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Boaz Hedion Merkava
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:36:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 23:58:10
Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 19:39:54
Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 18:50:19

Source:
http://treborofthecsm.blogspot.com/2011/06/peace-talks-day-one.html

The Peace Talks - Day One
The first day of the great Incarna Peace Talks is over. I will not attempt to go into incredibly great detail in this posting; I just want to give a broad overview and offer some impressions. To be honest, I'm exhausted and only have a few minutes before dinner.

I want to start by saying that everyone at CCP, and in particular CCP Zulu, was very open and frank about their opinions, and provided any information CSM requested. This was very useful.

In the morning, we discussed issues regarding the rollout of Incarna and the Captain's Quarters. Just about everything people have been *****ing about and then some was discussed in detail -- melting video cards, multiboxing, lighting, the death of ship spinning, just to name a few.

CCP started this meeting by saying something incredibly smart. It gave me hope that the entire summit would be a success, but you will have to wait to find out what it was. Suffer, *****es.

Then, after lunch, we spent over 3 hours discussing the Noble Exchange rollout and virtual goods pricing. This was a very passionate session, to say the least.

CSM got a complete rundown on the overall CCP vanity goods strategy, and it became obvious how a series of mistakes and communications breakdowns -- both internal at CCP, to CSM, and in their messaging to you (and lack thereof) -- resulted in the NEX rollout debacle.

There should be a devblog coming out in the very near future that explains CCP's strategy, puts things into context, and hopefully starts healing this self-inflicted wound. Anyone can shoot themselves in the foot, or the ass, but in this case CCP managed to do both with one shot, which takes real skill.

The day ended with some work-in-progress demos of the other CQs and an establishment. Some nice work, and the Gallente CQ is the best CQ IMHO.

Tomorrow, we will tackle the big question: Does CCP have plans to release game-affecting virtual goods (aka "gold ammo")?

Suggestion of the day: adding a "Just Say NO to Virtual Goods" t-shirt to the Noble Exchange, priced higher than a monocle. Is CCP fearless enough to do it?

End of quote.

UPDATE
Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back. Trebor_CSM tweeted about that, I was about to copy that tweet but apparently he removed it (!!) I am not making this up.

UPDATE 2
Hmm, mixed signals. TheMittani also was at the meeting. His tweet says (source):
Quote:
@MaxSingularity We did discuss ship spinning with CCP and what I heard pleased me. One of the bright spots. Can't say details. vOv


UPDATE 3
CSM veteran Meissa Anunthiel posted a comment on page 8 post 216 including a reference to her blogpost.

Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:40:00 - [2]
 

TL;DR

CCP: It was all just a breakdown of communication: here's a dev blog for the plebs
Trebor: Suffer, *****es.

Summary: Yawn.

I honestly don't see a point to the CSM. Way I understood it, it was about feeding info to CCP re: game changes so they could get **** done for us in expansions. Which always seemed to be carping on about obvious **** they never had any interest in addressing because - as we later found out - polished content etc etc etc.

Since then, what's the point? Are the CSM just cheaper than hiring a PR firm? Guess they are.

Kunming
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:43:00 - [3]
 

Ship spinning Crying or Very sad

Nullity
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:43:00 - [4]
 

Why is it going to take an entire day to say "No, we'd be crazy to add non-vanity MTs."?

Khamal Jolstien
Caldari
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:45:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 18:40:25

Source:
http://treborofthecsm.blogspot.com/2011/06/peace-talks-day-one.html

The Peace Talks - Day One
The first day of the great Incarna Peace Talks is over. I will not attempt to go into incredibly great detail in this posting; I just want to give a broad overview and offer some impressions. To be honest, I'm exhausted and only have a few minutes before dinner.

I want to start by saying that everyone at CCP, and in particular CCP Zulu, was very open and frank about their opinions, and provided any information CSM requested. This was very useful.

In the morning, we discussed issues regarding the rollout of Incarna and the Captain's Quarters. Just about everything people have been *****ing about and then some was discussed in detail -- melting video cards, multiboxing, lighting, the death of ship spinning, just to name a few.

CCP started this meeting by saying something incredibly smart. It gave me hope that the entire summit would be a success, but you will have to wait to find out what it was. Suffer, *****es.

Then, after lunch, we spent over 3 hours discussing the Noble Exchange rollout and virtual goods pricing. This was a very passionate session, to say the least.

CSM got a complete rundown on the overall CCP vanity goods strategy, and it became obvious how a series of mistakes and communications breakdowns -- both internal at CCP, to CSM, and in their messaging to you (and lack thereof) -- resulted in the NEX rollout debacle.

There should be a devblog coming out in the very near future that explains CCP's strategy, puts things into context, and hopefully starts healing this self-inflicted wound. Anyone can shoot themselves in the foot, or the ass, but in this case CCP managed to do both with one shot, which takes real skill.

The day ended with some work-in-progress demos of the other CQs and an establishment. Some nice work, and the Gallente CQ is the best CQ IMHO.

Tomorrow, we will tackle the big question: Does CCP have plans to release game-affecting virtual goods (aka "gold ammo")?

Suggestion of the day: adding a "Just Say NO to Virtual Goods" t-shirt to the Noble Exchange, priced higher than a monocle. Is CCP fearless enough to do it?

End of quote.

UPDATE
Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back. Trebor_CSM tweeted about that, I was about to copy that tweet but apparently he removed it (!!) I am not making this up.


Waste of time then. Nice

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:46:00 - [6]
 


I suspect I will find much amusement as more posts are added to this thread and will follow it with great interest.

Alrione
Black Lagoon Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:48:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava

UPDATE
Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back. Trebor_CSM tweeted about that, I was about to copy that tweet but apparently he removed it (!!) I am not making this up.


Time to get those pitchforks back out.

Doc Fury
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:49:00 - [8]
 

As long as you guys all keep calling it "gold ammo" CCP can weasel-word that to mean whatever they want.

Be precise, very precise.

Originally by: MadOverlord
Suffer, *****es.


I LOLd


Jake Macleod
Caldari
Loyal Order Of Bacchus
Celestial Tribesmen
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:50:00 - [9]
 

Thanks for the update! It sounds like the talks went well, and you have made some progress.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:50:00 - [10]
 

LOL, and people wonder why Hilmar doesn't pay close attention to what is said on the forums anymore.

Azztoroid
Shipwreck cove
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:53:00 - [11]
 

Anyone can shoot themselves in the foot, or the ass, but in this case CCP managed to do both with one shot, which takes real skill.


This one is pure gold........Laughing


Maken Cheese
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:54:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
UPDATE
Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back. Trebor_CSM tweeted about that, I was about to copy that tweet but apparently he removed it (!!) I am not making this up.


For the love of god, WHY. What the hell is the problem with letting us choose between the old hangar or CQ? This doesn't make any sense, at all.

I really would like an answer from CCP as to why they refuse to include the old hangar.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:56:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Maken Cheese
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
UPDATE
Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back. Trebor_CSM tweeted about that, I was about to copy that tweet but apparently he removed it (!!) I am not making this up.


For the love of god, WHY. What the hell is the problem with letting us choose between the old hangar or CQ? This doesn't make any sense, at all.

I really would like an answer from CCP as to why they refuse to include the old hangar.



If you can't figure out the answer, there is no help for you.

HINT: Not having Incarna WiS / CQ affects their NEX sales drive.

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:56:00 - [14]
 

Wow, we gave you guys THAT much leverage and THIS is the best you can do? Pathetic.

Scortched Merc
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:57:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava

Anyone can shoot themselves in the foot, or the ass, but in this case CCP managed to do both with one shot, which takes real skill.


That has to be the quote of the year!

Nidda Schottajack
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:58:00 - [16]
 

I'm starting to think I'm the only person who doesn't give a damn what they charge for vanity virtual goods. To me, even discussing (much less getting passionate over) the pricing of them was a waste of time. CCP can charge whatever they like for their monacles and pants as long as they keep it from being game impacting.

Really shocked to hear that we are stuck with CQ.


Zakua Corbin
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:58:00 - [17]
 

Not having a dock to hangar option is lame, I like CQ but I like hangar to. Just ruins the sense of urgency when u have to dock up from combat to grab some cap boosters and there's your lil toon, no goo, clean clothes, out of pod, then u hop right back into space....

ATLEAST give us a jog dial on the hologram inerface of our ship so we can spin the ship around from the balcony...

I'll live =) but I would love the option.

Oh and tell them to get ship paints on the NEX ASAP, I got lots of ships and money to spend...

Sorry, typos, in a hurry XOXOXO hahaaa

Sarmatiko
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:58:00 - [18]
 

Quote:
Suggestion of the day: adding a "Just Say NO to Virtual Goods" t-shirt to the Noble Exchange, priced higher than a monocle.

Will buy this just to mock raging idiots Razz

SilentSkills
Gallente
Tax Evaders Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:59:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Alrione
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava

UPDATE
Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back. Trebor_CSM tweeted about that, I was about to copy that tweet but apparently he removed it (!!) I am not making this up.


Time to get those pitchforks back out.

OHU812
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:59:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: OHU812 on 30/06/2011 19:00:26


Because they know that most people who aren't interested ever using the CQ will most likely never buy the barbie doll items.

Thus effectively showing those people the door in which allows you to exit game. YOU WILL BUY MY BARBIE DOLL ITEMS and P2W bling bling or GET OUT! /just saying.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:59:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Zakua Corbin
Not having a dock to hangar option is lame, I like CQ but I like hangar to. Just ruins the sense of urgency when u have to dock up from combat to grab some cap boosters and there's your lil toon, no goo, clean clothes, out of pod, then u hop right back into space....

ATLEAST give us a jog dial on the hologram inerface of our ship so we can spin the ship around from the balcony...

I'll live =) but I would love the option.

Oh and tell them to get ship paints on the NEX ASAP, I got lots of ships and money to spend...

Sorry, typos, in a hurry XOXOXO hahaaa



Yeah, we want Ship pants on the NEX ASAP.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:00:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Cipher Jones on 30/06/2011 19:00:46
"Suffer *****es" was as far as i could read.

CCP, your CSM system is a ****ing joke. You invented it because you got caught cheating, and then when you got caught defrauding your customers you use them (CSM's) as a shield.

I have to say it reminds me very much of operation human shield in the Southpark movie.

Bravo CCP, you totally ****ing embody the stereotype of "evil corporation". I don't even hold as much contempt for Intel as I hold for you.


Mithrasith
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:00:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Mithrasith on 30/06/2011 19:01:00
Originally by: Boaz
Hedion MerkavaI want to start by saying that everyone at CCP, and in particular CCP Zulu, was very open and frank about their opinions, and provided any information CSM requested. This was very useful.


CCP started this meeting by saying something incredibly smart. It gave me hope that the entire summit would be a success, but you will have to wait to find out what it was. Suffer, *****es.

Then, after lunch, we spent over 3 hours discussing the Noble Exchange rollout and virtual goods pricing. This was a very passionate session, to say the least.

CSM got a complete rundown on the overall CCP vanity goods strategy, and it became obvious how a series of mistakes and communications breakdowns -- both internal at CCP, to CSM, and in their messaging to you (and lack thereof) -- resulted in the NEX rollout debacle.

There should be a devblog coming out in the very near future that explains CCP's strategy, puts things into context, and hopefully starts healing this self-inflicted wound. Anyone can shoot themselves in the foot, or the ass, but in this case CCP managed to do both with one shot, which takes real skill.The day ended with some work-in-progress demos of the other CQs and an establishment. Some nice work, and the Gallente CQ is the best CQ IMHO.

Tomorrow, we will tackle the big question: Does CCP have plans to release game-affecting virtual goods (aka "gold ammo")?

Suggestion of the day: adding a "Just Say NO to Virtual Goods" t-shirt to the Noble Exchange, priced higher than a monocle. Is CCP fearless enough to do it?

End of quote.

UPDATE
Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back. Trebor_CSM tweeted about that, I was about to copy that tweet but apparently he removed it (!!) I am not making this up.





And the spin control begins.

It seems to me there is more than enough spinning going on with CCP over this issue to more than make up for the changes to the hanger.

Mixne
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:03:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Nullity
Why is it going to take an entire day to say "No, we'd be crazy to add non-vanity MTs."?


It takes a long time to say that while explaining how SP and BPCs of "platinum (not gold) items" will soon be available in the NEX.

Havegun Willtravel
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:04:00 - [25]
 

CCP doesn't have to put ship spinning back in EVE.

But, the multitude of multi boxers who play EVE for trade or industry and don't undock often dont have to renew their acct's do they. Atm there seems to be a consensus that running multiple clients with cq is very difficult and looking at the door is annoying after even a short time.

GL with that.

Pure Tabasco
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:04:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Zakua Corbin
Not having a dock to hangar option is lame, I like CQ but I like hangar to. Just ruins the sense of urgency when u have to dock up from combat to grab some cap boosters and there's your lil toon, no goo, clean clothes, out of pod, then u hop right back into space....



It should have been CQ entirely optional. I am still crossing fingers and hoping the old hangar view its coming back so the damm fck picture of the door gtfo.

Henry Haphorn
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:05:00 - [27]
 

Wow, all the people who criticize the CSM so much is starting to remind me of the new political ads that came out this month (a year and a half ahead of the 2012 US presidential election). Candidate A is evil because he/she raises taxes, Candidate B is out of touch because he/she is conservative, Candidate C is ignored because he is either a Mormon or not conservative enough, and Candidate D is completely forgotten because he/she is an independent.

Anything can be construed by the masses as nothing more than a PR stunt no matter upfront CCP decides to be with the CSM. That being said, at least be thankful that we players even have a representative voice that is directly elected by capsuleers.

Zarnak Wulf
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:05:00 - [28]
 

Still watching. MTs aside, the other big issue was a lack of resources devoted to Eve itself. It's a golden goose for dust and WoD. If anyone from CSM is reading these threads some answers on this point would be great.

Kimchii Suntzu
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:05:00 - [29]
 

<-----Has a crush on Mr E.
Originally by: Mr Epeen

I suspect I will find much amusement as more posts are added to this thread and will follow it with great interest.


Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:05:00 - [30]
 

Yet another update with zero relevant content, and zero questions answered.


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