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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:56:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Mixne
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Ilene D'over
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava

Tomorrow, we will tackle the big question: Does CCP have plans to release game-affecting virtual goods (aka "gold ammo")?

A whole day to discuss this? Looks like the answer to "Will there be game changing items available for sale as an MT" is Yes.




Yes, getting an agreement on COLOUR is so hard. They have to get the PANTONE colour cards out, run outside to see the natural colour and not the flourescant effect or blueing effect.

It is like choosing a dress in a store, you have to see it in outside light first.




It would have been much easier if they could have just used the 'gold' they had originally planned on, but no... no one wanted GOLD.



CCP cannot afford GOLD, didn't you see their financials?

We could have BRASS, I don't mind brass, it looks like GOLD.

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:56:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 19:39:54
Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 18:50:19

Source:
http://treborofthecsm.blogspot.com/2011/06/peace-talks-day-one.html

CCP started this meeting by saying something incredibly smart. It gave me hope that the entire summit would be a success, but you will have to wait to find out what it was. Suffer, *****es.



Are they going to actually assign a substantial number of devs to work on in space features of eve?

Because if not we will know to expect more worthless expansions.

Best news would be that instead of the 70 devs working on incarna-transactions and 22 on in space eve they will have 70 on in space eve and 22 on incarna-transactions.


General Xenophon
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:56:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: General Xenophon on 30/06/2011 19:59:04
So what was actually accomplished today besides the wet-hands greet and ass kissing?

Also what's with CCP being so adamantly against the option of station spinning when players have clearly stated they liked it and want it back?

Why not have the option for 'old station' look and 'new station' look? It can't be THAT hard to implement both - but for CCP, apparently yes.


Starkiller Adams
Gallente
Interwebs Cooter Explosion
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:56:00 - [94]
 

Edited by: Starkiller Adams on 30/06/2011 20:00:39
This doesnt answer the following questions

1)what do the women in iceland look like
2)will CCP be releasing the "Im sorry we are **** ups" Expansion
3)does santa live there?
4)That whole no game affecting vanity items crap
5How **** show drunk they are getting tonight


im sure the is alot of nondisclosure crap at work here alsoEvil or Very Mad

Atreus Venom
Gallente
New Eden Hitmen
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:57:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Nidda Schottajack
I'm starting to think I'm the only person who doesn't give a damn what they charge for vanity virtual goods. To me, even discussing (much less getting passionate over) the pricing of them was a waste of time. CCP can charge whatever they like for their monacles and pants as long as they keep it from being game impacting.

Really shocked to hear that we are stuck with CQ.




HOLY **** THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE WHO THINK THATS WHAT IT IS ABOUT!!!! ok something is wrong in communication...... is there a language u guys can read easier?

Imryn Xaran
Caldari
Coherent Light Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:58:00 - [96]
 

Edited by: Imryn Xaran on 30/06/2011 19:58:45
Why did you spend even one single minute discussing the pricing of virtual goods? Nobody gives a rats ass how much they charge for stuff, it is the range of goods that we care about.

The only people who seem to think the pricing is an issue is CCP. Classic example of "If you don't want to answer the question you have been asked, answer a different question". Every politician in the world knows how to do that one, and if you let CCP do it to you then you should be ashamed of yourselves.

The question that CCP has to provide a clear and unequivocal answer to is "Will you ever sell Non vanity items"

If you don't get an answer to that question you have wasted your trip.

Exordium8
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:59:00 - [97]
 

Edited by: Exordium8 on 30/06/2011 19:58:49
Originally by: Atreus Venom
Originally by: Nidda Schottajack
I'm starting to think I'm the only person who doesn't give a damn what they charge for vanity virtual goods. To me, even discussing (much less getting passionate over) the pricing of them was a waste of time. CCP can charge whatever they like for their monacles and pants as long as they keep it from being game impacting.

Really shocked to hear that we are stuck with CQ.




HOLY **** THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE WHO THINK THATS WHAT IT IS ABOUT!!!! ok something is wrong in communication...... is there a language u guys can read easier?

So... what is it about?

Cause I'm pretty sure you have no idea what the issue is.

Ordais
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:59:00 - [98]
 

OMG...if you really believe them that it was just "unfortunate coincidence" that they behaved as they did, you are just...so way off.

Common, don't go soft the first day already.

Kidara Malfasian
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:00:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Henry Haphorn
Wow, all the people who criticize the CSM so much is starting to remind me of the new political ads that came out this month (a year and a half ahead of the 2012 US presidential election). Candidate A is evil because he/she raises taxes, Candidate B is out of touch because he/she is conservative, Candidate C is ignored because he is either a Mormon or not conservative enough, and Candidate D is completely forgotten because he/she is an independent.

Anything can be construed by the masses as nothing more than a PR stunt no matter upfront CCP decides to be with the CSM. That being said, at least be thankful that we players even have a representative voice that is directly elected by capsuleers.


Agreed. People are ridiculous.

A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.--Simon and Garfunkel

Evar
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:00:00 - [100]
 

Well heading back to Jita and firing up my Rainbow equipped APOC, why won't that monument crack...

coolzero
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:01:00 - [101]
 

Edited by: coolzero on 30/06/2011 20:02:56
maby this will help(tho it could be bad translated by google)

mun a vera nokku anna selt hgma atrii NEX b J ea Nei

Ghazi
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:02:00 - [102]
 

tyvm, you just wasted a few minutes of my life.

Frau JeanYus
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:02:00 - [103]
 

Edited by: Frau JeanYus on 30/06/2011 20:28:49
Don't care about NeX, don't care, but kinda like CQ.

What do I really care about? FIXING EVE. All the post's/entries from csm minutes for the last 2 YEARS!

SEE THIS POST PLZ > http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1541808

So many tweaks - upgrades - leveling / balancing in EVE, not Dust/WoD, are needed. WHEN? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

OK, I feel better nao.

Good Luck - WE'RE gonna need it.

Evil or Very Mad

LHA Tarawa
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:03:00 - [104]
 

All 4 of my accounts were unsubbed today. Unfortuantly, I was on 6 month billing, so I have anywhere from 2 months to 5 months before the economic impact is actually felt by CCP. Well, at least that gives me time to distribute my billions of ISK worth of assets to friends.


Palovana
Caldari
Inner Fire Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:04:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Starkiller Adams
Edited by: Starkiller Adams on 30/06/2011 20:00:39
This doesnt answer the following questions

1)what do the women in iceland look like
2)will CCP be releasing the "Im sorry we are **** ups" Expansion
3)does santa live there?
4)That whole no game affecting vanity items crap
5How **** show drunk they are getting tonight

im sure the is alot of nondisclosure crap at work here alsoEvil or Very Mad


1. Find a picture of Bjrk for an example.
2. No.
3. Santa lives in Finland, not Iceland.
4. CCP will do what CCP is planning on doing, regardless of what they tell us. They will lie or tell the truth but we can not believe them anyway.
5. They were probably drunk by 12:00 already.

KrustyKrab
Can We Haz Your Stuff
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:05:00 - [106]
 

put 10,000 monkeys in a room and eventually they'll come to an agreement with CCP. They'll probably write Shakespeare though before they accomplish anything we are looking for. 10,000 monkeys still has a better chance than anything the CSM can accomplish.

Viibl Triibl
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:06:00 - [107]
 

Edited by: Viibl Triibl on 30/06/2011 20:14:39
(Note: This was emailed to Trebor prior to the meetings)

Posting this again because it needs traction, and it needs your support if CCP is to get the message that there is a better way.

This is a model that allows for performance-enhancing microtransactions, adds new content at a faster pace and keeps the player economy intact. Bump it, repost it and advocate for it as one of only a few reasonable solutions to this impasse.

I've worked through and adapted a system similar to kickstarter.com for Eve Online. For the sake of this write-up, we'll call it the Eve Project Incubator (EPI).

Overview of EPI workflow:
  • CCP creates a project proposal with sketches, early renders and statistical information on a new item for Eve

  • This project proposal includes a target investment goal in order for the work to be executed in full and integrated into the game

  • Players use aurum (purchased with dollars and PLEX) to contribute to the proposed project. For each proposal, a reward structure is created for donors, awarding them one of the proposed items based on amount donated. (Note: Since aurum is 100% managed by CCP, it's only officially deducted when a project reaches its goal, and donations can be retracted by players at any time prior to the project closing.)

  • Once the project reaches its donation goal, the work is executed/completed and integrated into the game in the form of blueprints. Complete items are given to the donors who met contribution requirements at the same time the BPs are seeded.


Example projects (using estimated aurum amounts based on exchange rate):

Cowboy hat
  • Investment goal: 200,000 aurum

  • Free cowboy hat given to donors at 900 aurum, 1800 and 3600 aurum (max three)

  • Cost in-game: 90,000,000 ISK


Unique EoM Frigate
  • Investment goal: 2,000,000 aurum

  • Free frigate given to donors at 1500, 3000 and 4500 aurum

  • Cost in-game: 100,000,000 ISK


Benefits:
  • Players can vote for content they want by donating (dollars or PLEX as aurum) to the projects that interest them most, and they receive something for their donations

  • All items can still be made by players and purchasable by all for ISK

  • CCP can get compensated for additional content they add outside of expansions. They set the donation goals based on what is profitable for them.


Down the road, CCP might release a content development kit to allow players to create the content for a % cut of the cost (paid out in dollars, aurum or ISK). This further enhances the content stream and increases CCP profit margin.

Additional implications:

  • Players do get a chance to purchase items outside of the normal Eve economy as part of the reward mechanic for donating. This is a temporary and limited opportunity, and is counter-balanced by the fact that these players are bankrolling new content for everyone else to buy with ISK. Since many of the items are destructible (ships) or have usage caps (paint cans), those players will have to buy from other players if they want the same items later.


  • There will be a delay between the time that players "donate" and the time that they receive the reward items. This delay is less appealing than "pay now get it now" gratification as found in other schemes, but donating aurum does net you first dibs on the items when they are introduced as you don't have to wait for someone to product them in-game.


  • A potential tweak is to allow players to donate beyond the project goal, allowing players who may not have donated in time to still purchase the items in question with aurum up until the items are officially introduced into the game, at which point the only way to buy is ISK. This adds revenue for CCP. Note that the donating players do not receive their rewards until the item is in the game.

derivativo
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:06:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Chandaris
Yet another update with zero relevant content, and zero questions answered.


+1

I wonder where all that "awesomeness" they believe being creating will ever get into the hearts of players. So far we just have "bread and circuses".

Kale Anderson
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:06:00 - [109]
 

i still have no idea why they couldn't keep the old station view.

RavenNyx
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:08:00 - [110]
 

Edited by: RavenNyx on 30/06/2011 20:09:25
* - deleted due to rant

Nothing to see here - carry on...

Saving Face
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:08:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Kale Anderson
i still have no idea why they couldn't keep the old station view.


Obviously they need to force people to use CQ so they can see the clothes they are supposed to buy.

Gordon McClaine
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:14:00 - [112]
 

Zero information, just like I expected.

CCP: let's throw the CSM a jolly that will keep the masses quiet.

Why bother to re-sub?

BombDigity
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:15:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Saving Face
Originally by: Kale Anderson
i still have no idea why they couldn't keep the old station view.


Obviously they need to force people to use CQ so they can see the clothes they are supposed to buy.


There are not words to describe the loss of the old hangar to be replaced with space barbie

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:20:00 - [114]
 

Such idiots. Who frames it as 'Peace Talks'? This is CCP on trial. The sentencing phase.

Even 'Cripple Fight' makes more sense than 'Peace Talks'.

Theocrates
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:21:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Azztoroid
If we block the trade hubs again for lets say more than a week, CCP needs to take direct action....Right now they have the entire world looking werry interestet uto how they will deal with this.

If just 50% of the numbers we had at the first round shows up, we would be able to criple the game to a point where prolonged actions needs to be countered.

I realy dont think CCP can afford more bad publicity, they need this situation solved, and the only way is to compremise, thats why we have the CSM there, thats why i support the CSM.

Let them eat, let the CSM spend abit time alone, they have been sitting to meetings the entire day, its first now they might get a chanse to speak amongs them selfs with out anyone from CCP are at there side......thats why we wait, thats why there is a deadline, to give the CSM time, to make sure THEY are unitet....

Azz


It's a PvP game, knock yourselves out. Blow up all of Jita everyday till your subs run out. Eventually you will all be gone. Resub to continue and the players will just adapt and trade elsewhere. Who knows this might help bring a few more traders into the game with a rise in prices. THe only ones that hurts are your fellow PvP'ers. Meh, I'm sure they'll be overjoyed to take one for the team.

Elrica bloodbane
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:26:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Tetragammatron Prime
Sometimes it seems we would get better results from send some monkeys over there on a plane and they can just finger their butholes and jack off on the table.


I THOUGHT WE HAD

Nullity
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:27:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Elrica bloodbane
Originally by: Tetragammatron Prime
Sometimes it seems we would get better results from send some monkeys over there on a plane and they can just finger their butholes and jack off on the table.


I THOUGHT WE HAD

That made me laugh in real life. Nice one.

Gryvern Otomeya
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:27:00 - [118]
 

I would say that if there ever was a time to "go into incredibly great detail", then this would be it.
It's starting to sound like a prelude to another cop-out.

Dimension Secretary
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:29:00 - [119]
 

No spinning ships ever again??

I think Incarna is for them to just show rest of industry how cool they are. Is like you buy a porsche not because you can drive it really, because you have arthritis and a speed limit, but to show that you have the biggest *male member* of all (at least makes you think that :P). How can the players dare then to switch back to such an uncool view :P

Clavian Voi
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:34:00 - [120]
 

Ah, another round of "Everything-is-just-fine-it-was-all-a-big-misunderstanding." Just what we all expected from the Council of Stellar Worthlessness.

Now off to the pub to share drinks with the devs and some hot and spicy bromance. CSM, you are so rubbish.


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