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Palovana
Caldari
Inner Fire Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:05:00 - [31]
 

The one easy action they could take that would not only prevent the meltdown of video cards and satisfy a number of player requests (bringing back the old hangar view), is the one they refuse to do.

Typical, CCP.

I don't give a damn about the in-game bling. Forcing me to use the CQ will not make me buy any of that crap.

Independence Day = 5th of July.

Boaz Hedion Merkava
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:09:00 - [32]
 

Well, I can't blame the CSM, I really think they did their best. They'll continue tomorrow. Let's hope that their best ideas for tomorrow's approach will come when they are alone in their hotelroom. That's what usually happens.

But yeah, looking at that f'ing static door image is really annoying and CQ is not an option for more than 1 account.

(Having fun yet, Epeen? Smile)

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:09:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Alrione
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava

UPDATE
Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back. Trebor_CSM tweeted about that, I was about to copy that tweet but apparently he removed it (!!) I am not making this up.


Time to get those pitchforks back out.


Yeah, it's a make or break issue for me unless there is a really huge technical issue with it.

It would be a statement that we're not being shown the door and

--- that if their new content isn't good enough to lure players by its goodness it's not good enough

--- inconveniencing players for the point of inconvenience to steer them towards possible MTs is a fundamental failure and really, the point why this all might be hopeless...

Mervent
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:12:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Mervent on 30/06/2011 19:12:32
I thought it would be a good time to break out this article again.

The CSM: A well thought out scam by CCP


Kellaen
Samurai Salvaging
Stellar Defense Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:12:00 - [35]
 

The reason that CQ will never be optional in the sense most of us want has already been stated. If you're not forced to look at spacebarbies with stupid hats and $1000 pants, then you have no motivation to partake in the activity and send them money yourself.

Looks like it's going to be another :riot: weekend, given the question anyone cares about is being held off for tomorrow, Friday, which is the best time to say things people don't want to hear.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:13:00 - [36]
 


To all those lolhopefulls that expect the CQ to be dropped for their old hanger. Think again.

Incarna is the underpinnings of their Microtransaction strategy, if they make it optional, they would be giving the option to not have MT's in their face.

MT's are here to stay, as a revenue boost (and probably a big driver in features as we have seen) for CCP (notice I didn't say Eve).

Optional Incarna is NOT going to happen.

As for the overheating, they can reduce the details in renderings, they can also debug the game render loop, perhaps it is doing something too frequent or something extra it shouldn't. That is why they asked for the dxconfig dumps so they can try to reproduce the issues. it could be the pipelines on some chips that they havn't accounted for or something in their shader code.

But Incarna is NOT going to be OPTIONAL EVER.

NEX is the main driver for Eve now.

Mater Dolorosa
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:14:00 - [37]
 

I like your style : it reminds me of the 2 CCP Zulu last brilliant dev blogs...

Dr Lebroi
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:14:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Nidda Schottajack
I'm starting to think I'm the only person who doesn't give a damn what they charge for vanity virtual goods. To me, even discussing (much less getting passionate over) the pricing of them was a waste of time. CCP can charge whatever they like for their monacles and pants as long as they keep it from being game impacting.

Really shocked to hear that we are stuck with CQ.




My exact stance - bravo that man.

T'Laar Bok
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:16:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back.


Thats enough for me. No interest whatsoever in WIS or being forced to load the environment, I'm a spaceship not a ken doll. The last 7 years has been great fun and I'll miss a lot of people but the game is going where I do not wish to go. The last of my 8 accounts expires in 4 days.

bye.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:18:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: T'Laar Bok
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back.


Thats enough for me. No interest whatsoever in WIS or being forced to load the environment, I'm a spaceship not a ken doll. The last 7 years has been great fun and I'll miss a lot of people but the game is going where I do not wish to go. The last of my 8 accounts expires in 4 days.

bye.



You're thick to think that it would be optional in the firstplace.

Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:18:00 - [41]
 

It's worth taking into account here that Trebor's blog was written in the context of his recent tweets - i.e that no specific details would come out until the meetings were complete.

That's why its short on detail and a broad overview only.

C.


Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:19:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Diomedes Calypso on 30/06/2011 19:35:58
Originally by: Dr Lebroi
Originally by: Nidda Schottajack
I'm starting to think I'm the only person who doesn't give a damn what they charge for vanity virtual goods. To me, even discussing (much less getting passionate over) the pricing of them was a waste of time. CCP can charge whatever they like for their monacles and pants as long as they keep it from being game impacting.

Really shocked to hear that we are stuck with CQ.






My exact stance - bravo that man.


I agree, .... not against the idea of optional mt's but that decisions are being made around them.

even with the non vanity items, if another form of boost on top of implants etc would have made sense to them to have in lp stores or seeded stations for isk(like books) then the idea might stand on its own .... but when the motiviation to introduce that sort of thing is extra $ the choices of what is and isn't good for the game are going to be different

edith prickley
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:20:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava

Suggestion of the day: adding a "Just Say NO to Virtual Goods" t-shirt to the Noble Exchange, priced higher than a monocle. Is CCP fearless enough to do it?



So in Hilmar's terms, does buying one of these count as "saying" or "doing"? Argh, my brain hurts. Monocle overlords, please educate me.

Nullity
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:20:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Mixne
Originally by: Nullity
Why is it going to take an entire day to say "No, we'd be crazy to add non-vanity MTs."?


It takes a long time to say that while explaining how SP and BPCs of "platinum (not gold) items" will soon be available in the NEX.

Correct.

Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:22:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: edith prickley
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava

Suggestion of the day: adding a "Just Say NO to Virtual Goods" t-shirt to the Noble Exchange, priced higher than a monocle. Is CCP fearless enough to do it?



So in Hilmar's terms, does buying one of these count as "saying" or "doing"? Argh, my brain hurts. Monocle overlords, please educate me.


Both, little peasant girl, both...

Hohepa Marstolt
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:22:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Alrione
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava

UPDATE
Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back. Trebor_CSM tweeted about that, I was about to copy that tweet but apparently he removed it (!!) I am not making this up.


Time to get those pitchforks back out.

Ramma Lamma DingDong
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:23:00 - [47]
 

Lol @ peace talks.

Calling them peace talks implies that both sides want a peaceful resolution.

One doesn't need to spend very much time on these forums to realize that is an impossibility.

CCP wants to make their game more accessible and the rabble want to keep their comfy status quo.

Somebody is going to be disappointed. Can you guess who?

Ranita Drell
Intaki Liberation Front
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:23:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Ranita Drell on 30/06/2011 19:24:19
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back. Trebor_CSM tweeted about that, I was about to copy that tweet but apparently he removed it (!!) I am not making this up.

I was expecting CCP to concede at least this much, but apparently not.

This is CCP saying "We are willing to sacrifice immersion, usability and client performance to improve virtual goods sales. We could integrate the old and the new in a way that all players would appreciate, but we can probably squeeze more money out of them this way, so this is the way we've chosen."

CCP is clearly prioritizing virtual goods sales over improving or maintaining the quality of game experience for paying subscribers.

I hope the CSM really hammered this point home and voiced their displeasure with CCP's decision on this issue. CSM should regard this as CCP's strike two. (Strike 1 occurred before the Summit, with the Incarna launch itself, Fearless and their inadequate dev blogs.) It looks to me like CSM has rolled over on one of the two major issues the players have, and I don't understand why the most important issue was scheduled for Day 2.

I'll hold out final judgment until the summit is over and we can hear on the results directly from CCP and CSM themselves, but so far it's not looking good at all.

Benri Konpaku
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:24:00 - [49]
 

Day 1 : No optional CQ, more forced Incarna and the NEX store is here to stay.

Yeah, nice waste of time. Didn't expect much anyway, so I'm still in the process of running out of time, then it's bye bye EVE.

Let's see how Day 2 turns into an excuse fest for having overpowered ammo, ships and others available for Aurum only. Can't wait. Rolling Eyes

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:24:00 - [50]
 

You can't beta-test Twilight Online while you are ship spinning.

Tatiana Valenko
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:25:00 - [51]
 

Just sounds like the usual smoke and mirrors CCP put up as their defence for any critic.

CSM: Listen! We have several major concerns regard...
CCP: Look at these new CQs from other races!
CSM: Ooooohhhh..wait what were we talking about again?!..i dunno...

Portmanteau
Gallente
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:26:00 - [52]
 

"Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back."

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


Palovana
Caldari
Inner Fire Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:26:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Miilla

You're thick to think that it would be optional in the firstplace.


So I guess that makes us ALL thick for believing anything CCP has stated in the past, such as "no MT in EVE" and "fixes" coming Soon (tm).

All of which have been stated by CCP in the past (cba to search/link right now).


Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:28:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Palovana
Originally by: Miilla

You're thick to think that it would be optional in the firstplace.


So I guess that makes us ALL thick for believing anything CCP has stated in the past, such as "no MT in EVE" and "fixes" coming Soon (tm).

All of which have been stated by CCP in the past (cba to search/link right now).





Pretty much, Yes. Throughout all the releases, and all the PR, emails, newsletters, blogs not to mention all the people that said this was comming before it did. It has been VERY CLEARLY COMMUNICATED.

raker
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:28:00 - [55]
 



That's only Day one, The Csm has said that the main issue is being talked tommorow

So, lets keep the pitchforks at bay until the talks are over

I think CCP do realise that alot of chars are waiting to see the outcome of this meeting

verde shrimp
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:29:00 - [56]
 

Before this emergency CSM summit is over it would behoove CCP to strongly consider adding an option to board your ship in the hanger or default to ship spinning and have an exit to captain's quarters button.

Being forced into captain's quarters when docked is a very bad change and other than a number of new bugs introduced, the worst thing about incarna.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:31:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: verde shrimp
Before this emergency CSM summit is over it would behoove CCP to strongly consider adding an option to board your ship in the hanger or default to ship spinning and have an exit to captain's quarters button.

Being forced into captain's quarters when docked is a very bad change and other than a number of new bugs introduced, the worst thing about incarna.



Yet more clueless wonders keep posting the same drivel about "optional" Incarna.

Mithrasith
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:32:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Mithrasith on 30/06/2011 19:32:34
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: T'Laar Bok
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back.


Thats enough for me. No interest whatsoever in WIS or being forced to load the environment, I'm a spaceship not a ken doll. The last 7 years has been great fun and I'll miss a lot of people but the game is going where I do not wish to go. The last of my 8 accounts expires in 4 days.

bye.



You're thick to think that it would be optional in the firstplace.



while I agree Miilla that to many of us its obvious the direction this has taken (forced CQ in order to produce MT) I think its also safe to say that the way Incarna was presented for the first few years was certainly that it was optional. So no, I dont agree with you that people are "thick" if they didnt conclude based on the past couple of week of events that CQ would be mandatory.

I do believe however that many of the players havent fully grasped yet that this is the first time that CCP has openly displayed such a disgregard (and even disrespect)for the player base, and if successful, will only increase

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:32:00 - [59]
 

I'm looking forward to read the full minutes.

Terrante
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:33:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Terrante on 30/06/2011 19:35:47
Originally by: Portmanteau
"Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back."





Who knows:
Quote:
@TheMittani The Mittani
@MaxSingularity We did discuss ship spinning with CCP and what I heard pleased me. One of the bright spots. Can't say details. vOv



EDIT: Source: http://twitter.com/#!/themittani



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