lists and background checks, which is acceptable as it doesn´t break the eve in space game, hopefully that´s why the CSM sound slightly positive.

If that is the plan if they were honest about it and also gave a long term game plan so we knew what sort of stuff was in store since they are in the process of changing the game world so dramatically lots of rage would be quelled.

fake edit: somehow i feel that Dust interaction charges will be getting paid from both ends, what accountant/banker could resist

..... and yes i would be upset if they charged for items that were previously free

Solosky
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:23:00 - [200]
 

TL;DR: wasting of time.

Thesis like "we didn't talk well - and that's the only mistake we did" I won't reactivate at least 2 out of 3 cancelled subscriptions. Expected much more than fugly monocle, closed station door and ridiculously expensive pixels a.k.a. "NeX shop".

Typhoon Warfreak
Caldari
Definitive Exploration and Excavations
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:23:00 - [201]
 

CCP won't drop the idea of MT. Period. If you are thinking otherwise, you're kidding yourself. After all that work, they're just going to drop it because <5% of the sub base is crying over it? Errrr, no.

Raven, if that's your attitude, just leave. We don't need crybabies in the game anyway. Cause what are you achieving? Posting on a forum wasting time you can be outside in the sun? Playing a game you hate. Commenting on changes that won't occur. Commenting on a game you hate? That defies all rational sense. Then again, most of the protesters aren't exactly the definition of rational...

Azerick Koslova
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:23:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Helena Russell Makanen
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 30/06/2011 21:45:46
Originally by: Elrica bloodbane
Anybody upset over 3rd party app getting charged 99$ per year if they have donate button.i mean things like evemon etc



Me, I was developing an Eve SDK and 2 other apps building upon that, and 2 others at design stage.
The Sdk would have made building Eve apps a walk in the park, just glue em together.

All Cancelled now.



Miila stop using large and/or colored fonts in your posts just to try to make people notice them. It won't help much anyway. The new forums allow people to block trolls/idiots on demand. No one will see your posts then anyway. Razz



I can use whatever I please, welcome to public gaming.



Yeah...so what if everybody's sick of seeing your trolls every few posts. And who cares that we all want you to take your bottom lip, pull it over the top of your head and swallow? Post away troll.

Phor Um Panala
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:25:00 - [203]
 

This whole thing is a ****ing joke. The fact that a "major" game company has to summon this group of players to Iceland for "Peace Talks" is ****ing pathetic in every single way. Add onto that these ****ty updates we get from the CSM and, well, everything is just so amateur...though that's pretty much par for the course for CCP.

I really am in shock how amateur CCP still is after all these years. What's worse is that people seem to think the CSM will get a business to change their whole business strategy because of "Peace Talks". Really wish I could live in that ****ing fantasy world...

LHA Tarawa
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:26:00 - [204]
 

Originally by: Erichk Knaar

Confirming T20 was the entire company of CCP taking sides in a war. Also confirming you speak for every last player when you unequivocally say that no one wants some of the things CCP is working on.



Strawman.

The REAL issue, and the point of 95% of my post you failed to comment on, is that CCP has ignored the lists of enhancement requests submitted by CSMs for more than half a decade, CCP has continued to develop walk in stations despite several CSMs saying it was not aplayer priority, and CCP has continued to move toward microtransactions even though players and CSMs have begged, pleaded and demanded they not go down that road.

Now that the fecal matter of player outrage is again hitting the rotary ventalator of CCP ignoring CSM and players and chraging headlong into walking in stations and microtransactions, they again bring in the CSM as a PR sideshow.

Are they actually going to do what the CSM and players want?????

Nope.

CCP has made it clear that once again, they consider this simply an unfortunate miscommunication.

NO CCP!!!!! This is not a miscommunication that you can fix by flying in the CSM for a couple days of meetings. This is player outrage at your pig headed refusal to listen to your customers.

So, I'm not their customer any more. I'm working to get as many others to unsub also. The hope beyond hope is that CCP will pull their collective head out of their collective sphincter and actually LISTEN to the player and CSM and stop working on stuff like walking in stations and Dust and WoD and microtransactions, and start working on stuff CSM and players have been asking for!

Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:28:00 - [205]
 

You'd honestly swear nobody on this forum could read a word. Zero relevant content..Waste of time..yadda..yadda..yadda.


I thought it was particularly informative, and found what wasn't said directly to be relatively informative, despite it not being said. Personally, I don't think the lot of you even read two words of anything posted here anymore, and just jump to conclusions and post ambulatory negative responses. I've very clear evidence of that on more than a few occasions lately.

Here's a good example.

He definitely wasn't reading.

Anyway.. whatever. Be negative and grossly ignorant if you like; at least the rest of us will have some small amusement seeing responses like that, after we have read the thing.

The HypnoToad
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:30:00 - [206]
 

TLDR; did anyone mention the soap getting dropped and you got ****d?

LHA Tarawa
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:30:00 - [207]
 

Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak
CCP won't drop the idea of MT. Period. If you are thinking otherwise, you're kidding yourself. After all that work, they're just going to drop it because <5% of the sub base is crying over it? Errrr, no.


If it is only 5%, they you are probably correct. Personally, I hope it is much more. Enough more to get CCP to change their minds. Otherwise, I'm going to miss this game.

Enik3
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:32:00 - [208]
 

I dunno, sounds like a whole lot of *sluuuuuuurp* to me! Just as expected!

DeTox MinRohim
Madhatters Inc.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:33:00 - [209]
 

Edited by: DeTox MinRohim on 30/06/2011 23:33:23

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"There will be no Power Items on the Noble Exchange Market!"
- CCP Minister of Communications

Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:33:00 - [210]
 

Originally by: LHA Tarawa
Originally by: Erichk Knaar

Confirming T20 was the entire company of CCP taking sides in a war. Also confirming you speak for every last player when you unequivocally say that no one wants some of the things CCP is working on.



Strawman.

The REAL issue, and the point of 95% of my post you failed to comment on, is that CCP has ignored the lists of enhancement requests submitted by CSMs for more than half a decade, CCP has continued to develop walk in stations despite several CSMs saying it was not aplayer priority, and CCP has continued to move toward microtransactions even though players and CSMs have begged, pleaded and demanded they not go down that road.

Now that the fecal matter of player outrage is again hitting the rotary ventalator of CCP ignoring CSM and players and chraging headlong into walking in stations and microtransactions, they again bring in the CSM as a PR sideshow.

Are they actually going to do what the CSM and players want?????

Nope.

CCP has made it clear that once again, they consider this simply an unfortunate miscommunication.

NO CCP!!!!! This is not a miscommunication that you can fix by flying in the CSM for a couple days of meetings. This is player outrage at your pig headed refusal to listen to your customers.

So, I'm not their customer any more. I'm working to get as many others to unsub also. The hope beyond hope is that CCP will pull their collective head out of their collective sphincter and actually LISTEN to the player and CSM and stop working on stuff like walking in stations and Dust and WoD and microtransactions, and start working on stuff CSM and players have been asking for!



Awful lot of :words: for someone with no dog in the hunt.

Also, confirming you and 99% of the players who sperg some of the most ill conceived, asinine rubbish in the assembly hall forum know bugger all about the business of video games.

Incarna has been coming coming for years. Why the surprise now? (rhetorical question)


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